Re: [OSM-talk] Great SOTM08 so thinking ahead ...

2008-07-14 Thread Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
Looks even better from here:
 
http://www.grancanariainfo.co.uk/images/gran_canaria.jpg
 
Lucas



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The coastline looks ok from here: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=27.987&lon=-15.521&zoom=10&layers=0B0FTF


On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:


Gran Canaria!! Sure. Hopefully its coastline will be fixed by then. It 
would be a bit ironic that the SOTM conference took place in a beautiful island 
which according to OSM's main website is... under the water ;)
 
cheers,
Lucas
 

Great SOTM08 so thinking ahead ...

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=27.987&lon=-15.521&zoom=10&layers=B00FTF
Gran Canaria. The GNOME and KDE free desktop conferences are jointly
being held there Friday, July, 3rd until Saturday, July 11th 2009.
http://dot.kde.org/1215794861/
So I think it would be great if SOTM could be there, say, Sat 11th-Sun 
12th.
There is still plenty to map there at the moment though it'll probably
be finished by then, especially if there are many German tourists this
summer ;)
Daniel

 

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Re: [OSM-talk] Great SOTM08 so thinking ahead ...

2008-07-14 Thread 80n
The coastline looks ok from here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=27.987&lon=-15.521&zoom=10&layers=0B0FTF

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Gran Canaria!! Sure. Hopefully its coastline will be fixed by then. It
> would be a bit ironic that the SOTM conference took place in a beautiful
> island which according to OSM's main website is... under the water ;)
>
> cheers,
> Lucas
>
> 
> Great SOTM08 so thinking ahead ...
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=27.987&lon=-15.521&zoom=10&layers=B00FTF
> Gran Canaria. The GNOME and KDE free desktop conferences are jointly
> being held there Friday, July, 3rd until Saturday, July 11th 2009.
> http://dot.kde.org/1215794861/
> So I think it would be great if SOTM could be there, say, Sat 11th-Sun
> 12th.
> There is still plenty to map there at the moment though it'll probably
> be finished by then, especially if there are many German tourists this
> summer ;)
> Daniel
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[OSM-talk] Great SOTM08 so thinking ahead ...

2008-07-14 Thread Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
Gran Canaria!! Sure. Hopefully its coastline will be fixed by then. It would be 
a bit ironic that the SOTM conference took place in a beautiful island which 
according to OSM's main website is... under the water ;)
 
cheers,
Lucas
 

Great SOTM08 so thinking ahead ...
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=27.987&lon=-15.521&zoom=10&layers=B00FTF
Gran Canaria. The GNOME and KDE free desktop conferences are jointly
being held there Friday, July, 3rd until Saturday, July 11th 2009.
http://dot.kde.org/1215794861/
So I think it would be great if SOTM could be there, say, Sat 11th-Sun 12th.
There is still plenty to map there at the moment though it'll probably
be finished by then, especially if there are many German tourists this
summer ;)
Daniel

 
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[OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09

2008-07-14 Thread Daniel Glassey
Great SOTM08 so thinking ahead ...

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=27.987&lon=-15.521&zoom=10&layers=B00FTF

Gran Canaria. The GNOME and KDE free desktop conferences are jointly
being held there Friday, July, 3rd until Saturday, July 11th 2009.

http://dot.kde.org/1215794861/

So I think it would be great if SOTM could be there, say, Sat 11th-Sun 12th.

There is still plenty to map there at the moment though it'll probably
be finished by then, especially if there are many German tourists this
summer ;)

Daniel

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[OSM-talk] Welsh residential mapping weekend

2008-07-14 Thread SteveC
A few people have mentioned that they want to go to

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Welsh_Mapping_Party_Weekend

(cottage, Wales, 12-15 Sept)

but that it's booked out.

I did all the work for that cottage, I strongly suggest someone sets  
up another nearby or something and looks for people on this list who  
want to go.

Best

Steve


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[OSM-talk] State of the Map 2008: Mission Accomplished

2008-07-14 Thread SteveC
A very big thanks to all who attended and made it a wonderful event.

Thanks to the volunteer organisers who did all the dredge work and sat  
around behind cameras all day, ordered t-shirts and all the rest:  
AndyR, Gareth, Christian, NickB, Etienne, Mike Collinson and, er, me.

