Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: A short online questionnaire on the OSM users .....(It takes 48 seconds)
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > The idea of centralizing demographic questions in the OSM profile, > however, is serious. > All questions are meant to be optional. > Access to the data would be only for approved and qualified research > projects. > And it is a good question to ask. For a similar project, I've been looking for demographics questions for a world audience. Most ethnic breakdowns is for US populations. I plan to ask the group working on diversity if they have any suggestions. -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: A short online questionnaire on the OSM users .....(It takes 48 seconds)
I like the approach, you'd still need to do the random sample bit otherwise its becomes self selecting get a consensus about what information would be nice to have, I'd avoid income questions like the plague and let researchers access the data but without the user ids. You could link up the number / even type of edits and put them in a range so xyz has made between 500-5,000 edits over a two year period. Cheerio John On 27 June 2013 20:02, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > A sore point for prisoners is surveys don't have a checkbox for their > occupation :-). > So clearly it should be: Occupation: [student,full time, part time, > retired, homemaker, prisoner, welfare, ward of the state, trust fund > baby...] > > > The idea of centralizing demographic questions in the OSM profile, > however, is serious. > All questions are meant to be optional. > Access to the data would be only for approved and qualified research > projects. > > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:35 PM, john whelan wrote: > >> Always ask the income question last a lot of people will refuse to answer >> that and any following questions. You'll get better responses with an age >> range and on income in you ask for bands ie 15-25, 25-50, etc.and perhaps >> average, above average, below average on income though why you'd be >> interested in income I'm not sure. >> >> I especially like retried, I take in we're interested in how many get >> taught mapping in prison then get out after a retrial? > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Please test this "Native wikipedia link" - feature
I started the Wikidata tag proposal [1], but then after some negative opinions I started thinking bigger. What if we started our own Wikidata instance and called it "OpenPOI"? Its items and properties would be designed specifically around OSM, and it could have all the data and relations that isn't appropriate for raw OSM. For example an item like "Mom and Pop Hotel" which would be linked from OSM with a "OpenPOI=Q342" tag. In OpenPOI it could have links to Facebook pages, if it's allowed to have dogs, if it has sauna, if it has a fridge in the rooms, and all those things that tags are a little unhandy to work with, and a map maker doesn't really need. It could also have bigger items like "PB Fuel Stations" which could have a property "Tags" and then the tags that make it a PB fuel station (amenity=fuel + operator=PB Fuel). That way data consumers know how to find certain chains. There could even be a property "Overpass query" with a query that returns all PB fuel stations. When you start thinking about it, there's a lot of problems this could solve. Janko [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: A short online questionnaire on the OSM users .....(It takes 48 seconds)
A sore point for prisoners is surveys don't have a checkbox for their occupation :-). So clearly it should be: Occupation: [student,full time, part time, retired, homemaker, prisoner, welfare, ward of the state, trust fund baby...] The idea of centralizing demographic questions in the OSM profile, however, is serious. All questions are meant to be optional. Access to the data would be only for approved and qualified research projects. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:35 PM, john whelan wrote: > Always ask the income question last a lot of people will refuse to answer > that and any following questions. You'll get better responses with an age > range and on income in you ask for bands ie 15-25, 25-50, etc.and perhaps > average, above average, below average on income though why you'd be > interested in income I'm not sure. > > I especially like retried, I take in we're interested in how many get > taught mapping in prison then get out after a retrial? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: A short online questionnaire on the OSM users .....(It takes 48 seconds)
