RE: [SAtalk] New to Spamassassin

[Gilson, Larry]

> -Original Message-
> From: McWhirter,Julia
> 
> This rule worked thanks, also upgraded to mimedefang 2.39 and
> spamassassin 2.60 which help with some other spam that was slipping
> through.

But I think you will get a lot of FPs with that one.

C.B.S., N.B.C., B.B.C.


--Larry
L.G.



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RE: [SAtalk] New to Spamassassin

[McWhirter,Julia]

Larry/Jennifer,

I have copied the chickenpox and popcorn rules which are working fine
thanks very much Jennifer.  Larry my install is also outside the
firewall and therefore needs site-wide config and not user based and
therefore getting bayes working is going to mean collecting a lot of
hams/spams and transferring around (bit of a pain) but currently I have
just started collecting to one day get it to learn so that in the future
the need for some rules will be negated as you say.

Regards
Julia McWhirter
IT Manager
 
SuperH (UK) Ltd
Network House
2410 Aztec West
Almondsbury
Bristol
BS32 4QX
 
Tel : 01454 465661
Fax : 01454 465601
Mobile : 07979 913494
Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web : www.superh.com
 

-Original Message-
From: Larry Gilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 26 November 2003 15:40
To: 'Jennifer Wheeler'; McWhirter,Julia
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [SAtalk] New to Spamassassin



> -Original Message-
> From: Jennifer Wheeler
> 
> > Yes so I found out, but too be fair he did say it might be too 
> > restrictive and in my case it is.  I am now looking at enabling 
> > bayes unless anyone has any other suggestions.

I have been using Bayes for about 3 weeks to a month now.  I am glad I
started using it.  I have been able to slowly decomission rules which
makes
SA more accurate and hands-off for me.  I was concerned initially as my
configuration is a gateway that does not allow user_prefs but rather
only
site-wide.  I should also indicate that I am still using 2.55.  In my
specific case, Bayes does not score sufficiently to tag these specific
messages as spam.  So I continue to use my rules.  Bob Menschel was kind
enough to run the rules through masscheck against his 58K+ corpus.  I
have
not fully had the chance to review his appreciated work so you might
want to
refer to the subject "[RD] Ideas" in the archives.

I have not tried Jennifer's rules but her rules have been known to kick
butt
so I would not hesitate to use them.

> I could be missing something here.  I thought I cc'ed you on 
> this but maybe I messed up.  Is this not what you were 
> looking for?  Or did you see a problem with them?  
> 
> http://www.emtinc.net/spamhammers.htm 
>
> http://www.emtinc.net/includes/chickenpox.cf 
> 
> twilight zone morning here so I could be floating in a hot air
> balloon over saskatchewan for all I know.
> 
> Jennifer
> 
> One more disclaimer, start low, see what they do, and put scores 
> that work best.  Add domain extensions or whatever other potential 
> problems you see in the lookbehinds, but make them the same number 
> of characters as the others in the sets.  (biz|com|org) not 
> (biz|com|html)


Regards,
Larry



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RE: [SAtalk] New to Spamassassin

[Larry Gilson]

Hi Julia,

> -Original Message-
> From: McWhirter,Julia
> 
> Larry/Jennifer,
> 
> I have copied the chickenpox and popcorn rules which are 
> working fine thanks very much Jennifer.  Larry my install is 
> also outside the firewall and therefore needs site-wide 
> config and not user based and therefore getting bayes working 
> is going to mean collecting a lot of hams/spams and 
> transferring around (bit of a pain) but currently I have just 
> started collecting to one day get it to learn so that in the 
> future the need for some rules will be negated as you say.

Just thought I would add my experience in the outside chance it could help.
I am using Procmail in my site-wide config.  I was also utilizing Procmail
for whitelist.  What I decided to do is turn off my whitelist and instead
force feed those messages to sa-learn as ham *just* prior to feeding to
spamc.  I have been utilizing AWL along with auto_learn.  To date, it has
been working great.  About 99% of the legitimate newsletters requested
advertisements that used to be FPs are not being tagged as spam anymore but
the spam hit is actually more accurate.  I have only had to hand-feed maybe
15-20 messages as either ham or spam to sa-learn.  It has mostly been
hands-off.  The only thing I really spent any time with is removing the
newsletters and requested advertisements from AWL so that it would rescore.
I am not disappointed.