I think despite it being volunteer run, and only our second conference  
it was overall more professional than many professional conferences.  
The quality of talks and conversation was just brilliant.

Thanks to our sponsors also for without them, no BBQ or low, low price  
of entry: CloudMade, ITO!, AND, geocommons, multimap, nestoria and  
mapufacture.

Please post your feedback

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/State_Of_The_Map_2008/Feedback

and reports

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/SOTM_08_Reports

and personally, I'd like to see more photos on flickr or wherever.

Best

Steve


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Re: [OSM-talk] Metro Manila Philippines needs some OSM love

2008-07-14 Thread maning sambale
>>> Isn't that what the highway=road tag is for?
Yes or this tag.

>>> I'll warn that sometimes the usage of Yahoo imagery can slow down later 
>>> editing.
It can be but Yahoo is currently our best option for now.
Any specific instance on problems with yahoo you can illustrate so we
can avoid them?

>>
> The Cloudmade nonames tiles are available world wide now. (You need to
> specifically select the correct layer, if the correct layer param isn't
> in the url).

This is cool! Might be better to integrate with openstreetbugs so
non-members can add/correct names.


> The road is only highlighted red when the name tag doesn't exist, and it
> is a road type that is expected to have a name.
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Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM rendering improvements the last days - I'm guilty!

2008-07-14 Thread Etric Celine
Am Dienstag, 15. Juli 2008 01:00:43 schrieb Ulf Lamping:
> So if you update JOSM to the latest nightly build, you'll get:
>
> - more tags now shows an icon: amenity, shop, sport, ...
> - more tags are dashed now: tracktype, aerialway, boundary, ...
> - ... and lot's of other changes!
>
> Most of these changes are based on the tagwatch output - BTW: thanks
> for this great tool from my side!
You're Welcome. Good to see something usefull happened with the tagwatch 
output.

> ...
> Think of this as a very basic "data consistency check"!
This is a great feature thanks for this.

P.S:  I think it would be better to change the colour of motorways to pink ;)

Regards
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[OSM-talk] JOSM rendering improvements the last days - I'm guilty!

2008-07-14 Thread Ulf Lamping
Hi!

As some people using the latest JOSM versions already noted, I'm
currently (again) trying to improve the JOSM rendering output to be
even more useful to our valuable mappers ;-)


So if you update JOSM to the latest nightly build, you'll get:

- more tags now shows an icon: amenity, shop, sport, ...
- more tags are dashed now: tracktype, aerialway, boundary, ...
- ... and lot's of other changes!

Most of these changes are based on the tagwatch output - BTW: thanks
for this great tool from my side!


But the most remarkable change I've done is to add some rules for
stuff that *shouldn't* be used IMHO.

Most notably, tags intended for ways not to be used on nodes:

- lot's of highways (e.g. highway=motorway doesn't make a lot of sense
on a node)
- lot's of waterways
- lot's of railways
- oneway (makes *no* sense on a node)

There are other stuff like oneway=no that also doesn't make a lot of
sense as this is already the default. Also some stuff that was used
times ago but there are better ways to tag them now (e.g.
highway=viaduct vs. bridge=viaduct) are marked.

Think of this as a very basic "data consistency check"!



All in all: If you find a "no parking sign on a bright yellow ground"
or a bright red dashed line you probably may rethink your tag -
especially if you're a newbie ;-)

BTW: As this is a new way to display those tags, they will show up
lot's of times on already well tagged areas (one mapper in cyprus
already noticed this).




Although I've tested the changes in several different areas, I'm not
saying that any of the above is the final truth, so think of it as a
"public beta test".
If any of the above changes turns out to be really counter-productive
(like the already reverted rendering of junction=roundabout), we have
to think about better ways.



Hopefully this makes mapping with JOSM even easier as before and in
the long term improve lot's of strange database entries ...

Regards, ULFL


P.S: Please *don't* send any mails like "I want to have rendered this
and that" or "it would be better to ...". I already know a lot of
stuff that still could be improved with JOSM rendering myself, thank
you. Be nice and you'll probably get some more improvements ;-)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Josm: bug in Simplify Way?

2008-07-14 Thread Niccolo Rigacci
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 05:42:36PM +0100, Thomas Wood wrote:
> >
> > I use regularly the Simplify Way feature in Josm before uploading
> > tracks acquired at 10 m samples.
> 
> Uploading as vector data to the main database, or as a simplified GPS track?

