Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[David AuBuchon]

I just realized that the electrolytes also say this:

Other ingredients: Deionized water, bicarbonate, sulfur.

~David

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Marshall Dudley  wrote:
>  I will have to experiment, but I think that added to EIS will produce
> silver sulfate. which is highly soluble. I think I have some H2SO4 around
> for me to test with.
>
> Marshall
>
> On 10/8/2010 3:58 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
>>
>> It has the following in 1 tablespoon
>> phosphorus (as potassium phosphate) 147 mg
>> magnesium (as magnesium chloride, magnesium sulfate) 8mg
>> chloride (as magnesium chloride, potassium chloride, sodium chloride)
>> 135mg
>> sodium (as sodium bicarbonate, sodium chloride) 69mg
>> potassium (as potassium bicarbonate, potassium chloride, potassium
>> phosphate) 232 mg
>>
>> ~David


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RE: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[Lisa]

Couldn't one make their own electrolyte mixture?

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From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] 
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

Also interesting, I just got herx from 8 oz CS + 1 tsp of an
electrolyte concentrate ("peltier electrolytes").  It seems it does
increase the effectiveness as reported by others.

Question: Do electrolytes affect the CS in such a way that there is
more concern for argyria?

~David

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Marshall Dudley 
wrote:
>  On 10/7/2010 6:37 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
>>
>> Regarding making silver citrate:
>>
>> I recently tried adding citric acid to finished EIS and 8 oz gave me a
>> barely noticeable herx.  Regular EIS currently does not do so.
>
> That will only give you a silver citrate concentration of about 20 ppm or
so
> max.
>>
>> I must say I want to try a higher PPM experiment.  I have had 5 IV
>> treatments with silver protein that could have been in the thousands
>> of PPM for all I know.  No argyria yet...  I am willing to try higher
>> PPM silver citrate which I am gathering would be on the order of
>> hundreds of PPM at most.
>
> I would definitely stay out of the sun with higher ppm silver citrate.
>>
>> Steve and others: May I ask when you brew your own silver citrate, how
>> daring have you been in the amount you have ingested over time?  Also,
>> is there anyway to guesstimate if a batch is nearing saturation
>> besides observing stuff plating onto the cathode or observing a drop
>> in current?  I have a battery powered generator that runs on 2 AA's.
>> I have no clue how long it would take.  I added 3 tsp of citric acid
>> (1/16th of a cup) to a quart of distilled water and shook it up and
>> started brewing today.
>
> Silver citrate has a solubility of .28 g/l, or 280 ppm in cold water. This
> works out to be 58 ppm of silver, or about 2 1/2 time what one can get
> without the citrate. Much much higher in hot water. You will need
> approximately 0.007 ounces of citric acid for that to be balanced for a
> saturated quantity of silver citrate in 32 ounces of water.
>
> Marshall
>>
>> ~David
>>
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Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[Marshall Dudley]

 I will have to experiment, but I think that added to EIS will produce 
silver sulfate. which is highly soluble. I think I have some H2SO4 
around for me to test with.


Marshall

On 10/8/2010 3:58 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

It has the following in 1 tablespoon
phosphorus (as potassium phosphate) 147 mg
magnesium (as magnesium chloride, magnesium sulfate) 8mg
chloride (as magnesium chloride, potassium chloride, sodium chloride) 135mg
sodium (as sodium bicarbonate, sodium chloride) 69mg
potassium (as potassium bicarbonate, potassium chloride, potassium
phosphate) 232 mg

~David



On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Marshall Dudley  wrote:

  On 10/8/2010 2:22 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

Also interesting, I just got herx from 8 oz CS + 1 tsp of an
electrolyte concentrate ("peltier electrolytes").  It seems it does
increase the effectiveness as reported by others.

What does it have in it. Does it have citric acid?

Question: Do electrolytes affect the CS in such a way that there is
more concern for argyria?

Maybe. I would avoid the sun for a couple of hours after taking it.

Marshall

~David




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Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[David AuBuchon]

It has the following in 1 tablespoon
phosphorus (as potassium phosphate) 147 mg
magnesium (as magnesium chloride, magnesium sulfate) 8mg
chloride (as magnesium chloride, potassium chloride, sodium chloride) 135mg
sodium (as sodium bicarbonate, sodium chloride) 69mg
potassium (as potassium bicarbonate, potassium chloride, potassium
phosphate) 232 mg

~David



On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Marshall Dudley  wrote:
>  On 10/8/2010 2:22 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
>>
>> Also interesting, I just got herx from 8 oz CS + 1 tsp of an
>> electrolyte concentrate ("peltier electrolytes").  It seems it does
>> increase the effectiveness as reported by others.
>
> What does it have in it. Does it have citric acid?
>>
>> Question: Do electrolytes affect the CS in such a way that there is
>> more concern for argyria?
>
> Maybe. I would avoid the sun for a couple of hours after taking it.
>
> Marshall
>>
>> ~David
>>
>>


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Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[Marshall Dudley]

 On 10/8/2010 2:22 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

Also interesting, I just got herx from 8 oz CS + 1 tsp of an
electrolyte concentrate ("peltier electrolytes").  It seems it does
increase the effectiveness as reported by others.

