Re: [ot_caving] computer news - Intel

[Don Cooper]

Try 'Naked DSL' from AT&T.  I'm paying only $34 a month for access that
usually tests downloading at about 2.5Mb/sec and uploads at 410 Kb/sec (
http://www.speedtest.net).
I think Naked DSL is also available at about 800 Kb/sec for $18/ month (But
then you'd probably not *even* be able to watch full screen HD streaming
video).

Oh yeah - using a quantum pre-fetch add-on appliance on the backplane of the
golden idol power matrix, your applications can load before you even start
the computer.  Access is instantaneous, but due to temporal distortions,
users of this device have complained of being revisited by puberty and dead
relatives.  It only costs 35 billion dollars, but since money doesnt
actually exist beyond the quantum continuum - you can easily afford it, (but
only if you don't wish for it or go on and on trying to gauge opinions of it
by bystanders who couldn't possibly care less).
Cheers!
-WaV

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:56 PM, David  wrote:

> According to this story today, computer geeks have broken a record
> for desktop computer speed at 5 1/2 gigahertz:
>
> http://usa.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=13624
>
> They used the new Intel motherboard ( X58 ) and the new Intel
> chip - the i7.
>
> The base model of the X58 with the i7 is currently available at Fry's
> for $ 600, so you too could start building a computer with
> the potential for having the fastest processing speed you have
> ever imagined.
>
> But why?
>
>
> What I need my computer to do is to make my life simpler.I need
> it to boot quicker, to never crash or lock up, to easily connect to
> any gadgets that I have, especially the printer and the scanner.
>
> I am not yet familiar with accessing the Internet before the computer
> boots. Anybody out there using this new feature?
>
> I want to be able to sit down at the computer and immediately start
> working on something without having to worry if I have the program
> for that task.  Meaning it would be nice if things like AutoCAD and
> Photoshop, Games and Music were somehow already on my computer.
> I think that is where the Internet is going to fill a gap, but I haven't
> tried using on-line programs yet.
>
> I wish broadband access were not so expensive.
>
> It appears someone could inexpensively build a quad-core computer
> using AMD stuff, especially if you go with Linux. It may not have all
> the bells and whistles, but it would still be faster than what most
> people had 2 or 3 years ago.
>
> David Locklear
>
> Ref:
>
>
> http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/Review/127372,nehalem-intel-core-i7-extreme.aspx
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[ot_caving] computer news - Intel

[David]

According to this story today, computer geeks have broken a record
for desktop computer speed at 5 1/2 gigahertz:

http://usa.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=13624

They used the new Intel motherboard ( X58 ) and the new Intel
chip - the i7.

The base model of the X58 with the i7 is currently available at Fry's
for $ 600, so you too could start building a computer with
the potential for having the fastest processing speed you have
ever imagined.

But why?


What I need my computer to do is to make my life simpler.I need
it to boot quicker, to never crash or lock up, to easily connect to
any gadgets that I have, especially the printer and the scanner.

I am not yet familiar with accessing the Internet before the computer
boots. Anybody out there using this new feature?

I want to be able to sit down at the computer and immediately start
working on something without having to worry if I have the program
for that task.  Meaning it would be nice if things like AutoCAD and
Photoshop, Games and Music were somehow already on my computer.
I think that is where the Internet is going to fill a gap, but I haven't
tried using on-line programs yet.

I wish broadband access were not so expensive.

It appears someone could inexpensively build a quad-core computer
using AMD stuff, especially if you go with Linux. It may not have all
the bells and whistles, but it would still be faster than what most
people had 2 or 3 years ago.

David Locklear

Ref:

http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/Review/127372,nehalem-intel-core-i7-extreme.aspx

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texascavers Digest 2 Dec 2008 22:51:49 -0000 Issue 656

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texascavers Digest 2 Dec 2008 22:51:49 - Issue 656

Topics (messages 9536 through 9546):

Re: Tennessee cave fatality
9536 by: Don Cooper
9539 by: Bill Walden
9541 by: Louise Power
9544 by: Preston Forsythe

book idea
9537 by: David
9543 by: Philip L Moss

Longhorn Cavern Project, Saturday, December 6th - Interested?
9538 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
9540 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com

Upcoming Laguna de Sanchez trip
9542 by: Jim Kennedy

Geocorps Positions on the Tongass
9545 by: vivbone.att.net

Re: KY Cave Fatality
9546 by: Preston Forsythe

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What a grim exit strategy!
-WaV

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> Were these 2 guys cavers?
>
> http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/612969.html
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[Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatalityHate to sound callous but pot holing 
(digging for native American artifacts) is popular in Kentucky and Tennessee. 
Those people really tear things up and leave their trash - lots. Lesson learned 
to late!

