Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset messaging Notes feature question
Obviously I was not clear, I was talking about the left hand side panel that opens when you hit add note. It has about 5 lines of rambling red text there. Adding the duplicate tickbox there would take up the screen real estate, the problem is the right hand side (that is is very large in and many mobile browsers I cannot see all of them) -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Changeset-messaging-Notes-feature-question-tp5828578p5829604.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset messaging Notes feature question
Maybe a solution could be additionally displaying the map notes tickbox on the add note side panel. Showing if currently the map notes is on or not. This will also stop someone, in theory, adding a note someone else has already added as they are not aware there is a note there. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Changeset-messaging-Notes-feature-question-tp5828578p5829558.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] No more voting on mechanical edits
Andy, I idea that lets not fix things as it might be better to resurvey by hand for rejecting it is not any part of DWG policy or standards. You should stop pretending like it is. It seems like you want to appease the people those they think there area is mapped and need prompting to do any mapping. Notes answer is a cop out answer. It fixes nothing of things that can actually be fixed. We all know that a resurvey every few months of an average high street, etc is likely going to show changes. If these people want something to do and cannot think for themselves then I can write a bot that will place a note say Please resurvey every if nothing has changed in retail area greater then x in y months. Also the it seems to me like it is pointless is no reason again for DWG to reject this. There are many things I could think are pointless that I do not map and I am sure vice versa . If someone wants to map waste paper bins, benches, car park lanes, disabled access, grass verges on traffic islands, etc you should not stop nor discourage them. If someone want to *fix* waste paper bins, benches, car park lanes, disabled access, grass verges on traffic islands, etc you should not stop nor discourage them. Also the reason lets not do the mech edit because not all the info of that type is in the database is *not* reason for DWG to reject it. Let's me explain how this helps. If say the mapping as shop name is in taginfo 33% A, 33% B, 33% C then what do we name it. Each of us on a whim name it as we want or maybe have a more consistent name. What is more useful? dozens of names or just 1 or 2? We all know it is the same shop. I would be happy, and I imagine most be, would be to get an indication of how best to map it. Style and constancy is something we as a community should at least consider. Rather than reject outright. There seem to be too much hippie commune attitude of free love and free tagging here. It might work in small communities but when you have bigger projects like this is now we need more co-ordination. We do x in my patch, y in my patch, z in my patch. Again really how does that help anyone? People only care about there only little bit of the map. You travel 20 miles away and all the standards can be so different? I was actually hoping you were going to give ideas of how the mechanical edit could go ahead when you had suggestions alas not. In the spirit of freedom of information what mechanical edit would you are DWG in general actually approve? What have you approved? I know a fair bit about the data now and understand the station issues, etc. For people I know know computers I am surprised how little you want to use them to fix data issues. I have said before about data issues. Post processing is needed in many things but *first* if possible you should fix the data. That is all, as you know, we are trying to do here. (I often in situations you were talking I imagine it was not possible to fix the data here it is.) I can quote examples til the cows come home about the bad data in the database. Data that is came across it in you local patch you would fix without question. The real issue is some vocal people here don't want anyone editing in their area - at all. Period. They are so self indulgent they think that the project is not a community project at all it is *theirs*. Low and behold any sort of community consensus about how the rest of the world/country does things. They will just do it their way and ignore everyone else. They seem jealous of others actually mapping stuff. Oh as for OSM dinosaurs I see equally derogatory name-calling remarks all the time from the same OSMers, lets take wikifiddlers, armchair mappers, etc. Hell there is even that official looking graphic that some of you have adopted on your userpages. And you can do plenty from behind a computer keyboard, shops included. All you need a little skill and work. We can also talk about all this over the next pint. :-) Cheers, John -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/No-more-voting-on-mechanical-edits-tp5827513p5827786.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Suburbs in London/Brum - big edits