--Larry



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RE: [SAtalk] New to Spamassassin

[Larry Gilson]

> -Original Message-
> From: Jennifer Wheeler
> 
> > Yes so I found out, but too be fair he did say it might be too 
> > restrictive and in my case it is.  I am now looking at enabling 
> > bayes unless anyone has any other suggestions.

I have been using Bayes for about 3 weeks to a month now.  I am glad I
started using it.  I have been able to slowly decomission rules which makes
SA more accurate and hands-off for me.  I was concerned initially as my
configuration is a gateway that does not allow user_prefs but rather only
site-wide.  I should also indicate that I am still using 2.55.  In my
specific case, Bayes does not score sufficiently to tag these specific
messages as spam.  So I continue to use my rules.  Bob Menschel was kind
enough to run the rules through masscheck against his 58K+ corpus.  I have
not fully had the chance to review his appreciated work so you might want to
refer to the subject "[RD] Ideas" in the archives.

I have not tried Jennifer's rules but her rules have been known to kick butt
so I would not hesitate to use them.

> I could be missing something here.  I thought I cc'ed you on 
> this but maybe I messed up.  Is this not what you were 
> looking for?  Or did you see a problem with them?  
> 
> http://www.emtinc.net/spamhammers.htm 
>
> http://www.emtinc.net/includes/chickenpox.cf 
> 
> twilight zone morning here so I could be floating in a hot air
> balloon over saskatchewan for all I know.
> 
> Jennifer
> 
> One more disclaimer, start low, see what they do, and put scores 
> that work best.  Add domain extensions or whatever other potential 
> problems you see in the lookbehinds, but make them the same number 
> of characters as the others in the sets.  (biz|com|org) not 
> (biz|com|html)


Regards,
Larry



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RE: [SAtalk] New to Spamassassin

[Jennifer Wheeler]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:spamassassin-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McWhirter,Julia
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:46 AM
> To: Gilson, Larry; Marvin Raab
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [SAtalk] New to Spamassassin
> 
> Yes so I found out, but too be fair he did say it might be too
> restrictive and in my case it is.  I am now looking at enabling bayes
> unless anyone has any other suggestions.
> 

I could be missing something here.  I thought I cc'ed you on this but
maybe I messed up.  Is this not what you were looking for?  Or did you
see a problem with them?  

http://www.emtinc.net/spamhammers.htm 

http://www.emtinc.net/includes/chickenpox.cf 

twilight zone morning here so I could be floating in a hot air balloon
over saskatchewan for all I know.

Jennifer

One more disclaimer, start low, see what they do, and put scores that
work best.  Add domain extensions or whatever other potential problems
you see in the lookbehinds, but make them the same number of characters
as the others in the sets.  (biz|com|org) not (biz|com|html)

> Regards
> Julia McWhirter
> IT Manager
> 
> SuperH (UK) Ltd
> Network House
> 2410 Aztec West
> Almondsbury
> Bristol
> BS32 4QX
> 
> Tel : 01454 465661
> Fax : 01454 465601
> Mobile : 07979 913494
> Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Web : www.superh.com
> 




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RE: [SAtalk] New to Spamassassin

[McWhirter,Julia]

Yes so I found out, but too be fair he did say it might be too
restrictive and in my case it is.  I am now looking at enabling bayes
unless anyone has any other suggestions.

Regards
Julia McWhirter
IT Manager
 
SuperH (UK) Ltd
Network House
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Almondsbury
Bristol
BS32 4QX
 
Tel : 01454 465661
Fax : 01454 465601
Mobile : 07979 913494
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> -Original Message-
> From: McWhirter,Julia
> 
> This rule worked thanks, also upgraded to mimedefang 2.39 and
> spamassassin 2.60 which help with some other spam that was slipping
> through.

But I think you will get a lot of FPs with that one.

C.B.S., N.B.C., B.B.C.


--Larry
L.G.

--- End Message ---

RE: [SAtalk] New to Spamassassin

[Chris Santerre]

WOW!! I missed this rule. This rule is NOT good. High FP rate!!! 

