Re: [OSM-talk] Kosmos - new OSM map rendering engine

[Igor Brejc]

Yes, it breaks down when it tries to load the parking icon from the OSM 
wiki. You can see the rule on 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/KosmosStandardRules, parking 
icons are shown from the level 13.
You can solve this issue this way:
1. download the icon manually and save it somewhere
2. open Samples\RenderingRules.txt and then modify the URL of the 
ParkingNode rule to point to your local icon.

Do the same thing with the TrafficSignals node. Or just delete the two 
rules :)
I will add HTTP proxy settings in future versions so this should not be 
a problem anymore.

Thanks,
Igor

Milenko wrote:
> Just as an edit - this only happens with the sample project.  I loaded 
> my own .osm and it's rendering at level 17 right now.
>
> -Jeremy
>
> - Original Message - From: "Milenko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Igor Brejc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "OSM Talk List" 
> 
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 3:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Kosmos - new OSM map rendering engine
>
>
>> I get an error when zooming past level 13.  I am on a corporate LAN 
>> with an
>> authenticating proxy server and it seems to be trying to fetch something
>> from somewhere.  This happens in the gui when zooming in and as shown 
>> below
>> when trying to generate tiles:
>>
>> Kosmos Console v1.1.4.1 by Igor Brejc
>>
>> OpenStreetMap rendering application
>>
>> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 0.
>> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 1.
>> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 2.
>> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 3.
>> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 4.
>> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 5.
>> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 6.
>> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 7.
>> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 8.
>> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 9.
>> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 10.
>> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 11.
>> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 12.
>> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 13.
>>
>> ERROR: The remote server returned an error: (407) Proxy Authentication
>> Required.
>>
>>
>> Unhandled Exception: System.Net.WebException: The remote server 
>> returned an
>> erro
>> r: (407) Proxy Authentication Required.
>>   at System.Net.HttpWebRequest.GetResponse()
>>   at Kosmos.GdiMapPainting.GdiMapPainter.GetImage(Uri imageUrl)
>>   at Kosmos.GdiMapPainting.GdiMapPainterIconCommand.DoDraw(IMapView
>> mapView, Gr
>> aphics g, GdiMapPainterPaintingStage paintingStage)
>>   at Kosmos.GdiMapPainting.GdiMapPainterCommandBase.Draw(IMapView 
>> mapView,
>> Grap
>> hics g, GdiMapPainterPaintingStage paintingStage)
>>   at Kosmos.GdiMapPainting.GdiMapPainter.PaintMap(IMapView mapView)
>>   at Kosmos.DefaultTileRenderer.RenderTilesAsImage(String tileId, Double
>> firstT
>> ileLongitudeCenter, Double firstTileLatitudeCenter, Double 
>> mapZoomFactor)
>>   at Kosmos.TilesRenderingEngine.RenderMapTiles()
>>   at Kosmos.Console.KosmosTileGeneratingCommand.Execute()
>>   at Brejc.Common.Console.ConsoleApplicationBase.Run()
>>   at Kosmos.Console.Program.Main(String[] args)
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Igor Brejc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "OSM Talk List" 
>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:36 PM
>> Subject: [OSM-talk] Kosmos - new OSM map rendering engine
>>
>>
>>> Hello everybody,
>>>
>>> You are invited to test the new Kosmos map rendering engine for OSM:
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Kosmos
>>>
>>> Main features:
>>> - It's lightweight - no setup necessary (except .NET 2.0)
>>> - Windows application for interactive rendering
>>> - Can be used together with JOSM to display newly entered OSM data even
>>> before it is uploaded to OSM server
>>> - Includes map tiles generator
>>> - Includes Web tile map server and slippymap OpenLayers client
>>> - Rendering rules can be stored in OSM Wiki (see
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/KosmosStandardRules as example)
>>>
>>> Kosmos runs on Windows. If you're able to make it run on Linux, please
>>> let me know!
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Igor Brejc
>>>
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[OSM-talk] Miniature_golf RFC

[Adrian Moisey]

Hi

This is an RFC for the proposal of miniature_golf:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Miniature_Golf

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[OSM-talk] S3D

[Ian Haylock]

Just found this project :

http://s3d.berlios.de/

which includes s3dosm. A 3d navigation program based on openstreetmap data.

Don't think my laptop will be powerful enough for this, but maybe someone could 
try it.




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Re: [OSM-talk] Almost one way streets

[Alex S.]

Mattias Dalkvist wrote:
> I have come across several streets that are normal streets from one
> side and are no motor vehicles from the other side.
> 
> How do one tag this types of streets?

I would like to know, too, as there is one street in my area that is 
one-way for cars and has a separate two-way lane for non-motor traffic 
(bike, rollerblade, etc).


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Re: [OSM-talk] Kosmos - new OSM map rendering engine

[Milenko]

Just as an edit - this only happens with the sample project.  I loaded my 
own .osm and it's rendering at level 17 right now.

-Jeremy

- Original Message - 
From: "Milenko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Igor Brejc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "OSM Talk List" 

Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Kosmos - new OSM map rendering engine


>I get an error when zooming past level 13.  I am on a corporate LAN with an
> authenticating proxy server and it seems to be trying to fetch something
> from somewhere.  This happens in the gui when zooming in and as shown 
> below
> when trying to generate tiles:
>
> Kosmos Console v1.1.4.1 by Igor Brejc
>
> OpenStreetMap rendering application
>
> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 0.
> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 1.
> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 2.
> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 3.
> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 4.
> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 5.
> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 6.
> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 7.
> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 8.
> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 9.
> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 10.
> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 11.
> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 12.
> Started rendering tiles for zoom level 13.
>
> ERROR: The remote server returned an error: (407) Proxy Authentication
> Required.
>
>
> Unhandled Exception: System.Net.WebException: The remote server returned 
> an
> erro
> r: (407) Proxy Authentication Required.
>   at System.Net.HttpWebRequest.GetResponse()
>   at Kosmos.GdiMapPainting.GdiMapPainter.GetImage(Uri imageUrl)
>   at Kosmos.GdiMapPainting.GdiMapPainterIconCommand.DoDraw(IMapView
> mapView, Gr
> aphics g, GdiMapPainterPaintingStage paintingStage)
>   at Kosmos.GdiMapPainting.GdiMapPainterCommandBase.Draw(IMapView mapView,
> Grap
> hics g, GdiMapPainterPaintingStage paintingStage)
>   at Kosmos.GdiMapPainting.GdiMapPainter.PaintMap(IMapView mapView)
>   at Kosmos.DefaultTileRenderer.RenderTilesAsImage(String tileId, Double
> firstT
> ileLongitudeCenter, Double firstTileLatitudeCenter, Double mapZoomFactor)
>   at Kosmos.TilesRenderingEngine.RenderMapTiles()
>   at Kosmos.Console.KosmosTileGeneratingCommand.Execute()
>   at Brejc.Common.Console.ConsoleApplicationBase.Run()
>   at Kosmos.Console.Program.Main(String[] args)
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Igor Brejc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "OSM Talk List" 
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:36 PM
> Subject: [OSM-talk] Kosmos - new OSM map rendering engine
>
>
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> You are invited to test the new Kosmos map rendering engine for OSM:
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Kosmos
>>
>> Main features:
>> - It's lightweight - no setup necessary (except .NET 2.0)
>> - Windows application for interactive rendering
>> - Can be used together with JOSM to display newly entered OSM data even
>> before it is uploaded to OSM server
>> - Includes map tiles generator
>> - Includes Web tile map server and slippymap OpenLayers client
>> - Rendering rules can be stored in OSM Wiki (see
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/KosmosStandardRules as example)
>>
>> Kosmos runs on Windows. If you're able to make it run on Linux, please
>> let me know!
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Igor Brejc
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Kosmos - new OSM map rendering engine

