Re: [OSM-talk] Approved: Unsubscribe

[Tom Taylor]

This is Lisa Taylor on behalf of Tom Taylor, who died 24/12/15.  Please
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Re: [OSM-talk] From osmf-talk: "Balancing the presence of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT US Inc) in the OpenStreetMap Foundation"

[Tom Taylor]

Thank you for a thought-provoking reply. I am neither a HOT voting 
member nor an OSMF voting member, so I'm probably unaware of any 
internal politics that are going on. I do chair the HOT Training WG, 
which I see as an attempt to solve a problem: hundreds or thousands of 
volunteers who want to contribute and have to be made capable of doing 
so in a very short time. And I do see a general trend toward 
professionalization of HOT operations, more or less for the same reasons.


As a naive lurker on the lists, I took the announced candidacies at face 
value. That is, committed individuals decided individually to run for 
office. I agree that if all of them got elected, HOT would dominate the 
Board, but that is surely not a foregone conclusion. But do you really 
have evidence of a HOT conspiracy as opposed to a set of committed 
individuals?


I note the references to Kate Chapman as representative of HOT. She is 
no longer executive director there. Is she not up for re-election?


Tom Taylor
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On 27/11/2015 6:27 PM, augustindo...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Dave,

Your question is not adressed to me but I'd like to participate here.

My name is Augustin Doury, I've been active in OpenStreetMap since end
2012 as a daily commitment to sustain the growth of OSM communities in
West Africa, especially on the field in Senegal where I've been a HOT
volunteer for 5 months and last year as a Projet Espace OpenStreetMap
Francophone volunteer in Burkina Faso for 1 year, plus missions in Ivory
Coast (volunteer) and Togo (paid). I'm a HOT US Inc member since 2013.

Because I've seen what HOT became this last 3 years, I don't want to see
OSM project suffering the same problems as the HOT project.

As others, I think that HOT is a project about using OSM in humanitarian
and development fields, and as any open/free project, everybody should
be able to choose his/her approach within the HOT concept but what
occurs now is that choices are more and more restricted, less choices
for individuals and collectives.
Because HOT US Inc, with its specific vision, has almost monopolized the
HOT project in terms of communication&tools (the logo, the communication
channels, the lists, the story/reputation, the Tasking Manager, the HOT
Exports  ...), I fear that a position at the OSMF board reinforce its
influence.

During the two pasts HOT US Inc elections, I tried as others to give
this point of view and advocate for the definition of a HOT Project with
a HOT Charter and HOT Commons that any individual or organization could
concur with and even officially join and/or fund, as explained by
Severin Menard on his diary [1]. It's for us, in our diversity, the good
way to maintain diversity in the HOT Project, respecting minorities.
I've seen how the HOT US board rejected this approach, saying that there
is not HOT US Inc, there is just HOT and HOT US Inc is HOT and should
not be called « US Inc » because it creates dividness within the HOT
community. I've seen the level of violence some HOT US Inc people were
able to trigger to close the debate without respect for those who work
hard everyday, especially from the field, for making what the HOT
project is now.

The concept of attribution is essential in the OSM project and I feel
like HOT US Inc, by its communication hegemony, benefits from the work
of numerous volunteers from South and North who give their time for the
HOT/OSM project, not for a NGO (which is nowadays in an active
fundraising campain).

I would not like to see this logic implements in OSMF. And simply I do
not understand the aim of the candidates from HOT US Inc to get more
seats at the OSMF board when Kate Chapman is already a board member.
In my opinion, HOT US Inc should not get more than one seat to let the 6
other seats to people who represent other aspects from the OSM ecoystem.

Have a good night from Togo and good vote,

Augustin

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/sev_hotosm/diary/21846


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Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

[Tom Taylor]

Isn't it simply the equivalent of TinyURL for coordinates?

Tom Taylor
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On 24/11/2015 9:00 AM, Andres Ortiz Haro wrote:

When I first knew about w3w I thought it was some kind of a "solution in search of a 
problem", searching for other views on the matter I actually found a great blog post 
[1] with an explanation and a funny example as to why they don't help much, if you don't 
have time for a long read you can still skip to the last part where a fictional scenario 
using w3w is presented (that's the funny part).


