Re: CS>Lypomas

[Sharon]

Thanks- I am going to look for one. I didn't find one yesterday. 
Anything to extend Bo's life and make him more comfy- he's the 
world's best dog!!

Sharon


On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:34:24 -0800, Sharon  wrote:


Yeah- thanks Chuch, I will try it and report back. Do you all think
the area to be treated needs to be shaved first or does it matter?
Sharon


You should be able to get down to the skin without shaving. It's a fat pencil
looking device.
Chuck

"The earth is not round: I've been everywhere
 and everywhere the earth is quite flat."


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Re: CS>Lypomas

[Robert Berger]

Sharon and Chuck,

About three years ago Brooks Bradley described an IR laser for deep treating 
thing
inside of the body. The IR laser's beam is invisible and the unit can be
fabricated into  a two cell flashlight.

"Ole Bob"





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Re: CS>Lypomas Chuck - Laser

[CKing001]

On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:24:31 -0500, Denise Every  wrote:

><>
>
>I'm thinking you probably saw some changes fairly soon after you started
>using it, which would have been incentive to keep on doing it until it was
>gone?  How soon after you started did you see the first sign it was doing
>something?  Did you end up with any surface changes of the skin (like
>mottling, loss of pigment)?

I would do a session when I thought of it, watching TV, getting ready for bed,
etc.
Seems it was a couple of weeks before it felt as if the texture was changing
(drying up). Couldn't really see because of location. I don't remember how long
it took. I didn't really think anything was going to happen, but was extremely
pleased when it did. These are really low power devices, but you can see them
penetrate a finger tip so I figured there was a chance.

Chuck
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Re: CS>Lypomas Chuck - Laser

[Denise Every]

<>

Of course not, wouldn't expect to and wouldn't want to.  I'm always
interested in new information, new ideas, new paradigms, new ways to
do-it-myself.

<>

I knew that  :)

<>

I'm thinking you probably saw some changes fairly soon after you started
using it, which would have been incentive to keep on doing it until it was
gone?  How soon after you started did you see the first sign it was doing
something?  Did you end up with any surface changes of the skin (like
mottling, loss of pigment)?

<>

Wow guess I'd better not quit my day job yet and sign up for
1-800-DIAL-ESP  ..lol



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Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Lypomas Chuck - Laser


> Commentary interspersed...
> On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:33:55 -0500, Denise Every 
wrote:
>
> >Chuck,
> >
> >< >Red laser keychain pointers are dollar store items.>>
> >
> >I've been in the medical field for (ack!) nearly 30 years and just when
you
> >think you've heard it all, well, guess not!  :)
>
> You better not EVER think you heard it all.
> Especially in the medical field.
>
> I've come across so many interesting new things in the last couple of
years, I
> get mind boggled.
>
> >  I write not to castigate,
> >but rather express admiration of your ingenuity and audacity (I was
actually
> >thinking of a slang term for a part of the male anatomy, but didn't want
to
> >insult anyone).
>
> Oh, balls, I don't mind insulting.
> >
> >I've never heard of anyone tinkering with do-it-yourself laser therapy
(kind
> >of reminds me about the guy who did oral surgery and teeth replacement on
> >himself with his Dremel and white rocks he found in his driveway)
>
> I remember watching my Dad, in our kitchen, pull one of his own teeth with
a
> pair of mechanics pliers.
> >but,
> >all kidding aside... I'm curious as to what gave you the idea to
experiment
> >with a laser pen... did you do any research prior to find out what type
of
> >laser is used for the pens, and what sort of precautions you might take
> >before using it, and what performance you might expect from it (along the
> >lines of how far the laser might penetrate below the skin surface).
>
> Not my original idea, I'm on a lot of interesting lists.
>
> Actually, color and penetration are the key elements. You can pay big bux
to get
> precise wavelengths of light for max effectiveness and high power for deep
> penetration, but I have no desire to "go into business".
>
> The doc during an annual physical noted this growth and told me to keep an
eye
> on it. Kept walking into doors 'till she said "Not ALL the time!"
> Well, it was still there after a couple of months, so I figured I better
start
> trying things. The laser thing was low power and red, so it was worth a
shot!
> Son of a gun, it killed it!
> Took a couple of months to disappear.
>
> >Talk about Yankee ingenuity (but then you're probably not a Yankee,
eh?? )
> >:)
> As a matter of fact, I am.
>
> Chuck
>
> If we weren't meant to eat animals why are they made of meat?
>
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Re: CS>Lypomas Chuck - Laser

[CKing001]

Commentary interspersed...
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:33:55 -0500, Denise Every  wrote:

>Chuck,
>
>>
>
>I've been in the medical field for (ack!) nearly 30 years and just when you
>think you've heard it all, well, guess not!  :) 

You better not EVER think you heard it all.
Especially in the medical field.

I've come across so many interesting new things in the last couple of years, I
get mind boggled.

>  I write not to castigate,
>but rather express admiration of your ingenuity and audacity (I was actually
>thinking of a slang term for a part of the male anatomy, but didn't want to
>insult anyone).