I am not a fan of reverting in general. Sure there are some mistakes here but surely not even the most steadfast old timers here think that *all* of these changes are wrong. Maybe *shrug* it is 50/50 here right/wrong. And I disagree with the *only* way to deal with is to revert. You could simply do no revert and change them individually. Not There is a mistake in the changeset on my patch therefore it should all be reverted...imagine the carnage if I started revert entire changesets where I found the tiniest of errors/typos. Reverting and some of the over zealous initial comments here just sound like this is my patch! how dare you change it I am perfect I have been doing this for years!!1!!one!! and in our area we do this! we/I will change it if it needs too not you!! I think it is better and more welcoming to new users to not revert and if the wiki is wrong to have clearer guidelines if required in our wiki. That, like it or not, is what user do look at, especially new users. I would argue that we need a more general UK guide to this rather than the in my patch we do it this way/ our wiki is just a guide approach. Again imagine if I started a whole new tagging scheme for highway= for my local patch. To argue well it is my local patch I can do what I want just wouldn't wash but that seems to be what we are doing here with the city/suburb situation we have different areas of the country will have different rules. Going forward I think wikipedia provides a reasonably good guide if they are area or a distinct town, villages, etc. I urge all involved (and obviously not just anyone can change these only an elite few) to look at all of these. I know some here, somewhat ironically, don't like crowd sourced information like wiki(pedia) but many find it the most useful and it is a public consensus nearly all of the time. It is what I use for reference for tagging villages, etc up and down the country. If wikipedia is wrong you know what you can do (change it! not f*** off). So Hayes, Hillingdon = town Wimbledon, London = suburb, not a town Sutton Coldfield, Brum= town that forms a suburb I would go with town. Jewellery Quarter, Brum = not a village so suburb or suitable subset of. etc The wikipedia approach is something that many people can understand and is quotable and a reference point. Reference points are useful for situations like this. I would be curious for any major objections for this approach. I would be very interested to so were any of those differ to what we should do and I think individually each case would warrant further debate. I think this would be better then a, IMHO, horrible one man band use place=town for places with a sizeable retail centre random rule, etc. I am not sure the on the ground rule applies here as much as you think. I know it is banged on about as some sort of self preservation for some. But remember we do not always do this despite what some may claim. For example, all admin boundaries do not have the entire boundary line visable on the ground. A sign saying -- town centre isn't often good enough if more official sources say that it is not. John -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Suburbs-in-London-Brum-big-edits-tp5824820p5825023.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[OSM-talk] More DNS issues with tile.openstreetmap.org (not resolving for me currently)
I am now getting DNS failed for I am in the UK using a Vodafone mobile dongle to connect. nslookup gives C:\Users\Rovastarnslookup tile.openstreetmap.org Server: UnKnown Address: 88.82.13.12 *** UnKnown can't find tile.openstreetmap.org: Server failed C:\Users\Rovastarnslookup www.openstreetmap.org Server: UnKnown Address: 88.82.13.12 Non-authoritative answer: Name:www.openstreetmap.org Addresses: 2001:630:12:500:219:bbff:fe39:8aba 2001:630:12:500:21a:4bff:fea5:fd2a 2001:630:12:500:219:bbff:fe39:3d9e 193.63.75.103 193.63.75.100 193.63.75.99 My mobile EE is all ok. I have tried a few other online sources I use to check DNS stuff (As I day job for the past 14 years I am/have been a web hosting consultant) CA/just-ping.com and that is ok. http://cloudmonitor.ca.com/en/dnstool.php?vhost=_vtt=1376692608varghost=tile.openstreetmap.orgvaction=tracetrace=analyse But pingdoms online DNS check gives errors doesn't even resolve currently. http://dnscheck.pingdom.com/?domain=tile.openstreetmap.orgtimestamp=1376691983view=1 (that is historic try again to test fresh) and DNSstuff gives errors in your SOA. http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools#dnsReport|type=domainvalue=tile.openstreetmap.com but resolves. Not all errors mean stuff is completely broken (you have to really understand DNS and your setup to get the best understanding and some complex large global corp DNS infrastuturces can do things in ways that confuse online scanners IBM, etc) but it is for me and may be propagating around to everyone SOA errors often show something broken. I would also a reduce your TTL you have been having (and still are) to less then the current 24 hours until you get to bottom of these issues otherwise the lag on fixing and/or creating more issue will be problematic to solve. I can give you a hand diagnosing if needed. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/More-DNS-issues-with-tile-openstreetmap-org-not-resolving-for-me-currently-tp5773835.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] More DNS issues with tile.openstreetmap.org (not resolving for me currently)
Sorry ignore some of my last mail some of these failed online tools only work on top levels domains (it late *yawn* and I wasn't paying attention) rather than subdomains. Anyway I still get a lookup fail. Maybe it is just my ISP.*shrug* -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/More-DNS-issues-with-tile-openstreetmap-org-not-resolving-for-me-currently-tp5773835p5773836.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] the brilliant and constantly improving Wikipedia of maps
Great however the OSM referenced has been shoehorned in there (not complaining though), as the cartographers mentioned finding the new 2000ft mountain just seemed to use Ordinance Surveynotably the wrong height appears on OSM and not updated. :( http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.81021lon=-2.60709zoom=16layers=M -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Re-the-brilliant-and-constantly-improving-Wikipedia-of-maps-tp5759027p5759062.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org