[Milenko]

I get an error when zooming past level 13.  I am on a corporate LAN with an 
authenticating proxy server and it seems to be trying to fetch something 
from somewhere.  This happens in the gui when zooming in and as shown below 
when trying to generate tiles:

Kosmos Console v1.1.4.1 by Igor Brejc

OpenStreetMap rendering application

Started rendering tiles for zoom level 0.
Started rendering tiles for zoom level 1.
Started rendering tiles for zoom level 2.
Started rendering tiles for zoom level 3.
Started rendering tiles for zoom level 4.
Started rendering tiles for zoom level 5.
Started rendering tiles for zoom level 6.
Started rendering tiles for zoom level 7.
Started rendering tiles for zoom level 8.
Started rendering tiles for zoom level 9.
Started rendering tiles for zoom level 10.
Started rendering tiles for zoom level 11.
Started rendering tiles for zoom level 12.
Started rendering tiles for zoom level 13.

ERROR: The remote server returned an error: (407) Proxy Authentication 
Required.


Unhandled Exception: System.Net.WebException: The remote server returned an 
erro
r: (407) Proxy Authentication Required.
   at System.Net.HttpWebRequest.GetResponse()
   at Kosmos.GdiMapPainting.GdiMapPainter.GetImage(Uri imageUrl)
   at Kosmos.GdiMapPainting.GdiMapPainterIconCommand.DoDraw(IMapView 
mapView, Gr
aphics g, GdiMapPainterPaintingStage paintingStage)
   at Kosmos.GdiMapPainting.GdiMapPainterCommandBase.Draw(IMapView mapView, 
Grap
hics g, GdiMapPainterPaintingStage paintingStage)
   at Kosmos.GdiMapPainting.GdiMapPainter.PaintMap(IMapView mapView)
   at Kosmos.DefaultTileRenderer.RenderTilesAsImage(String tileId, Double 
firstT
ileLongitudeCenter, Double firstTileLatitudeCenter, Double mapZoomFactor)
   at Kosmos.TilesRenderingEngine.RenderMapTiles()
   at Kosmos.Console.KosmosTileGeneratingCommand.Execute()
   at Brejc.Common.Console.ConsoleApplicationBase.Run()
   at Kosmos.Console.Program.Main(String[] args)

- Original Message - 
From: "Igor Brejc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "OSM Talk List" 
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:36 PM
Subject: [OSM-talk] Kosmos - new OSM map rendering engine


> Hello everybody,
>
> You are invited to test the new Kosmos map rendering engine for OSM:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Kosmos
>
> Main features:
> - It's lightweight - no setup necessary (except .NET 2.0)
> - Windows application for interactive rendering
> - Can be used together with JOSM to display newly entered OSM data even
> before it is uploaded to OSM server
> - Includes map tiles generator
> - Includes Web tile map server and slippymap OpenLayers client
> - Rendering rules can be stored in OSM Wiki (see
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/KosmosStandardRules as example)
>
> Kosmos runs on Windows. If you're able to make it run on Linux, please
> let me know!
>
> Best regards,
> Igor Brejc
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Almost one way streets

[Mike Collinson]

At 05:24 PM 4/01/2008, bvh wrote:
>On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 04:45:01PM +, Gregory wrote:
>> Why are they different to one way streets? Because they don't have the one
>> way sign where you go in?
>
>No, because they are one-way streets for cars, but not for
>(man-powered) bikes. Those are common at least in the Netherlands and
>Belgium.
>
>cu bart

oneway=yes
cycleway=opposite

?

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Map_Features#Cycleway

"just permitted to cycle in the opposite way (one way street except for 
cycles). Note - such streets are common in Belgium, the Netherlands and 
Denmark, for example, but are rare in the UK (although they do exist): often, 
instead, actually the street is two-way as normal for its whole length except 
for the very short section past the no-entry sign at the end, where cycles are 
excepted from the no-entry by means of a short lane separated by an island. 
This is called a "cycle plug". In some places this has been represented as very 
short oneway Way at the end with an adjacent cycleway, forming a little 
triangle with the road they join to." 



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Re: [OSM-talk] Kosmos - new OSM map rendering engine

[Alex Mauer]

Igor Brejc wrote:
> Kosmos runs on Windows. If you're able to make it run on Linux, please 
> let me know!

It starts and runs using mono.

On startup, the following is printed at the console:
log4net:ERROR XmlHierarchyConfigurator: Could not create Appender
[RollingFile] of type [log4net.Appender.RollingFileAppender]. Reported
error follows.
System.IO.DirectoryNotFoundException: Could not find a part of the path
"/home/amauer/Desktop/Kosmos"
  at System.IO.Directory.GetFileSystemEntries (System.String path,
System.String pattern, FileAttributes mask, FileAttributes attrs) [0x0]
  at System.IO.Directory.GetFiles (System.String path, System.String
pattern) [0x0]
  at log4net.Appender.RollingFileAppender.GetExistingFiles
(System.String baseFilePath) [0x0]
  at log4net.Appender.RollingFileAppender.DetermineCurSizeRollBackups ()
[0x0]
  at log4net.Appender.RollingFileAppender.ExistingInit () [0x0]
  at log4net.Appender.RollingFileAppender.ActivateOptions () [0x0]
  at log4net.Repository.Hierarchy.XmlHierarchyConfigurator.ParseAppender
(System.Xml.XmlElement appenderElement) [0x0]
log4net:ERROR XmlHierarchyConfigurator: Appender named [RollingFile] not
found.