[1] http://blog.telemapics.com/?p=589


Regards,

Andrés


From: Paul Johnson 
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Cc: openstreetmap
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] What3words



On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 3:10 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer 
mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote:

2015-11-24 8:54 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale 
mailto:colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>>:
I think their idea is that you can quote a location with the words which for 
humans is much easier to memorize and less prone to mishearing over dodgy phone 
and radio links than lat/lon or some other scientific grid reference.


yes, but it has a lot of other disadvantages, e.g. the fact that you can't know 
anything about the location without their API: you can't see from the 3 words 
where approximately a place is, and therefore you also can't see which 
3-word-combinations are close to each other and which are far. Traditional 
addressing works much better for these situations where you already know 
something of the city, e.g. you can bet that Downing Street 11 is not too far 
away from Downing Street 10. Imagine a postman having to deliver a bag of 
letters with only 3-word addresses on them. He'd very likely need some kind of 
device and look up all of them rather than knowing them by heart.

Or in the case of the traveling salesman/field service engineer scenario, I 
couldn't tell you where head.butt.teakettle is but give me a street address 
within about 50-70 miles of Tulsa or Oklahoma City's address origins and I can 
get you to within about a mile of that location and know which side of the road 
to be looking on straight off the top of my head, even if I've never been there 
before.  And if it's an unnamed county road or a section line I happen to know 
the name of, I don't even need a map.




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Re: [OSM-talk] A message to our friends at HOT, Peace Corps etc. about Changeset Comments

[Tom Taylor]

On 19/11/2015 5:31 AM, Andy Townsend wrote:

On 19/11/2015 10:16, Ben Abelshausen wrote:


You can go the tasking manager and see exactly what the goal of the
mapping activity was, who is the admin that created the task and who
validates, what mappers contributed and so on.


Can you please explain where any of that is documented within
OpenStreetMap?  As an example, I recently came across this:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/381043577

It's a building that is a closed way, but only just.  How can I offer to
help that mapper do what they are trying to do better?  All the
changeset comment says is "#MissingMaps #hotosm-project-1254 Lubumbashi,
Congo (DRC) #100mapathons #OSMGeoWeek " - to me the only useful
information in there is "Lubumbashi, Congo (DRC)", which I already know
since that is exactly where this edit is.

More importantly, how do I contact the person who told this new mapper
that "#MissingMaps #hotosm-project-1254 Lubumbashi, Congo (DRC)
#100mapathons #OSMGeoWeek" was a suitable changeset comment, to explain
to them what we use changeset comments for and what makes a good one? If
I can talk to them, I can probably help them help other new users too,
and not just with stuff about changeset comments - as an OSM mapper
think of all the "how to interpret imagery" latent knowledge that you
have simply by being able to compare a place you visited with the
imagery of that place.

Cheers,

Andy


...
Blake Girardot has written a template for HOT coordinators to use when 
putting together the instructions for their project. Anyhing this 
community agrees on regarding changeset comments should go into that 
template document. I will note the issue at next Monday's HOT Training 
Working Group meeting.


BTW the HOT Training WGF has been tasked with updating LerarnOSM, for 
the general OSM community as well as HOT. The work is going a bit slowly 
-- a matter of personal circumstances of the people involved, but it is 
proceeding.


Tom Taylor
Chair, HOT Training WG

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[OSM-talk] Suppression of spam

[Tom Taylor]

To OSM-Talk administrators:

All those "New Message" E-mails are coming through one account: 
br...@desrocher.org. We've blocked them from the HOT list by putting 
that account into moderation.


Tom Taylor

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Re: [OSM-talk] What is "OS OpenMap" (UK)?

[Tom Taylor]

The feedback should go both ways, if OSM members detect errors and know 
where they came from they should report back.


Tom Taylor

On 22/02/2015 9:27 AM, Stefan Keller wrote:

Hi Jonathan

Thanks for the clarification.

My fist intention is to take this announcement to put pressure on
other national mapping agencies to release their map data under an
open license.

