Re: [OSM-talk] Asus eee and OpenStreetMap
Valent Turkovic wrote: > I would be really thankful if anyone can check it the packages are the > same on debian based distros and or does apt-get need to have some > other named packages. > > I would like to update my blog so that this howto also works for > debian/ubuntu. Are the other instructions the same for debian/ubuntu? > Do I need to change something for debian/ubuntu howto? Probably worth adding that to the osm wiki as well. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café
paul youlten wrote: > The difference between pubs and restaurants is a getting a bit > blurred. But not so much between pubs and cafes. > > In the UK pubs have to be licenced with the local council and usually > have restricted opening hours (i.e: they are not normally allowed to > sell alcohol before 11am). They also have to comply with national and > local legislation which can include things like not being within a > certain distance of a school, not allowing people under 16 years to > enter the premises unaccompanied and not being operated by someone who > is a convicted criminal. > > Cafes are not usually licenced to sell alcohol and are simply > regulated by the local authority's food hygiene office. If a cafe or > restaurant wants to sell alcohol they have to apply for a licence just > like a pub or a restaurant. There used to be lots of rules about > restaurants not being allowed to have a "bar" where customers could > sit and consume drinks and there was a rule about them only being > allowed to serve alcohol with meals; but most of these laws were > repealed under the Licencing act 2003. Of cause the opening hours rules were relaxed a lot - I think in the 2003 revision? Certainly now pubs COULD open 24 hours, but the local authority can ( I think ) apply restrictions. The 11PM closing time in law was removed so local authorities have to make a good case to oppose an application? But people seem to be missing another fundamental difference that someone in the UK probably takes foregranted? If I want breakfast then I'm most likely to look for a 'Caf' - Restaurants tended to be open only midday and evening. Someone coming in from outside and using a hotel would be served breakfast in the hotels restaurant but non-residents would only normally use that for breakfast if joining another resident of the hotel ( or they have money burning holes in their pockets ;) ). This is another 'rule' that has been eroded over time, but is probably one that would be subconsciously used if looking on a map for somewhere to eat? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] elephant trekking
According to osmxapi statistics [1] there are already 2 elephants in OSM data. Should we see a sudden increase now? :) Stefan [1] http://osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org/total.xml On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Nic Roets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd tag it as tourism=zoo and add a note explaining what's there. > > It will allow people searching for attractions to find it. As an added > benefit, the icon for a zoo is an elephant on mappaint?, gosmore and > possibly other renderers. > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Joe Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I am putting in a tourist attraction - elephant trekking in Thailand - >> since it's the kind of thing that when you visit you would want to know >> about, but how do I tag it? >> >> >> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] roundabout vs miniround about
On Saturday 18 October 2008 10:00:47 pm Subhodip Biswas wrote: > I can see a icon for mini roundabout in josm ...but though preset for > round about is there ,i cant find an icon for that .. > is there one .what i am missing ?? there is no icon for roundabout - you have to build one making a circle or rectangle or whatever and tag it as highway=primary/secondary/whatever, junction=roundabout -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Asus eee and OpenStreetMap
I would be really thankful if anyone can check it the packages are the same on debian based distros and or does apt-get need to have some other named packages. I would like to update my blog so that this howto also works for debian/ubuntu. Are the other instructions the same for debian/ubuntu? Do I need to change something for debian/ubuntu howto? Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Asus eee and OpenStreetMap
Hi I posted a new howto on my blog.
I use Asus eee 701 with Fedora 9 installed to capture GPS traces and I
have posted a howto on it. Asus eee 701 is cheap and great little and
very portable laptop - just perfect for mapping! I hope you find this
howto helpful.
Bluetooth GPS Fedora howto:
http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/bluetooth-gps-fedora-howto/
I will copy/paste it here but please go to my blog for an always up to
date version.
Bluetooth GPS Fedora howto
If you have bluetooth GPS dongle that you have laying around, or can
borrow one from somebody, and like driving a bike or a car around then
this is the guide for you.