Loading the sample project gives the below error.  I tried switching the
\ in the file to /, but it didn't help.

Unhandled Exception: System.UriFormatException: Invalid URI: The format
of the URI could not be determined.
  at System.Uri..ctor (System.String uriString, UriKind uriKind) [0x0]
  at System.Uri.IsWellFormedUriString (System.String uriString, UriKind
uriKind) [0x0]
  at Kosmos.KosmosProject.Load (System.String fileName) [0x0]
  at Kosmos.Presenters.MapPresenter.LoadProject (System.String
projectFile) [0x0]
  at Kosmos.Presenters.MapPresenter.OnOpenProject () [0x0]
  at Kosmos.Forms.MapForm.openProjectToolStripMenuItem_Click
(System.Object sender, System.EventArgs e) [0x0]
  at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.OnClick (System.EventArgs e)
[0x0]
  at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripMenuItem.OnClick (System.EventArgs e)
[0x0]
  at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripMenuItem.HandleClick
(System.EventArgs e) [0x0]
  at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.FireEvent (System.EventArgs e,
ToolStripItemEventType met) [0x0]
  at (wrapper remoting-invoke-with-check)
System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem:FireEvent
(System.EventArgs,System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItemEventType)
  at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStrip.OnMouseUp
(System.Windows.Forms.MouseEventArgs mea) [0x0]
  at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripDropDown.OnMouseUp
(System.Windows.Forms.MouseEventArgs mea) [0x0]
  at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmLButtonUp
(System.Windows.Forms.Message& m) [0x0]
  at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc (System.Windows.Forms.Message&
m) [0x0]
  at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc
(System.Windows.Forms.Message& m) [0x0]
  at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStrip.WndProc
(System.Windows.Forms.Message& m) [0x0]
  at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripDropDown.WndProc
(System.Windows.Forms.Message& m) [0x0]
  at System.Windows.Forms.Control+ControlWindowTarget.OnMessage
(System.Windows.Forms.Message& m) [0x0]
  at System.Windows.Forms.Control+ControlNativeWindow.WndProc
(System.Windows.Forms.Message& m) [0x0]
  at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.WndProc (IntPtr hWnd, Msg msg,
IntPtr wParam, IntPtr lParam) [0x0]
  at System.Windows.Forms.XplatUIX11.DispatchMessage
(System.Windows.Forms.MSG& msg) [0x0]
  at System.Windows.Forms.XplatUI.DispatchMessage
(System.Windows.Forms.MSG& msg) [0x0]
  at System.Windows.Forms.Application.RunLoop (Boolean Modal,
System.Windows.Forms.ApplicationContext context) [0x0]
  at System.Windows.Forms.Application.Run
(System.Windows.Forms.ApplicationContext context) [0x0]
  at System.Windows.Forms.Application.Run (System.Windows.Forms.Form
mainForm) [0x0]
  at Kosmos.Gui.Program.Main (System.String[] args) [0x0]

Trying to run the tile server with the sample file gives a similar error.



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[OSM-talk] RFC: Access: namespace

[Alex Mauer]

Please comment on the following proposal:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/access:_name_space

-Alex Mauer "hawke"



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[OSM-talk] Kosmos - new OSM map rendering engine

[Igor Brejc]

Hello everybody,

You are invited to test the new Kosmos map rendering engine for OSM: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Kosmos

Main features:
- It's lightweight - no setup necessary (except .NET 2.0)
- Windows application for interactive rendering
- Can be used together with JOSM to display newly entered OSM data even 
before it is uploaded to OSM server
- Includes map tiles generator
- Includes Web tile map server and slippymap OpenLayers client
- Rendering rules can be stored in OSM Wiki (see 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/KosmosStandardRules as example)

Kosmos runs on Windows. If you're able to make it run on Linux, please 
let me know!

Best regards,
Igor Brejc

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[OSM-talk] RFC: Piste

[Alex Mauer]

I think I've finally got the difficulty ratings right on the Piste proposal.

Please comment at:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Piste_Maps

Thanks

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[OSM-talk] RFC: barriers

[Alex Mauer]

I've modified the proposal at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/barriers#Rationale
to address or clarify most of the problems raised over the last 6 months.

Please comment on the proposal.  In particular,  naming suggestsions for
a newly-suggested barrier type would be good.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Almost one way streets

[Lester Caine]

Gregory wrote:
> On 04/01/2008, *Mattias Dalkvist* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> 
> I have come across several streets that are normal streets from one
> side and are no motor vehicles from the other side.
> 
> How do one tag this types of streets?
> 
> --
> Mattias Dalkvist
> 
> Why are they different to one way streets? Because they don't have the 
> one way sign where you go in?
> Then I would guess a short oneway segment/way at the end with the 
> no-entry sign. If you make it very short I'm not sure you'd be able to 
> see the directional arrow, but at least the data is there and route 
> software could see that.

I presume Mattias may be talking about roads that have restricted access. That 
is you can turn into them when on the same side of the joining road, but not 
from the other side of the road. We have a couple around here that this 
applies to during morning or evening rush hour only, to stop a queue building 
up when the on-coming traffic is heavy. So the joining road is not one-way, 
only access is restricted.
Was that the problem Mattias?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Almost one way streets

[bvh]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 04:45:01PM +, Gregory wrote:
> Why are they different to one way streets? Because they don't have the one
> way sign where you go in?

No, because they are one-way streets for cars, but not for
(man-powered) bikes. Those are common at least in the Netherlands and
Belgium.

cu bart

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Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM upload failure

[Gregory]

>
>
> All this is correct. The one thing you must NOT do is this:
>
> * enter lots of data
> * save
> * upload
> * upload stops due to network problem
> * quit JOSM
> * restart JOSM
> * load file
> * upload <-- NOT!
>
> Because your saved file does not contain information about what was
> uploaded and what wasn't, it will upload everything again, leading to
> duplication of items in the database.
>
> After a failed upload, either re-try the upload right away without
> quitting JOSM, or save your work AFTER the failed upload and then use
> the saved file in a later attempt.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
>

That's helpful, I was just sitting here keeping it open and going
Connection->Upload a moment later ( i figured it must have some thing to
know where it was at, but didnt want to save/quit)

Seems as soon as I get to the e-mail to ask if JOSM is okay, it starts
uploading again! Let's hope it all goes through this time...