What does it have in it. Does it have citric acid?

Question: Do electrolytes affect the CS in such a way that there is
more concern for argyria?

Maybe. I would avoid the sun for a couple of hours after taking it.

Marshall

~David

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Marshall Dudley  wrote:

  On 10/7/2010 6:37 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

Regarding making silver citrate:

I recently tried adding citric acid to finished EIS and 8 oz gave me a
barely noticeable herx.  Regular EIS currently does not do so.

That will only give you a silver citrate concentration of about 20 ppm or so
max.

I must say I want to try a higher PPM experiment.  I have had 5 IV
treatments with silver protein that could have been in the thousands
of PPM for all I know.  No argyria yet...  I am willing to try higher
PPM silver citrate which I am gathering would be on the order of
hundreds of PPM at most.

I would definitely stay out of the sun with higher ppm silver citrate.

Steve and others: May I ask when you brew your own silver citrate, how
daring have you been in the amount you have ingested over time?  Also,
is there anyway to guesstimate if a batch is nearing saturation
besides observing stuff plating onto the cathode or observing a drop
in current?  I have a battery powered generator that runs on 2 AA's.
I have no clue how long it would take.  I added 3 tsp of citric acid
(1/16th of a cup) to a quart of distilled water and shook it up and
started brewing today.

Silver citrate has a solubility of .28 g/l, or 280 ppm in cold water. This
works out to be 58 ppm of silver, or about 2 1/2 time what one can get
without the citrate. Much much higher in hot water. You will need
approximately 0.007 ounces of citric acid for that to be balanced for a
saturated quantity of silver citrate in 32 ounces of water.

Marshall

~David


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Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[David AuBuchon]

Also interesting, I just got herx from 8 oz CS + 1 tsp of an
electrolyte concentrate ("peltier electrolytes").  It seems it does
increase the effectiveness as reported by others.

Question: Do electrolytes affect the CS in such a way that there is
more concern for argyria?

~David

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Marshall Dudley  wrote:
>  On 10/7/2010 6:37 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
>>
>> Regarding making silver citrate:
>>
>> I recently tried adding citric acid to finished EIS and 8 oz gave me a
>> barely noticeable herx.  Regular EIS currently does not do so.
>
> That will only give you a silver citrate concentration of about 20 ppm or so
> max.
>>
>> I must say I want to try a higher PPM experiment.  I have had 5 IV
>> treatments with silver protein that could have been in the thousands
>> of PPM for all I know.  No argyria yet...  I am willing to try higher
>> PPM silver citrate which I am gathering would be on the order of
>> hundreds of PPM at most.
>
> I would definitely stay out of the sun with higher ppm silver citrate.
>>
>> Steve and others: May I ask when you brew your own silver citrate, how
>> daring have you been in the amount you have ingested over time?  Also,
>> is there anyway to guesstimate if a batch is nearing saturation
>> besides observing stuff plating onto the cathode or observing a drop
>> in current?  I have a battery powered generator that runs on 2 AA's.
>> I have no clue how long it would take.  I added 3 tsp of citric acid
>> (1/16th of a cup) to a quart of distilled water and shook it up and
>> started brewing today.
>
> Silver citrate has a solubility of .28 g/l, or 280 ppm in cold water. This
> works out to be 58 ppm of silver, or about 2 1/2 time what one can get
> without the citrate. Much much higher in hot water. You will need
> approximately 0.007 ounces of citric acid for that to be balanced for a
> saturated quantity of silver citrate in 32 ounces of water.
>
> Marshall
>>
>> ~David
>>
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Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[Marshall Dudley]

 On 10/7/2010 6:37 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

Regarding making silver citrate:

I recently tried adding citric acid to finished EIS and 8 oz gave me a
barely noticeable herx.  Regular EIS currently does not do so.
That will only give you a silver citrate concentration of about 20 ppm 
or so max.

I must say I want to try a higher PPM experiment.  I have had 5 IV
treatments with silver protein that could have been in the thousands
of PPM for all I know.  No argyria yet...  I am willing to try higher
PPM silver citrate which I am gathering would be on the order of
hundreds of PPM at most.

I would definitely stay out of the sun with higher ppm silver citrate.

