RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011

[Fritz Holt]

Shucks! And I had to miss the name tags I had suggested for years. They help 
geezers know who folks are.

Fritz


From: Carl Kunath [mailto:carl.kun...@suddenlink.net]
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 12:23 PM
To: TexasCavers
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011

Congratulations and thanks to Allan Cobb and his host of unsung volunteers for 
yet another great Texas Caver Reunion.  You folks do a great job!

Special thanks this year to whomever followed though with providing name tags 
at registration.  Wonderful!

===Carl Kunath

RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011

[Fritz Holt]

Shucks! And I had to miss the name tags I had suggested for years. They help 
geezers know who folks are.

Fritz


From: Carl Kunath [mailto:carl.kun...@suddenlink.net]
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 12:23 PM
To: TexasCavers
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011

Congratulations and thanks to Allan Cobb and his host of unsung volunteers for 
yet another great Texas Caver Reunion.  You folks do a great job!

Special thanks this year to whomever followed though with providing name tags 
at registration.  Wonderful!

===Carl Kunath

RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011

[Fritz Holt]

Shucks! And I had to miss the name tags I had suggested for years. They help 
geezers know who folks are.

Fritz


From: Carl Kunath [mailto:carl.kun...@suddenlink.net]
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 12:23 PM
To: TexasCavers
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011

Congratulations and thanks to Allan Cobb and his host of unsung volunteers for 
yet another great Texas Caver Reunion.  You folks do a great job!

Special thanks this year to whomever followed though with providing name tags 
at registration.  Wonderful!

===Carl Kunath

Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011

[Espeleo Coahuila]

And Thank you Steve Gutting, to help me in the survey team wonderful
job
Moni

2011/10/18 Espeleo Coahuila 

> Thank you friends,  this year was my second time to participed in TCR, the
> first 2009, I cannot to help much, and you help me alot with my treatments,
> this weekend received a lot hugs and good words from you, and some
> donations.
> Thank you again for let me help  in some areas that you need help: Aimee:
>  with the cup cakes, Aimee and Geoff: to support me too,  Ellie: in the
> registration area, that's a wonderful place to meet people, say hello, and
> give hugs, with Nick : to carrie wood to hot tube, I try help. Gill: thank
> you for give me a rait, Linda and Allan thank you for your support. Jenni
> and Don: for help me.
> Ruff and Roger: thank you for help me.Ellie thank you for your help too.
> the flavors of the food, was very good. The time with the friends was
> wonderful
> the contest was great, I win in survey team (my first time) and the costume
> ( thanks)
>
> Well I saw many people, friends from Austin, Houston, San Antonio, a new
> friends, Mexico. Hope the next year come again and help more...
> Love you
> Hope you understand my english
>
> See you soon in the Bexar Grotto.
>
> Moni Ponce.
>
>
>
>
> 2011/10/17 Carl Kunath 
>
>>   Congratulations and thanks to Allan Cobb and his host of unsung
>> volunteers for yet another great Texas Caver Reunion.  You folks do a great
>> job!
>>
>> Special thanks this year to whomever followed though with providing name
>> tags at registration.  Wonderful!
>>
>> ===Carl Kunath
>>
>
>
>
> --
> LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez
> San Antonio, Texas
> espeleocoahu...@gmail.com
>
>


-- 
LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez
San Antonio, Texas
espeleocoahu...@gmail.com

Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011

[Espeleo Coahuila]