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Re: [OSM-talk] My Openstreetmap talk at 24C3

[Andy Robinson (blackadder)]

Gregory wrote:
>Sent: 04 January 2008 4:37 PM
>To: talk@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] My Openstreetmap talk at 24C3
>
>
>
>On 04/01/2008, Frédéric Bonifas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   I have also proposed another one on the wiki :
>   http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Image:Nightclub.png
>   But nightclubs perhaps don't have the same meaning everywhere :)
>
>   Frédéric
>
>   2008/1/4, Joerg Ostertag (OSM Munich/Germany)
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>   > ...
>   >
>   > > /grabs Nikon D80, and puts in a phonecall to the Dominatrixes
>I've seen
>   > > at the Copenhagen CitySwingers Club.
>   > >
>   > > (Alas, there's no icons in the Mapnik or Osmarender stylesheets
>for
>   > > Nightclubs,
>   >
>   > There already is already an icon in our svn ...
>   > http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/share/map-
>icons/classic.big/recreation/nightclub.png
>   >
>   > So it's your turn to add it to the configs 
>   >
>   > -
>   > Joerg
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>What about private night clubs etc. (members only).
>There are a couple of places here that used to be for staff at the water
>works down the road. Now they're members only water boards.
>
>In Durham there are 16 college bars only open to students (some nights only
>open to students at that college).
>I could tag them as amenity=pub access=private (or access=students,
>access=members etc), but I think renderers will ignore the access tag for
>pubs and really such places should not be shown (or a beer covered in a no-
>entry sign if you must).
>
>I do want to tag these up as they are amenities for most of the city's
>population and would be shown if I ever get round to my own
>Durham/University map. Should I just go with something completly diferent
>like 'university:amenity=college_bar' ?
>
I've been tagging these as amenity/building=social_club

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Re: [OSM-talk] Almost one way streets

[Gregory]

On 04/01/2008, Mattias Dalkvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have come across several streets that are normal streets from one
> side and are no motor vehicles from the other side.
>
> How do one tag this types of streets?
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Why are they different to one way streets? Because they don't have the one
way sign where you go in?
Then I would guess a short oneway segment/way at the end with the no-entry
sign. If you make it very short I'm not sure you'd be able to see the
directional arrow, but at least the data is there and route software could
see that.

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Re: [OSM-talk] My Openstreetmap talk at 24C3

[Gregory]

On 04/01/2008, Frédéric Bonifas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have also proposed another one on the wiki :
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Image:Nightclub.png
> But nightclubs perhaps don't have the same meaning everywhere :)
>
> Frédéric
>
> 2008/1/4, Joerg Ostertag (OSM Munich/Germany) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >:
> > ...
> >
> > > /grabs Nikon D80, and puts in a phonecall to the Dominatrixes I've
> seen
> > > at the Copenhagen CitySwingers Club.
> > >
> > > (Alas, there's no icons in the Mapnik or Osmarender stylesheets for
> > > Nightclubs,
> >
> > There already is already an icon in our svn ...
> >
> http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/share/map-icons/classic.big/recreation/nightclub.png
> >
> > So it's your turn to add it to the configs 
> >
> > -
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What about private night clubs etc. (members only).
There are a couple of places here that used to be for staff at the water
works down the road. Now they're members only water boards.

In Durham there are 16 college bars only open to students (some nights only
open to students at that college).
I could tag them as amenity=pub access=private (or access=students,
access=members etc), but I think renderers will ignore the access tag for
pubs and really such places should not be shown (or a beer covered in a
no-entry sign if you must).

I do want to tag these up as they are amenities for most of the city's
population and would be shown if I ever get round to my own
Durham/University map. Should I just go with something completly diferent
like 'university:amenity=college_bar' ?

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Re: [OSM-talk] My Openstreetmap talk at 24C3

[J.D. Schmidt]

I'll let it come up for a vote - Which icon would look best, when andy 
is included on it. That will be the one used. ;)

Dutch

Frédéric Bonifas skrev:
> I have also proposed another one on the wiki :
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Image:Nightclub.png
> But nightclubs perhaps don't have the same meaning everywhere :)
> 
> Frédéric
> 
> 2008/1/4, Joerg Ostertag (OSM Munich/Germany) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> ...
>>
>>> /grabs Nikon D80, and puts in a phonecall to the Dominatrixes I've seen
>>> at the Copenhagen CitySwingers Club.
>>>
>>> (Alas, there's no icons in the Mapnik or Osmarender stylesheets for
>>> Nightclubs,
>> There already is already an icon in our svn ...
>> http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/share/map-icons/classic.big/recreation/nightclub.png
>>
>> So it's your turn to add it to the configs 
>>
>> -
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Re: [OSM-talk] redundant proposal? - man_made=fenced_compounds

[Michael Collinson]

The current system has really relied on the original proposer to come 
back and keep their proposal moving along ... but that doesn't always 
happen.  Robin, Ulfl (thanks guys) and to much lesser extent myself 
have been working to hustle things a long a bit more and do the page 
maintenance required and the backlog is going down.

The waterway=riverbank page got a good clean-up in October but hasn't 
moved since.  It was actually a bad example by me of a tag in the 
"Works in Progress/Pending" hospital as it is in fact listed twice on 
the page, I've just remedied that.

Mike
Stockholm

At 04:09 PM 1/4/2008, Chris Hill wrote:
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
>
>Is there a reason why the waterway=riverbank has not gone through 
>voting?  With the multipolygon relation for islands it seems to work well.
>cheers,
>Chris
>
>- Original Message 
> > From: Michael Collinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: talk@openstreetmap.org
> > Sent: Friday, 4 January, 2008 8:25:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] redundant proposal? - man_made=fenced_compounds
> >
> > At 01:22 AM 1/4/2008, Robin Paulson wrote:
> > >in my quest to tidy the proposals page on the wiki, some proposals
> > >have come up which appear to be redundant
> > >
> > >is there an acknowledged way of removing them, without going through
> > >the whole comments/opinions/voting process?
> > >
> > >http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Fenced_compounds
> > >
> > >is a good example
> > >
> > >thanks
> >
> > Ye, it would certainly be good to be more aggressive in cleaning up
> > up the Proposals page, it is hard to casually browse for
> > "live"
> >
>  proposals.
> >
> > Currently, the only mechanism is to move proposals into the "Needs
> > cleanup/modification" and "Works in Progress/Pending" sections at the
> > bottom - which are roughly equivalent to the place sick proposals go
> > to
> >
>  die.
> >
> > I propose:
> >
> > 1) Mark redundant proposals with "This proposal appears to be
> > redundant or duplicated.  Unless there are any objections it will be
> > removed on or after dd-mm-" and leave it there until you or
> > someone else is next doing a clean-up round.
> >
> > 2) More generally, any proposal that has been there for more than a
> > year (see the pages "history" tab) be removed.  Looking at a few
> > other proposals, this may be a little too aggressive as the
> > "riverbank"
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Large_rivers
> > proposal would go (or perhaps is should?).   An alternative would be
> > to remove any proposal that has been there a year and had no
> > substantive activity for 6 months.
> >
> > Here the dates for your example:
> >
> > Created - 29 August 2006
> > Last substantive comment - Dec 2006
> > Last comment of any kind - Apr 2007
> >
> > Mike
> > Stockholm
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk] My Openstreetmap talk at 24C3