All someone has to do is not put a space after a period, and *bang* they are
spam. What about abbreviations like USA with periods?

--Chris

> -Original Message-
> From: McWhirter,Julia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:27 AM
> To: Marvin Raab
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [SAtalk] New to Spamassassin
> 
> 
> This rule worked thanks, also upgraded to mimedefang 2.39 and
> spamassassin 2.60 which help with some other spam that was slipping
> through.
> 
> Regards
> Julia McWhirter
> IT Manager
>  
> SuperH (UK) Ltd
> Network House
> 2410 Aztec West
> Almondsbury
> Bristol
> BS32 4QX
>  
> Tel : 01454 465661
> Fax : 01454 465601
> Mobile : 07979 913494
> Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Web : www.superh.com
>  
> 
> 


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RE: [SAtalk] New to Spamassassin

[McWhirter,Julia]

This rule worked thanks, also upgraded to mimedefang 2.39 and
spamassassin 2.60 which help with some other spam that was slipping
through.

Regards
Julia McWhirter
IT Manager
 
SuperH (UK) Ltd
Network House
2410 Aztec West
Almondsbury
Bristol
BS32 4QX
 
Tel : 01454 465661
Fax : 01454 465601
Mobile : 07979 913494
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I made the following rule to specifically deal with stuff like this...


header LETDOTLET   Subject =~ /[a-zA-Z]\.[a-zA-Z]/
describe LETDOTLETSubject: Letter Dot Letter
score LETDOTLET 5.0



It works great for me but may be too restrictive for others...





-Original Message-
From: McWhirter,Julia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [SAtalk] New to Spamassassin


I have the following setup

 

Sendmail 8.12.10

Mimedefang 2.37

Spamassassin 2.55

 

All running under Solaris 8

 

How can I get spamassassin to recognise the attached e-mail as spam.

 

I have looked through the tests on the spamassassin web site, but to no
avail.  

 

Thanks in advance. 

 

Regards

Julia McWhirter

IT Manager

 

SuperH (UK) Ltd

Network House

2410 Aztec West

Almondsbury

Bristol

BS32 4QX

 

Tel : 01454 465661

Fax : 01454 465601

Mobile : 07979 913494

Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]  

Web : www.superh.com  

 

 

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Re: [SAtalk] New to Spamassassin

[Matt Kettler]

At 11:06 AM 11/25/2003, McWhirter,Julia wrote:
I have looked through the tests on the spamassassin web site, but to no
avail.
1) that's not a complete email it's only a body with partial headers, thus 
nobody will be able to test it against spamassassin.

2) these kind of obfuscating strings are very well handled by the bayes 
subsystem. You might want to consider enabling it and training it. see man 
sa-learn.

3) consider adding razor and network checks.

4) another part of getting SA to reliably tag emails is to keep it updated. 
This is a bit of work, but the current version is 2.60, not 2.55. 2.60 has 
a fresh mass-check/ga run.  2.55 is using the mass-check data from 2.50, 
but has a newer GA run that was done for 2.54 (I think, or 2.53). Still 
it's slightly stale.

Note that 2.60 requires razor to be patched to work with razor.

5) there's a lot of custom rule design being done by some enthusiasts. 
There's no GAing or mass-checking of these rules yet, but some of the rules 
can be helpful in picking up a particular kind of new spam. www.exit0.us.





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Re: [SAtalk] new to spamassassin

[Dan]

Hey guys!

This works great! However, it seems to not throw a "SPAM" tag inot the logs
but says content reject. Can that be changed at all? I want to write some
shell scripts for reporting.

Thanks
Dan

- Original Message -
From: "Charles Gregory" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:59 AM
Subject: [SAtalk] new to spamassassin


> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Yackley, Matt wrote:
> > Scott,
> > This would probably be a little better & cleaner looking:
> > body LOCAL_SWEARWORD /\b(?:word1|word2|word3|word4)\b/i
>
> And in case anyone else unfamiliar with regex is wondering about that
> question mark followed by a colon - it is a special code that tells the
> regex not to save the 'back-reference' variable it would normally create
> containing whatever matched that portion of the regex in parentheses. It
> saves a few processing cycles each time you do this. In a large collection
> of tests, it can be significant.
>
> - Charles
>
>
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Re: [SAtalk] new to spamassassin

[Dan]

Sorry all,

I jumped the gun.