Steve and others: May I ask when you brew your own silver citrate, how
daring have you been in the amount you have ingested over time?  Also,
is there anyway to guesstimate if a batch is nearing saturation
besides observing stuff plating onto the cathode or observing a drop
in current?  I have a battery powered generator that runs on 2 AA's.
I have no clue how long it would take.  I added 3 tsp of citric acid
(1/16th of a cup) to a quart of distilled water and shook it up and
started brewing today.
Silver citrate has a solubility of .28 g/l, or 280 ppm in cold water. 
This works out to be 58 ppm of silver, or about 2 1/2 time what one can 
get without the citrate. Much much higher in hot water. You will need 
approximately 0.007 ounces of citric acid for that to be balanced for a 
saturated quantity of silver citrate in 32 ounces of water.


Marshall

~David


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Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[David AuBuchon]

Regarding making silver citrate:

I recently tried adding citric acid to finished EIS and 8 oz gave me a
barely noticeable herx.  Regular EIS currently does not do so.

I must say I want to try a higher PPM experiment.  I have had 5 IV
treatments with silver protein that could have been in the thousands
of PPM for all I know.  No argyria yet...  I am willing to try higher
PPM silver citrate which I am gathering would be on the order of
hundreds of PPM at most.

Steve and others: May I ask when you brew your own silver citrate, how
daring have you been in the amount you have ingested over time?  Also,
is there anyway to guesstimate if a batch is nearing saturation
besides observing stuff plating onto the cathode or observing a drop
in current?  I have a battery powered generator that runs on 2 AA's.
I have no clue how long it would take.  I added 3 tsp of citric acid
(1/16th of a cup) to a quart of distilled water and shook it up and
started brewing today.

~David


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Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Great article.  dee

On 29 Sep 2010, at 21:13, David AuBuchon wrote:

> This alkalizing mechanism of the body in my understanding is meant to
> protect the body FROM the cancer , and NOT to fight the cancer.
> Unfortunately, I believe this mechanism accidentally helps the cancer.
> 
> Here is an article on cesium therapy for cancer, which is another
> alkalizing treatment.:
> http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james14.htm
> 
> It clearly works well.  In this case, there are arguments given why
> cesium goes right into cancer cells and really raises up their pH
> locally.  So this for example I would not consider a counterproductive
> alkalizing therapy.  In fact, this is probably one of the best stand
> alone therapies there are.
> 
> ~David
> 


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Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[David AuBuchon]

Thanks for those replies.  Good catch with the 13,000PPM.  That's the
lyme brain fog talking.  I wonder if anyone can report having better
or different results taking such a silver citrate solution orally,
versus regular EIS?

Thanks,
~David


>


>
> ** [I do not think that the citric acid will significantly react with silver 
> particles. The citric acid will be a very weak acid solution.]
>
>>
> **[I will probably not get this exactly right. This is more in Marshall's and 
> Ode's realm of knowledge. Silver citrate has a solubility of around 185 ppm 
> in water. While in solution, silver ions can disassociate from the citrate 
> and become free ions. At some point the silver will re-associate with the 
> citrate, again becoming silver citrate. This association/disassociation will 
> continue as long as the silver citrate is in solution. Silver citrate is 
> effective for at least 2 reasons. First, silver citrate readily transitions 
> between association and disassociation. Some silver complexes do not and they 
> do not have as high an antimicrobial capability. The second reason that the 
> relatively good solubility of silver citrate provides for more free silver 
> ions to be available.]

>
> **[Silver has a higher reactivity with citrate than it has with chloride. 
> This means that the silver citrate will not complex with the chloride in salt 
> or stomach acid as long as there is sufficient citric acid/citrate available. 
> This is why I recommended the conversion to silver citrate - to prevent the 
> silver ions from forming less desirable complexes.]
>


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Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[David AuBuchon]

This alkalizing mechanism of the body in my understanding is meant to
protect the body FROM the cancer , and NOT to fight the cancer.
Unfortunately, I believe this mechanism accidentally helps the cancer.

Here is an article on cesium therapy for cancer, which is another
alkalizing treatment.:
http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james14.htm

It clearly works well.  In this case, there are arguments given why
cesium goes right into cancer cells and really raises up their pH
locally.  So this for example I would not consider a counterproductive
alkalizing therapy.  In fact, this is probably one of the best stand
alone therapies there are.

~David

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Ode Coyote  wrote:
>
>
>  I think what is says is that the body goes alkaline naturally to fight off
> the cancer, but runs out of steam and quits...letting the lactic acid take
> over.
>
> Ode
>
>
> At 12:09 PM 9/28/2010 +0100, you wrote:
>>
>> I know I'm dense, but isn't this a contradiction?  dee
>>
>>


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Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[needling around]

David, I believe citric acid is the same as sour salt and should be 
available in any grocery store.