And Thank you Steve Gutting, to help me in the survey team wonderful
job
Moni

2011/10/18 Espeleo Coahuila 

> Thank you friends,  this year was my second time to participed in TCR, the
> first 2009, I cannot to help much, and you help me alot with my treatments,
> this weekend received a lot hugs and good words from you, and some
> donations.
> Thank you again for let me help  in some areas that you need help: Aimee:
>  with the cup cakes, Aimee and Geoff: to support me too,  Ellie: in the
> registration area, that's a wonderful place to meet people, say hello, and
> give hugs, with Nick : to carrie wood to hot tube, I try help. Gill: thank
> you for give me a rait, Linda and Allan thank you for your support. Jenni
> and Don: for help me.
> Ruff and Roger: thank you for help me.Ellie thank you for your help too.
> the flavors of the food, was very good. The time with the friends was
> wonderful
> the contest was great, I win in survey team (my first time) and the costume
> ( thanks)
>
> Well I saw many people, friends from Austin, Houston, San Antonio, a new
> friends, Mexico. Hope the next year come again and help more...
> Love you
> Hope you understand my english
>
> See you soon in the Bexar Grotto.
>
> Moni Ponce.
>
>
>
>
> 2011/10/17 Carl Kunath 
>
>>   Congratulations and thanks to Allan Cobb and his host of unsung
>> volunteers for yet another great Texas Caver Reunion.  You folks do a great
>> job!
>>
>> Special thanks this year to whomever followed though with providing name
>> tags at registration.  Wonderful!
>>
>> ===Carl Kunath
>>
>
>
>
> --
> LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez
> San Antonio, Texas
> espeleocoahu...@gmail.com
>
>


-- 
LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez
San Antonio, Texas
espeleocoahu...@gmail.com

Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011

[Espeleo Coahuila]

And Thank you Steve Gutting, to help me in the survey team wonderful
job
Moni

2011/10/18 Espeleo Coahuila 

> Thank you friends,  this year was my second time to participed in TCR, the
> first 2009, I cannot to help much, and you help me alot with my treatments,
> this weekend received a lot hugs and good words from you, and some
> donations.
> Thank you again for let me help  in some areas that you need help: Aimee:
>  with the cup cakes, Aimee and Geoff: to support me too,  Ellie: in the
> registration area, that's a wonderful place to meet people, say hello, and
> give hugs, with Nick : to carrie wood to hot tube, I try help. Gill: thank
> you for give me a rait, Linda and Allan thank you for your support. Jenni
> and Don: for help me.
> Ruff and Roger: thank you for help me.Ellie thank you for your help too.
> the flavors of the food, was very good. The time with the friends was
> wonderful
> the contest was great, I win in survey team (my first time) and the costume
> ( thanks)
>
> Well I saw many people, friends from Austin, Houston, San Antonio, a new
> friends, Mexico. Hope the next year come again and help more...
> Love you
> Hope you understand my english
>
> See you soon in the Bexar Grotto.
>
> Moni Ponce.
>
>
>
>
> 2011/10/17 Carl Kunath 
>
>>   Congratulations and thanks to Allan Cobb and his host of unsung
>> volunteers for yet another great Texas Caver Reunion.  You folks do a great
>> job!
>>
>> Special thanks this year to whomever followed though with providing name
>> tags at registration.  Wonderful!
>>
>> ===Carl Kunath
>>
>
>
>
> --
> LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez
> San Antonio, Texas
> espeleocoahu...@gmail.com
>
>


-- 
LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez
San Antonio, Texas
espeleocoahu...@gmail.com

Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011

[Espeleo Coahuila]

Thank you friends,  this year was my second time to participed in TCR, the
first 2009, I cannot to help much, and you help me alot with my treatments,
this weekend received a lot hugs and good words from you, and some
donations.
Thank you again for let me help  in some areas that you need help: Aimee:
 with the cup cakes, Aimee and Geoff: to support me too,  Ellie: in the
registration area, that's a wonderful place to meet people, say hello, and
give hugs, with Nick : to carrie wood to hot tube, I try help. Gill: thank
you for give me a rait, Linda and Allan thank you for your support. Jenni
and Don: for help me.
Ruff and Roger: thank you for help me.Ellie thank you for your help too.
the flavors of the food, was very good. The time with the friends was
wonderful
the contest was great, I win in survey team (my first time) and the costume
( thanks)

Well I saw many people, friends from Austin, Houston, San Antonio, a new
friends, Mexico. Hope the next year come again and help more...
Love you
Hope you understand my english

See you soon in the Bexar Grotto.