Best to all,
Bill Walden
  - Original Message - 
  From: mark.al...@l-3com.com 
  To: David ; Texascavers Mailing List 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:00 PM
  Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality


  Sounds more like a trench collapse than a cave collapse, David.



  Thanks,

  Mark



  From Foxnews.com:

  HOPKINSVILLE, Ky. -  A Tennessee man has died after a cave collapsed in 
western Kentucky while he was digging for Native American artifacts.

  Christian County Coroner Dorris Lamb says 42-year-old Devin William Peters, 
of Clarksville, Tenn., was killed in the accident.

  Christian County Rescue Team director Randy Graham told the Kentucky New Era 
that Peters and another man were at the cave, located between Pembroke and Oak 
Grove, when the walls of an excavation trench collapsed.

  The second man was above ground and telephoned for help at 4 p.m. CST Monday.

  Graham said Peters' remains were found eight feet below the floor of the 
cave, buried under about four feet of dirt. Graham said the remains were 
removed about four hours after the collapse.



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  To: Texascavers Mailing List
  Subject: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality


  Were these 2 guys cavers?

  http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/612969.html

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To say nothing of illegal on public lands and, in many states, on private 
lands. And immoral in general. They are stealing the heritage of first 
Americans for their own profits.

From: wdwalden@windstream.netTo: mark.al...@l-3com.com; dlocklea...@gmail.com; 
texascavers@texascavers.comDate: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:30:43 -0500Subject: Re: 
[Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality


Hate to sound callous but pot holing (digging for native American artifacts) is 
popular in Kentucky and Tennessee. Those people really tear things up and leave 
their trash - lots. Lesson learned to late!
 
Best to all,
Bill Walden

- Original Message - 
From: mark.al...@l-3com.com 
To: David ; Texascavers Mailing List 
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality



Sounds more like a trench collapse than a cave collapse, David.
 
Thanks,
Mark
 
>From Foxnews.com:
HOPKINSVILLE, Ky. —  A Tennessee man has died after a cave collapsed in western 
Kentucky while he was digging for Native American artifacts.
Christian County Coroner Dorris Lamb says 42-year-old Devin William Peters, of 
Clarksville, Tenn., was killed in the accident.
Christian County Rescue Team director Randy Graham told the Kentucky New Era 
that Peters and another man were at the cave, located between Pembroke and Oak 
Grove, when the walls of an excavation trench collapsed.
The second man was above ground and telephoned for help at 4 p.m. CST Monday.
Graham said Peters' remains were found eight feet below the floor of the cave, 
buried under about four feet of dirt. Graham said the remains were removed 
about four hours after the collapse.


From: David 

Re: [Texascavers] KY Cave Fatality

[Preston Forsythe]

The TN pothunter died in Buzzard Cave, on the West Fork of the Red River, in 
Christian Co., KY. This cave is north of the very famous Glover Cave. Many 
caves in this area have been pothunted severely in the past and several looters 
have actually been caught and arrested while in the illegal act of digging for 
artifacts and burials. In fact the Evansville Metropolitan Grotto did a grotto 
trip to Glover Cave last weekend. Up on a shelf inside the entrance were 
several skulls recently dug. Info from Ernie Payne.

Preston 
=
  - Original Message - 
  From: Louise Power 
  To: Bill Walden ; Mark Alman ; David Locklear ; Texas Cavers 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 2:44 PM
  Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality


  To say nothing of illegal on public lands and, in many states, on private 
lands. And immoral in general. They are stealing the heritage of first 
Americans for their own profits.


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  Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:30:43 -0500
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality


  Hate to sound callous but pot holing (digging for native American artifacts) 
is popular in Kentucky and Tennessee. Those people really tear things up and 
leave their trash - lots. Lesson learned to late!

  Best to all,
  Bill Walden
- Original Message - 
From: mark.al...@l-3com.com 
To: David ; Texascavers Mailing List 
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality


Sounds more like a trench collapse than a cave collapse, David.
 