Good luck with your friend.
PT


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Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?


 Well if you have 10 ppm of CS, it would only take a pinch to convert all 
in a glass.


Marshall

On 9/28/2010 7:50 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

Hi Steve,

Do you have any guidelines for how much citric acid to mix per volume of 
CS?  Do you think silver citrate is still effective?  Would I just google 
shop for any old citric acid?


Thanks,
~David

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Norton, Steve <mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com>> wrote:


Personally,  would mix the EIS with citric acid or a citrus juice
to convert it to silver citrate before combining with the others.

- Steve N




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Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[Marshall Dudley]

 Well if you have 10 ppm of CS, it would only take a pinch to convert 
all in a glass.


Marshall

On 9/28/2010 7:50 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

Hi Steve,

Do you have any guidelines for how much citric acid to mix per volume 
of CS?  Do you think silver citrate is still effective?  Would I just 
google shop for any old citric acid?


Thanks,
~David

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Norton, Steve 
mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com>> wrote:


Personally,  would mix the EIS with citric acid or a citrus juice
to convert it to silver citrate before combining with the others.

- Steve N




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[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

thanks David. dee

On 29 Sep 2010, at 00:48, David AuBuchon wrote:

> Hi Dee,
> 
> What I have read and been told by a doc says that tumors are locally acidic 
> due to lactic acid.  In order to protect the rest of the body, the body makes 
> everything else alkaline.  It is not the the whole body is acidic or 
> alkaline.  There is a distribution of different pH's.  
> 
> ~David
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> I know I'm dense, but isn't this a contradiction?  dee
> 
> 


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[Ode Coyote]

  I think what is says is that the body goes alkaline naturally to fight 
off the cancer, but runs out of steam and quits...letting the lactic acid 
take over.


Ode


At 12:09 PM 9/28/2010 +0100, you wrote:

I know I'm dense, but isn't this a contradiction?  dee


On 27 Sep 2010, at 22:21, David AuBuchon wrote:

> <<  I have read some articles and studies by alternative cancer doctors 
that show that whole body alkaline pH INCREASES cancer metabolsim and 
that ACIDIFYING therapies such as IV HCL and IV Vitamin C reverse 
cancer.  The whole concept of alkalizing for cancer has value, but has 
been vastly oversimplified.  In fact, it was shown that cancer patients 
develop blood that is more alkaline than others naturally.  The body uses 
its alkaline reserves to protect against lactic acid production by 
tumors.  When these alkaline reserves run out, the whole body rapidly 
becomes acidic and death is immament.>>

>
> Any rate, sorry that was off topic!
>
> ~David
>
>
>


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Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[Norton, Steve]

Some comments below.
 - Steve N


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Subject: Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

Hi Steve (and all),

Thanks for this info.  I read a detailed post you made a while back
also about making SC.  I'll say that it is more appealing to me to add
citric acid to finished EIS (rather than brewing with citric acid)
because it provides a limit on the PPM on the silver that I would be
afraid to go way to high otherwise.  Several questions come to mind:

1.  With this method, do you think the particle portion of the EIS
will remain unaffected and help prevent against argyria?

** [I do not think that the citric acid will significantly react with silver 
particles. The citric acid will be a very weak acid solution.]


About the pubmed study, here are two quotes about the solubility of
silver citrate disassociating into ions:

"In concentrated solutions, containing more than 13 g/L of Ag(I) ion,
the crystallization was observed."

"The maximum concentration of Ag(I) in the solution that can be
achieved is estimated at about 23 g/L to 25 g/L if the concentration
of citric acid is at least 4 mol/L or higher." (FYI 4 mol/L is about
800grams of citric acid)

2.  They say more than 13PPM causes crystals.  I hear about much much
higher PPM of silver citrate products.  Are those products not
solutions?  Are they just particles just swishing around in the water?

**[13gm/liter is 13,000ppm and not 13ppm]

3.  I read in old posts by frank key that the net charge in EIS has to
be zero and that the cations need to balance the anions.  Is this
statement pertaining to a certain context that I didn't catch, or is
this a general rule?  If citric acid is an anion, and it is added,
will other anions have to somehow leave the solution to maintain zero
net charge?

**[I will probably not get this exactly right. This is more in Marshall's and 
Ode's realm of knowledge. Silver citrate has a solubility of around 185 ppm in 
water. While in solution, silver ions can disassociate from the citrate and 
become free ions. At some point the silver will re-associate with the citrate, 
again becoming silver citrate. This association/disassociation will continue as 
long as the silver citrate is in solution. Silver citrate is effective for at 
least 2 reasons. First, silver citrate readily transitions between association 
and disassociation. Some silver complexes do not and they do not have as high 
an antimicrobial capability. The second reason that the relatively good 
solubility of silver citrate provides for more free silver ions to be 
available.]