Moni Ponce.




2011/10/17 Carl Kunath 

>   Congratulations and thanks to Allan Cobb and his host of unsung
> volunteers for yet another great Texas Caver Reunion.  You folks do a great
> job!
>
> Special thanks this year to whomever followed though with providing name
> tags at registration.  Wonderful!
>
> ===Carl Kunath
>



-- 
LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez
San Antonio, Texas
espeleocoahu...@gmail.com

Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011

[Espeleo Coahuila]

Thank you friends,  this year was my second time to participed in TCR, the
first 2009, I cannot to help much, and you help me alot with my treatments,
this weekend received a lot hugs and good words from you, and some
donations.
Thank you again for let me help  in some areas that you need help: Aimee:
 with the cup cakes, Aimee and Geoff: to support me too,  Ellie: in the
registration area, that's a wonderful place to meet people, say hello, and
give hugs, with Nick : to carrie wood to hot tube, I try help. Gill: thank
you for give me a rait, Linda and Allan thank you for your support. Jenni
and Don: for help me.
Ruff and Roger: thank you for help me.Ellie thank you for your help too.
the flavors of the food, was very good. The time with the friends was
wonderful
the contest was great, I win in survey team (my first time) and the costume
( thanks)

Well I saw many people, friends from Austin, Houston, San Antonio, a new
friends, Mexico. Hope the next year come again and help more...
Love you
Hope you understand my english

See you soon in the Bexar Grotto.

Moni Ponce.




2011/10/17 Carl Kunath 

>   Congratulations and thanks to Allan Cobb and his host of unsung
> volunteers for yet another great Texas Caver Reunion.  You folks do a great
> job!
>
> Special thanks this year to whomever followed though with providing name
> tags at registration.  Wonderful!
>
> ===Carl Kunath
>



-- 
LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez
San Antonio, Texas
espeleocoahu...@gmail.com

Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011

[Espeleo Coahuila]

Thank you friends,  this year was my second time to participed in TCR, the
first 2009, I cannot to help much, and you help me alot with my treatments,
this weekend received a lot hugs and good words from you, and some
donations.
Thank you again for let me help  in some areas that you need help: Aimee:
 with the cup cakes, Aimee and Geoff: to support me too,  Ellie: in the
registration area, that's a wonderful place to meet people, say hello, and
give hugs, with Nick : to carrie wood to hot tube, I try help. Gill: thank
you for give me a rait, Linda and Allan thank you for your support. Jenni
and Don: for help me.
Ruff and Roger: thank you for help me.Ellie thank you for your help too.
the flavors of the food, was very good. The time with the friends was
wonderful
the contest was great, I win in survey team (my first time) and the costume
( thanks)

Well I saw many people, friends from Austin, Houston, San Antonio, a new
friends, Mexico. Hope the next year come again and help more...
Love you
Hope you understand my english

See you soon in the Bexar Grotto.

Moni Ponce.




2011/10/17 Carl Kunath 

>   Congratulations and thanks to Allan Cobb and his host of unsung
> volunteers for yet another great Texas Caver Reunion.  You folks do a great
> job!
>
> Special thanks this year to whomever followed though with providing name
> tags at registration.  Wonderful!
>
> ===Carl Kunath
>



-- 
LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez
San Antonio, Texas
espeleocoahu...@gmail.com

RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Fritz Holt]

Diana, 

I am that old and could probably sustain myself on DQ Blizzards but the liquid 
diet was aimed at beer loving cavers which seem to be the majority of adult 
males today. In my 76 years I never drank or smoked. Well, that's not 
altogether true as I love egg nog and a mild margarita once or twice a year.

Fritz (geezer( :)

-Original Message-
From: Diana Tomchick [mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 11:55 AM
To: Fritz Holt
Cc: mark.al...@l-3com.com; Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex; Mandy Holt
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Fritz, have you gotten so old that now you need a liquid diet?

