Re[2]: Someone spamming us
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck D. Pearlstone ! On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:28:17 +0100 GMT your local time, which was 31.08.2000, 20:28 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote: MDP Strike that theory then. We're back to someone joining the list MDP long-hand just to harvest. There's nothing we can do to prevent that. Was just an idea. :-( We now know that this could be done. Shouldn't our signatures be stripped off when msg is transferred to the archive ? - -- Best regards, Gerd == 01.09.2000 at 15:09 Using The Bat! Version 1.46 Beta/3 - On Tesco's Tiramisu dessert (printed on bottom of box): 'Do not turn upside down'. (Oops, too late!) - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i Comment: Digitally signed for authentication purposes ! Gerd Ewald iQA/AwUBOa+dhky/sHrVbGGHEQImDQCfaJZIZcqzU2ne/gmr8LyJiy96KWgAoIQW 74LoLgXXHoXMcYqbZhdjIU1X =/y2d -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Someone spamming us
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Gerd, On 01 September 2000 at 15:13:44 GMT +0200 (which was 14:13 where I live) Gerd Ewald wrote and made these points on the subject of "Someone spamming us": MDP Strike that theory then. We're back to someone joining the list MDP long-hand just to harvest. There's nothing we can do to prevent MDP that. GE Was just an idea. :-( GE We now know that this could be done. Shouldn't our signatures be GE stripped off when msg is transferred to the archive ? Can't be done. The archive is just another member of the list which receives traffic like any other member of the list. If you don't want your signature going to the archive the only way is to not sign your messages. While harvesting from PGP signatures is possible, I don't think it's being done - probably too complicated. - -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and apes? TB! v1.46 Beta/3 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness! iQA/AwUBOa/VNjnkJKuSnc2gEQJIkQCgmVUnFlgClPVvQoXeTUEGwkufPyEAnREh 2Irk2kw+YjP7oyPgv/OclTJ0 =/lTr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Someone spamming us
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck D. Pearlstone ! On Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:11:23 +0100 GMT your local time, which was 01.09.2000, 18:11 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote: GE We now know that this could be done. Shouldn't our signatures be GE stripped off when msg is transferred to the archive ? MDP Can't be done. The archive is just another member of the list which MDP receives traffic like any other member of the list. I see :-( MDP If you don't want MDP your signature going to the archive the only way is to not sign your MDP messages. No, I think I won't stop signing my msgs for the same reason I use the "TheBat"-info at the end of my mails: to tell people about the existence and to encourage them to use these pgms. MDP While harvesting from PGP signatures is possible, I don't think it's MDP being done - probably too complicated. Yep, you may be right and it would be too late anyway: our msgs are already in the archive. Anyone harvesting the adress could have done this already or will subscribe to the list where it is easier to harvest the adresses from the PGP- or S/MIME-sigs. - -- Best regards, Gerd == 02.09.2000 at 00:41 Using The Bat! Version 1.46 Beta/3 - IBM: Its Better Manually - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i Comment: Digitally signed for authentication purposes ! Gerd Ewald iQA/AwUBObAj4ky/sHrVbGGHEQLiUwCeO3CXWf+RiF4NkfS8NU2gn+mAm7QAniq3 D0uir/z357qZ063ko7kf7qwg =2fuj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Re[2]: Someone spamming us
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 31.08.00: snip MDP I *have* received this spam. Only one copy, and I am active on both MDP lists. Hmmm... another beta lister that got the spam. The plot thickens. Did anyone NOT on the beta list get it? Yep ! I'm only in TBUDL ! The mail adress I use for TBUDL is /only/ used for TB-discussion. I usually publish my first account which is not located at web.de. BUT the web.de adress is an additional adress to my PGP-key which is published on several key-servers. Did anyone get the spam who has no PGP-key or whose adress is not linked to a PGP-key ? snip Cheers Gerd ___ 1.000.000 DM gewinnen - kostenlos tippen - http://millionenklick.web.de [EMAIL PROTECTED], 8MB Speicher, Verschluesselung - http://freemail.web.de -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Someone spamming us
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:00:01 +0200, Gerd Ewald wrote: MDP I *have* received this spam. Only one copy, and I am active on both MDP lists. Hmmm... another beta lister that got the spam. The plot thickens. Did anyone NOT on the beta list get it? GE Yep ! I'm only in TBUDL ! The mail adress I use for TBUDL is GE /only/ used for TB-discussion. I usually publish my first account GE which is not located at web.de. BUT the web.de adress is an GE additional adress to my PGP-key which is published on several GE key-servers. Did anyone get the spam who has no PGP-key or whose GE adress is not linked to a PGP-key ? I did not get the spam and am subscribed to all three lists (including tbot). And yes, my address for these three lists is not (yet?) linked to my PGP key. I don't remember though having seen this spam message on any other address, but then I don't even look at spam messages there... Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Someone spamming us
Hello Marck D. Pearlstone !