4. This article gives me the impression that adding citric acid will
just leave the silver as ions and the citric acid as anions.  How will
this change anything about what happens when it is ingested (getting
back to my original task of trying to spike water with CS when there
is other stuff in the water already)

**[Silver has a higher reactivity with citrate than it has with chloride. This 
means that the silver citrate will not complex with the chloride in salt or 
stomach acid as long as there is sufficient citric acid/citrate available. This 
is why I recommended the conversion to silver citrate - to prevent the silver 
ions from forming less desirable complexes.]


Thanks,
~David

>
> From: Norton, Steve
>
> Probably less than you can measure. E.g. 1 liter of 15 ppm CS would contain 
> 15 mg of silver. Silver citrate contains 3 silver atoms for each citric acid 
> molecule and the molecular weight of citric acid is approximately twice that 
> of a silver atom. If you have a perfect complexing you would need roughly 10 
> mg of citric acid to convert the 1 liter of 15 ppm CS to silver citrate. 10 
> mg is hard to measure. So I would just add a pinch or more of citric acid and 
> mix. Extra citric acid does no harm. Any old citric acid will do.
>
> Citric acid has is very antimicrobial. See:
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2590638/
>
> http://microbecide.com/index.php?main_page=microbecide
>
> -   Steve N
>
> 


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Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[David AuBuchon]

Hi Steve (and all),

Thanks for this info.  I read a detailed post you made a while back
also about making SC.  I'll say that it is more appealing to me to add
citric acid to finished EIS (rather than brewing with citric acid)
because it provides a limit on the PPM on the silver that I would be
afraid to go way to high otherwise.  Several questions come to mind:

1.  With this method, do you think the particle portion of the EIS
will remain unaffected and help prevent against argyria?

About the pubmed study, here are two quotes about the solubility of
silver citrate disassociating into ions:

"In concentrated solutions, containing more than 13 g/L of Ag(I) ion,
the crystallization was observed."

"The maximum concentration of Ag(I) in the solution that can be
achieved is estimated at about 23 g/L to 25 g/L if the concentration
of citric acid is at least 4 mol/L or higher." (FYI 4 mol/L is about
800grams of citric acid)

2.  They say more than 13PPM causes crystals.  I hear about much much
higher PPM of silver citrate products.  Are those products not
solutions?  Are they just particles just swishing around in the water?

3.  I read in old posts by frank key that the net charge in EIS has to
be zero and that the cations need to balance the anions.  Is this
statement pertaining to a certain context that I didn't catch, or is
this a general rule?  If citric acid is an anion, and it is added,
will other anions have to somehow leave the solution to maintain zero
net charge?

4. This article gives me the impression that adding citric acid will
just leave the silver as ions and the citric acid as anions.  How will
this change anything about what happens when it is ingested (getting
back to my original task of trying to spike water with CS when there
is other stuff in the water already)

Thanks,
~David

>
> From: Norton, Steve
>
> Probably less than you can measure. E.g. 1 liter of 15 ppm CS would contain 
> 15 mg of silver. Silver citrate contains 3 silver atoms for each citric acid 
> molecule and the molecular weight of citric acid is approximately twice that 
> of a silver atom. If you have a perfect complexing you would need roughly 10 
> mg of citric acid to convert the 1 liter of 15 ppm CS to silver citrate. 10 
> mg is hard to measure. So I would just add a pinch or more of citric acid and 
> mix. Extra citric acid does no harm. Any old citric acid will do.
>
> Citric acid has is very antimicrobial. See:
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2590638/
>
> http://microbecide.com/index.php?main_page=microbecide
>
> -   Steve N
>
> From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com]
>
> Do you have any guidelines for how much citric acid to mix per volume of CS?  
> Do you think silver citrate is still effective?  Would I just google shop for 
> any old citric acid?


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RE: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[Norton, Steve]

Should have read : "Silver citrate has is very antimicrobial."
-   Steve N

From: Norton, Steve 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:44 PM
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com'
Subject: Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

Probably less than you can measure. E.g. 1 liter of 15 ppm CS would
contain 15 mg of silver. Silver citrate contains 3 silver atoms for each
citric acid molecule and the molecular weight of citric acid is
approximately twice that of a silver atom. If you have a perfect
complexing you would need roughly 10 mg of citric acid to convert the 1
liter of 15 ppm CS to silver citrate. 10 mg is hard to measure. So I
would just add a pinch or more of citric acid and mix. Extra citric acid
does no harm. Any old citric acid will do.