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)



On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

> I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to 
> white and wheat bread, could we have some rye?
> It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many 
> prefer a liquid diet.
>
> Fritz
>
> From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM
> To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with 
> me and also be something different.
>
> Desperate times and all.
>
>
> Just my 1/50th of a dollar.
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM
> To: Cave Tex
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Anyone for salad this year? ;-)
>
> --Stefan
> [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer]
>
> From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM
> To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'
> Cc: Cave Tex
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Gill,
>
> I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at 
> home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a 
> cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than 
> last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this 
> year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this 
> year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily 
> frequented.
>
> Fritz
>
> From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill 
> Edigar
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
> To: Diana Tomchick
> Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
>My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and 
> having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most 
> exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally 
> don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= 
> fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must 
> do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to 
> fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper 
> which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. 
> As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry 
> chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR.
>I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. 
> Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear 
> up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to 
> create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting 
> around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. 
> Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint 
> rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is 
> happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as 
> possible.
>Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water 
> can be home to certain organism that could be
> harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on 
> this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
>   I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and 
> have made the above suggestions. I'm con

RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Fritz Holt]

Diana, 

I am that old and could probably sustain myself on DQ Blizzards but the liquid 
diet was aimed at beer loving cavers which seem to be the majority of adult 
males today. In my 76 years I never drank or smoked. Well, that's not 
altogether true as I love egg nog and a mild margarita once or twice a year.

Fritz (geezer( :)

-Original Message-
From: Diana Tomchick [mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 11:55 AM
To: Fritz Holt
Cc: mark.al...@l-3com.com; Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex; Mandy Holt
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Fritz, have you gotten so old that now you need a liquid diet?

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)



On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

> I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to 
> white and wheat bread, could we have some rye?
> It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many 
> prefer a liquid diet.
>
> Fritz
>
> From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM
> To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with 
> me and also be something different.
>
> Desperate times and all.
>
>
> Just my 1/50th of a dollar.
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM
> To: Cave Tex
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Anyone for salad this year? ;-)
>
> --Stefan
> [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer]
>
> From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM
> To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'
> Cc: Cave Tex
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Gill,
>
> I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at 
> home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a 
> cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than 
> last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this 
> year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this 
> year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily 
> frequented.
>
> Fritz
>
> From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill 
> Edigar
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
> To: Diana Tomchick
> Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
>My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and 
> having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most 
> exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally 
> don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= 
> fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must 
> do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to 
> fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper 
> which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. 
> As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry 
> chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR.
>I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. 
> Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear 
> up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to 
> create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting 
> around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. 
> Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint 
> rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is 
> happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as 
> possible.
>Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water 
> can be home to certain organism that could be
> harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on 
> this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
>   I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and 
> have made the above suggestions. I'm con

RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Fritz Holt]

Diana, 

I am that old and could probably sustain myself on DQ Blizzards but the liquid 
diet was aimed at beer loving cavers which seem to be the majority of adult 
males today. In my 76 years I never drank or smoked. Well, that's not 
altogether true as I love egg nog and a mild margarita once or twice a year.

Fritz (geezer( :)

-Original Message-
From: Diana Tomchick [mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 11:55 AM
To: Fritz Holt
Cc: mark.al...@l-3com.com; Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex; Mandy Holt
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Fritz, have you gotten so old that now you need a liquid diet?