Always ask the income question last a lot of people will refuse to answer that and any following questions. You'll get better responses with an age range and on income in you ask for bands ie 15-25, 25-50, etc.and perhaps average, above average, below average on income though why you'd be interested in income I'm not sure. I especially like retried, I take in we're interested in how many get taught mapping in prison then get out after a retrial? Cheerio John On 27 June 2013 19:01, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > If my OSM profile page had the following, I would fill it out: > > > *Demographic survey* > You last updated this section in October 2011 > * > * > Privacy: > [ ] hide for now [ ] show to all logged in mappers [ ] show to > administrators [*] reveal in aggregate only for qualified research studies. > > Demographics: > Year of birth _ [x] > Gender identity_ [x] > Income___ [x] > Other hobbies:_ [x] > Employment status: [student/employed/part time > employed/unemployed/retried] [x] > > Survey question from University of Hypothetical (due April 2014): > Did anyone from the OSM community greet you when you first started mapping? > [ > ][x] > > Survey question from University of Underwear (due May 2014): > Do you ever wear OSM underwear when mapping? > [ > ][x] > > -- > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: A short online questionnaire on the OSM users .....(It takes 48 seconds)
If my OSM profile page had the following, I would fill it out: *Demographic survey* You last updated this section in October 2011 * * Privacy: [ ] hide for now [ ] show to all logged in mappers [ ] show to administrators [*] reveal in aggregate only for qualified research studies. Demographics: Year of birth _ [x] Gender identity_ [x] Income___ [x] Other hobbies:_ [x] Employment status: [student/employed/part time employed/unemployed/retried] [x] Survey question from University of Hypothetical (due April 2014): Did anyone from the OSM community greet you when you first started mapping? [ ][x] Survey question from University of Underwear (due May 2014): Do you ever wear OSM underwear when mapping? [ ][x] -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Please test this "Native wikipedia link" - feature
It was IE8 on XP Sp3 that it did not work on. Rob ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: A short online questionnaire on the OSM users .....(It takes 48 seconds)
Clifford Snow wrote > Your survey is mostly demographics. There were two actual questions > related > to mapping. I'm not sure what you hope to achieve. Understanding the demographics of the mapping community can be a very interesting question and topic of research. After all, there has just been set up a new mailing list "diversity-talk", to discuss the demographics of openstreetmap and how to achieve a broad appeal to many different demographic groups. Having some good hard numbers about the current situation, to augment the data we already have, would be rather helpful. If good methods can be worked out how to achieve those numbers, these studies can be repeated periodically. That can then be helpful, amongst other things, to see if various outreach programs to try and diversify the community have had success, and if yes in which demographics. Understanding the motivation of mappers can also be hugely interesting! This information can help figure out how best to promote OSM and get more people involved in mapping and where best to focus efforts to attract more people. Clifford Snow wrote > Please rethink this survey and try again. Without knowing the questions this research is trying to answer and what other tools and data they are using as well as their analysis method, you cannot judge if it is a good survey and appropriately set up for the questions it hopes to address. Furthermore, good research in social sciences is often incredibly difficult. As you usually have no interventional control on the subject of study and you often have to deal with subjective reports in surveys. So it is often not uncommon to have to ask many seemingly redundant and strange questions in order to get around or detect biases. Clifford Snow wrote > As Frederik Ramm suggest, please > explain more about your research. I would be very interested in hearing more about the research as well. However, there are situations when you don't want to reveal the actual questions you are interested in ahead of time to your survey participants as alone the knowledge of what the researcher is interested can bias the results. With the relatively factual questions of this survey that seems less likely though.. Overall, I think there is more than enough room for a lot of different research, both social and gis research in the OSM community and its data. Imho it is great to see research into these topics and the more the better! -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Fwd-A-short-online-questionnaire-on-the-OSM-users-It-takes-48-seconds-tp5767270p5767309.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: A short online questionnaire on the OSM users .....(It takes 48 seconds)