[Frédéric Bonifas]

I have also proposed another one on the wiki :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Image:Nightclub.png
But nightclubs perhaps don't have the same meaning everywhere :)

Frédéric

2008/1/4, Joerg Ostertag (OSM Munich/Germany) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> ...
>
> > /grabs Nikon D80, and puts in a phonecall to the Dominatrixes I've seen
> > at the Copenhagen CitySwingers Club.
> >
> > (Alas, there's no icons in the Mapnik or Osmarender stylesheets for
> > Nightclubs,
>
> There already is already an icon in our svn ...
> http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/share/map-icons/classic.big/recreation/nightclub.png
>
> So it's your turn to add it to the configs 
>
> -
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Re: [OSM-talk] My Openstreetmap talk at 24C3

[Joerg Ostertag (OSM Munich/Germany)]

...

> /grabs Nikon D80, and puts in a phonecall to the Dominatrixes I've seen
> at the Copenhagen CitySwingers Club.
>
> (Alas, there's no icons in the Mapnik or Osmarender stylesheets for
> Nightclubs, 

There already is already an icon in our svn ...
http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/share/map-icons/classic.big/recreation/nightclub.png

So it's your turn to add it to the configs 

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Re: [OSM-talk] redundant proposal? - man_made=fenced_compounds

[Chris Hill]

Is there a reason why the waterway=riverbank has not gone through voting?  With 
the multipolygon relation for islands it seems to work well. 
cheers, 
Chris

- Original Message 
> From: Michael Collinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: talk@openstreetmap.org
> Sent: Friday, 4 January, 2008 8:25:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] redundant proposal? - man_made=fenced_compounds
> 
> At 01:22 AM 1/4/2008, Robin Paulson wrote:
> >in my quest to tidy the proposals page on the wiki, some proposals
> >have come up which appear to be redundant
> >
> >is there an acknowledged way of removing them, without going through
> >the whole comments/opinions/voting process?
> >
> >http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Fenced_compounds
> >
> >is a good example
> >
> >thanks
> 
> Ye, it would certainly be good to be more aggressive in cleaning up 
> up the Proposals page, it is hard to casually browse for
> "live"
> 
 proposals.
> 
> Currently, the only mechanism is to move proposals into the "Needs 
> cleanup/modification" and "Works in Progress/Pending" sections at the 
> bottom - which are roughly equivalent to the place sick proposals go
> to
> 
 die.
> 
> I propose:
> 
> 1) Mark redundant proposals with "This proposal appears to be 
> redundant or duplicated.  Unless there are any objections it will be 
> removed on or after dd-mm-" and leave it there until you or 
> someone else is next doing a clean-up round.
> 
> 2) More generally, any proposal that has been there for more than a 
> year (see the pages "history" tab) be removed.  Looking at a few 
> other proposals, this may be a little too aggressive as the 
> "riverbank" 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Large_rivers 
> proposal would go (or perhaps is should?).   An alternative would be 
> to remove any proposal that has been there a year and had no 
> substantive activity for 6 months.
> 
> Here the dates for your example:
> 
> Created - 29 August 2006
> Last substantive comment - Dec 2006
> Last comment of any kind - Apr 2007
> 
> Mike
> Stockholm 
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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] curves

[Artem Pavlenko]

On 4 Jan 2008, at 13:41, bvh wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:16:47PM +, Artem Pavlenko wrote:
>> What people think about explicitly supporting curves as a part of
>> geometry model? This way we can model the world better.
>
> I would be heavily in favor of it. IMHO the simplest way to do this
> is best.
>
> What I could see working is something like this :
>
> we define a standard interpolation method that turns a set of point  
> into
> a sucession of bezier curves. (for an example see
> http://www.antigrain.com/research/bezier_interpolation/index.html)
> I understand you have already implemented another on the fly
> algorithm in mapnik, we could use that as well.

mapnik is using AGG for rendering, so yes, this is exactly what I'm  
doing :)

>
> next there is a smooth=yes tag that would mean : apply the smoothing
> on this road.
>
> The big advantage is : no change is necessary on our data model.
> Maintained tools can implement support for this on their own pace.
> Old tools that don't know about smooth ways keep working. And
> since we are only adding capabilities we are sure this introduces
> no regressions (ie, everything that worked before keeps on working)
>
I agree, this is a less destructive solution.
> The only disadvantage is that over time, people working with
> editors with smoothing support are going to add ways with very
> little points, possibly resulting in choppy maps on renders
> that don't know (yet) how to deal with the smooth tag.

Or an opposite, people will be adding too many vertices in editors  
that are lacking support for bezier interpolation..

>
>> P.S. Are there some hints (tags) in OSM that can be used for to
>> smooth or not?
>
> No, so I proposed one
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/smooth

Great, I'll have a look later on.
>
>> Also, are there are examples where it does work well and where it
>> doesn't?
>
> I see two problematic cases with this approach : assuming you have
> one flowing road that you've split up in multiple ways for
> whatever reason. Now there could be a tangential discontinuity
> at the junction point. I feel this is more a theoretical problem.
> In practice people will probably put two
> extra nodes close to the junction point to 'guide' the tangential
> direction at both ends if the break is visually disturbing.
>
> The other case is related : assuming a flowing road with one
> sharp corner. Whereas now you just lay it out as one way, you might
> want to split this road to preserve the sharp corner in my proposal.
>
> Not a big deal either : in the worst case you can still fall back
> to an ordinary way and just add a bootload of points to make it
> appear smooth as we do now.

Sounds good to me.
Artem
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[OSM-talk] Potlatch suggestions (footpaths etc)

[Nick Whitelegg]

Hello Richard, (and others?)

A couple of Potlatch suggestions for footpaths etc - what do you think?

1. Would be good to colour all types of path differently according to 
precisely what they are (as in JOSM mappaint for example) e.g. footpaths 
green, bridleways brown, byways red.