I do the following:
 - Open GPX in Josm
 - Convert to data layer
 - Remove the unwanted parts
 - Simplify Way
 - Add tags
 - Upload to the main database.


> Don't rely on automated simplifiers for conversion of GPS data, do it by hand.

Why not?

I suppose the algorithm is well known and definited: nodes should 
be removed only if the semplified way does not diverge by a 
predefinite amount.

I see an open ticket to make the simplify tool user adjustable.

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Firenze - Italy

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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing auf Garmin-Karten: Wie siehts aus?

2008-07-14 Thread FreeWorld
Uhi yes sorry,
I send it to the wrong list. My fault.
But thanks for your answer.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing auf Garmin-Karten: Wie siehts aus?

2008-07-14 Thread Christoph Eckert
Moin,

> Weiß denn jemand Näheres dazu? Ich wüsste gerne, was der Author der oben
> genannten Webseite (Radomir Mucha-Kruczyński) macht, damit die Karten
> routingfähig sind. Macht der nen Trick mit dem cGPSmapper oder wie?

yes it's done with cGPSmapper.

Did you send the posting to the wrong list?

Best regards,

ce


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[OSM-talk] Routing auf Garmin-Karten: Wie siehts aus?

2008-07-14 Thread FreeWorld
Hallo Leute,
anscheinend geht es ja doch irgendwie mit dem Routing. Die
"Europa"-Karte von hier:
http://emexes.powweb.com/osm/
Es ist zwar noch nicht super, aber besser als nichts. Sag mal
Computerteddy. Ich, wie auch vermutlich viele andere Leute hier, sind
bestimmt ganz heiß darauf, so ne routing Funktion (auch wenn sie noch
relativ primitiv ist) in deinen Karten vorzufinden. Da du ja jetzt das
Problem mit den Kachelgrenzen im Griff hast, könnte man ja schauen, ob
da nicht noch was geht.

Weiß denn jemand Näheres dazu? Ich wüsste gerne, was der Author der oben
genannten Webseite (Radomir Mucha-Kruczyński) macht, damit die Karten
routingfähig sind. Macht der nen Trick mit dem cGPSmapper oder wie?
Wenn ja, darf der das?

Was sind die Arbeitsschritte, um sich sowas zu basteln?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Josm: bug in Simplify Way?

2008-07-14 Thread Thomas Wood
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Niccolo Rigacci <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I use regularly the Simplify Way feature in Josm before uploading
> tracks acquired at 10 m samples.

Uploading as vector data to the main database, or as a simplified GPS track?

> Today I noticed that the funcion over-simplify a trace: the worst
> node in the resulting way is more than 200 m far from the
> original track!

Don't rely on automated simplifiers for conversion of GPS data, do it by hand.

> Here [1] you can see a screenshot of the simplified way above the
> original GPX track, look at the scale!
>
> Here [2] it is the offending way, so you can test it.
>
> Should I open a ticket?
>
>
> I use the latest Josm (v. 716) with updated plugins, on Linux
> with SUN Java 1.6.0.
>
> [1] http://www.rigacci.org/osm/bug/josm_simplify_bug.png
> [2] http://www.rigacci.org/osm/bug/josm_simplify_bug.osm
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Osmxapi down?

2008-07-14 Thread Sven Anders
Am Montag, 14. Juli 2008 11:32 schrieb 80n:
> Should be working again now.

YES!

Thank
you

Sven

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Re: [OSM-talk] Metro Manila Philippines needs some OSM love

2008-07-14 Thread Shaun McDonald
John McKerrell wrote:
> On 14 Jul 2008, at 16:32, Shaun McDonald wrote:
>
>   
>> maning sambale wrote:
>> 
>>> [...]
>>> 3. add a "fixme" tag.
>>>
>>>   
>> Isn't that what the highway=road tag is for?
>>
>> I'll warn that sometimes the usage of Yahoo imagery can slow down  
>> later
>> editing.
>> 
>
> Shaun, do the no-name tile sets highlight name=FIXME as well as empty/ 
> missing 'name' tags? Also are those tiles available globally/outside  
> the UK yet?
>
>   
The Cloudmade nonames tiles are available world wide now. (You need to 
specifically select the correct layer, if the correct layer param isn't 
in the url).