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:27:51 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was 31.08.2000, 02:27 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:
snip
MDP Messages in the archive show the address of the archive itself - that
MDP to which the archive (which is actually a normal list member) messages
MDP are sent.
This means: someone who is not member of the list can't harvest the e-mail
adresses by just looking into the archive because the "you are subscribed as..."
is changed !?
But what, if that person just harvests our adress out of our PGP-sigantures ?
This would explain why some received this message twice (both lists, signed
msgs), some only once (only one list, signed msgs) and some didn't get any
spam-message at all although member in both lists (no sigs or no key on server).
I don't know whether this is possible. I couldn't manage to verify a message in
the archive ("Found no PGP information in the clipboard") in the browsers
window. I switched to the source code view, highlighted the PGP-signed area and
tried it again: et voilá !
*** PGP Signature Status: bad
*** Signer: Marck D. Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Disabled)
*** Signed: 30.08.00 16:37:33
*** Verified: 31.08.00 18:36:53
*** BEGIN PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE ***
Hi ztrader,
On 30 August 2000 at 06:21:47 GMT -0700 (which was 14:21 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "RE checkbox in 'options'?":
JAgt;gt; One has to check Regular Expressions when one is using regular
JAgt;gt; expressions. Check out the help file, it does deal with regular
JAgt;gt; expressions fairly well.
zgt; It has a nice summary of RE's, I agree. The confusion, for me, comes
zgt; from mixing RE chrs with other concepts. For example, the [ ] and |
I admit, this is not very convenient to harvest e-mail adresses, but I'm
no computer specialist ;-). Maybe someone with more experience than me could
check that ??
--
Best regards,
Gerd
==
31.08.2000 at 18:22
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Re: Someone spamming us
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Gerd, On 31 August 2000 at 18:39:01 GMT +0200 (which was 17:39 where I live) Gerd Ewald wrote and made these points on the subject of "Someone spamming us": MDP Messages in the archive show the address of the archive itself - MDP that to which the archive (which is actually a normal list MDP member) messages are sent. GE This means: someone who is not member of the list can't harvest GE the e-mail adresses by just looking into the archive because the GE "you are subscribed as..." is changed !? Correct - it is unique for each message sent to each subscriber. It is appended to the message at point of dispatch by the list server. GE But what, if that person just harvests our adress out of our GE PGP-sigantures ? snip *** Signer: Marck D. Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Disabled) snip GE I admit, this is not very convenient to harvest e-mail adresses, GE but I'm no computer specialist ;-). Maybe someone with more GE experience than me could check that ?? I'm not going to do the research myself but I must say that this seems to be the most likely source for the harvest that was done. With a PGP SDK a harvester can easily adapt a spider-bot to to a PGP-sig trawl IMHO. - -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY Scientists Door: Gone Fission TB! v1.46 Beta/3 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness! iQA/AwUBOa6UXTnkJKuSnc2gEQIGaACePGJrRWAC8x32AYIdRiQu+w7l96kAoOXi 2gSKIgTZTk2Zox0VAZo9EivU =zuAV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Someone spamming us
GE But what, if that person just harvests our adress out of our PGP-sigantures ? I got one copy of the message, no PGP here. Only on TBUDL. -tom! -- Bah, ridiculous thing. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Someone spamming us
Hello ztrader, On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:50:18 -0700 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, August 31, 2000, 7:50:18 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, ztrader wrote: (snip) MDP I *have* received this spam. Only one copy, and I am active on both MDP lists. Hmmm... another beta lister that got the spam. The plot thickens. Did anyone NOT on the beta list get it? I donot think I did but I could check if I know what the subject was of the email... I saw one spam but I thought it was another subscriber sending to the mail list. MDP Any other ideas? If I was a truly dedicated spammerg,I'd subscribe to lots of lists, collect all the replies, and harvest them. Not much one can do about that, though :-(((. ztrader Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.46 Beta/3 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Someone spamming us