You need to have bluetooth wireless chip already installed on your
laptop. If you have a laptop or a desktop without bluetooth you can
buy and use USB bluetooth dongle.
You can check if you have a bluetooth and that it is working correctly
using this command:
hcitool dev
Then let's make sure you have bluetooth service running:
service bluetooth status
if it is not running just start it with:
service bluetooth start
Turn on your bluetooth GPS dongle and find its bluetooth mac address
with this command:
hcitool scan
Scanning …
00:1E:EE:00:11:22 LG KU990
00:02:78:99:FF:00 SJ GPS
00:12:EE:55:00:FF Device01
If you find more than one bluetooth device you should know the name of
your GPS dongle. My GPS dongle has a "GPS" in its name so it is easy
to catch its mac address: 00:02:78:99:FF:00 (SJ GPS)
You need to install gpsd and setup bluetooth config files, so let's
first install gpsd:
yum install gpsd -y
Then you need to edit bluetooth config file so that gpsd connects
automatically to GPS bluetooth dongle.
su -
gedit -etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf
and add these lines:
rfcomm0 {
# Automatically bind the device at startup
bind yes;
# Bluetooth address of the device
device 00:12:EE:55:00:FF;
# RFCOMM channel for the connection
channel 1;
# Description of the connection
comment "GPS Bluetooth dongle";
}
After reboot check if you have /dev/rfcomm0 device with:
ls -al /dev/rfcomm0
If after reboot (or you don't wan't to reboot) you still don't have
/dev/rfcomm0 then just issue this command:
rfcomm bind rfcomm0
Now start gpsd daemon:
gpsd /dev/rfcomm0
Now you can start having fun! :)
Install gps applications like tangogps, gpsdrive and gpsbabel.
su -
yum install tangogps gpsdrive gpsbabel
Now just start tangogps and gpsdrive and enjoy…
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Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café
2008/10/18 paul youlten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Dermot said: >> "This situation used to be very common in Birmingham on the "Balti >> Mile". There, Indian restaurants offering affordable (and tasty) food >> traditionally did not have licences. " > > I always assumed that this was because most Balti Houses/Indian > Restaurants are run by Bangladeshi Muslims who don't sell alcoholic on > religious grounds. That was my assumption too. But: a) In at least some houses, they would open it and pour it out for you (often for free). b) Many do now have licences. Dermot -- -- Iren sind menschlich ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café
Dermot said: > "This situation used to be very common in Birmingham on the "Balti > Mile". There, Indian restaurants offering affordable (and tasty) food > traditionally did not have licences. " I always assumed that this was because most Balti Houses/Indian Restaurants are run by Bangladeshi Muslims who don't sell alcoholic on religious grounds. PY On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Dermot McNally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/10/18 Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Are there still proper restaurants in the UK without a license? Can you >> then bring your own alcoholic beverages and have them served? I read >> something about a "corking fee" related to this, but this may well have >> been from 20 years ago. > > This situation used to be very common in Birmingham on the "Balti > Mile". There, Indian restaurants offering affordable (and tasty) food > traditionally did not have licences. Off-Licences (shops licensed to > sell alcohol for consumption "Off" the premises) began to spring up > next door to the restaurants, and members of the public would bring > their own beer and wine into the restaurant. A corking fee is exactly > what you describe, a surcharge on self-brought (usually) wine, but > whether one will apply is very much down to the restaurant itself. > Corking fees are not confined to unlicensed restaurants either - it > could happen that a customer would choose to bring a very special > bottle of wine he owns to enjoy with a meal. > > A lot of the Birmingham restaurants I mentioned do now have licences, > but self-brought booze was still common enough last time I was there. > > Dermot > > -- > -- > Iren sind menschlich > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café
Frederik Ramm schrieb: > Hi, > > paul youlten wrote: >> The difference between pubs and restaurants is a getting a bit >> blurred. But not so much between pubs and cafes. > > [interesting details] > >> If a cafe or >> restaurant wants to sell alcohol they have to apply for a licence just >> like a pub or a restaurant. > > Are there still proper restaurants in the UK without a license? Can you > then bring your own alcoholic beverages and have them served? I read > something about a "corking fee" related to this, but this may well have > been from 20 years ago. Interesting, never heard of that before! > > And then - this is probably a US term - what is an "off license"? See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off_license#Off-licence As I know them from the UK: A shop (often smaller) that sells alcohol: wine, sparkling wine, beer (in cans), ... Usually with self service, not meant to drink the alcohol in the shop. Think of a very small german Getränkemarkt and we're getting somewhere ;-) Gruß, ULFL ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café