The road is only highlighted red when the name tag doesn't exist, and it 
is a road type that is expected to have a name.

Shaun

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Re: [OSM-talk] Metro Manila Philippines needs some OSM love

2008-07-14 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:54 PM, John McKerrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Shaun, do the no-name tile sets highlight name=FIXME as well as empty/
> missing 'name' tags?

No. And there's many other variations on the putting-garbage-in-the-name-tag :-)

> Also are those tiles available globally/outside
> the UK yet?

Yes. See Manilla here:
http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~random/no-names/?zoom=13&lat=1647824.46003&lon=13473704.12044&layers=0B000

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Metro Manila Philippines needs some OSM love

2008-07-14 Thread John McKerrell

On 14 Jul 2008, at 16:32, Shaun McDonald wrote:

> maning sambale wrote:
>> [...]
>> 3. add a "fixme" tag.
>>
> Isn't that what the highway=road tag is for?
>
> I'll warn that sometimes the usage of Yahoo imagery can slow down  
> later
> editing.

Shaun, do the no-name tile sets highlight name=FIXME as well as empty/ 
missing 'name' tags? Also are those tiles available globally/outside  
the UK yet?

Cheers,

John

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Re: [OSM-talk] Fieldwork in Grenada

2008-07-14 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
I don't know if this source is of any additional help:

http://unosat.web.cern.ch/unosat/asp/prod_free.asp?id=53


If using, don't to forget to add a source tag.

Cheers

Andy

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>Is the map [1] on the Grenada wiki [2] free of copyrights ? i think
>not but maybe someone knows
>
>1. http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/americas/grenada.gif
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Re: [OSM-talk] Metro Manila Philippines needs some OSM love

2008-07-14 Thread Shaun McDonald
maning sambale wrote:
> [...]
> 3. add a "fixme" tag.
>   
Isn't that what the highway=road tag is for?

I'll warn that sometimes the usage of Yahoo imagery can slow down later 
editing.

Shaun

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Re: [OSM-talk] Fieldwork in Grenada

2008-07-14 Thread Rob
Is the map [1] on the Grenada wiki [2] free of copyrights ? i think
not but maybe someone knows

1. http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/americas/grenada.gif
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenada

Rob

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[OSM-talk] Josm: bug in Simplify Way?

2008-07-14 Thread Niccolo Rigacci
Hi,

I use regularly the Simplify Way feature in Josm before uploading 
tracks acquired at 10 m samples.

Today I noticed that the funcion over-simplify a trace: the worst 
node in the resulting way is more than 200 m far from the 
original track!

Here [1] you can see a screenshot of the simplified way above the 
original GPX track, look at the scale!

Here [2] it is the offending way, so you can test it.

Should I open a ticket?


I use the latest Josm (v. 716) with updated plugins, on Linux 
with SUN Java 1.6.0.

[1] http://www.rigacci.org/osm/bug/josm_simplify_bug.png
[2] http://www.rigacci.org/osm/bug/josm_simplify_bug.osm

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Firenze - Italy

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Re: [OSM-talk] Misclassified roads

2008-07-14 Thread Claudius Henrichs
Steve Hill:
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Gervase Markham wrote:
> 
>> Well, there was a note on Map Features saying not to do it, but until
>> recently it didn't say what you _should_ do.
> 
> Until recently there was no approved tag to do it.  A lot of people 
> promoted the idea of just never adding roads without knowing their 
> classification, which to many of us wasn't really acceptable (as far as 
> I'm concerned, it is better to have a road on the map than not, even if 
> you don't have all the information).
> 
>   - Steve
> xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://www.nexusuk.org/
> 
>   Servatis a periculum, servatis a maleficum - Whisper, Evanescence

Just to add some 2 cents from Germany:
highway=unclassified is used for minor roads through 
commercial/industrial areas according to our country features 
definition. So changing hwy=unclassified to hwy=road on the OSM dataset 
in Germany would probably target the revers numbers: 80% correctly 
tagged industrial/commercial roads.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Misclassified roads

2008-07-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Steve Hill wrote:

> If you don't go by the definitions in Map Features, what definitions do
> you go by?  As far as you are concerned, what is the difference between an
> unclassified and a tertiary?  If we don't have some agreed definition, the
> tags become meaningless since the meaning will vary widely depending on
> who surveyed the road.
>
> For example, if someone is writing a route planner for HGVs, it is wise to
> have it try and avoid unclassified roads as they are defined by the wiki.
> But it is not sensible to avoid a high quality dual carriageway (which
> seems to match some other people's definitions of an unclassified road).

