Re[3]: View mode, sorted by and sub sorted
Thursday, June 10, 2004, 5:08:07 PM, Ben wrote: >>> There is a way. If you sort by subject then hold ctrl and click on >>> received it sorts the list by subject and received date. Robin>> I didn't realise that! How did you find out? Trial and error, or is it Robin>> actually in the help file somewhere? > No, i think i learnt it from Databases... Some allow you to do that > exact thing if you hold down ctrl and click... so as a mailbase is > just a database i guess i thought i would try and i did like the > result.. hence this thread. I wonder how many other gems there are to be discovered in this excellent but undocumented program. I really wish Ritlabs would put some time into creating a manual that we could download. Even where something is in the help file, finding things in a Windows help file can be a really tedious and hit or miss task. If they provided a manual, they'd likely sell a lot more copies -- and get fewer requests for support. Most people won't be willing or have the time to follow a discussion list like this just to be able to use the program. \/\/ayne Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: What's the use of an Anti virus plug-in?
Monday, June 21, 2004, 11:26:39 AM, Andre wrote: > On 21 Jun 2004 at 21:03:10 -0600 GMT [05:03 CEST] you wrote: WK>> Will AVG work without the plugin? I only use pop3 and am happy WK>> to have infected messages/attachments just deleted. > What's so terrible wrong with doing exactly that with a plugin? I didn't say there was anything terribly wrong with it, I just asked whether the plugin was necessary. -- \/\/ayne Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: What's the use of an Anti virus plug-in?
T>> What use is an Anti Virus (AV) plug-in? T>> I think all decent AV tools sniff incoming/outgoing e-mail traffic T>> automatically. T>> So what benefit does a plug-in add? > It quarantines bad mails into a quarantine folder within TB, while a > AV program without plugin will quarantine it ot a file outside of TB. > If you want to deal with infected mails in any way, you want to use > the plugin. I don't because I just want them deleted. Will AVG work without the plugin? I only use pop3 and am happy to have infected messages/attachments just deleted. -- \/\/ayne Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v2.11.02 - Congrats to Ritlabs
Friday, June 4, 2004, 11:09:13 PM, mm wrote: > As with all new additions, there might be a couple of small dings > (for instance in the way the tab does not indent the paragraph but > jumps out to the attachment). I too like to indent paragraphs. I discovered that ctrl-I works to create a tab character for indents. Not exactly a TB feature, it just inserts an ASCII 9 which is the tab character. \/\/ayne Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Support from RitLabs
J> Does anyone know of a valid email address for RitLabs that I can use J> to get a question answered? Their web site says to use J> [EMAIL PROTECTED] or the Help->Feedback->Information Request option J> in the menu. I've tried them both but the messages come back as J> non-deliverable. I got a response by choosing "feedback" from the help menu and then information request fairly recently. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)
A> Nothing like 3 pages of A> quotes followed by a reply that reads something like A> "Right :-)" You got that right! Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)
Hi Allen, Tuesday, June 1, 2004, 7:37:29 AM, you wrote: A> Even if all that is irrelevant, there is some value in a strictly inforced A> 'my way or the highway' approach--if there were conditions on when top A> posting was and was not accepted, it would be near impossible to enforce A> any sort of quoting policy--since it would all, inherently, be judgement A> calls. There would be arguments, confusion, and a lot more inconvenience A> than the current system. There is certainly validity in what you are saying about the difficulty of enforcement. Personally, I'd primarily enforce trimming the quotes and not worry so much about top or bottom quoting. On the other hand, I have no problem following the existing rules, I was just stating my view. -- Wayne King Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)
>> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? kg> I'm curious about the logic of the above point from Peter's tag line kg> (which I agree with) and applying the same logic to message list view. kg> Do the anti-top-posting crusaders (or even those that strongly believe kg> against top-posting) also view their message list with new messages at kg> the bottom? kg> This is the first list I've been on that had such a rigid rule against top posting -- and I go back to pre-internet tech forums on Compuserve. It's not a big deal to me and I certainly don't want to fight about it. I just want to comment. I think it depends on what you're doing. If I'm responding to several specific points in a message I'd want to do as this list requires -- quote each point and respond underneath. On the other hand, if I'm responding to the general idea in a message, I'd normally top post. In this case I view the quoted text as there for reference in case