2008/10/18 Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Are there still proper restaurants in the UK without a license? Can you > then bring your own alcoholic beverages and have them served? I read > something about a "corking fee" related to this, but this may well have > been from 20 years ago. This situation used to be very common in Birmingham on the "Balti Mile". There, Indian restaurants offering affordable (and tasty) food traditionally did not have licences. Off-Licences (shops licensed to sell alcohol for consumption "Off" the premises) began to spring up next door to the restaurants, and members of the public would bring their own beer and wine into the restaurant. A corking fee is exactly what you describe, a surcharge on self-brought (usually) wine, but whether one will apply is very much down to the restaurant itself. Corking fees are not confined to unlicensed restaurants either - it could happen that a customer would choose to bring a very special bottle of wine he owns to enjoy with a meal. A lot of the Birmingham restaurants I mentioned do now have licences, but self-brought booze was still common enough last time I was there. Dermot -- -- Iren sind menschlich ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café
The UK licencing laws only apply to selling alcohol; so if the cafe or restaurant is not licenced you can take your own wine (sometimes even if they do have a licence you can ask them if it is OK to bring your own bottle of wine) and while they cannot charge you for the drink they can charge you for "corkage" which covers the use of their glasses and waiters opening it and pouring it for you. I think this is called BYOB (bring your own beer) in the USA? An "Off Licence" is a special licence for a shop that sells alcohol that is going to be consumed away from the shop (at home or at a picnic for example). In the USA these shops are called "Liquor stores" and their regulation varies from state to state. More on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-licence#Off-licence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquor_store PY On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > paul youlten wrote: >> >> The difference between pubs and restaurants is a getting a bit >> blurred. But not so much between pubs and cafes. > > [interesting details] > >> If a cafe or >> restaurant wants to sell alcohol they have to apply for a licence just >> like a pub or a restaurant. > > Are there still proper restaurants in the UK without a license? Can you then > bring your own alcoholic beverages and have them served? I read something > about a "corking fee" related to this, but this may well have been from 20 > years ago. > > And then - this is probably a US term - what is an "off license"? > > Bye > Frederik > > -- > Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café
Hi, paul youlten wrote: > The difference between pubs and restaurants is a getting a bit > blurred. But not so much between pubs and cafes. [interesting details] > If a cafe or > restaurant wants to sell alcohol they have to apply for a licence just > like a pub or a restaurant. Are there still proper restaurants in the UK without a license? Can you then bring your own alcoholic beverages and have them served? I read something about a "corking fee" related to this, but this may well have been from 20 years ago. And then - this is probably a US term - what is an "off license"? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café
The difference between pubs and restaurants is a getting a bit blurred. But not so much between pubs and cafes. In the UK pubs have to be licenced with the local council and usually have restricted opening hours (i.e: they are not normally allowed to sell alcohol before 11am). They also have to comply with national and local legislation which can include things like not being within a certain distance of a school, not allowing people under 16 years to enter the premises unaccompanied and not being operated by someone who is a convicted criminal. Cafes are not usually licenced to sell alcohol and are simply regulated by the local authority's food hygiene office. If a cafe or restaurant wants to sell alcohol they have to apply for a licence just like a pub or a restaurant. There used to be lots of rules about restaurants not being allowed to have a "bar" where customers could sit and consume drinks and there was a rule about them only being allowed to serve alcohol with meals; but most of these laws were repealed under the Licencing act 2003. PY On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Tim Waters (chippy) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But I've been in many cafes with no