Sure.

I think the first thing to establish is that the word "unclassified",  
in itself, doesn't particularly mean anything; nor does "tertiary".  
(Just as "primary" in OSM-speak actually means "non-primary" UK  
roads!) They're words, nothing more. You could just as easily call  
them highway=level1 [motorway], level2 [trunk], etc.

I posted earlier in the thread that I'd define a tertiary road as  
something like "significant through route for non-local use, other  
than an A/B/M road". It's a descending scale of localness:  
highway=motorway is the road that you use to get from one end of the  
country to another, highway=residential is the one that delivers you  
right to your house but nowhere else, and the rest are stages in  
between. That's how I understand our highway tagging system.

As it happens, the UK (and several other countries) have a road  
classification system that does exactly the same. It makes sense to  
align OSM's definitions with theirs where possible, so we do. But in  
the UK this doesn't work for anything below "secondary".

So to reiterate: I'd use highway=tertiary for a useful, good-quality  
route that might form part of a wider journey; I'd use  
highway=unclassified for one predominantly intended for local use.  
That dual carriageway off the A4067 is an interesting example - should  
it be tertiary (clearly very good quality) or unclassified (it doesn't  
really go anywhere apart from the industrial estate)? Both would seem  
to have merit.

cheers
Richard


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Re: [OSM-talk] Misclassified roads

2008-07-14 Thread David Janda
My two cents, or Kurush here in Northern Cyprus.

The road tag is a good thing, as it lets one and all know that further work 
needs to be done surveying etc.

The question for me is; what counts as an unclassified road?

Here, *most* roads are 1.5 cars wide, no markings whatsoever.

But, the vast majority of roads linking villages are exactly the same. My 
reading of MF is that they should not be unclassified, but in reality they 
are exactly the same! No markings, 1.5 cars wide.

Well, no lights, no drains, no directions .


David Janda
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[OSM-talk] Metro Manila Philippines needs some OSM love

2008-07-14 Thread maning sambale
Hi,

Metro Manila in the Philippines is getting more and more updated every
week in OSM.  After more than 1.5 years of contributing, we have made
the Metropolis expand coverage from this [1] to this [2].  ~ 50
contributors have added pois, roads, etc. using mostly Yahoo! imagery
and very few contribute GPS traces.

This coming year we hope to improve more.  But frankly, we need a
steady stream of contributors.  Although a lot have joined, very few
contribute regularly.  From my experience "seeding" some areas sparks
contribution from local residents.

This is why I appeal to the OSM community for help.  Coverage of the
cities in Metro Manila vary from "mostly done" (my neighborhood at the
street level) to "virtually none".  I would like to request the OSM
community to give us some editing love.  Everybody is welcome.

Using yahoo imagery, we want to complete a "first pass" edit to many
areas in the metropolis (yahoo imagery in Metro Manila is pretty much
dated by our guesstimate: 5 years old, but still very much useful).

You can simply contribute an hour of osm editing in any area within
Metro Manila.  Befor editing please consider the following:
1. choose an area where there is virtually no edits (this way we don't
mess-up other contributions);
2. we have "mostly" completed major routes (motorway/truks/primary)
so the remaining tags would be mostly residential areas;
3. add a "fixme" tag.

My plan is to cover as many areas as possible with Yahoo! imagery.
Then conduct a survey for streetnames, poi, etc.
What's the catch we'll nothing really except that you have contributed
to expanding the free geodata of my home country :)

Anybody interested?  If so please send me a mail so we can coordinate things.

cheers,
maning
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[2] 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/index.html?lat=14.594717284692324&lon=121.03235961646361&zoom=12
[3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/WikiProject_Philippines#City_Status

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Re: [OSM-talk] Misclassified roads

2008-07-14 Thread Steve Hill
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Richard Fairhurst wrote:

> And that's fine: you seem to place more of an emphasis on the Gospel
> According To Map Features than I do

If you don't go by the definitions in Map Features, what definitions do 
you go by?  As far as you are concerned, what is the difference between an 
unclassified and a tertiary?  If we don't have some agreed definition, the 
tags become meaningless since the meaning will vary widely depending on 
who surveyed the road.