Citric acid has is very antimicrobial. See:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2590638/
http://microbecide.com/index.php?main_page=microbecide

-   Steve N

From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 4:50 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

Hi Steve,

Do you have any guidelines for how much citric acid to mix per volume of
CS?  Do you think silver citrate is still effective?  Would I just
google shop for any old citric acid?

Thanks,
~David
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Norton, Steve 
wrote:
Personally,  would mix the EIS with citric acid or a citrus juice to
convert it to silver citrate before combining with the others.
 
-  Steve N

Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[Norton, Steve]

Probably less than you can measure. E.g. 1 liter of 15 ppm CS would
contain 15 mg of silver. Silver citrate contains 3 silver atoms for each
citric acid molecule and the molecular weight of citric acid is
approximately twice that of a silver atom. If you have a perfect
complexing you would need roughly 10 mg of citric acid to convert the 1
liter of 15 ppm CS to silver citrate. 10 mg is hard to measure. So I
would just add a pinch or more of citric acid and mix. Extra citric acid
does no harm. Any old citric acid will do.

 

Citric acid has is very antimicrobial. See:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2590638/

http://microbecide.com/index.php?main_page=microbecide

 

-  Steve N

 

From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 4:50 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

 

Hi Steve,

Do you have any guidelines for how much citric acid to mix per volume of
CS?  Do you think silver citrate is still effective?  Would I just
google shop for any old citric acid?

Thanks,
~David

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Norton, Steve 
wrote:

Personally,  would mix the EIS with citric acid or a citrus juice to
convert it to silver citrate before combining with the others.

 

-  Steve N

Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[David AuBuchon]

Hi Steve,

Do you have any guidelines for how much citric acid to mix per volume of
CS?  Do you think silver citrate is still effective?  Would I just google
shop for any old citric acid?

Thanks,
~David

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Norton, Steve wrote:

>  Personally,  would mix the EIS with citric acid or a citrus juice to
> convert it to silver citrate before combining with the others.
>
>
>
> -  Steve N
>

Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[David AuBuchon]

Hi Dee,

What I have read and been told by a doc says that tumors are locally acidic
due to lactic acid.  In order to protect the rest of the body, the body
makes everything else alkaline.  It is not the the whole body is acidic or
alkaline.  There is a distribution of different pH's.

~David


On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

> I know I'm dense, but isn't this a contradiction?  dee
>
>
> On 27 Sep 2010, at 22:21, David AuBuchon wrote:
>
> > <<  I have read some articles and studies by alternative cancer doctors
> that show that whole body alkaline pH INCREASES cancer metabolsim and that
> ACIDIFYING therapies such as IV HCL and IV Vitamin C reverse cancer.  The
> whole concept of alkalizing for cancer has value, but has been vastly
> oversimplified.  In fact, it was shown that cancer patients develop blood
> that is more alkaline than others naturally.  The body uses its alkaline
> reserves to protect against lactic acid production by tumors.  When these
> alkaline reserves run out, the whole body rapidly becomes acidic and death
> is immament.>>
> >
> >
>

Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[Ode Coyote]

  You can make the same effect directly in the cancer with a Zapper.
[I don't sell Zappers ]

http://www.silverpuppy.com/Zapper.html
http://www.silverpuppy.com/Shunned%20Cure.html


Ode




At 10:02 AM 9/27/2010 -1000, you wrote:

If your friend is willing, you should tell him about his
cancer treatment with this =

http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/sodium-bicarbonate-treatment.html


I am constantly refining the natural treatment of a friend with cancer, 
and want to spike his drinking water with CS.  The problem is, his 
drinking water is already spiked with sea salt, baking soda, and samento 
drops.  Will the CS be ineffective if added to the same water as this stuff?


Thanks,
~David




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RE: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[Louise Larabie]

In the system German New Medicine there are basically two types of cancer,
those that form tumours and those that break down tissue.

Depending on where in the body it is located either could be in the healing
stages called cancer.

Take ovarian cancer that grows for 9 months or so and IF one has the
Tuberculosis pathogen in their system at the time of the growth it will
naturally start to break down at that stage.

But doctors see either stage as bad and try to operate too soon and causes
the body to go more out of kilter than if it were left alone (IF there is no
TB when the tumour was forming then the removal after 9 months would be safe
to do.  http://learninggnm.com/home.html

Since the body is trying to heal I can see the pH increase to finish the
healing phase of what doctors call cancer (mistunement in the brain from a
shock of some type, depending on the type of cancer it is)

Emotional balance and physical balance in the body would help to prevent and
heal some types of cancers.  The immunes system tends to be weak with cancer
patients or in overdrive depending on the type of cancer.