dedicated kitchens (Starbucks, for > instance). And a lot of pubs with dedicated kitchens. > A pub's main revenue comes from the booze. Many of them are closing > down their kitchens to save money. Some pubs have a tiny bar, and most > of it is a restaurant - so called "gastro-pubs". > > cafe, from coffee - selling coffee. A coffee, or tea shop. Cake. > pub, from public - selling, erm, beer. No cake. > > another, less official: > A pub - It has frosted windows, closed off areas, no table service. > Mainly male. Is more popular in the evening and night. > a cafe has clear windows, and a terrace open to the world. Table > service, open to all, people watching is part of it. Is more popular > in the daytime. > > Maybe, ultimately, it's cake vs no cake? Or pork scratchings vs cake? > > On 10/18/08, Matt Amos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > El Sábado, 18 de Octubre de 2008, Pete Lawrence escribió: >> >> Restaurants v's cafe's are probably more likely to be mixed up. >> > >> > It's easy, actually: dedicated kitchen area or not. >> >> >> there are several cafes near me with dedicated kitchen areas - often >> the british style "caff" which specialises in fry-ups. when i'm >> tagging i choose based on whether it looks like a lunch, snack and >> coffee place or a seated dinner place. sometimes the signage provides >> a big clue :-) >> >> cheers, >> >> >> matt >> >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] elephant trekking
I'd tag it as tourism=zoo and add a note explaining what's there. It will allow people searching for attractions to find it. As an added benefit, the icon for a zoo is an elephant on mappaint?, gosmore and possibly other renderers. On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Joe Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am putting in a tourist attraction - elephant trekking in Thailand - > since it's the kind of thing that when you visit you would want to know > about, but how do I tag it? > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Video with all OSM contributors
Matt Amos schrieb: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Having seen the 11Mb video, I'd appreciate to have the 37Mb original. I'll >> play it in a conference in one month, and people should be able to at least >> try to read the names as they fly by. >> > > http://www.asklater.com/matt/wordpress/?p=133 > > if anyone knows how to add the appropriate soundtrack that would be > very cool :-) > Maybe you can look for it at youtube? The video is just very cool. AND i found my Username! :-) Jonas (John07) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Video with all OSM contributors
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you attended the State of the Map 2008, you will sure remember the > star-wars style video that was played the last day, showing all the > contributors for all of the planet. > > Is this video uploaded somewhere? Can somebody make such a video with an > updated list of contributors? I'll play it during some talks. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7261615139689126539&hl=en if the quality isn't good enough, just ask and i'll upload the original (37Mb) somewhere. cheers, matt ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] roundabout vs miniround about
The mini roundabout is a tag that you can apply to a single node (a dot in JOSM), whereas a roundabout is actually drawn using ways (the lines themselves). The direction of the roundabout is determined by the direction of the way (the lines with the arrows). I think you have to add oneway=yes too - Original Message From: Subhodip Biswas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Saturday, 18 October, 2008 17:30:47 Subject: [OSM-talk] roundabout vs miniround about hi ! I can see a icon for mini roundabout in josm ...but though preset for round about is there ,i cant find an icon for that .. is there one .what i am missing ?? -- Regards Subhodip Biswas Fedora Ambassador West Bengal , India GPG key : FAEA34AB Server : pgp.mit.edu http://subhodipbiswas.wordpress.com http:/www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SubhodipBiswas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] roundabout vs miniround about
hi ! I can see a icon for mini roundabout in josm ...but though preset for round about is there ,i cant find an icon for that .. is there one .what i am missing ?? -- Regards Subhodip Biswas Fedora Ambassador West Bengal , India GPG key : FAEA34AB Server : pgp.mit.edu http://subhodipbiswas.wordpress.com http:/www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SubhodipBiswas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café