But thinking about real openess and cooperation (egov and OSM)
consider this: Often mapping agencies encourage users to report map
errors very much like OSM does in order to enhance their data (e.g.
this http://bit.ly/1p5xVH4). So, I'd like to suggest to national
mapping agencies to not only release their data but also updates
coming from such crowdsourced user input.

Cheers, S.


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[OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: [dispatch] Forming and chartering a GeoJSON WG

[Tom Taylor]

Thought this proposed new Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) 
activity might be of interest.


Tom Taylor


 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Re: [dispatch] Forming and chartering a GeoJSON WG
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:59:04 -0800
From: Erik Wilde 
To: dispa...@ietf.org
CC: Pete Resnick , metaz...@fastmail.net, 
Sean Gillies , Barry Leiba 


hello.

On 2015-02-03 16:40 , Richard Barnes wrote:

Sorry for the delay here.  It looks like the next step here is to send a
charter proposal to the DISPATCH mailing list, dispa...@ietf.org


we have had conversations about establishing an IETF WG for GeoJSON,
which would be chartered with taking the current GeoJSON definition, and
turning it into an IETF RFC. the next step in this process seems to be
proposing a charter. please find the proposed charter in this email to
dispa...@ietf.org, and it also is available online here:

https://github.com/geojson/draft-geojson/blob/master/charter.md

==

Proposed GeoJSON WG Charter

GeoJSON

GeoJSON is a geospatial data interchange format based on JavaScript
Object Notation (JSON). It was published at http://geojson.org in 2008.
It has succeeded in streamlining geographic information system standards
and making them accessible to practitioners of modern web development.
GeoJSON today plays an important role in many spatial databases, web
APIs, and open data platforms.

This WG will work on a GeoJSON Format RFC that specifies the format more
precisely and serves as a better guide for implementers. The work will
start from an Internet-Draft written by the original authors. This I-D,
draft-butler-geojson-04, substantially improves the format
specification. The remaining tasks of the WG are:

* Further clarification of the GeoJSON format specification.
* Addition of implementation advice based on lessons learned since 2008.
* geoAddition of more explicit extension advice to the specification.

The addition of new features to the GeoJSON format is not within the
scope of this WG. One possible exception to this (depending on WG
consensus) is the adoption of JSON Text Sequences as an alternative way
of serializing sets of GeoJSON objects.

==

thanks a lot and kind regards,

dret.

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Re: [OSM-talk] MEP - pipelines

[Tom Taylor]

On 07/01/2015 5:37 AM, althio althio wrote:

Maybe derailling and off-topic but anyway I do agree...
To be discussed on tagging, dev, ...?


While we're at it, it would be nice to have a database that allows going
from the tagged item (e.g., "fitness centre") to recommended tag.


The iD editor has a nice internal feature called aliases, so a person
looking to add a restroom will find the toilet preset.


+1
We need something like those aliases, but centralised so all editors have
the same presets, and data consumers don't have to dig around our wiki and
taginfo to find what they need.


+1


Also, if data consumers use this potential online service to dinamically get
the tags they need, their process wouldn't be vulnerable to these kinds of
changes.


+1



I'll start a page today, based only on the Features page I cited in the 
first place. I assume that will be non-controversial. Then we can add to 
it.


Do you think I should subscribe to the tag list and warn them?

Tom Taylor
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Re: [OSM-talk] MEP - pipelines

[Tom Taylor]

On 06/01/2015 8:16 AM, Lester Caine wrote:

On 03/01/15 22:05, François Lacombe wrote:

...



This is possibly a case for a separate API for the management of tag
metadata? Nothing stopping private tagging, but controlling better the
core tagging infrastructure and allowing MANAGEMENT of the evolution of
tags.



While we're at it, it would be nice to have a database that allows going 
from the tagged item (e.g., "fitness centre") to recommended tag. Maybe 
I'm missing something that already exists, but at the moment my 
understanding is that the Map Features page at


  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features

is my primary resource. This provides the reverse mapping from tag to 
feature, and I have to search the whole page to get what I need in the 
other direction.