Thanks,
Mark
 
From Foxnews.com:
HOPKINSVILLE, Ky. —  A Tennessee man has died after a cave collapsed in 
western Kentucky while he was digging for Native American artifacts.
Christian County Coroner Dorris Lamb says 42-year-old Devin William Peters, 
of Clarksville, Tenn., was killed in the accident.
Christian County Rescue Team director Randy Graham told the Kentucky New 
Era that Peters and another man were at the cave, located between Pembroke and 
Oak Grove, when the walls of an excavation trench collapsed.
The second man was above ground and telephoned for help at 4 p.m. CST 
Monday.
Graham said Peters' remains were found eight feet below the floor of the 
cave, buried under about four feet of dirt. Graham said the remains were 
removed about four hours after the collapse.




From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tue 12/2/2008 1:22 PM
To: Texascavers Mailing List
Subject: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality


Were these 2 guys cavers?

http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/612969.html

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[Texascavers] Geocorps Positions on the Tongass

[vivbone]

 forwarded from: Johanna Kovarik 

Hey Everyone;

Forwardthis to anyone you think might be interested - I'm advertising for 
2Geocorps interns to come up to the Tongass for 12 weeks during thesummer of 
2009 (May - August) and help with reorganizing our cave data- basically, we 
need two individuals to hike around in the woods andrelocate old caves and 
document them, and to locate new caves and helpmap them.  Part of that will 
involve updating our master cave inventorylayer in ArcGIS and entering cave 
survey data to help develop an"underground watershed" layer to be utilized in 
the future as we beefup our resource inventories, including hopefully a 
biological inventoryin the near future.

It would be great tohave individuals that are already cavers, and are already 
familliarwith cave mapping and inventory - but this is an internship and not 
apaid position!  The geocorps interns will each receive a $2750 stipendfor the 
summer and free housing.   While out in the field, they willreceive free food 
(and what caver can't turn down free food?).  Theymust be prepaired for hard 
core hiking through rough terrain, thickvegetation, and can't be bothered by 
rain.

If you know of any interested individuals, encourage them to apply at the GSA 
webapge: http://rock.geosociety.org/g_corps/2009/allJobDescriptions.asp  and 
feel free to send them my email if they have any questions.
There are also a few other cave and karst related positions up forgrabs, one of 
them working with Ben and Joel down at SEKI, and one atMammoth!

The positions up in Alaska are officially called "Cave Resource Technicians", 
Tongass National Forest.

Thanks!  Hope you all are doing well!

cheers,

Johanna

Re: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality

[Preston Forsythe]

No, they were not cavers, but trespassers, pothunters and looters. More later.

Preston in western KY

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Don Cooper 
  To: David 
  Cc: Texascavers Mailing List 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 2:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality


  Eternally a caver now!
  What a grim exit strategy!
  -WaV


  On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 1:22 PM, David  wrote:

Were these 2 guys cavers?

http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/612969.html

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Re: [Texascavers] book idea

[Philip L Moss]

On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:06:00 -0600 David  writes:
> Here is a book idea for a caver looking to for ideas on writing a 
> book.
> 
> snip< 
> "1000 Caves I must explore before I die"
> 
> Or how about
> 
> "1001 Cave critters I must see before I die"
> 
> I like,
> 
> "1001 Speleothems I must see before I die"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> David
> 


Perhaps these titles could be followed up by a book entitled:
1001 Caves Most Damaged by Cavers

There are already enough places that have been loved to death by cavers.

Philip L. Moss
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[Texascavers] Upcoming Laguna de Sanchez trip

[Jim Kennedy]

Greetings, cavers!

You are receiving this email because you have participated in a past expedition 
to Laguna de Sanchez, or have expressed an interest in upcoming trips.  I am 
also cc'ing this message to CaveTex in case there is anyone else out there 
interested.

The next Project trip will be 20 Dec to 5 Jan.  We plan to camp pretty much the 
whole time at La Camotera, the limestone plateau where we have found most of 
the caves so far.  As near as we can determine, there are still 12-15 caves out 
there yet to be surveyed.  Some people are talking about coming down after 
Christmas, and others are planning to leave on 1 Jan.  We're flexible, come and 
stay as long as you like.

Most of the caves out there are at least somewhat vertical, so personal 
vertical gear and knowledge of its use is important if you plan to get into any 
of the virgin caves.  I'll have plenty of ropes along with me, so we can 
multiple parties going out on any particular day.  The area where we will camp 
is level, shaded, and gorgeous.  Caves are within an easy walk.  There is no 
water there, so we have to haul in all of our own.  We will be at around 5200 
feet in elevation, in a nice oak-pine forest.