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Tom, On 31 August 2000 at 10:48:51 GMT -0700 (which was 18:48 where I live) Tom Plunket wrote and made these points on the subject of "Someone spamming us": GE But what, if that person just harvests our adress out of our GE PGP-sigantures ? TP I got one copy of the message, no PGP here. Only on TBUDL. Strike that theory then. We're back to someone joining the list long-hand just to harvest. There's nothing we can do to prevent that. - -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. TB! v1.46 Beta/3 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness! iQA/AwUBOa6jwTnkJKuSnc2gEQId/wCeLKrv4f4v60cNF9pIzvbJfnwCuxwAoMzo dfj7HzaxNlDUQCe6RG02gau0 =qBPt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Someone spamming us
On Thursday 31 August 2000 Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: GE But what, if that person just harvests our adress out of our GE PGP-sigantures ? I'm not going to do the research myself but I must say that this seems to be the most likely source for the harvest that was done. With a PGP SDK a harvester can easily adapt a spider-bot to to a PGP-sig trawl IMHO. Possibly, except that i) I don't remember ever sending my PGP key, or PGP signed messages to any TB list, ii) none of my PGP keys have ever been associated with anything other than my primary (non-list) email address, and those spams were sent directly to the addresses with which I subscibe to TBUDL/TBBETA. John -- you gave me something that i could touch in a world where i'd had too much something i could feel with my broken hands full of lost ideals but soon i'm returning to you my friend and we'll go where the rivers end in the silver sea and i'll carry you if you carry me -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Someone spamming us
Someone with access to the TBUDL and TBBETA membership lists (using the From: address [EMAIL PROTECTED], passing through a relay which claims to be cyberpass.net) seems to believe I might be interested in buying a CD packed full of what is clearly pirated commercial software, for $15. Ho hum. (Because I use separate email addresses for list subscriptions, I know this came from trawling the TB list membership. It got sent to both my TBUDL and TBBETA addresses.) John -- you gave me something that i could touch in a world where i'd had too much something i could feel with my broken hands full of lost ideals but soon i'm returning to you my friend and we'll go where the rivers end in the silver sea and i'll carry you if you carry me -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Someone spamming us
Hello John, On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 at 13:34:18 [GMT +0100], you wrote: JS Someone with access to the TBUDL and TBBETA membership lists JS (using the From: address [EMAIL PROTECTED], passing JS through a relay which claims to be cyberpass.net) seems to believe JS I might be interested in buying a CD packed full of what is JS clearly pirated commercial software, for $15. Ho hum. JS (Because I use separate email addresses for list subscriptions, I JS know this came from trawling the TB list membership. It got sent JS to both my TBUDL and TBBETA addresses.) We'll check the subscribers list, but chances are that they are spider botting the list archives. If this is the case, then there isn't much that can be done unfortunately. Other than killing off the list archives, which we wouldn't want to do, because list archives are *very* useful. Another possibility is that the person spamming you is indeed a list member, but they'd have to be morons to be subscribed to the lists using the same e-mail address they use in the SPAM. We'll let you all know though. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID 0x8604279A Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket? -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Someone spamming us