the recipient has forgotten the flow of the discussion. If it weren't for the rules here, I would have top quoted this message. In the latter case, it very much annoys me to have to scroll down past the quoted text to read the response. One especially annoying example was a message in this list that I just read. I had to scroll down below quoted text only to find a "thank you for your help". I think something like this should always be top quoted. As for flow of the conversation, you get that by following the thread. I don't see the need to repeat that flow at the top of each reply -- unless you're responding to very specific points. That's my 2 cents worth. (I also like new messages at the top of my mailboxes -- so I don't have to scroll to the bottom to find them.) -- Wayne King Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: AV
Monday, May 31, 2004, 4:08:05 PM, you wrote: m> So,no more Norton. I have two candidates to decide from: m> AVG or Kaspersky. I have an onsite computer help business and I'm finding each new version of both Norton & McAfee more bloated and trouble-prone that the previous. I haven't tried Kasperksy so I can't give a comparison. I've been using AVG for some time and am quite happy with it -- and happy with the AVG plugin for The Bat. I'm using the free version. Actually, I'd be happy to use the pay version and give the authors something for their efforts but I dislike the interface of the pay version. -- Wayne King Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mail download problem
Hi Britt, Friday, May 21, 2004, 2:37:25 AM, you wrote: >> That reminds of a similar problem I had when I first started using >> The Bat. I ran across a suggestion to delete the bat*.tmp files from >> my temp directory. There turned out to be thousands of them. As soon >> as I did this all was well. You might try this. In my case I later >> discovered that the import from Pegasus had created those thousands >> of .tmp files and not cleaned them up. BH> Dear, wonderful Wayne, BH> your trick worked! I too had imported my mails into The Bat, and I BH> found 36 425 (!) bat*.tmp-files, of which I of course had no idea, BH> altogether 84 MB. I deleted them yesterday, and this morning the mail BH> download worked without any problems. I'm so happy - a thousand thanks BH> to you! Glad I could help. I went through the same experience you did and almost gave up until I came across a message in the old forums suggesting deleting those .tmp files. In my case the message I found was only obliquely related to my problem. I tried it any way and, like you, was thrilled that it worked. BH> List owners, please write this into you FAQ or make a note of it until BH> the next beginner asks the same thing on this list! I was on the verge BH> of giving up on the Bat because of this, since it was driving me mad, BH> and I found it really strange that nobody could solve the problem at BH> first. There must be loads of beginners who have their mails in BH> another e-mail client and import them into the Bat. I suspect that many potential The Bat users have been lost due to this. Most people would likely just assume it's a bug in The Bat and move on to something out. Only a few would take the time and effort to search through forum/list archives trying to find a solution. -- Wayne Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Documentation?
Does any documentation for The Bat exist anywhere? I can't find any on Ritlabs website. There are a great many features in The Bat and not much in the way of directions on how to use them. Tracking down how to do something from a Windows help file is tedious and often useless. The only alternative seems to be following the discussion lists and/or posting questions. It's hard to find time for this. I'm still better pleased with The Bat than I was Pegasus but wish Ritlabs would provide some documentation -- a pdf or even a text file documenting the many features would be really helpful. -- Wayne Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mail download + new line problems
Hi Britt, Monday, May 17, 2004, 3:01:02 PM, you wrote: BH> Unfortunately, nobody seems to have any solution to my major BH> problem: that The Bat is busy working with something for ca 15 BH> minutes every morning before it downloads my mails. As I said, That reminds of a similar problem I had when I first started using The Bat. I ran across a suggestion to delete the bat*.tmp files from my temp directory. There turned out to be thousands of them. As soon as I did this all was well. You might try this. In my case I later discovered that the import from Pegasus had created those thousands of .tmp files and not cleaned them up. -- Wayne Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Opening url with non-default browser
Hi Martin, Tuesday, May 18, 2004, 12:48:36 PM, you wrote: C>> It would be nice if The Bat let you select a browser. MW> Please no, that's an OS feature... I don't know of any OS that allows you to select a different browser for url links depending on the email client that's running. Certainly not Windows -- of course Windows is happy for you to select Internet Explorer for everything :-) -- Wayne Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