What a great addition to the growing new tools/features to the OSM homepage. Fantastic work. In fact I am using the beta as my main map now. A couple of things. A)I having problems when selecting any (large) area. For example a stadium, park, shopping centre, hospital, school, etc where they are amenity, etc as an area. It often selects the smaller POIs inside/on top of the area but not the actual area itself (so returning individual buildings, shops, streams, playgrounds, etc). Often it will display nothing. Occasionally it will get a hit the overall area but not very often and there seems to be no logic to it. Is that because I am not hitting the actual nodes? Or maybe you are not covering areas properly? Even if I search in OSM for e.g. the shopping centre and it places the pointer right in the middle of the area it often will not find anything. Technically it is likely more difficult to get catch areas rather than nodes but logically for the users you want to catch the areas. I imagine relations as multiple ways of areas is even more complex to get a confirmed hit but initially I am just talking about polygon areas B) wikipedia links. It has been said already but even then there is some confusion. The recommended way for tagging wikipedia links is to use wikipedia=language:page title and not wikipedia=http://en.wikipedia.com/blah Here is our wiki page about wikipedia tagging - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikipedia As we have a lot of wikipedia links now it would be great to link directly to the real pages. e.g. Tag wikipedia=en:St Paul's Cathedral would resolve to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Paul%27s_Cathedral But you will have to go some regex/Encoding to get this correct. Anyway sorry if that sounded negative it is just to give feedback and not headaches, keep up the good work. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/POI-display-on-osm-org-tp5745598p5745698.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode data
Postcodes don't have to assigned to buildings in OSM. In the last couple of weeks I have not added any postcodes to buildings but I have added postcodes to amenities as areas including stadiums, schools, hospitals and police stations. None of these were buildings. Once you have a plan here then remember to run it by the import mailing list. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Postcode-data-tp5744277p5744382.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org
Firstly, I didn't expect so much conversation on this. I must say I never really though about the closed nature vs open source of OSM conflict. And I am not a facebook user myself (I really dislike the walled garden idea that is facebook) and only joined Twitter to see what it is about, I've not used it. (However I do sometimes read the info on facebook, search twitter and google plus to see the latest OSM news. Just like I've been lurking and reading the talk mailing lists for years and only joined for this.) I was only thinking that a load of people use these social networks, we run the facebook account, the Google Plus account and Twitter feed. A billion plus all could spread the word of OSM more. I didn't actually realise their is no YouTube channel. I just thought we had one and that is why I mentioned it, to be honest. But an official channel it would be great for tutorials and stuff but you can always use Vimeo or something. And a bravo for Jonathan for getting this done and I am glad that it was already thought of. And a big thank you for running these social networks and spreading the word of OSM. I would like to think even the biggest critics of these closed-silos would appreciate the work you put in to keep the world informed. I look forward forward to seeing the mock up. Cheers, John -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Simple-improvement-s-to-openstreetmap-org-tp5743501p5743700.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org
I joined the mailing list just to get involved in the OpenStreetMap Future Look discussion and join in the fight but now it has turned into a love in. :-) *hugs* What about a easier more practical suggestion to improve OpenStreetMap.org! My idea is simple can someone add modern social media networks logos/links to the home page. Nearly every site now has twitter, facebook, google plus, youtube channel, etc links. We have these social media outlets lets tell people about them. They could easily go under the Make a donation button as a 2x2 grid of icons for the big 4 social networks. I think this would improve the connectivity of the site to our other social outlets. Give an official stamp of approval. Improve the social aspect of it, increase numbers to these social channels. Help people find video tutorial and spread the word of osm further. I cannot see any harm in this it would take up very little screen real estate and I think look a more professional cohesive community. Now I do it is do-ocracy and technically very easy to do but for me but to recreate the osm site and get access etc will take me forever. I am sure someone with access could do this html change quicker and I can do some mapping. .so what you think. +1 and -1's welcome. (I also want routing, higher zoom levels (not only for the map detail but it must be terrifying to newbies when the lowest zoom level before you click edit could result in thousands of nodes on a half a mile square area when they only want to name 1 street or add a pub), history tweaks (nice one Pawel), social member to member features, extra mapnik map detail (lets display rollercoasters (there are 'best of osm' detailed theme park but major features missing :) ), skateboard parks, etc too), etc but this post is not about that. ;) Cheers, John -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Simple-improvement-s-to-openstreetmap-org-tp5743501.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
