Re: [Talk-GB] Relation: Street

[Paul Berry]

I understood the general rule of thumb was to map to the data and not to
the renderer (which is an unknown quantity). If you're concerned about,
say, OSM Standard layer, then I'm sure some kind of look-ahead could be
employed when preparing a street for rendering:

"If a way shares a start or end node with another way of the same type and
name, treat as a single way when writing the name."

Sticking with OSM Standard layer, there's also an issue at the other end of
the scale where the name /isn't/ repeated, and where doing so would improve
readability.

Contrast...

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/22733502
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/236297998
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/236297987

...which actually need coalescing into a single way, but the point stands,
and...

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/150134209

...where (depending on zoom level) you have to read along and up from the
B-road to find the street name.

Thoughts?

Regards,
*Paul*


On 21 November 2016 at 20:55, Simon Poole  wrote:

>
> Brian was referring to "street" relations, not "associatedStreet" which
> is something very different.
>
> In any case, I believe the support for street relations approaches
> roughly zero, and that really the repeated street names is something the
> renderer needs to fix (and it can be done).
>
> Simon
>
>
> Am 21.11.2016 um 21:02 schrieb Marc Gemis:
> > An associatedStreet has no impact at all on the renderer.
> > Nominated uses it to a certain degree to match houses with streets (in
> > case the addr:street does not match the name of a street in the
> > proximity).
> > There are some tools from the French community that uses this relation
> > as well. The French typically place some reference information into
> > the relation.
> >
> > I think the street relation is used / supported even less.
> >
> > regards
> >
> > m
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 8:53 PM, Brian Prangle 
> wrote:
> >> Hi everyone
> >>
> >> Road ways are becoming increasingly chopped up into smaller pieces as
> more
> >> data is added ( speedlimits, bus routes, cycle routes, lane counts,
> lane
> >> types and  lane turns; restrictions etc.) and the name becomes similarly
> >> repeated.
> >>
> >> I'm hesitant to use the relation street and shift the name  to the
> relation
> >> as the wiki says this relation is not supported and I'm also not sure
> how it
> >> will render, but it does seem as it would cure the problem. (Does anyone
> >> else actually see it as a problem?)
> >>
> >> Has anyone used this relation successfully?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Brian
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Re: [Talk-GB] Relation: Street

[Marc Gemis]

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:
> Brian was referring to "street" relations, not "associatedStreet" which
> is something very different.

So I failed to make my point. I was hoping to explain that while there
is some support for associatedStreets and there is no support for
street-relations.

I disagree somewhat that they are *very* different, as I have seen
several people trying to express "everything belonging/associated to a
street" with both relations.
I see them more as 2 implementations of the same concept.

regards
m

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Re: [Talk-GB] Relation: Street

[Simon Poole]

Brian was referring to "street" relations, not "associatedStreet" which
is something very different.

In any case, I believe the support for street relations approaches
roughly zero, and that really the repeated street names is something the
renderer needs to fix (and it can be done).

Simon


Am 21.11.2016 um 21:02 schrieb Marc Gemis:
> An associatedStreet has no impact at all on the renderer.
> Nominated uses it to a certain degree to match houses with streets (in
> case the addr:street does not match the name of a street in the
> proximity).
> There are some tools from the French community that uses this relation
> as well. The French typically place some reference information into
> the relation.
>
> I think the street relation is used / supported even less.
>
> regards
>
> m
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 8:53 PM, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> Road ways are becoming increasingly chopped up into smaller pieces as more
>> data is added ( speedlimits, bus routes, cycle routes, lane counts,  lane
>> types and  lane turns; restrictions etc.) and the name becomes similarly
>> repeated.
>>
>> I'm hesitant to use the relation street and shift the name  to the relation
>> as the wiki says this relation is not supported and I'm also not sure how it
>> will render, but it does seem as it would cure the problem. (Does anyone
>> else actually see it as a problem?)
>>
>> Has anyone used this relation successfully?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Brian
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Relation: Street

[Marc Gemis]

An associatedStreet has no impact at all on the renderer.
Nominated uses it to a certain degree to match houses with streets (in
case the addr:street does not match the name of a street in the
proximity).
There are some tools from the French community that uses this relation
as well. The French typically place some reference information into
the relation.

I think the street relation is used / supported even less.

regards

m

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 8:53 PM, Brian Prangle  wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> Road ways are becoming increasingly chopped up into smaller pieces as more
> data is added ( speedlimits, bus routes, cycle routes, lane counts,  lane
> types and  lane turns; restrictions etc.) and the name becomes similarly
> repeated.
>
> I'm hesitant to use the relation street and shift the name  to the relation
> as the wiki says this relation is not supported and I'm also not sure how it
> will render, but it does seem as it would cure the problem. (Does anyone
> else actually see it as a problem?)
>
> Has anyone used this relation successfully?
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
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[Talk-GB] Relation: Street

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

Road ways are becoming increasingly chopped up into smaller pieces as more
data is added ( speedlimits, bus routes, cycle routes, lane counts,  lane
types and  lane turns; restrictions etc.) and the name becomes similarly
repeated.

I'm hesitant to use the relation street and shift the name  to the relation
as the wiki says this relation is not supported and I'm also not sure how
it will render, but it does seem as it would cure the problem. (Does anyone
else actually see it as a problem?)

Has anyone used this relation successfully?

Regards

Brian
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