Oh, balls, I don't mind insulting.
>
>I've never heard of anyone tinkering with do-it-yourself laser therapy (kind
>of reminds me about the guy who did oral surgery and teeth replacement on
>himself with his Dremel and white rocks he found in his driveway)

I remember watching my Dad, in our kitchen, pull one of his own teeth with a
pair of mechanics pliers.
>but,
>all kidding aside... I'm curious as to what gave you the idea to experiment
>with a laser pen... did you do any research prior to find out what type of
>laser is used for the pens, and what sort of precautions you might take
>before using it, and what performance you might expect from it (along the
>lines of how far the laser might penetrate below the skin surface).

Not my original idea, I'm on a lot of interesting lists.

Actually, color and penetration are the key elements. You can pay big bux to get
precise wavelengths of light for max effectiveness and high power for deep
penetration, but I have no desire to "go into business".

The doc during an annual physical noted this growth and told me to keep an eye
on it. Kept walking into doors 'till she said "Not ALL the time!"
Well, it was still there after a couple of months, so I figured I better start
trying things. The laser thing was low power and red, so it was worth a shot!
Son of a gun, it killed it!
Took a couple of months to disappear.

>Talk about Yankee ingenuity (but then you're probably not a Yankee, eh?? )
>:)
As a matter of fact, I am.

Chuck

If we weren't meant to eat animals why are they made of meat?


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Re: CS>Lypomas Chuck - Laser

[Denise Every]

Chuck,

<>

I've been in the medical field for (ack!) nearly 30 years and just when you
think you've heard it all, well, guess not!  :)I write not to castigate,
but rather express admiration of your ingenuity and audacity (I was actually
thinking of a slang term for a part of the male anatomy, but didn't want to
insult anyone).

I've never heard of anyone tinkering with do-it-yourself laser therapy (kind
of reminds me about the guy who did oral surgery and teeth replacement on
himself with his Dremel and white rocks he found in his driveway)but,
all kidding aside... I'm curious as to what gave you the idea to experiment
with a laser pen... did you do any research prior to find out what type of
laser is used for the pens, and what sort of precautions you might take
before using it, and what performance you might expect from it (along the
lines of how far the laser might penetrate below the skin surface).

Talk about Yankee ingenuity (but then you're probably not a Yankee, eh?? )
:)

Denise Every   deni...@citlink.net

Equuilibrium Studio - Horse & Animal Art -
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From: 
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Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Lypomas


> On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:07:17 -0600, Dan Nave

> wrote:
>
> >Does anyone know how to get rid of (non-cancerous) lypomas
> >or fatty tumors that appear under the skin?
>
> You can experiment with laser therapy easy enough.
> Red laser keychain pointers are dollar store items.
> Put the point on the site and pulse it for however long you're willing to
per
> session.
> I got rid of one that had been on my shoulder for almost 2 years.
>
> Chuck
>
> You can lead a horse to water, but if you can get him to swim on his back,
> you've got something
>
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Re: CS>Lypomas

[CKing001]

On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:34:24 -0800, Sharon  wrote:

>Yeah- thanks Chuch, I will try it and report back. Do you all think 
>the area to be treated needs to be shaved first or does it matter?
>Sharon

You should be able to get down to the skin without shaving. It's a fat pencil
looking device.
Chuck

"The earth is not round: I've been everywhere
 and everywhere the earth is quite flat."


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Re: CS>Lypomas

[Sharon]

Yeah- thanks Chuch, I will try it and report back. Do you all think 
the area to be treated needs to be shaved first or does it matter?

Sharon


Ditto on Chuck's idea.never woulda thunk
it!!   Kit


At 01:32 PM 3/17/03 -0600, you wrote:

Cool ideas Kit & Chuck!  I haven't had a dog with one in so long I figured
there should be some "new" way to get rid of them!

Nancy Estes
dog...@apex2000.net



 On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:07:17 -0600, Dan Nave



 wrote:

 >Does anyone know how to get rid of (non-cancerous) lypomas
 >or fatty tumors that appear under the skin?

 You can experiment with laser therapy easy enough.
 Red laser keychain pointers are dollar store items.
 Put the point on the site and pulse it for however long you're willing to

per

 session.
 I got rid of one that had been on my shoulder for almost 2 years.

 Chuck






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Re: CS>Lypomas

[Kit]

Ditto on Chuck's idea.never woulda thunk 
it!!   Kit 


At 01:32 PM 3/17/03 -0600, you wrote:
>Cool ideas Kit & Chuck!  I haven't had a dog with one in so long I figured
>there should be some "new" way to get rid of them!
>
>Nancy Estes
>dog...@apex2000.net
>
>
>> On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:07:17 -0600, Dan Nave
>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Does anyone know how to get rid of (non-cancerous) lypomas
>> >or fatty tumors that appear under the skin?
>>
>> You can experiment with laser therapy easy enough.
>> Red laser keychain pointers are dollar store items.
>> Put the point on the site and pulse it for however long you're willing to
>per
>> session.
>> I got rid of one that had been on my shoulder for almost 2 years.
>>
>> Chuck
>



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Re: CS>Lypomas

[Nancy Estes]

Cool ideas Kit & Chuck!  I haven't had a dog with one in so long I figured
there should be some "new" way to get rid of them!