One major problem with surveys is the responses. You really want a cross section sample so to be meaningful you'd need to generate a random list of OSM users to send the questionnaire to then try to get the highest response rate possible. OSM would need to be involved to send the questionnaire out by email. The number needed to create the sample would need to be worked out mathematically but it could be done. Language is a problem. The emails would need to stress the importance of replying even if the person concerned felt their answers were not important. I think probably it would make sense to run once a year then over time multiple years you can see trends. I'm not certain if you'd target active mappers or inactive ones, we have a fair number of these. One technique is to have a basic questionnaire and a more detailed questionnaire which is sent out to a smaller sub section of the sample. I would suggest a coordinated approach since the bigger the survey the better the quality of results. It needs a small committee to balance respondent burden with the value of the research. I'd also suggest a sample survey is run first, sometimes the questions or possible answers don't make sense to the respondents. For example job, retired isn't an option yet many mappers are retired. Cheerio John On 27 June 2013 14:55, Kai Krueger wrote: > I tried sending this mail through nabble earlier on, but it doesn't seem > to have gone through, so I'll try and resend. If you did get this email > twice, I apologise. > > > - > Clifford Snow wrote > >Your survey is mostly demographics. There were two actual questions > >related > >to mapping. I'm not sure what you hope to achieve. > > Understanding the demographics of the mapping community can be a very > interesting question and topic of research. > > After all, there has just been set up a new mailing list > "diversity-talk", to discuss the demographics of openstreetmap and how > to achieve a broad appeal to many different demographic groups. Having > some good hard numbers about the current situation, to augment the data > we already have, would be rather helpful. > > If good methods can be worked out how to achieve those numbers, these > studies can be repeated periodically. That can then be helpful, amongst > other things, to see if various outreach programs to try and diversify > the community have had success, and if yes in which demographics. > > Understanding the motivation of mappers can also be hugely interesting! > This information can help figure out how best to promote OSM and get > more people involved in mapping and where best to focus efforts to > attract more people. > > >Clifford Snow wrote > >Please rethink this survey and try again. > > Without knowing the questions this research is trying to answer and what > other tools and data they are using as well as their analysis method, > you cannot judge if it is a good survey and appropriately set up for the > questions it hopes to address. Furthermore, good research in social > sciences is often incredibly difficult. As you usually have no > interventional control on the subject of study and you often have to > deal with subjective reports in surveys. So it is often not uncommon to > have to ask many seemingly redundant and strange questions in order to > get around or detect biases. > > >Clifford Snow wrote > >As Frederik Ramm suggest, please > >explain more about your research. > > I would be very interested in hearing more about the research as well. > However, there are situations when you don't want to reveal the actual > questions you are interested in ahead of time to your survey > participants as alone the knowledge of what the researcher is interested > can bias the results. With the relatively factual questions of this > survey that seems less likely though.. > > Overall, I think there is more than enough room for a lot of different > research, both social and gis research in the OSM community and its > data. Imho it is great to see research into these topics and the more > the better! > > Kai > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: A short online questionnaire on the OSM users .....(It takes 48 seconds)
I tried sending this mail through nabble earlier on, but it doesn't seem to have gone through, so I'll try and resend. If you did get this email twice, I apologise. - Clifford Snow wrote >Your survey is mostly demographics. There were two actual questions >related >to mapping. I'm not sure what you hope to achieve. Understanding the demographics of the mapping community can be a very interesting question and topic of research. After all, there has just been set up a new mailing list "diversity-talk", to discuss the demographics of openstreetmap and how to achieve a broad appeal to many different demographic groups. Having some good hard numbers about the current situation, to augment the data we already have, would be rather helpful. If good methods can be worked out how to achieve those numbers, these studies can be repeated periodically. That can then be helpful, amongst other things, to see if various outreach programs to try and diversify the community have had success, and if yes in which demographics. Understanding the motivation of mappers can also be hugely interesting! This information can help figure out how best to promote OSM and get more people involved in mapping and where best to focus efforts to attract more people. >Clifford Snow wrote >Please rethink this survey and try again. Without knowing the questions this research is trying to answer and what other tools and data they are using as well as their analysis method, you cannot judge if it is a good survey and appropriately set up for the questions it hopes to address. Furthermore, good research in social sciences is often incredibly difficult. As you usually have no interventional control on the subject of study and you often have to deal with subjective reports in surveys. So it is often not uncommon to have to ask many seemingly redundant and strange questions in order to