If the mapping I need doesn't exist, I'll be glad to add a Wiki page 
containing it. It would obviously have to cross-reference advice on the 
Features page.


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Re: [OSM-talk] This has to stop: User Diaries Spam

[Tom Taylor]

On 14/05/2014 5:53 AM, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote:

Having just had over 20 such entries popping up not only on the RSS-feed
but also on Twitter this indeed has become very irksome.

I suggest first posting of a user with less than 10 edits to be held for
moderation. Red tape which I generally am hesitant about but generally
people with less than 10 edits don't post until they have some more
experience.

Google Translate might be of use to decipher postings if moderators
don't understand them, just to get the gist of whether it is an ad for
printer cartridges or a proper post.

--Jói



Strictly speaking it's not according to IETF rules, but on the lists
I help maintain I turn on moderation for originators of spam when I
see it but leave it off for everyone else. I don`t know if it`s
possible to do that for the diaries.

Tom

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Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM should delete image caches on exit

[Tom Taylor]

On 12/01/2014 2:43 AM, Paul Johnson wrote:

Caching images for a given session makes lots of sense, but leaving
them forever really does not. How do I put a request in to the JOSM
developers to ensure that images caches are deleted upon exit from JOSM?


As someone in a low-bandwidth situation, I'd prefer to keep the cache;
hopefully the existing behavior will still be available.


I looked up the reference Frederick gave and found JOSM already supplies 
what I need. The discussion reference is:



http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/JMapViewerTiles-folder-in-my-Temp-folder-td5722203.html

The advice was:

You can clear the cache by right
clicking in the map and using the "Flush tile cache" option in the
context menu. That will clear the cache for the currently visible
imagery layer. You can also change where the cache is stored in your
preferences under the WMS/TMS "Settings" tab.

Tom

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Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM should delete image caches on exit

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On 11/01/2014 11:02 PM, Joseph R. Justice wrote:

On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Tom Taylor mailto:tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I started a virus scan a couple of days ago and wondered why
scanning seemed to hang up on a particular file. Investigating
further I found it was a folder -- of cached Bing images dating back
from the first days of my remote mapping activity to the present.
There were 450,000 of them! It has taken me two days running at 100%
computer utilization much of the time to get rid of them. (Maybe I
did it wrong. Simply deleting the containing folder containing the
last 150,000 just took a couple of minutes.)


Oops, re the 450,000 files.  As for the time / effort it tool to remove
them, you might have been deleting them one by one from the directory,
especially if you were doing it from a GUI interface than from the
command line -- again, Oops.


Caching images for a given session makes lots of sense, but leaving
them forever really does not. How do I put a request in to the JOSM
developers to ensure that images caches are deleted upon exit from JOSM?


I agree that purging old and particularly obsolete data in an image
cache makes sense.  I also agree that it makes sense to initiate purging
the cache without requiring the user to initiate the purge.

However, I disagree that the image cache should always be automatically
purged when exiting from JOSM.  What if the person restarts it right
away, or next day, or next week, and wants to work on the same area they
were previously working in?  In this case, the data in the image cache
at the time of the exit is likely still useful, and it would be a waste
of downloading time and network bandwidth to download it again.

I also disagree that the image cache should always be purged without
user intervention.  (I agree that this option should be available to be
selected by the user, but it probably should not be the default.)  Maybe
the user knowingly never wants the cache automatically purged, for
whatever reason.  Maybe the user wants to know what's going on, and have
some control as to how much is purged or kept.

I think a better choice would be to have JOSM generate a notification
upon exit when the cache is above some (potentially configurable) level,
saying "The image cache is over N bytes / N files / has data over N days
old -- would you like the oldest information over this limit purged?"
Perhaps some sort of sliding scale configurator, showing how much is in
the cache now and how much free space will be regained by deleting data
more than a day / a week / a month / N days old.


...

Thanks for your reply. I agree with your suggestions, really, and 
thought about them myself. It's why I specified "exit" rather than 
"restart", for one thing. I just wanted to make things simple for the 
developers.


For myself, I was going to apply the equivalent of your policy by 
manually deleting the cache when I moved on to a new area.