Now that I am back from the PESO project, I need to start firming up the 
coordination of this one.  Please let me know in the next week or so if you are 
at least 90% sure that you will be there, and the time frame.  Those coming in 
to Austin from out of state have a few more logistics to coordinate with me.  I 
can provide maps and directions for those driving, and we can caravan if you 
are coming and going at the same time I am.

Let's get some dialog going.  If you tell me you are out, I'll take your name 
off future emails about this particular trip.  If you know someone else 
interested, pass it along, but have that person get in touch with me.  I like 
to know who to expect.

-- Jim

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RE: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality

[Louise Power]

To say nothing of illegal on public lands and, in many states, on private 
lands. And immoral in general. They are stealing the heritage of first 
Americans for their own profits.

From: wdwalden@windstream.netTo: mark.al...@l-3com.com; dlocklea...@gmail.com; 
texascavers@texascavers.comDate: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:30:43 -0500Subject: Re: 
[Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality


Hate to sound callous but pot holing (digging for native American artifacts) is 
popular in Kentucky and Tennessee. Those people really tear things up and leave 
their trash - lots. Lesson learned to late!
 
Best to all,
Bill Walden

- Original Message - 
From: mark.al...@l-3com.com 
To: David ; Texascavers Mailing List 
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality



Sounds more like a trench collapse than a cave collapse, David.
 
Thanks,
Mark
 
>From Foxnews.com:
HOPKINSVILLE, Ky. —  A Tennessee man has died after a cave collapsed in western 
Kentucky while he was digging for Native American artifacts.
Christian County Coroner Dorris Lamb says 42-year-old Devin William Peters, of 
Clarksville, Tenn., was killed in the accident.
Christian County Rescue Team director Randy Graham told the Kentucky New Era 
that Peters and another man were at the cave, located between Pembroke and Oak 
Grove, when the walls of an excavation trench collapsed.
The second man was above ground and telephoned for help at 4 p.m. CST Monday.
Graham said Peters' remains were found eight feet below the floor of the cave, 
buried under about four feet of dirt. Graham said the remains were removed 
about four hours after the collapse.


From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]Sent: Tue 12/2/2008 1:22 PMTo: 
Texascavers Mailing ListSubject: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality

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RE: [Texascavers] Longhorn Cavern Project, Saturday, December 6th - Interested?

[Mark . Alman]

P.S. - I forgot to mention that we would be digging in the AM and do a thru 
trip in the afternoon.
 
 
Thanks,
 
Mark
 
 



From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
Sent: Tue 12/2/2008 2:20 PM
To: Cave Texas
Cc: texascav...@yahoo.com; spelun...@sbcglobal.net; Lyndon Tiu; Alan Blevins; 
Stefan Creaser; germa...@aol.com; Devra Heyer
Subject: [Texascavers] Longhorn Cavern Project, Saturday, December 6th - 
Interested?


All,
 
 
I've been mulling over the project this month and was just curious as to the 
interest level, mainly, with finals going on UT, A & M, and some of the other 
colleges.
 
If enough folks are interested, we will be digging out/down the passageway to 
allow better air flow and the more gravitationally-challenged cavers, like 
myself,
to traverse the cave easier.
 
 
 
PLEASE CONTACT ME OFFLINE, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN COMING!!!
 

 

 

 

If there is high enough level of interest, we will meet at the visitors' center 
at Longhorn Caverns State Park at 9 AM and caravan from there to the Crownover 
entrance needing to be dug out.

 

Please bring any tools and equipment that you might think is necessary, i.e., 
small shovels, trowels, as well as your own water,  food, and camping gear.

 

Naturally, I will have waivers for y'all that need to be signed, or I can email 
them to you to help expedite the necessary paperwork.

 

Camping Friday and Saturday night will be at the picnic area at Longhorn.

 

 

Directions and more info to Longhorn Caverns is below:

 

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Longhorn+Cavern+State+Park,+Burnet

 

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/spdest/findadest/parks/longhorn_cavern/

 

  

I appreciate all who have already helped out last month. We had a fun and 
enjoyable time!

 

Please let me know if you'll be coming, so I can give the park a rough head 
count. 