get around or detect biases. >Clifford Snow wrote >As Frederik Ramm suggest, please >explain more about your research. I would be very interested in hearing more about the research as well. However, there are situations when you don't want to reveal the actual questions you are interested in ahead of time to your survey participants as alone the knowledge of what the researcher is interested can bias the results. With the relatively factual questions of this survey that seems less likely though.. Overall, I think there is more than enough room for a lot of different research, both social and gis research in the OSM community and its data. Imho it is great to see research into these topics and the more the better! Kai ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: A short online questionnaire on the OSM users .....(It takes 48 seconds)
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 6:31 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: > Please rethink this survey and try again. As Frederik Ramm suggest, please > explain more about your research. > Agreed. The survey is flawed in a number of ways, not the least of which it will capture only readers of the talk mailing list, who likely don't represent the bulk of mappers. A survey built into the OSM signup and workflow would be much more representative. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: A short online questionnaire on the OSM users .....(It takes 48 seconds)
Your survey is mostly demographics. There were two actual questions related to mapping. I'm not sure what you hope to achieve. One question is on how often you map, the other is how social a mapper you are. Are you looking for a correlation between the two? Please rethink this survey and try again. As Frederik Ramm suggest, please explain more about your research. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:31 AM, jamal jokar wrote: > Hello OSMers, > > I am researching on the motivations and behaviors of OSM contributors as > my postdoc project and I would like to ask you kindly to go to the > following link that contains a short online questionnaire and help me and > the OSM community to have a better understanding of the OSM users in the > project. > > > http://en.q-set.de/Meine_Online-Umfragen/Umfrage_werbefrei_testen.php?screenData[sCode]=QVAVGHJRDNMV&button[goto][page1]=%7C > > Your data is going to be anonymously analyzed and therefore you are > assured of its confidentiality as well. > > Please don't hesitate to contact me if you come across any questions or > you have some feedback. > > Thank you in advance for your time and interest. > > Kind regards, > JJ > > > > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: A short online questionnaire on the OSM users .....(It takes 48 seconds)
Jamal, On 06/27/2013 01:31 PM, jamal jokar wrote: I am researching on the motivations and behaviors of OSM contributors as my postdoc project and I would like to ask you kindly to go to the following link that contains a short online questionnaire Could you explain, in a few words, in how far your questionnaire/study differs from the many other similar questionnaires we've had over the years? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Fwd: A short online questionnaire on the OSM users .....(It takes 48 seconds)
Hello OSMers, I am researching on the motivations and behaviors of OSM contributors as my postdoc project and I would like to ask you kindly to go to the following link that contains a short online questionnaire and help me and the OSM community to have a better understanding of the OSM users in the project. http://en.q-set.de/Meine_Online-Umfragen/Umfrage_werbefrei_testen.php?screenData[sCode]=QVAVGHJRDNMV&button[goto][page1]=%7C Your data is going to be anonymously analyzed and therefore you are assured of its confidentiality as well. Please don't hesitate to contact me if you come across any questions or you have some feedback. Thank you in advance for your time and interest. Kind regards, JJ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Overpass API Public Transport Line Diagram
Isn't the overpass line script only looking at route relations ? There is a relation for this subway, but the operator is STM (not stm)... See: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2996848 and also http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/270251 Some cleanup may be needed there... 2013/6/27 Guillaume Pratte : > Hello, > > I have discovered tonight the wonders of the Overpass API, and have been > trying to use the Public Transport Line Diagram generator from > http://overpass-api.de/public_transport.html to map the Montreal's subway > lines. > > I have added the required "network" tag on the ways, but the API still > refuses to render thel ine. > > Here's one example, the Orange Line: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/20233474 > > And here is what I think would be the proper way to create the schema for > this line: > > http://overpass-api.de/api/sketch-line?network=stm&ref=2&operator= > > What am I missing? > > Thanks! > > Guillaume Pratte > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France Un nouveau serveur pour OSM... http://donate.osm.org/server2013/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