I know a friend that had lots of cancers till her husband left her and she
got better very quickly after that

Louise



-Original Message-
From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:09 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

I know I'm dense, but isn't this a contradiction?  dee


On 27 Sep 2010, at 22:21, David AuBuchon wrote:

> <<  I have read some articles and studies by alternative cancer doctors
that show that whole body alkaline pH INCREASES cancer metabolsim and that
ACIDIFYING therapies such as IV HCL and IV Vitamin C reverse cancer.  The
whole concept of alkalizing for cancer has value, but has been vastly
oversimplified.  In fact, it was shown that cancer patients develop blood
that is more alkaline than others naturally.  The body uses its alkaline
reserves to protect against lactic acid production by tumors.  When these
alkaline reserves run out, the whole body rapidly becomes acidic and death
is immament.>>
> 
> Any rate, sorry that was off topic!
> 
> ~David
> 
> 
> 


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Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I know I'm dense, but isn't this a contradiction?  dee


On 27 Sep 2010, at 22:21, David AuBuchon wrote:

> <<  I have read some articles and studies by alternative cancer doctors that 
> show that whole body alkaline pH INCREASES cancer metabolsim and that 
> ACIDIFYING therapies such as IV HCL and IV Vitamin C reverse cancer.  The 
> whole concept of alkalizing for cancer has value, but has been vastly 
> oversimplified.  In fact, it was shown that cancer patients develop blood 
> that is more alkaline than others naturally.  The body uses its alkaline 
> reserves to protect against lactic acid production by tumors.  When these 
> alkaline reserves run out, the whole body rapidly becomes acidic and death is 
> immament.>>
> 
> Any rate, sorry that was off topic!
> 
> ~David
> 
> 
> 


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Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

It would definitely 'bind' with the salt--so making the CS particles bigger, 
but I don't think this would matter.  dee

On 27 Sep 2010, at 19:40, David AuBuchon wrote:

> I am constantly refining the natural treatment of a friend with cancer, and 
> want to spike his drinking water with CS.  The problem is, his drinking water 
> is already spiked with sea salt, baking soda, and samento drops.  Will the CS 
> be ineffective if added to the same water as this stuff?  
> 
> Thanks,
> ~David


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Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[Norton, Steve]

Personally,  would mix the EIS with citric acid or a citrus juice to
convert it to silver citrate before combining with the others.

 

-  Steve N

 

From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:09 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

 

Ya, that I can understand.  I am speaking of bicarb by itself.  

An interesting aside: some docs use IV insulin to target things to
cancer cells, which has a better effect than IV glucose, and does not
feed the cancer metabolism.  

Anyway, back to the original question: will CS loose its usefulness if
mixed with any of the following?:

bicarb, sea salt, electrolytes, vitamin C?

Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[David AuBuchon]

Ya, that I can understand.  I am speaking of bicarb by itself.

An interesting aside: some docs use IV insulin to target things to cancer
cells, which has a better effect than IV glucose, and does not feed the
cancer metabolism.

Anyway, back to the original question: will CS loose its usefulness if mixed
with any of the following?:

bicarb, sea salt, electrolytes, vitamin C?

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Smitty  wrote:

> I believe you missed the part where molasses is used with the soda =
>
> according to Mark Sircus, Ac., OMD, Director of the International Medical
> Veritas Association, "Dr. Simoncini routinely administers glucose with his
> IV treatments and this is the best indication for the use of either honey,
> maple syrup** or black strap molasses** especially for late stage cancer
> patients whose cells are starving."
>
>
>
> He takes minimal baking soda orally.  Maybe only 3 tsp a day.  The doc said
>> he should take 8, but he won't.  I don't believe oral bicarb alone has
>> enough evidence to support its effectiveness.  So far, all the cases I have
>> read of bicarb success have had a way of targeting bicarcb to the cancer.
>> Such as stomach cancer being directly reached by oral route, lung cancer
>> reached by nebulizer, tumor injected directly, bicarb given IV, etc.  The
>> patient also gets IV bicarb + DMSO but only once in 3 weeks.  If you can get
>> pH really high at the cancer site, I can believe it kills cancer.  Cancer is
>> certainly not just a fungus though.  There are many factors.  Fungus and
>> infections is one of them.  I have read some articles and studies by
>> alternative cancer doctors that show that whole body alkaline pH INCREASES
>> cancer metabolsim and that ACIDIFYING therapies such as IV HCL and IV
>> Vitamin C reverse cancer.  The whole concept of alkalizing for cancer has
>> value, but has been vastly oversimplified.  In fact, it was shown that
>> cancer patients develop blood that is more alkaline than others naturally.
>> The body uses its alkaline reserves to protect against lactic acid
>> production by tumors.  When these alkaline reserves run out, the whole body
>> rapidly becomes acidic and death is immament.
>>
>> Any rate, sorry that was off topic!
>>
>> ~David
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Smitty  wrote:
>>
>>> If your friend is willing, you should tell him about his
>>> cancer treatment with this =
>>>
>>> http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/sodium-bicarbonate-treatment.html
>>>
>>>
>>> I am constantly refining the natural treatment of a friend with cancer,
 and want to spike his drinking water with CS.  The problem is, his drinking
 water is already spiked with sea salt, baking soda, and samento drops.  
 Will
 the CS be ineffective if added to the same water as this stuff?