 

 

 

Thanks!

 

 

Thanks,

 

Mark Alman

972-329-4753 (H)

214-289-9181 (cell)

 

 

 

Re: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality

[Bill Walden]

[Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatalityHate to sound callous but pot holing 
(digging for native American artifacts) is popular in Kentucky and Tennessee. 
Those people really tear things up and leave their trash - lots. Lesson learned 
to late!

Best to all,
Bill Walden
  - Original Message - 
  From: mark.al...@l-3com.com 
  To: David ; Texascavers Mailing List 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:00 PM
  Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality


  Sounds more like a trench collapse than a cave collapse, David.



  Thanks,

  Mark



  From Foxnews.com:

  HOPKINSVILLE, Ky. -  A Tennessee man has died after a cave collapsed in 
western Kentucky while he was digging for Native American artifacts.

  Christian County Coroner Dorris Lamb says 42-year-old Devin William Peters, 
of Clarksville, Tenn., was killed in the accident.

  Christian County Rescue Team director Randy Graham told the Kentucky New Era 
that Peters and another man were at the cave, located between Pembroke and Oak 
Grove, when the walls of an excavation trench collapsed.

  The second man was above ground and telephoned for help at 4 p.m. CST Monday.

  Graham said Peters' remains were found eight feet below the floor of the 
cave, buried under about four feet of dirt. Graham said the remains were 
removed about four hours after the collapse.



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  Sent: Tue 12/2/2008 1:22 PM
  To: Texascavers Mailing List
  Subject: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality


  Were these 2 guys cavers?

  http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/612969.html

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[Texascavers] Longhorn Cavern Project, Saturday, December 6th - Interested?

[Mark . Alman]

All,
 
 
I've been mulling over the project this month and was just curious as to the 
interest level, mainly, with finals going on UT, A & M, and some of the other 
colleges.
 
If enough folks are interested, we will be digging out/down the passageway to 
allow better air flow and the more gravitationally-challenged cavers, like 
myself,
to traverse the cave easier.
 
 
 
PLEASE CONTACT ME OFFLINE, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN COMING!!!
 

 

 

 

If there is high enough level of interest, we will meet at the visitors' center 
at Longhorn Caverns State Park at 9 AM and caravan from there to the Crownover 
entrance needing to be dug out.

 

Please bring any tools and equipment that you might think is necessary, i.e., 
small shovels, trowels, as well as your own water,  food, and camping gear.

 

Naturally, I will have waivers for y'all that need to be signed, or I can email 
them to you to help expedite the necessary paperwork.

 

Camping Friday and Saturday night will be at the picnic area at Longhorn.

 

 

Directions and more info to Longhorn Caverns is below:

 

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Longhorn+Cavern+State+Park,+Burnet

 

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/spdest/findadest/parks/longhorn_cavern/

 

  

I appreciate all who have already helped out last month. We had a fun and 
enjoyable time!

 

Please let me know if you'll be coming, so I can give the park a rough head 
count. 

 

 

 

Thanks!

 

 

Thanks,

 

Mark Alman

972-329-4753 (H)

214-289-9181 (cell)

 

 

 

[Texascavers] book idea

[David]

Here is a book idea for a caver looking to for ideas on writing a book.

Rizzoli Publications out of New York thru their Universe line of books
is publishing books on a particular topic about the 1001 things you
must do at it before you die.

http://www.rizzoliusa.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780789313706

For example,

"1001 Show Caves I must visit before I die"

or maybe,

"1000 Caves I must explore before I die"

Or how about

"1001 Cave critters I must see before I die"

I like,

"1001 Speleothems I must see before I die"




David

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Re: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality

[Don Cooper]

Eternally a caver now!
What a grim exit strategy!
-WaV

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 1:22 PM, David  wrote:

> Were these 2 guys cavers?
>
> http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/612969.html
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texascavers Digest 2 Dec 2008 20:03:52 -0000 Issue 655

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texascavers Digest 2 Dec 2008 20:03:52 - Issue 655

Topics (messages 9523 through 9535):

Re: Safety in Mexico
9523 by: Louise Power
9526 by: Albach
9533 by: Louise Power

Re: new Speleo Digest series editor
9524 by: Minton, Mark
9525 by: Minton, Mark

a Speleo Digest project
9527 by: Mixon Bill
9528 by: speleosteele.tx.rr.com

UT Grotto meeting - December 3, 2008
9529 by: Gary Franklin
9530 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com

marijuana and meth labs problem reduced
9531 by: Nancy Weaver
9534 by: Geo Crosby

Tennessee cave fatality
9532 by: David
9535 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com

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Of course, my experiences occurred prior to 1976 when I went back to school and 
pretty much dropped out of caving in favor of studying. I'm sure things have 
changed a lot since then. 
 