Tom


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[OSM-talk] JOSM should delete image caches on exit

[Tom Taylor]

I started a virus scan a couple of days ago and wondered why scanning 
seemed to hang up on a particular file. Investigating further I found it 
was a folder -- of cached Bing images dating back from the first days of 
my remote mapping activity to the present. There were 450,000 of them! 
It has taken me two days running at 100% computer utilization much of 
the time to get rid of them. (Maybe I did it wrong. Simply deleting the 
containing folder containing the last 150,000 just took a couple of 
minutes.)


Caching images for a given session makes lots of sense, but leaving them 
forever really does not. How do I put a request in to the JOSM 
developers to ensure that images caches are deleted upon exit from JOSM?


Tom Taylor
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Re: [OSM-talk] The new OpenStreetMap.org design

[Tom Taylor]

I like it, myself. Didn't see the search box when I first went in, but 
found it on second try. The first time I was conditioned by all the 
controversy over the welcome box and half expected not to find it, I guess.


I have had a problem for the past two weeks, where the map sticks to my 
mouse cursor. Since it started before the new design, I don't imagine it 
has anything to do with it. I'm running Firefox. Maybe something changed 
there?


TomT5454
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On 03/12/2013 7:52 PM, John Firebaugh wrote:

This past weekend, the OpenStreetMap.org front page launched with a
new design. This was a big step for a site whose design hasn't changed
much in 7 years [1]. The goal of the redesign was to make the site
more inviting for newcomers, easier and more efficient for veterans,
to clean it up and refresh its looks, and to resolve a number of
longstanding usability issues and bugs.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Timezones

[Tom Taylor]

Supposing I wanted to undertake a project to solve this class of 
problem, either using layers or areas or something e3lse. I imagine the 
project would have a number of peices, since it affects the database, 
editors, rendering tools, and heaven knows what else.


On which list would we flesh out requirements? Then on which list would 
we architect a solution? And finally, on which list would we coordinate 
solution development?


Tom Taylor
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[OSM-talk] Another New Scientist article mentioning OSM

[Tom Taylor]

"Cars that look around to work out where they are" -- match observed 
intersections and bends in the road against OSM to locate where they are.


http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21929255.900-cars-that-look-around-to-work-out-where-they-are.html

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[OSM-talk] New Scientist article on OpenStreetMap and HOT

[Tom Taylor]

Article at

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23808-citizen-cartographers-fill-the-gaps-in-maps.html


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Re: [OSM-talk] Revival: Multilingual Country-List

[Tom Taylor]

In fact, here in Ottawa, Canada, we do name= for the English and then 
name:fr= for the French version, for all streets. Across the river in 
Gatineau, Quebec, the practice is to do name= and not 
bother with the English. I have no idea if software trying to process 
our region is aware of the difference.


On 21/02/2013 7:01 AM, Hans Schmidt wrote:

Am 21.02.2013 12:36, schrieb Peter Wendorff:

Well... if there's no localized name tag, then you may omit the
name:xx tag for that language, as there's no alternative.
On the other hand name:de might be useful even then, as it's possible
to translate programmatically if the software knows about the
language. The German suffixes -straße, -weg, -platz could be
automatically transcoded to street, way and square, the afaik swedish
-gatan is street again, väg is way and so on.
But if you try to translate something to another language this way
where you don't know the source language, it's much more difficult.


Why would you want to translate the street names? Do you want to
translate Paris' “Avenue des Champs-Élysées” to “Allee der
Champs-Élysées”? Nobody would know what it is anymore.
Also, nobody wants to translate a “Lindenallee” in some minor german
town to “Linden avenue”.  Also, automatic translation would be error prone.


So a recommendation might be to
- always tag name
- if you translate name into different languages, always add
name:originalLanguageCode with the same content
- if you want, add that even if you don't translate it to different
languages.

Yes, that's redundant - but it's easy to cut out for software (cut out
every language attribute that equals the plain name), if wanted; and
it's less error prone than a tag like "language=de" or like the lists
of default language areas you propose above.
Sure: These list are helpful for all cases where only name is given,
and that's a necessity for great software dealing with that, but
that's the way defaults in OSM work: there should be a few defaults
for mappers, where they should decide to not add a tag, but more
defaults for data consumers, who could/should be able to have a best
guess where data is missing.