This does flag it as spam.

Thanks
Dan
- Original Message -
From: "Charles Gregory" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:59 AM
Subject: [SAtalk] new to spamassassin


> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Yackley, Matt wrote:
> > Scott,
> > This would probably be a little better & cleaner looking:
> > body LOCAL_SWEARWORD /\b(?:word1|word2|word3|word4)\b/i
>
> And in case anyone else unfamiliar with regex is wondering about that
> question mark followed by a colon - it is a special code that tells the
> regex not to save the 'back-reference' variable it would normally create
> containing whatever matched that portion of the regex in parentheses. It
> saves a few processing cycles each time you do this. In a large collection
> of tests, it can be significant.
>
> - Charles
>
>
>
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RE: [SAtalk] new to spamassassin

[Scott Harris]

 

> 
> >2. My compnay wants to block all swears (dont ask me why!) 
> How can this 
> >be done?
> 
> Write some custom rules with high scores:
> 
> bodyLOCAL_SWEARWORD1/\bf***\b/i
> score LOCAL_SWEARWORD1  10.0
> 
> Substitute f*** for your favorite swear word.. Be sure to 
> frame your swear words with \b's so you don't get bugs like 
> blocking "analog" when looking for "anal". Also be sure each 
> rule has a different name (ie: 
> LOCAL_SWEARWORD2, LOCAL_SWEARWORD3, etc)
> 
> Also be sure to run spamassassin --lint after adding rules to 
> check for typos.. SA can't complain about errors when 
> processing mail normally.
> 
> More rule-writing tips can be found at
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mkettler/sa/SA-rules-howto.txt
> 

I have a regex type question, I think, about local examples
like the on above.  Can you put multiple words on a single check
such as:

BodyLOCAL_SWEARWORD1/\bword1\b|\bword2\b|\betc..\b/i 

Thanks,

Scott



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Re: [SAtalk] new to spamassassin

[Matt Kettler]

At 12:58 PM 11/11/2003, Dan wrote:
1. I know spamassassin works on a point system, but does it learn as time
goes by?
IF you use the bayes subsystem, which is on by default but untrained as 
well, SA will engage in some automatic learning for the bayes rules. The 
remaining rules are static ones, and don't learn over time, but are updated 
whenever a new SA version is released.


2. My compnay wants to block all swears (dont ask me why!) How can this be
done?
Write some custom rules with high scores:

bodyLOCAL_SWEARWORD1/\bf***\b/i
score LOCAL_SWEARWORD1  10.0
Substitute f*** for your favorite swear word.. Be sure to frame your swear 
words with \b's so you don't get bugs like blocking "analog" when looking 
for "anal". Also be sure each rule has a different name (ie: 
LOCAL_SWEARWORD2, LOCAL_SWEARWORD3, etc)

Also be sure to run spamassassin --lint after adding rules to check for 
typos.. SA can't complain about errors when processing mail normally.

More rule-writing tips can be found at
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mkettler/sa/SA-rules-howto.txt

3. Does anyone know of a mangament system for blocked spam? For example, the
company I am in has 200+ people in the office. Lets say someones grandmother
sends them a email with a swear (as above) and it gets blocked. how can I
get that mail to them?
You could use MailScanner and have it quarantine any spams picked up by 
SA.. the spams wind in a quarantine directory, and you can manually queue 
them for delivery if you need to pass one on. Someone else might have a 
better suggestion, but that's what I can think of offhand.





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Re: [SAtalk] new to spamassassin

[Evan Platt]

--On Tuesday, November 11, 2003 9:58 AM -0800 Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> 1. I know spamassassin works on a point system, but does it learn as time
> goes by?

See the topics on SpamAssassin's Learn Feature. You'll need to feed it ham
and spam for it to learn.

> 2. My compnay wants to block all swears (dont ask me why!) How can this be
> done?

Procmail? SpamAssassin won't 'block' anything. Only tag it as spam. What
you do with tagged e-mail is up to you. I'd NEVER recommend 'blocking' any
e-mails. Last thing you want is a false positive to never reach the user.

You could create custom rules for swear words and assign them point scores.