However, I'd like to say that our problems with the Mexican Mafia and their 
marijuana grows here in Oregon are very serious. They pick up growers in small 
Mexican villages and then threaten their families if they don't grow for them 
in the National Forests and on BLM land all up and down the I-5 corridor. The 
mountains in Oregon, Washington and California are very conducive to growing 
weed and I-5 makes an excellent transportation route. Our law enforcement 
rangers give us presentations periodically on what to look for--plots, camps, 
etc. Each year during the harvest season, our rangers destroy hundreds of plots 
with millions of dollars worth of mj.
 
We had a major problem until recently with meth labs (local, not MexMaf). A 
couple of years ago, Oregon passed a law that put all the cough medicines that 
were used to make meth behind the counters in grocery stores and pharmacies. A 
lot of people complained, but I heard from a local deputy that the meth lab 
problem has been cut by more than half since they did that.
 
Louise



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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:24:13 -0600From: mamaarscott@gmail.comTo: 
caverarch@aol.comSubject: Re: [Texascavers] Safety in MexicoCC: 
power_lou...@hotmail.com; texascav...@texascavers.comi was in Monterrey, 
Montemorales, and Linares the week before last for four days on a work trip.  
We met with local growers, ranchers, and had a lecture from a political science 
professor at Monterrey Tech among many other activities.  There was a lot of 
discussion about the drug traffic from South America and the resultant crime in 
Mexico.  I think we probably even met a businessman in the Mexican mafia - - - 
something was really off about him, his employees, and his factory.  Even the 
political professor admitted that the government in Mexico is very corrupt 
which I thought was pretty interesting to tell to a group of Americans.  I 
think there is real danger in Mexico, but we were fortunate to be with 
excellent guides and had safe travels.  Just my two cents worth.Amanda
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:48 PM, CaverArch  wrote:


I enjoyed Louise's stories from Mexico, and hate strike a down note, but I just 
received the following forward from my cousin.  He was contacting an 
acquaintance about joining a tour to the Tarahumara people's Easter ceremonies 
in the Copper Canyon.  He got the following chilling response from the person 
who used to conduct these informal group visits to the Canyon.
 
I have been to this beautiful place, and heard distant Tarahumara drumming to 
greet the sunrise.  The canyon and its people will get along without the Gringo 
tourists, I hope, but this is a very sad way to get some privacy.  
 
Roger Moore
Houston

 




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Just thought I'd contribute a few details having grown up on the border 
and traveling in northern Mexico since the mid-60s. First ?I'll offer a 
belief that these things have kind of gone in waves. Our early travels 
always involved la mordida with regularity but that definitely changed 
for the better and have not been really "bit" since.


As to drug trafficking I'd hate for people to think that this is a south 
of the border activity alone. As a young man working crops I was told 
more than once that I was not to work section X or Y prior to say 9am or 
after 7pm. And btw if I managed to alert him to approaching BP it would 
be appreciated. And yes that was a landowner's son giving the directions 
circa late '70s.


I've made multiple trips to Creel and as early as '88 it was obvious 
that you did not go traipsing deep towards Batopilas without making a 
lot of n

RE: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality

[Mark . Alman]

Sounds more like a trench collapse than a cave collapse, David.

 

Thanks,

Mark

 

>From Foxnews.com:

HOPKINSVILLE, Ky. -  A Tennessee man has died after a cave collapsed in western 
Kentucky while he was digging for Native American artifacts.

Christian County Coroner Dorris Lamb says 42-year-old Devin William Peters, of 
Clarksville, Tenn., was killed in the accident.

Christian County Rescue Team director Randy Graham told the Kentucky New Era 
that Peters and another man were at the cave, located between Pembroke and Oak 
Grove, when the walls of an excavation trench collapsed.

The second man was above ground and telephoned for help at 4 p.m. CST Monday.

Graham said Peters' remains were found eight feet below the floor of the cave, 
buried under about four feet of dirt. Graham said the remains were removed 
about four hours after the collapse.