2. Would suggest the following for footpath presets:

"public footpath" => (highway footway, foot yes)
"public bridleway" => (highway bridleway,foot yes, horse yes, bicycle yes)
"byway" => (highway byway, foot yes, horse yes, bicycle yes, motorcar yes)
"restricted byway" => as for byway but motorcar=no
"permissive footpath" => (highway footway, foot permisive)
"permissive bridleway" => (highway bridleway, foot permissive, horse 
permissive)
"path" => (highway footway) - intended for paths where it's not known if it's 
public or permissive

Nick

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Spring and summer UK countryside mapping parties

[80n]

Nick
March 29/30 is a definite No.  April 19/20 is a highly probable Yes.

Etienne

On Jan 4, 2008 2:31 PM, Nick Whitelegg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Friday 04 Jan 2008 12:59, you wrote:
> > Nick Whitelegg wrote:
> > > 1. The Southwest Surrey Mapping Party, or "Fill The Gap III"
> (following
> > > on like to propose a mapping party to close that gap, pencilling in
> the
> > > weekend of April 5/6 (two weeks after Easter).
> >
> > I'd also prefer it to be a little later in the year, but could probably
> > take part.
>
> OK I'll suggest either March 29/30 (one week after Easter) or April 19/20
> (four weeks after Easter). Etienne - could you make the latter?
>
> Nick
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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] curves

[bvh]

On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:16:47PM +, Artem Pavlenko wrote:
> What people think about explicitly supporting curves as a part of  
> geometry model? This way we can model the world better.

I would be heavily in favor of it. IMHO the simplest way to do this
is best.

What I could see working is something like this :

we define a standard interpolation method that turns a set of point into
a sucession of bezier curves. (for an example see
http://www.antigrain.com/research/bezier_interpolation/index.html)
I understand you have already implemented another on the fly
algorithm in mapnik, we could use that as well.

next there is a smooth=yes tag that would mean : apply the smoothing
on this road.

The big advantage is : no change is necessary on our data model.
Maintained tools can implement support for this on their own pace.
Old tools that don't know about smooth ways keep working. And
since we are only adding capabilities we are sure this introduces
no regressions (ie, everything that worked before keeps on working)

The only disadvantage is that over time, people working with
editors with smoothing support are going to add ways with very
little points, possibly resulting in choppy maps on renders
that don't know (yet) how to deal with the smooth tag.

> P.S. Are there some hints (tags) in OSM that can be used for to  
> smooth or not?

No, so I proposed one

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/smooth

> Also, are there are examples where it does work well and where it  
> doesn't?

I see two problematic cases with this approach : assuming you have
one flowing road that you've split up in multiple ways for
whatever reason. Now there could be a tangential discontinuity
at the junction point. I feel this is more a theoretical problem.
In practice people will probably put two
extra nodes close to the junction point to 'guide' the tangential
direction at both ends if the break is visually disturbing. 

The other case is related : assuming a flowing road with one
sharp corner. Whereas now you just lay it out as one way, you might
want to split this road to preserve the sharp corner in my proposal.

Not a big deal either : in the worst case you can still fall back
to an ordinary way and just add a bootload of points to make it
appear smooth as we do now.

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Spring and summer UK countryside mapping parties

[Nick Whitelegg]

On Friday 04 Jan 2008 12:59, you wrote:
> Nick Whitelegg wrote:
> > 1. The Southwest Surrey Mapping Party, or "Fill The Gap III" (following
> > on like to propose a mapping party to close that gap, pencilling in the
> > weekend of April 5/6 (two weeks after Easter).
>
> I'd also prefer it to be a little later in the year, but could probably
> take part.

OK I'll suggest either March 29/30 (one week after Easter) or April 19/20 
(four weeks after Easter). Etienne - could you make the latter?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Osmxapi is up

[Milenko]

Great - thanks for all the work involved in getting it working again.

Hope you had a relaxing vacation.

-Jeremy

  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:33 AM
  Subject: [OSM-talk] Osmxapi is up


  After a long seasonal break Osmxapi is now up and running again.

  The server it was running on (hypercube.telascience.org) lost its disk on 19 
December.  Which also happened to be the day I went on vacation.  When the disk 
was restored Osmxapi wouldn't restart because it needed a database check.  So 
it stayed down until I returned from vacation. 

  By the time I returned the hourly diff files had been purged up to December 
25 meaning Osmxapi would not have changes for the period 19-25 December.  So I 
started a rebuild from planet.osm.  Planet is now large enough that it takes 
several days to do a complete rebuild.  However, since Brett had also fixed the 
UTF-8 bug in the Osmosis hourly diffs it was also worth doing the rebuild to 
get rid of all those UTF-8 problems that had been introduced. 

  So now we have a fresh clean Osmxapi database with no UTF-8 problems (I hope).

  Enjoy
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Re: [OSM-talk] My Openstreetmap talk at 24C3

[J.D. Schmidt]

Andy Robinson (blackadder) skrev:
>> Frederik Ramm skrev:
>>> This means that people interested in OSM either have a good sex life
>>> already or, uh, never mind.
>> Of course we do. I have personally mapped all the roads leading to all
>> the Swingersclubs, and all the surefire singles-bar pickup-spots in
>> Copenhagen. Is that proof enough ?? ;)
> 
> Looking forward to seeing openswingersmap.org when it's ready ;-)
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Andy

I'm need som help making the graphic logo for openswingersmap.org. You 
volunteering to help creating it ?

/grabs Nikon D80, and puts in a phonecall to the Dominatrixes I've seen 
at the Copenhagen CitySwingers Club.

(Alas, there's no icons in the Mapnik or Osmarender stylesheets for 
Nightclubs, nor for the more randy adult entertaintmentplaces such as 
Swingersclubs, stripjoints, etc.

So the clubs ain't rendered on the OpenStreetMap.org sites. But trust 
me, they are in the DB ;) )

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Party] Spring and summer UK countryside mapping parties

[Nick Whitelegg]

On Friday 04 Jan 2008 11:22, you wrote:
> Nick
> The Southwest Surrey Mapping Party idea would work for me, but April 5/6
> wouldn't.  That's the start of school holidays so I'll probably be away at
> that time.
>
> 80n
>

Hello Etienne,

The start of school holidays - they no longer follow the date of Easter? Our 
(univeristy) holidays are actually March 8th-29th, we're back then! Could 
move it to one week earlier or later in April, will put up a wiki page.

Nick

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[OSM-talk] Almost one way streets

[Mattias Dalkvist]

I have come across several streets that are normal streets from one
side and are no motor vehicles from the other side.

How do one tag this types of streets?

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Re: [OSM-talk] [EMAIL PROTECTED] memory issues ?

[Michael Collinson]

Glad to hear that you've resolved this - I can own up now :-) 
.  Central Sydney was, BTW, my test bed to produce a very detailed 
visual pleasing map useful for tourists so a good test case.