But I've been in many cafes with no dedicated kitchens (Starbucks, for instance). And a lot of pubs with dedicated kitchens. A pub's main revenue comes from the booze. Many of them are closing down their kitchens to save money. Some pubs have a tiny bar, and most of it is a restaurant - so called "gastro-pubs". cafe, from coffee - selling coffee. A coffee, or tea shop. Cake. pub, from public - selling, erm, beer. No cake. another, less official: A pub - It has frosted windows, closed off areas, no table service. Mainly male. Is more popular in the evening and night. a cafe has clear windows, and a terrace open to the world. Table service, open to all, people watching is part of it. Is more popular in the daytime. Maybe, ultimately, it's cake vs no cake? Or pork scratchings vs cake? On 10/18/08, Matt Amos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > El Sábado, 18 de Octubre de 2008, Pete Lawrence escribió: > >> Restaurants v's cafe's are probably more likely to be mixed up. > > > > It's easy, actually: dedicated kitchen area or not. > > > there are several cafes near me with dedicated kitchen areas - often > the british style "caff" which specialises in fry-ups. when i'm > tagging i choose based on whether it looks like a lunch, snack and > coffee place or a seated dinner place. sometimes the signage provides > a big clue :-) > > cheers, > > > matt > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] elephant trekking
I am putting in a tourist attraction - elephant trekking in Thailand - since it's the kind of thing that when you visit you would want to know about, but how do I tag it? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > El Sábado, 18 de Octubre de 2008, Pete Lawrence escribió: >> Restaurants v's cafe's are probably more likely to be mixed up. > > It's easy, actually: dedicated kitchen area or not. there are several cafes near me with dedicated kitchen areas - often the british style "caff" which specialises in fry-ups. when i'm tagging i choose based on whether it looks like a lunch, snack and coffee place or a seated dinner place. sometimes the signage provides a big clue :-) cheers, matt ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café
El Sábado, 18 de Octubre de 2008, Pete Lawrence escribió: > Restaurants v's cafe's are probably more likely to be mixed up. It's easy, actually: dedicated kitchen area or not. -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You get along very well with everyone except animals and people. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café
On Saturday 18 October 2008, Pete Lawrence wrote: > Hello, > > Pubs tend to be more centred around alcoholic drinks, typically > busiest during the evenings. Whereas cafe's tend to be more centred > around food during the day time. In the UK it is pretty easy to > distinguish between the two, elsewhere the distinction may not be as > clear cut. > > Restaurants v's cafe's are probably more likely to be mixed up. > > Pete OK, I was confused since here in Belgium we use the word "café" in Dutch for a place that primarily serves drinks (so what you call pub or bar I guess). One wouldn't associate café with a restaurant here. Ben ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Old data being cached too long
On Saturday 18 October 2008 05:32:24 you wrote: > I've just grabbed a mapnik tile at random, and these are the headers > sent out with it: > > Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:20:05 GMT > Server: Apache/2.2.4 (Ubuntu) > Etag: "cb5563ba81dda2fd9bf27cba5a41164f" > Content-Length: 7149 > Cache-Control: max-age=374906 > Expires: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:28:32 GMT > Content-Type: image/png > > Therefore, an ISP's transparent proxy should fetch a new version (or > the same one again) after 374906 seconds, or 4.33 days. > > Some ISP's ignore the cache times in their transparent proxies and > therefore should be shouted at. Are any of the tiles you're viewing > older than 4 days? [EMAIL PROTECTED] tiles are every day, as I recall, and > therefore three render cycles could be within the timescale? > Yes, quite older, looks like some yelling is in order. Not that I have much hope for my ISP, I may have to have a script to reload all tiles in the area I'm interested once a week if they don't fix it. > a [EMAIL PROTECTED] headers set: > Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:27:36 GMT > Server: Apache > Cache-Control: max-age=10800 > Last-Modified: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:47:20 GMT > Content-Length: 16457 > Content-Type: image/png > > Which should expire after 3 hours. Notably, this doesn't have a > Expires: header, which means (theoretically) it could get kept longer > as various levels of proxy/cache grab it from each other... > Maybe this would help? > I guess it should expire, but it doesn't affect me right now, I think. I mostly use mapnik, anyway. > It should be that holding down control and pressing refresh in your > browser should request a new version and not accept cached versions, > but I don't know if this matters to javascript or ISP proxies... > Me neither, in any case, it's not practical to refresh each tile. Thank you very much for the info, now it's time to call them. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café