You say that there should be few defaults for mappers. But what you
propose is exactly the opposite: You'd have a default, meaning that you
would need to create a name:originallanguage even if there is a name
present. I would bet that nobody does this. And if you don’t do it like
that, chaos will occur if you decide to display the name.

In contrast, if you do it based on region, it would simplify things much
more:

1. You take the nodes/relation for Canada, add language=en.
2. You take the nodes/relation for Québec: language=fr

Then everybody would just continue using name=British Columbia and
name=Montréal, and no problem. The multilingual renderer would then
show, in case the user wants to see French names, name=Montréal and
name:fr=Colombie-Britannique. If the user is English, he would show
name:en=Montreal and name:British Columbia.

Tell me where this is not easier than adding a redundant name:en or
name:fr for every town, bus stop and street in Canada. You would only
have to change the multilangual renderer so that it would display it
like that. This is no problem because I guess it is still in development
– It could be done relatively easy (from a non-developer standpoint
speaking).

Plus, most of todays nodes only have a name=... tag, not a name:xyz=...
one. You would not need to change anything.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Paweł's q: what can be done?

[Tom Taylor]

Below.

On 04/02/2013 10:13 PM, Robin Paulson wrote:
...


when you say "the project", you imply the people who contribute can be
fashioned into a unity. i am fundamentally against that, it is flawed
thinking. we are a multitude [1], not a singular, and thus we cannot be
represented by anything less than ourselves.


I find this supremely ironic, given that we are talking about the 
organization of a mapping project. After all, the whole idea of mapping 
is that you can't represent everything and have to choose what details 
to omit. In the same way, it is necessary to abstract from all the 
details of participants' interests if any coherence is to be given to 
the project as a whole.


Tom Taylor

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Re: [OSM-talk] STFU

[Tom Taylor]

I'm interested in OSM. I do mapping. I subscribed to Talk after a few 
weeks on Newbies, but all these political outcries strongly tempt me to 
unsubscribe. They don't contribute to the mapping that is presumably our 
primary interest.


On 02/02/2013 5:07 PM, Paweł Paprota wrote:

On 02/02/2013 10:23 PM, Chris Hill wrote:

Threats to leave the project remind me of the bullshit thrown around
 during licence-change when hardly anyone actually had the balls to
follow through. If people are so unhappy then go, but do so quickly
and quietly and leave the people really interested in OSM to continue
making the very best map database we can.


So you don't acknowledge that there are people (like me) who are "really
interested in OSM" and same time they are discouraged by a situation
like this and are considering leaving the project?

By your logic either everyone has to STFU and agree with the actions of
OSMF or they have to leave the project because they are not really
interested in OSM.

Paweł

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Re: [OSM-talk] Announcement: Second City, Birmingham, and its surrounds completed

[Tom Taylor]

On 23 Dec 2008, at 09:37, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:

> It is with great pleasure, and not just a little excitement, that I  
> can
> announce that the mappers in Birmingham having set the task of  
> completing
> the whole of the city by Christmas have achieved just that.

That's fantastic work - congratulations!

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM quality in the UK - academic paper

[Tom Taylor]

On 7 Aug 2008, at 16:24, SteveC wrote:

> I'm still reading...
>
> http://povesham.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/osm-quality-evaluation/

That's really interesting, especially seeing the link between poverty  
and OSM status made explicit. As you say: "no one wants to map estates".

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Re: [OSM-talk] Osmxapi down?

[Tom Taylor]

On 13 Jul 2008, at 10:13, Shaun McDonald wrote:
> Which URL were you doing? What were you expecting, and what did you  
> get
> instead?

I've been getting this on and off for a while.