Mike
Stockholm


At 09:57 AM 1/4/2008, Franc Carter wrote:


Just so it's 'recorded somewhere' ;-)

I resolved this - I needed more than 4GB of memory, I added another 4GB
of swap (3GB real memory, 5GB swap) and the tile generated.

cheers

On Dec 28, 2007 7:37 AM, Franc Carter 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi,

I've just upgraded my main machine to 3GB of RAM and put
a new the latest version of tilesAtHome (Linux) to try to do
some rendering - The centre of Sydney (3768,2458) bombs
out with what looks like a memory issue:-

Too many heap sections: Increase MAXHINCR or MAX_HEAP_SECTS

Any ideas on what's wrong ?

thanks

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Re: [OSM-talk] My Openstreetmap talk at 24C3

[Andy Robinson (blackadder)]

J.D. Schmidt
>Sent: 04 January 2008 11:47 AM
>To: Frederik Ramm
>Cc: Talk Openstreetmap
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] My Openstreetmap talk at 24C3
>
>Frederik Ramm skrev:
>> This means that people interested in OSM either have a good sex life
>> already or, uh, never mind.
>
>Of course we do. I have personally mapped all the roads leading to all
>the Swingersclubs, and all the surefire singles-bar pickup-spots in
>Copenhagen. Is that proof enough ?? ;)

Looking forward to seeing openswingersmap.org when it's ready ;-)

Cheers

Andy


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Re: [OSM-talk] My Openstreetmap talk at 24C3

[J.D. Schmidt]

Frederik Ramm skrev:
> It i s going to be a "real" book, German Language, about 300 pages,  
> and aims to have everything the would-be mapper needs to get going,  
> as well as an overview about the technical background of the project  
> (i.e. data model, XML, and stuff). We assume it is going to hit the  
> market some time in February.

Try to get your publisher to sign a deal with a GPSdevice supplier, such 
as Magellan, Garmin, or similar. Such a book just begs to have a GPS 
device bundled with it.

Dutch

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Re: [OSM-talk] My Openstreetmap talk at 24C3

[J.D. Schmidt]

Frederik Ramm skrev:
> This means that people interested in OSM either have a good sex life  
> already or, uh, never mind.

Of course we do. I have personally mapped all the roads leading to all 
the Swingersclubs, and all the surefire singles-bar pickup-spots in 
Copenhagen. Is that proof enough ?? ;)

Dutch

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Re: [OSM-talk] more votes requested - man_made=sub_station

[Ulf Lamping]

Robin Paulson schrieb:
> On 04/01/2008, Brent Easton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> You don't need any more votes. If there are no negative votes, then 6 Yes's 
>> is enough to approve it.
>> 
> it is? oh, i thought it was 10. 6 seems awfully low
>
> thanks though, wil move it across to approved
>   
See 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features#Discussion_and_Voting 
:-)

Regards, ULFL

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Party] Spring and summer UK countryside mapping parties

[80n]

Nick
The Southwest Surrey Mapping Party idea would work for me, but April 5/6
wouldn't.  That's the start of school holidays so I'll probably be away at
that time.

80n


On Jan 4, 2008 10:58 AM, Nick Whitelegg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Well, it's that time of year again I guess where our thoughts turn
> thoroughly
> to the upcoming spring and summer, and I'd like to suggest a couple of UK
> outdoors-orientated mapping parties.
>
> 1. The Southwest Surrey Mapping Party, or "Fill The Gap III" (following on
> from  Richmond and East Hants). At the moment there exists a gap of about
> 10
> miles between the SW London/Guildford well-mapped area and the
> Haslemere-Petersfield-Midhurst triangle (the original home of Freemap).
> I'd
> like to propose a mapping party to close that gap, pencilling in the
> weekend
> of April 5/6 (two weeks after Easter). Like the East Hants party this will
> be
> countryside orientated (foot/off-road bike/horse???), the aim is to try
> and
> complete as much of the footpath network along the
> Haslemere/Hindhead-Guildford axis as possible, but there will be scope for
> car drivers (e.g. Godalming, complete Haslemere). If this gap is filled we
> will have a swathe of good mapping stretching from London all the way down
> to
> the New Forest, almost 100 miles.
>
> 2. A mountain-area mapping party, following up to the Lake District party
> last
> July,  I'd like to suggest a couple of options:
>
> * either return to the Lake District and cover the west side
> (Wasdale/Scafell
> Pike/Great Gable/Buttermere, etc - currently not mapped at all),
> * central Snowdonia. Some Snowdon paths are mapped but there's still
> plenty of
> gaps.
>
> Please let me know any preference (or other suggestions). This will be
> sometime between June 15-July 15, I want to avoid the school holidays as
> the
> Lake District was surprisingly (and pleasantly) quiet last year in early
> July
> so this seems to be a good time to go. More details when I know about work
> commitments.
>
> Nick
>
>
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[OSM-talk] Spring and summer UK countryside mapping parties

[Nick Whitelegg]

Well, it's that time of year again I guess where our thoughts turn thoroughly 
to the upcoming spring and summer, and I'd like to suggest a couple of UK 
outdoors-orientated mapping parties.

1. The Southwest Surrey Mapping Party, or "Fill The Gap III" (following on 
from  Richmond and East Hants). At the moment there exists a gap of about 10 
miles between the SW London/Guildford well-mapped area and the 
Haslemere-Petersfield-Midhurst triangle (the original home of Freemap). I'd 
like to propose a mapping party to close that gap, pencilling in the weekend 
of April 5/6 (two weeks after Easter). Like the East Hants party this will be 
countryside orientated (foot/off-road bike/horse???), the aim is to try and 
complete as much of the footpath network along the 
Haslemere/Hindhead-Guildford axis as possible, but there will be scope for 
car drivers (e.g. Godalming, complete Haslemere). If this gap is filled we 
will have a swathe of good mapping stretching from London all the way down to 
the New Forest, almost 100 miles.

2. A mountain-area mapping party, following up to the Lake District party last 
July,  I'd like to suggest a couple of options: 

* either return to the Lake District and cover the west side (Wasdale/Scafell 
Pike/Great Gable/Buttermere, etc - currently not mapped at all),
* central Snowdonia. Some Snowdon paths are mapped but there's still plenty of 
gaps.

Please let me know any preference (or other suggestions). This will be 
sometime between June 15-July 15, I want to avoid the school holidays as the 
Lake District was surprisingly (and pleasantly) quiet last year in early July 
so this seems to be a good time to go. More details when I know about work 
commitments.