Hello, Pubs tend to be more centred around alcoholic drinks, typically busiest during the evenings. Whereas cafe's tend to be more centred around food during the day time. In the UK it is pretty easy to distinguish between the two, elsewhere the distinction may not be as clear cut. Restaurants v's cafe's are probably more likely to be mixed up. Pete On 18 Oct 2008, at 13:58, Ben Laenen wrote: Hi all, I'm wondering what in English language the exact difference is between http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:amenity=pub and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:amenity=cafe I always thought they were the same thing... So, how do you decide whether a place is a café or a pub? On 18 Oct 2008, at 13:58, Ben Laenen wrote: Hi all, I'm wondering what in English language the exact difference is between http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:amenity=pub and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:amenity=cafe I always thought they were the same thing... So, how do you decide whether a place is a café or a pub? Ben ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] pub vs café
Hi all, I'm wondering what in English language the exact difference is between http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:amenity=pub and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:amenity=cafe I always thought they were the same thing... So, how do you decide whether a place is a café or a pub? Ben ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Old data being cached too long
I've just grabbed a mapnik tile at random, and these are the headers sent out with it: Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:20:05 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.4 (Ubuntu) Etag: "cb5563ba81dda2fd9bf27cba5a41164f" Content-Length: 7149 Cache-Control: max-age=374906 Expires: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:28:32 GMT Content-Type: image/png Therefore, an ISP's transparent proxy should fetch a new version (or the same one again) after 374906 seconds, or 4.33 days. Some ISP's ignore the cache times in their transparent proxies and therefore should be shouted at. Are any of the tiles you're viewing older than 4 days? [EMAIL PROTECTED] tiles are every day, as I recall, and therefore three render cycles could be within the timescale? a [EMAIL PROTECTED] headers set: Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:27:36 GMT Server: Apache Cache-Control: max-age=10800 Last-Modified: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:47:20 GMT Content-Length: 16457 Content-Type: image/png Which should expire after 3 hours. Notably, this doesn't have a Expires: header, which means (theoretically) it could get kept longer as various levels of proxy/cache grab it from each other... Maybe this would help? It should be that holding down control and pressing refresh in your browser should request a new version and not accept cached versions, but I don't know if this matters to javascript or ISP proxies... Tristan 2008/10/18 Matias D'Ambrosio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I thought there were some errors with OSM but today visiting a friend we used > OSM and mapnik was looking just fine, no tiles were old, while at home I get > a patchwork of new and old, and I have to hit reload a bunch of times to get > the right one. It's not my cache, btw, I did check for that :-) (Besides, I > use multiple browsers and they all looked exactly the same.) > There is the small chance that OSM is doing something wrong that might cause > this, but in all likelihood it's my ISP doing business as usual. I know they > use a transparent proxy, which is quite opaque as this case shows, but not > being a proxy-knowledgeable person, I don't know exactly what they broke in > theirs. I see some tiles that are at least two render-cycles old (more than a > week and a half), and reloading each tile manually is quite annoying, plus > it's one, if not *the*, largest ISP in Argentina. Could anyone tell me the > right keywords? What bits to flip? Tomorrow is saturday and I'll be doing > some work with plenty of dead time for me to call their toll-free number and > see if I can get someone who can talk beyond the scripted responses (I talked > with one such person a few years ago), who knows, they might fix it if I > provide them with the right info. > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Tristan Scott BSc(Hons) Yare Valley Technical Services www.yvts.co.uk 07837 205829 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] osmdiff
Good morning, again, there is something to see: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Osmdiff http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Osmdiff_reports Program is still under construction but it works. Still trying to optimize getting data online. So everything shown is BETA! If you want me to add places please send bounding box parameters and pay attention that it's not too big. Less than ~40.000 nodes is desirable (Same restrictions like i.e. JOSM and a little room to manouver)! Else obtaining data might be a problem. Have fun! Gary68 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