 Thanks,
 ~David

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[Smitty]

I believe you missed the part where molasses is used with the soda =

according to Mark Sircus, Ac., OMD, Director of the International Medical
Veritas Association, "Dr. Simoncini routinely administers glucose with his
IV treatments and this is the best indication for the use of either honey,
maple syrup** or black strap molasses** especially for late stage cancer
patients whose cells are starving."


He takes minimal baking soda orally.  Maybe only 3 tsp a day.  The doc said
> he should take 8, but he won't.  I don't believe oral bicarb alone has
> enough evidence to support its effectiveness.  So far, all the cases I have
> read of bicarb success have had a way of targeting bicarcb to the cancer.
> Such as stomach cancer being directly reached by oral route, lung cancer
> reached by nebulizer, tumor injected directly, bicarb given IV, etc.  The
> patient also gets IV bicarb + DMSO but only once in 3 weeks.  If you can get
> pH really high at the cancer site, I can believe it kills cancer.  Cancer is
> certainly not just a fungus though.  There are many factors.  Fungus and
> infections is one of them.  I have read some articles and studies by
> alternative cancer doctors that show that whole body alkaline pH INCREASES
> cancer metabolsim and that ACIDIFYING therapies such as IV HCL and IV
> Vitamin C reverse cancer.  The whole concept of alkalizing for cancer has
> value, but has been vastly oversimplified.  In fact, it was shown that
> cancer patients develop blood that is more alkaline than others naturally.
> The body uses its alkaline reserves to protect against lactic acid
> production by tumors.  When these alkaline reserves run out, the whole body
> rapidly becomes acidic and death is immament.
>
> Any rate, sorry that was off topic!
>
> ~David
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Smitty  wrote:
>
>> If your friend is willing, you should tell him about his
>> cancer treatment with this =
>>
>> http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/sodium-bicarbonate-treatment.html
>>
>>
>> I am constantly refining the natural treatment of a friend with cancer,
>>> and want to spike his drinking water with CS.  The problem is, his drinking
>>> water is already spiked with sea salt, baking soda, and samento drops.  Will
>>> the CS be ineffective if added to the same water as this stuff?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> ~David
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[David AuBuchon]

He takes minimal baking soda orally.  Maybe only 3 tsp a day.  The doc said
he should take 8, but he won't.  I don't believe oral bicarb alone has
enough evidence to support its effectiveness.  So far, all the cases I have
read of bicarb success have had a way of targeting bicarcb to the cancer.
Such as stomach cancer being directly reached by oral route, lung cancer
reached by nebulizer, tumor injected directly, bicarb given IV, etc.  The
patient also gets IV bicarb + DMSO but only once in 3 weeks.  If you can get
pH really high at the cancer site, I can believe it kills cancer.  Cancer is
certainly not just a fungus though.  There are many factors.  Fungus and
infections is one of them.  I have read some articles and studies by
alternative cancer doctors that show that whole body alkaline pH INCREASES
cancer metabolsim and that ACIDIFYING therapies such as IV HCL and IV
Vitamin C reverse cancer.  The whole concept of alkalizing for cancer has
value, but has been vastly oversimplified.  In fact, it was shown that
cancer patients develop blood that is more alkaline than others naturally.
The body uses its alkaline reserves to protect against lactic acid
production by tumors.  When these alkaline reserves run out, the whole body
rapidly becomes acidic and death is immament.

Any rate, sorry that was off topic!

~David



On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Smitty  wrote:

> If your friend is willing, you should tell him about his
> cancer treatment with this =
>
> http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/sodium-bicarbonate-treatment.html
>
>
> I am constantly refining the natural treatment of a friend with cancer, and
>> want to spike his drinking water with CS.  The problem is, his drinking
>> water is already spiked with sea salt, baking soda, and samento drops.  Will
>> the CS be ineffective if added to the same water as this stuff?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> ~David
>>
>
>

Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[Smitty]

If your friend is willing, you should tell him about his
cancer treatment with this =

http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/sodium-bicarbonate-treatment.html


I am constantly refining the natural treatment of a friend with cancer, and
> want to spike his drinking water with CS.  The problem is, his drinking
> water is already spiked with sea salt, baking soda, and samento drops.  Will
> the CS be ineffective if added to the same water as this stuff?
>
> Thanks,
> ~David
>