--2008-07-13 10:26:38--  http://www.informationfreeway.org/api/0.5/ 
node[amenity=pub][bbox=-6,50,2,61]
Resolving www.informationfreeway.org... 80.68.90.42
Connecting to www.informationfreeway.org|80.68.90.42|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found
Location: 
http://osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org/api/0.5/node%5bamenity=pub%5d%5bbbox=-6,50,2,61%5d
 
  [following]
--2008-07-13 10:26:40--  
http://osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org/api/0.5/node%5bamenity=pub%5d%5bbbox=-6,50,2,61%5d
Resolving osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org... 137.110.119.130
Connecting to osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org|137.110.119.130|:80...  
connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 501 Internal Server Error
2008-07-13 10:27:08 ERROR 501: Internal Server Error.


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[OSM-talk] UK Postcode district boundaries

[Tom Taylor]

Hi all,

Is there any open data available containing UK postcode district  
boundaries (eg. YO31, E5, HP16)? Ideally I'd like to be able to put in  
a longitude and latitude and find out what district it falls inside.

Failing that, what about postcode area? (eg. YO, E, HP)

Cheers,

Tom

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Re: [OSM-talk] UK post box data

[Tom Taylor]

On 5 Jul 2008, at 16:51, Shaun McDonald wrote:

> http://edwardbetts.com/osm/stations.html

That's nice. I'll see if I can knock something similar together using  
postcode boundaries.

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Re: [OSM-talk] UK post box data

[Tom Taylor]

On 5 Jul 2008, at 15:29, Shaun McDonald wrote:
> The problem is that you are geocoding using Yahoo's geocoding  
> services. Which simply isn't compatible with the OSM licence. If you  
> were to use OSM or free the postcode data for doing the geocoding,  
> then you would be able to do it.

Agreed, but Free The Postcode simply doesn't contain the density of  
data required. Until the Postcode Address File is released, I don't  
see a better way of doing it.

> However postcodes are not very accurate, they get you to within a  
> quarter/half/full street.

Again, agreed, but Royal Mail themselves don't hold any more accurate  
information.

> All post boxes in OSM are done more accurate than that. It would be  
> far better to say, there should be a post box somewhere in this  
> area, and there isn't one yet. Presenting this in a status page  
> online would be more useful. Someone done this for the railway  
> stations.

Have you got a URL for this?

Out of interest, what is it about Yahoo's geocoding that make it  
incompatible with OSM? As I understand it, you cannot copyright facts.  
No doubt it's far more complex than that.

Cheers,

Tom

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[OSM-talk] UK post box data

[Tom Taylor]

Hello all,

I recently made a Freedom of Information Act request for the location  
of every UK post box. Royal Mail responded with a 1600 page PDF  
containing their info.

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/location_of_every_post_box_that

I did some parsing of the PDF, and it seems that of the 114,000 post  
boxes in the UK, 50599 seem to have valid postcode data.

I'm currently geocoding these postcodes using Yahoo's service, and  
wondered if the resulting longitudes and latitudes would be of  
interest to OSM and could be integrated. I'm not entirely clear on the  
licensing of it. Can anyone clarify?

Cheers,

Tom

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[OSM-talk] Tagging pub review URLs

[Tom Taylor]

Is there a recommended way of tagging URLs for amenities, such a pubs?  
I'm thinking for their home pages, customer reviews, etc. Is it even  
recommended?

Cheers,

Tom

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Re: [OSM-talk] pubs.iamnear.net launched

[Tom Taylor]

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 3:59 PM, David Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Namefinder already does this:

Agreed, but this is designed entirely for Fire Eagle and a mobile interface.

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Re: [OSM-talk] pubs.iamnear.net launched

[Tom Taylor]

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Paul Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  is there a way to get those results as xml (or even better, for
>  my purposes, as gpx waypoints)?

I'm exporting from the OSM Extended API
, which spits it out
in XML. It's easy enough to parse into GPX if you wanted to.

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[OSM-talk] pubs.iamnear.net launched

[Tom Taylor]

Hello all,

I wrote a really simple application to grab your location from Fire
Eagle, and show you the nearest five pubs. Of course, the pub data is
sourced from OSM
(only those with names set). You'll need a Fire Eagle invitation for it to work.

http://www.iamnear.net

I'm still messing around with it, but any suggestions are greatly
appreciated, included what the next x.iamnear.net should be.

Cheers,

Tom

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