Nancy Estes
dog...@apex2000.net


> On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:07:17 -0600, Dan Nave

> wrote:
>
> >Does anyone know how to get rid of (non-cancerous) lypomas
> >or fatty tumors that appear under the skin?
>
> You can experiment with laser therapy easy enough.
> Red laser keychain pointers are dollar store items.
> Put the point on the site and pulse it for however long you're willing to
per
> session.
> I got rid of one that had been on my shoulder for almost 2 years.
>
> Chuck


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Re: CS>Lypomas

[CKing001]

On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:07:17 -0600, Dan Nave 
wrote:

>Does anyone know how to get rid of (non-cancerous) lypomas 
>or fatty tumors that appear under the skin?

You can experiment with laser therapy easy enough.
Red laser keychain pointers are dollar store items.
Put the point on the site and pulse it for however long you're willing to per
session.
I got rid of one that had been on my shoulder for almost 2 years.

Chuck

You can lead a horse to water, but if you can get him to swim on his back,
you've got something


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Re: CS>Lypomas

[Kit]

If you have a vet who practices TCM...it may help
In Chinese Med. tumours are caused by "stagnation"
so they treat them, thusly.Kithi Nancy!



At 01:05 PM 3/17/03 -0600, you wrote: 
>
> They're like any tumor in that they're cells gone mad, so to speak - but
they
> are fat cells and "harmless".  But, like with your and my dogs, they can
> cause problems due to location.  Once they're attached they're difficult to
> impossible to surgically remove.  I don't know if anybody's ever tried any
> sort of tumor-shrinking procedure on them or not.  My dog lived to be 15 so
> the tumor didn't "harm" him but it was in a bad location, all down the side
> of his rib cage, so he couldn't sleep on that side.
>  
> Nancy Estes
> dog...@apex2000.net
>  
>>
>> Why what was the outcome? I have a dog with one on his spine, and it is
>> growing very slowly. The vet told me to wait and see two years ago, and
that
>> it would not be removable because of the location. I would love to find a
>> way to get rid of it. I wonder if anyone knows why these occur? 
>> Sharon
>



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Re: CS>Lypomas

[Nancy Estes]

Re: CS>LypomasThey're like any tumor in that they're cells gone mad, so to 
speak - but they are fat cells and "harmless".  But, like with your and my 
dogs, they can cause problems due to location.  Once they're attached they're 
difficult to impossible to surgically remove.  I don't know if anybody's ever 
tried any sort of tumor-shrinking procedure on them or not.  My dog lived to be 
15 so the tumor didn't "harm" him but it was in a bad location, all down the 
side of his rib cage, so he couldn't sleep on that side.

Nancy Estes
dog...@apex2000.net

  Why what was the outcome? I have a dog with one on his spine, and it is 
growing very slowly. The vet told me to wait and see two years ago, and that it 
would not be removable because of the location. I would love to find a way to 
get rid of it. I wonder if anyone knows why these occur?
  Sharon

Re: CS>Lypomas

[Sharon]

Why what was the outcome? I have a dog with one on his spine, and it 
is growing very slowly. The vet told me to wait and see two years 
ago, and that it would not be removable because of the location. I 
would love to find a way to get rid of it. I wonder if anyone knows 
why these occur?

Sharon

I've had one dog where this turned into a real problem.  If the 
lypoma doesn't grow and doesn't attach it's mostly a cosmetic 
problem.  However, if it does grow and does attach, as it did on my 
dog's rib cage, it cannot be safely / effectively removed.  My 
little 13" Beagle ended up with a huge lipoma on his side and 
couldn't sleep on that side.  It had attached through the muscle and 
between the ribs and couldn't be removed.  I haven't had a dog with 
a lypoma since then but if I do in the future I'm going to opt for 
removal rather than "wait and see", even though they are benign 
tumors and basically harmless.


Nancy Estes
dog...@apex2000.net

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From: Dan Nave
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:07 AM
Subject: CS>Lypomas

Does anyone know how to get rid of (non-cancerous) lypomas
or fatty tumors that appear under the skin? 

Re: CS>Lypomas

[Nancy Estes]

I've had one dog where this turned into a real problem.  If the lypoma doesn't 
grow and doesn't attach it's mostly a cosmetic problem.  However, if it does 
grow and does attach, as it did on my dog's rib cage, it cannot be safely / 
effectively removed.  My little 13" Beagle ended up with a huge lipoma on his 
side and couldn't sleep on that side.  It had attached through the muscle and 
between the ribs and couldn't be removed.  I haven't had a dog with a lypoma 
since then but if I do in the future I'm going to opt for removal rather than 
"wait and see", even though they are benign tumors and basically harmless.

Nancy Estes
dog...@apex2000.net
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dan Nave 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:07 AM
  Subject: CS>Lypomas


  Does anyone know how to get rid of (non-cancerous) lypomas 
  or fatty tumors that appear under the skin?