On Wednesday, August 30, 2000 at 4:25 PM or thereabouts, Leif Gregory wrote the following about Someone spamming us: JS Someone with access to the TBUDL and TBBETA membership lists JS (using the From: address [EMAIL PROTECTED], passing JS through a relay which claims to be cyberpass.net) seems to JS believe I might be interested in buying a CD packed full of JS what is clearly pirated commercial software, for $15. Ho hum. FWIW, I received two copies of this spam, as well ... presumably one for each of my subscriptions (TBBETA and TBUDL). LG We'll check the subscribers list, but chances are that they are LG spider botting the list archives. If this is the case, then LG there isn't much that can be done unfortunately. Other than LG killing off the list archives, which we wouldn't want to do, LG because list archives are *very* useful. Just think of the potential spamming that would occur if we were gated to Usenet, or solely there, as has been suggested. (Not that I want to open up *that* discussion again! :-) ... just wanted to confirm that others on both lists have received the same mailings.) Chuck -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Chuck Mattsen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mindspring.com/~mattsen =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Random Thought/Quote for this Message: Humanity prefers comfort over truth. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Someone spamming us
On Wednesday, August 30, 2000, 2:48:03 PM, you wrote: CM FWIW, I received two copies of this spam, as well ... presumably one CM for each of my subscriptions (TBBETA and TBUDL). I have not received this spam (yet :-). Perhaps it is from the beta list? LG We'll check the subscribers list, but chances are that they are LG spider botting the list archives. If this is the case, then LG there isn't much that can be done unfortunately. One suggestion is to remove personal email addresses from the archives. The *content* is still there, but the spammers would be foiled. On another list, this was thought to be not too difficult with a perl script, but I don't use perl, so could not comment on that. Just a thought... ztradermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Someone spamming us
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi ztrader, On 31 August 2000 at 16:09:12 GMT -0700 (which was 00:09 where I live) ztrader wrote and made these points on the subject of "Someone spamming us": CM FWIW, I received two copies of this spam, as well ... presumably CM one for each of my subscriptions (TBBETA and TBUDL). z I have not received this spam (yet :-). Perhaps it is from the beta z list? LG We'll check the subscribers list, but chances are that they are LG spider botting the list archives. If this is the case, ... and I don't think it is (see below). LG then there isn't much that can be done unfortunately. z One suggestion is to remove personal email addresses from the z archives. They are already being removed by the archive except where they appear in the body of the message - as yours does. It would be advisable for all subscribers to modify your default template to exclude that "mailto:xxx" at the end for list posting for that very reason. The archive shows no headers and only the Real Name field of the "From" header. Actually, I have just changed my "reference attribution" line that goes at the top of my replies .. that was including the sender's address :-(. I think, in this case, that's a red herring anyway. z The *content* is still there, but the spammers would be foiled. On z another list, this was thought to be not too difficult with a perl z script, but I don't use perl, so could not comment on that. Although the address of the archive appears to be under our control, it is just a forwarding address to a free, public access archive resource "out there" - www.mail-archive.com - and we don't have access to the server software on that. z Just a thought... z ztradermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] See what I mean? Now - see this posting from me? My address does *not* appear on this message other than in the headers and in the mailto: link for my PGP key ... and that's not my address, it is the address of my server itself and will ignore any spam sent to it directly. I *have* received this spam. Only one copy, and I am active on both lists. I have not received any messages from my server complaining of mail containing "Invalid Commands" - which is what would happen if a spider-bot sucked addresses from the archive and found that of my server from my sig line. The server is capable of divulging a list of members but only to someone armed with the list password - not a possibility. This suggests that the list is being spammed in some other way than those suggested so far... and I can only think that a spammer has infiltrated the system to harvest names. Any other ideas? - -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY Baby's bib: "Spit happens" TB! v1.46 Beta/3 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness! iQA/AwUBOa2eCTnkJKuSnc2gEQKvYwCdFrFCFcNb8UMiDZQARrwGKkNjw9sAnjJE cRVigUiNX0AsLOS+u7PnzHq7 =nAgl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Someone spamming us