From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tue 12/2/2008 1:22 PM
To: Texascavers Mailing List
Subject: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality



Were these 2 guys cavers?

http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/612969.html

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RE: [Texascavers] marijuana and meth labs problem reduced

[Geo Crosby]

I agree. Maybe we'll see changes soon with the new admin. Want to help stop
the "war on drugs"?

 

Consider supporting:  www.mpp.org   and
http://www.drugpolicy.org/homepage.cfm  

 

 

 

 

 

> -Original Message-

> From: Nancy Weaver [mailto:nan...@io.com]

> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:01 AM

> To: Texascavers@texascavers.com

> Subject: [Texascavers] marijuana and meth labs problem reduced

> 

> and of course the illegal drug activities and the profits of the

> groups that benefit could be cut to zero by simply making marijuana

> and meth legal.  voila, just like prohibition - the same number would

> use the product, however no crimes or vast criminal organizations

> would flourish.

> 

> way too simple, eh?

> 

> oh yes, for profit prisons, the fastest growing, best protected

> investment in the US would disappear as well . . .

> 

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RE: [Texascavers] Safety in Mexico

[Louise Power]

Just another couple of anecdotes on good experiences (albeit back in the 70s). 
As I said earlier, for several years Mike Connolly and I would take newbies to 
Mexico over the Xmas holidays. Often we camped at Nacimiento del Rio Mante or, 
on occasions, near some houses near the caves we were going to. We would almost 
always take a canned ham for the family, candy for the children and, on 
occasion, a little something to keep the old folks warm. They liked to see us 
coming and often looked after our vehicles and belongings while we went caving. 
I'm sure a lot of their joy in seeing us came from the gifts we brought, but we 
were also very grateful to have someone looking after our stuff. One year, we 
made a big long trip through an area where the roads were barely on the map. At 
one point, I pulled to the side of the road near an apple orchard to wait for 
car #2. While we were there, three little kids (the oldest probably 10) came 
down from a house up on the mountain to see what was going on. At that time, I 
used to carry an old Polaroid b/w camera with me. I had the kids line up 
against the fence and took a couple of pictures of them. When they had 
developed, I gave them to the kids and told them to take them up to their mom. 
In about 10 minutes, just as car #2 drove up, mom came up and handed me a 
package. In it were about a dozen homemade tamales. I told her that it wasn't 
necessary, but she said she really appreciated the pictures. I guess she didn't 
have any or many of her kids. When we got to camp that night, I pulled out a 
big pan so I could steam the tamales, but most of the newbies wouldn't eat 
them. I guess they'd heard too much about getting sick on food in Mexico. A 
couple of others and I, on the other hand, feasted that nite. You're right, 
Robert, I hope what is going on currently is just a phase and disappears soon. 
Good people; good memories.> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:03:24 -0600> From: 
ralb...@austin.rr.com> To: pitboun...@gmail.com> CC: mamaarsc...@gmail.com; 
cavera...@aol.com; power_lou...@hotmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com> 
Subject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] Safety in Mexico> > Just thought I'd contribute 
a few details having grown up on the border > and traveling in northern Mexico 
since the mid-60s. First ?I'll offer a > belief that these things have kind of 
gone in waves. Our early travels > always involved la mordida with regularity 
but that definitely changed > for the better and have not been really "bit" 
since.> > As to drug trafficking I'd hate for people to think that this is a 
south > of the border activity alone. As a young man working crops I was told > 
more than once that I was not to work section X or Y prior to say 9am or > 
after 7pm. And btw if I managed to alert him to approaching BP it would > be 
appreciated. And yes that was a landowner's son giving the directions > circa 
late '70s.> > I've made multiple trips to Creel and as early as '88 it was 
obvious > that you did not go traipsing deep towards Batopilas without making a 
> lot of noise in advance of your approach. Sinaloa was not particularly > safe 
20 years ago.> > Buddy and I tried to recreate the "All the Pretty Horses" trip 
in the > mid 90s. Got stopped by a group of seriously dehydrated Chilango > 
soldiers 25 miles north of OCampo Coah. - despite their 50 caliber > machine 
gun (I exaggerate not) they demanded nothing and we gave them > water as their 
supply truck was a week late. Two days later we were held > at gunpoint by a 
group of very nervous cops northeast of Torreon who > were surprised by our 
sudden appearance busting through a thicket in > search of a road. It was a 
very scary two hours later but once they > realized we weren't drug agents we 
gave them some beer and there was > relaxed back slapping all around.> > My dad 
and I broke down between Galeana and Rayones and after 14 hours > we never saw 
another vehicle. I started walking and an hour later came > upon an old man's 
house built into a gully. He sends a young boy up the > hill and 20 minutes 
later his 20 something son complete with tear drop > tattoos at his eyes 
appears acting totally deferential to the old man > and busted his butt helping 
my dad and I get the vehicle going again. > They refused money but accepted a 
bag of rice after we declined to stay > for dinner .> > Anyhow - I've had friends beaten and taken for rides in 
Reynosa since > the 70s. I lived 5 miles from where the college kid was boiled 
and > eaten. but just like when I visit Bogota, NYC, London, Oakland, wherever 
> - there are places you just have to be extra, extra, careful about and > the 
Mexico / US border is one of them. I've had more innocent kindness > shown to 
me in the heartland of Mexico than I've had in *safe* places > like Switzerland 
and Singapore - I'm looking forward to this wave > passing as well. It won't be 
easy but I believe it will pass. Till then > - be careful but don't let the 
fear stop you.> 

[Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality

[David]

Were these 2 guys cavers?

http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/612969.html

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[Texascavers] marijuana and meth labs problem reduced

[Nancy Weaver]

and of course the illegal drug activities and the profits of the 
groups that benefit could be cut to zero by simply making marijuana 
and meth legal.  voila, just like prohibition - the same number would 
use the product, however no crimes or vast criminal organizations 
would flourish.


way too simple, eh?

oh yes, for profit prisons, the fastest growing, best protected 
investment in the US would disappear as well . . .


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RE: [Texascavers] UT Grotto meeting - December 3, 2008

[Mark . Alman]

Thanks for posting this, Gary, and, Mike, if you'd like to send those pix (and 
a report) my way for the TEXAS CAVER, that would be great.
 
There hasn't been any articles about the Snowy River formation and Fort Stanton 
cave since I've been the editor and not sure when the last one was.
 
It would be a good addition.
 
Send it and any other submissions worthy to print for inclusion!
 
I need material for the next couple of issues and the next issue is at the 
printers, as we speak.
 
I apologize for the delay in getting this last issue out, but I had to write 
the bulk of this issue, assemble the vast and mind-boggling TCR collage on the 
ALL color cover, enter ALL of the TCR registration data into the Membership 
directory to extract/update the mailing list (we added quite a few new members. 
Yeah!), and now, get to mail it out very soon.
 
(Yeah, yeah, yeah! Cry me a river, Mark!)
 
Anyway, that is all. I'll be quiet now and go back to my corner.
 
 
Thanks!
 
Mark 
 



From: Gary Franklin [mailto:garyfrankl...@austin.rr.com]
Sent: Tue 12/2/2008 7:21 AM
To: Texas Cavers
Cc: mgross: cwa-tseu.org
Subject: [Texascavers] UT Grotto meeting - December 3, 2008



UT Grotto meeting - Wednesday December 3, 2008

www.utgrotto.org

The meeting is on Wednesday from 7:45 P.M. - 9:00 P.M.
on the University of Texas Campus in 2.48 Painter Hall
http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/pai.html

Mike Gross will share some photos from the July work expedition at Fort Stanton 
Cave including a bunch from a trip along a mile of the Snowy River formation.  
He will also have a some really great video footage on the discovery and 
surveying of Snowy River.

The UT Grotto is always looking for someone like you that has cool photos and a 
story to share about your caving adventures.  Contact Gary to get your place in 
the spotlight
v...@utgrotto.org



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[Texascavers] UT Grotto meeting - December 3, 2008

[Gary Franklin]

UT Grotto meeting - Wednesday December 3, 2008 
 
www.utgrotto.org 
 
The meeting is on Wednesday from 7:45 P.M. - 9:00 P.M. 
on the University of Texas Campus in 2.48 Painter Hall 
http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/pai.html

Mike Gross will share some photos from the July work expedition at Fort Stanton 
Cave including a bunch from a trip along a mile of the Snowy River formation.  
He will also have a some really great video footage on the discovery and 
surveying of Snowy River.

The UT Grotto is always looking for someone like you that has cool photos and a 
story to share about your caving adventures.  Contact Gary to get your place in 
the spotlight
v...@utgrotto.org



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