For example, if someone is writing a route planner for HGVs, it is wise to 
have it try and avoid unclassified roads as they are defined by the wiki. 
But it is not sensible to avoid a high quality dual carriageway (which 
seems to match some other people's definitions of an unclassified road).

> What _isn't_ fine is going round removing others' work because you
> disagree with it.

Ok, so maybe I shouldn't have changed the classification of some of these 
roads until I had resurveyed them.  I certainly don't consider it to be 
"removing someone's work" though - the way is still on the map.  All I'm 
trying to do is standardise the tags a bit so they match the _only_ 
documented definition.

> As for C, that's pretty much immaterial: I've spoken at a public
> inquiry to get a landowner to remove an obstruction on a C "road". I
> say "road", actually it was a foot-wide path from one village to
> another three miles away.

That was exactly my point - no one cares whether a road has a C number or 
not, map users just care what the road is _like_ - I don't see how you can 
say that a relatively narrow road with no centre line is "like" a big dual 
carriageway.

  - Steve
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Re: [OSM-talk] Misclassified roads

2008-07-14 Thread Steve Hill
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Gervase Markham wrote:

> Well, there was a note on Map Features saying not to do it, but until
> recently it didn't say what you _should_ do.

Until recently there was no approved tag to do it.  A lot of people 
promoted the idea of just never adding roads without knowing their 
classification, which to many of us wasn't really acceptable (as far as 
I'm concerned, it is better to have a road on the map than not, even if 
you don't have all the information).

  - Steve
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Re: [OSM-talk] Yellow nodes in JOSM!!!

2008-07-14 Thread David Janda
Thank you - that did it!!!

David Janda
djanda

- Original Message - 
From: "Niccolo Rigacci" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Yellow nodes in JOSM!!!


>> An estate, which I did ages ago (without errors) now appears (in JOSM) 
>> with
>> a yellow square and a stop sign within it at each node!!
>
> I think you added some tags to "nodes" too.
>
> May be you put the "highway" tag to nodes, whereas only ways
> shoud have it.
>
> Fortunately Josm now displays this as an inconsistency.
>
> -- 
> Niccolo Rigacci
> Firenze - Italy
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Re: [OSM-talk] Yellow nodes in JOSM!!!

2008-07-14 Thread Niccolo Rigacci
> An estate, which I did ages ago (without errors) now appears (in JOSM) with 
> a yellow square and a stop sign within it at each node!!

I think you added some tags to "nodes" too.

May be you put the "highway" tag to nodes, whereas only ways 
shoud have it.

Fortunately Josm now displays this as an inconsistency.

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Firenze - Italy

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Re: [OSM-talk] Osmxapi down?

2008-07-14 Thread 80n
Should be working again now.



On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Tom Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> On 13 Jul 2008, at 10:13, Shaun McDonald wrote:
> > Which URL were you doing? What were you expecting, and what did you
> > get
> > instead?
>
> I've been getting this on and off for a while.
>
> --2008-07-13 10:26:38--  http://www.informationfreeway.org/api/0.5/
> node[amenity=pub][bbox=-6,50,2,61]
> Resolving www.informationfreeway.org... 80.68.90.42
> Connecting to www.informationfreeway.org|80.68.90.42|:80... connected.
> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found
> Location:
> http://osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org/api/0.5/node%5bamenity=pub%5d%5bbbox=-6,50,2,61%5d
>  [following]
> --2008-07-13 10:26:40--
> http://osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org/api/0.5/node%5bamenity=pub%5d%5bbbox=-6,50,2,61%5d
> Resolving osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org... 137.110.119.130
> Connecting to osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org|137.110.119.130|:80...
> connected.
> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 501 Internal Server Error
> 2008-07-13 10:27:08 ERROR 501: Internal Server Error.
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[OSM-talk] Yellow nodes in JOSM!!!

2008-07-14 Thread David Janda
Hello Talk

Here's one I cannot figure out. Was looking at the area of the map that I do 
here in Northern Cyprus this morning in JOSM.

An estate, which I did ages ago (without errors) now appears (in JOSM) with 
a yellow square and a stop sign within it at each node!!

http://www.openstreetmap.org/index.html?mlat=35.3135072021519&mlon=33.40305600649414&zoom=14

I cannot figure this out!

Anyone?

David Janda
djanda




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