On August 30, 2000, at 4:51:32 PM, Marck D. Pearlstone Wrote: It would be advisable for all subscribers to modify your default template to exclude that "mailto:xxx" at the end for list posting for that very reason. Marck, are you referring to a "MailTo:" that some people include in their signatures, or are you referring to this trailer that the Server includes: You are subscribed as : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I never did understand why that is included in all received messages. Are they making sure I know who I am? ;o) Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.46 Beta 3 | PGP 6.5.8 | Win 98 v4.10 ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE _ "Daddy, what does FORMATTING DRIVE C mean?" -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Someone spamming us
Hello ztrader, On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:09:12 -0700 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, August 31, 2000, 6:09:12 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, ztrader wrote: On Wednesday, August 30, 2000, 2:48:03 PM, you wrote: CM FWIW, I received two copies of this spam, as well ... presumably one CM for each of my subscriptions (TBBETA and TBUDL). I have not received this spam (yet :-). Perhaps it is from the beta list? LG We'll check the subscribers list, but chances are that they are LG spider botting the list archives. If this is the case, then LG there isn't much that can be done unfortunately. One suggestion is to remove personal email addresses from the archives. The *content* is still there, but the spammers would be foiled. On another list, this was thought to be not too difficult with a perl script, but I don't use perl, so could not comment on that. Just a thought... If a commercial email extractor did it, no use, you are already in the lists.. I didnt get any copies but then maybe there was something in the messages causing it to end up being tagged as spam. ztradermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.46 Beta/3 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Someone spamming us
On Wednesday, August 30, 2000, 5:27:51 PM, you wrote: MDP Strange as that may seem, yes. It's supposed to make it clear to the MDP recipient which address they have used to subscribe to the list so MDP that when they want to leave they know which address to send the MDP .UNSUB command from. Any way to get rid of this? I just removed my mailto, but forgot to look at the end :-). A nice idea, but does spread the address. Idea - include a header line: X-subscribed-as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This would be removed in the archive, and one could look at the headers to see how one is subscribed. Under 'unsubscribing' on the web page, it could say to check the header, or replace the footer with 'check the header' :-). ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Someone spamming us
On Wednesday, August 30, 2000, 4:51:32 PM, you wrote: MDP They are already being removed by the archive except where they appear MDP in the body of the message - as yours does. It would be advisable for MDP all subscribers to modify your default template to exclude that MDP "mailto:xxx" at the end for list posting for that very reason. Done! Good idea. MDP Although the address of the archive appears to be under our control, MDP it is just a forwarding address to a free, public access archive MDP resource "out there" - www.mail-archive.com - and we don't have access MDP to the server software on that. Would it be possible to save all the list mail to a file, before forwarding, run a pgm on it to remove names, and then forward that file to the archive? A bit of trouble, I know, and maybe not necessary if everyone gets rid of the body reference. MDP I *have* received this spam. Only one copy, and I am active on both MDP lists. Hmmm... another beta lister that got the spam. The plot thickens. Did anyone NOT on the beta list get it? MDP Any other ideas? If I was a truly dedicated spammerg,I'd subscribe to lots of lists, collect all the replies, and harvest them. Not much one can do about that, though :-(((. ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Someone spamming us
On Wednesday, August 30, 2000, 6:31:06 PM, ztrader wrote: Any way to get rid of this? I just removed my mailto, but forgot to look at the end :-). A nice idea, but does spread the address. It's not necessary to get rid of it. If you look at messages in the archive, the line at the bottom is: You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org as the archive is a subscriber of both lists. The line showing your email address is only for messages (sent by anyone) delivered to you. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