> 3. Does anyone know of a mangament system for blocked spam? For example,
> the company I am in has 200+ people in the office. Lets say someones
> grandmother sends them a email with a swear (as above) and it gets
> blocked. how can I get that mail to them?

All depends on how you 'block' the spam.

Evan


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RE: [SAtalk] new to spamassassin and do not know what the heck I am doing!

[Jennifer Fountain]

I found these installaions and installed spamassassin via these:  

#ssh into raq
su -
mkdir /tmp/spamassassin
cd /tmp/spamassin
wget
http://spamassassin.taint.org/released/Mail-SpamAssassin-2.31.tar.gz
wget http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-module/Pod/podlators-1.22.tar.gz
wget http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/DEWEG/Time-HiRes-01.20.tar.gz
wget http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-module/Pod/PodParser-1.18.tar.gz
tar -xzvf Mail-SpamAssassin-2.31.tar.gz
tar -xzvf PodParser-1.18.tar.gz
tar -xzvf Time-HiRes-01.20.tar.gz
tar -xzvf podlators-1.22.tar.gz

cd PodParser-1.18
(perl ./Makefile.PL make;make test;make install)
cd ../podlators-1.22
(perl ./Makefile.PL make;make install)
cd ../Time-HiRes-01.20
(perl ./Makefile.PL make;make test;make install)
cd ../Mail-SpamAssassin-2.31
(perl ./Makefile.PL make;make test;make install UNINST=1)
cd /tmp
rm -r spamassassin

(note, I did download the latest prereq files)

are these installation instructions correct? will spamassassin work with
this install?

-Original Message-
From: List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:44 PM
To: Jennifer Fountain; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [SAtalk] new to spamassassin and do not know what the heck
I am doing!


Hi Jenn,

I don't know what your usage is but the following is a great howto.

http://lawmonkey.org/anti-spam.html


--Larry



>-Original Message-
>From: Jennifer Fountain

>I am reading the online help and googling but I am not getting a clear 
>picture as to what to do. :( Can anyone point me to a good - here's how

>to install spamassasin and configure it?
>I searched the archives but I might just be too stupid 'cause I can't
>find anything :(



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RE: [SAtalk] new to spamassassin and do not know what the heck I am doing!

[Larry Gilson]

I have not tried that install myself.  I have heard of others on the list
have good success.  I use RH so I use Theo's RPMs.

--Larry



>-Original Message-
>From: Jennifer Fountain

>I found these installaions and installed spamassassin via these:  
>
>#ssh into raq
>su -
>mkdir /tmp/spamassassin
>cd /tmp/spamassin
>wget
>http://spamassassin.taint.org/released/Mail-SpamAssassin-2.31.tar.gz
>wget http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-module/Pod/podlators-1.22.tar.gz
>wget http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/DEWEG/Time-HiRes-01.20.tar.gz
>wget http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-module/Pod/PodParser-1.18.tar.gz
>tar -xzvf Mail-SpamAssassin-2.31.tar.gz
>tar -xzvf PodParser-1.18.tar.gz
>tar -xzvf Time-HiRes-01.20.tar.gz
>tar -xzvf podlators-1.22.tar.gz
>
>cd PodParser-1.18
>(perl ./Makefile.PL make;make test;make install)
>cd ../podlators-1.22
>(perl ./Makefile.PL make;make install)
>cd ../Time-HiRes-01.20
>(perl ./Makefile.PL make;make test;make install)
>cd ../Mail-SpamAssassin-2.31
>(perl ./Makefile.PL make;make test;make install UNINST=1)
>cd /tmp
>rm -r spamassassin
>
>(note, I did download the latest prereq files)
>
>are these installation instructions correct? will spamassassin 
>work with this install?



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RE: [SAtalk] new to spamassassin and do not know what the heck I am doing!

[List]

Hi Jenn,

I don't know what your usage is but the following is a great howto.

http://lawmonkey.org/anti-spam.html


--Larry



>-Original Message-
>From: Jennifer Fountain

>I am reading the online help and googling but I am not getting a clear
>picture as to what to do. :(
>Can anyone point me to a good - here's how to install spamassasin and
>configure it?
>I searched the archives but I might just be too stupid 'cause I can't
>find anything :(



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