Nick



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Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM upload failure

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

> Stephen Hope wrote:
>> I was uploading a big section of data when I had an connection failure
>> of some kind, and the upload eventually timed out. It had uploaded a
>> lot of nodes, but hadn't got as far as the ways yet.
>>
>> Can I assume that if I just try and upload the same data again (I have
>> it saved) that it won't duplicate the nodes that uploaded last time?
> 
> If you saved after the failed upload, yes.  JOSM sets new nodes and ways 
> to a negative number when you're working, then when it (the node or way) 
> is uploaded, JOSM changes the number to it's 'official' id number.  If 
> you retry or save to retry later, the uploaded nodes are no longer 
> marked as new.

All this is correct. The one thing you must NOT do is this:

* enter lots of data
* save
* upload
* upload stops due to network problem
* quit JOSM
* restart JOSM
* load file
* upload <-- NOT!

Because your saved file does not contain information about what was 
uploaded and what wasn't, it will upload everything again, leading to 
duplication of items in the database.

After a failed upload, either re-try the upload right away without 
quitting JOSM, or save your work AFTER the failed upload and then use 
the saved file in a later attempt.

Bye
Frederik


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[OSM-talk] Potlatch speaks waypoints

[Richard Fairhurst]

A little improvement that might help some people: Potlatch will now  
read waypoints (wpt) in a GPX file.

They're imported as "locked" POIs, so they won't be uploaded until you  
click the little padlock to unlock them. (At present locked POIs  
aren't shown in a different colour but this will come.)

To read a GPX file, upload it to the site, then click the associated  
"edit" link in the GPX tracks listing. The file mustn't have been  
compressed, either by you or by Tom compressing old tracks to save  
space. ;)

Here's one I made earlier:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit.html?lat=53.3274&lon=-2.0664&zoom=14&gpx=64150

cheers
Richard


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Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM upload failure

[Alex S.]

Stephen Hope wrote:
> I was uploading a big section of data when I had an connection failure
> of some kind, and the upload eventually timed out. It had uploaded a
> lot of nodes, but hadn't got as far as the ways yet.
> 
> Can I assume that if I just try and upload the same data again (I have
> it saved) that it won't duplicate the nodes that uploaded last time?

If you saved after the failed upload, yes.  JOSM sets new nodes and ways 
to a negative number when you're working, then when it (the node or way) 
is uploaded, JOSM changes the number to it's 'official' id number.  If 
you retry or save to retry later, the uploaded nodes are no longer 
marked as new.


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Re: [OSM-talk] [EMAIL PROTECTED] memory issues ?

[Franc Carter]

Just so it's 'recorded somewhere' ;-)

I resolved this - I needed more than 4GB of memory, I added another 4GB
of swap (3GB real memory, 5GB swap) and the tile generated.

cheers

On Dec 28, 2007 7:37 AM, Franc Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I've just upgraded my main machine to 3GB of RAM and put
> a new the latest version of tilesAtHome (Linux) to try to do
> some rendering - The centre of Sydney (3768,2458) bombs
> out with what looks like a memory issue:-
>
> Too many heap sections: Increase MAXHINCR or MAX_HEAP_SECTS
>
> Any ideas on what's wrong ?
>
> thanks
>
> --
> Franc




-- 
Franc
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Re: [OSM-talk] redundant proposal? - man_made=fenced_compounds

[Robin Paulson]

On 04/01/2008, Michael Collinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >is there an acknowledged way of removing them, without going through
> >the whole comments/opinions/voting process?
> Ye, it would certainly be good to be more aggressive in cleaning up
> up the Proposals page, it is hard to casually browse for "live" proposals.

very hard, i think that's part of the reason so few people look
through - there's so much rubbish

> Currently, the only mechanism is to move proposals into the "Needs
> cleanup/modification" and "Works in Progress/Pending" sections at the
> bottom - which are roughly equivalent to the place sick proposals go to die.

yeah, i saw that, but i'm not a fan. a vast % fall into one of those categories

> I propose:
>
> 1) Mark redundant proposals with "This proposal appears to be
> redundant or duplicated.  Unless there are any objections it will be
> removed on or after dd-mm-" and leave it there until you or
> someone else is next doing a clean-up round.

that's a very good idea, i will do that for lots. i've already moved
some duplicates, see earlier concerning roundend/turning_circle

> 2) More generally, any proposal that has been there for more than a
> year (see the pages "history" tab) be removed.  Looking at a few
> other proposals, this may be a little too aggressive as the
> "riverbank"
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Large_rivers
> proposal would go (or perhaps is should?).   An alternative would be
> to remove any proposal that has been there a year and had no
> substantive activity for 6 months.

i'll stick with the warning, and give each one two weeks to be resurrected

> Here the dates for your example:
>
> Created - 29 August 2006
> Last substantive comment - Dec 2006
> Last comment of any kind - Apr 2007

yes, there's a lot of that

rob

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Re: [OSM-talk] redundant proposal? - man_made=fenced_compounds

[Michael Collinson]

At 01:22 AM 1/4/2008, Robin Paulson wrote:
>in my quest to tidy the proposals page on the wiki, some proposals
>have come up which appear to be redundant
>
>is there an acknowledged way of removing them, without going through
>the whole comments/opinions/voting process?
>
>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Fenced_compounds
>
>is a good example
>
>thanks

Ye, it would certainly be good to be more aggressive in cleaning up 
up the Proposals page, it is hard to casually browse for "live" proposals.

Currently, the only mechanism is to move proposals into the "Needs 
cleanup/modification" and "Works in Progress/Pending" sections at the 
bottom - which are roughly equivalent to the place sick proposals go to die.

I propose:

1) Mark redundant proposals with "This proposal appears to be 
redundant or duplicated.  Unless there are any objections it will be 
removed on or after dd-mm-" and leave it there until you or 
someone else is next doing a clean-up round.

2) More generally, any proposal that has been there for more than a 
year (see the pages "history" tab) be removed.  Looking at a few 
other proposals, this may be a little too aggressive as the 
"riverbank" 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Large_rivers 
proposal would go (or perhaps is should?).   An alternative would be 
to remove any proposal that has been there a year and had no 
substantive activity for 6 months.

Here the dates for your example:

Created - 29 August 2006
Last substantive comment - Dec 2006
Last comment of any kind - Apr 2007

Mike
Stockholm 


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Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM upload failure

[Martijn van Oosterhout]

On Jan 4, 2008 7:54 AM, Stephen Hope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was uploading a big section of data when I had an connection failure
> of some kind, and the upload eventually timed out. It had uploaded a
> lot of nodes, but hadn't got as far as the ways yet.

JOSM remembers what got uploaded and won't upload them again. Just hit
upload again and it should be fine. (or at least, it used too...)

Have a nice day,
-- 
Martijn van Oosterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://svana.org/kleptog/

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