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)



On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

> I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to 
> white and wheat bread, could we have some rye?
> It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many 
> prefer a liquid diet.
>
> Fritz
>
> From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM
> To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with 
> me and also be something different.
>
> Desperate times and all.
>
>
> Just my 1/50th of a dollar.
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM
> To: Cave Tex
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Anyone for salad this year? ;-)
>
> --Stefan
> [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer]
>
> From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM
> To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'
> Cc: Cave Tex
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Gill,
>
> I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at 
> home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a 
> cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than 
> last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this 
> year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this 
> year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily 
> frequented.
>
> Fritz
>
> From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill 
> Edigar
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
> To: Diana Tomchick
> Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
>My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and 
> having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most 
> exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally 
> don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= 
> fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must 
> do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to 
> fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper 
> which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. 
> As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry 
> chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR.
>I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. 
> Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear 
> up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to 
> create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting 
> around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. 
> Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint 
> rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is 
> happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as 
> possible.
>Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water 
> can be home to certain organism that could be
> harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on 
> this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
>   I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and 
> have made the above suggestions. I'm con

RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Stefan Creaser]

Well if you do Fritz, bring your own...   The theme this year is 
Caribbean/Pirate, I'm not sure they had sandwiches ;-)

From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 11:50 AM
To: 'mark.al...@l-3com.com'; Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex
Cc: 'Mandy Holt'
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to 
white and wheat bread, could we have some rye?
It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many 
prefer a liquid diet.

Fritz


From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM
To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with me 
and also be something different.

Desperate times and all.


Just my 1/50th of a dollar.


Mark



From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM
To: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Anyone for salad this year? ;-)

--Stefan
[Chief Cook and Bottle Washer]

From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM
To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'
Cc: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Gill,

I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at 
home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a 
cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than 
last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this 
year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year 
I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented.

Fritz


From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill 
Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

   My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and 
having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most 
exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't 
have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel 
for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as 
much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any 
fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns 
like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first 
response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire 
extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR.
   I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not 
only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up 
what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create 
sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due 
to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should 
not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the 
ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. 
Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible.
   Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can 
be home to certain organism that could be
harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this 
a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
  I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and 
have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun 
and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because 
it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to 
enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the 
organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to  
normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and 
where ever cavers gather would be appreciated.
--Ediger


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confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, 
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other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any 
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RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Stefan Creaser]

Well if you do Fritz, bring your own...   The theme this year is 
Caribbean/Pirate, I'm not sure they had sandwiches ;-)

From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 11:50 AM
To: 'mark.al...@l-3com.com'; Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex
Cc: 'Mandy Holt'
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to 
white and wheat bread, could we have some rye?
It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many 
prefer a liquid diet.

Fritz


From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM
To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with me 
and also be something different.

Desperate times and all.


Just my 1/50th of a dollar.


Mark



From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM
To: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Anyone for salad this year? ;-)

--Stefan
[Chief Cook and Bottle Washer]

From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM
To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'
Cc: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Gill,

I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at 
home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a 
cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than 
last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this 
year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year 
I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented.

Fritz


From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill 
Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

   My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and 
having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most 
exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't 
have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel 
for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as 
much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any 
fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns 
like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first 
response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire 
extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR.
   I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not 
only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up 
what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create 
sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due 
to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should 
not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the 
ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. 
Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible.
   Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can 
be home to certain organism that could be
harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this 
a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
  I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and 
have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun 
and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because 
it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to 
enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the 
organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to  
normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and 
where ever cavers gather would be appreciated.
--Ediger


-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, 
please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any 
other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any 
medium. Thank you.

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confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, 
please notify the sender immediat

RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Stefan Creaser]

Well if you do Fritz, bring your own...   The theme this year is 
Caribbean/Pirate, I'm not sure they had sandwiches ;-)

From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 11:50 AM
To: 'mark.al...@l-3com.com'; Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex
Cc: 'Mandy Holt'
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to 
white and wheat bread, could we have some rye?
It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many 
prefer a liquid diet.

Fritz


From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM
To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with me 
and also be something different.

Desperate times and all.


Just my 1/50th of a dollar.


Mark



From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM
To: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Anyone for salad this year? ;-)

--Stefan
[Chief Cook and Bottle Washer]

From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM
To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'
Cc: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Gill,

I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at 
home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a 
cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than 
last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this 
year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year 
I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented.

Fritz


From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill 
Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

   My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and 
having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most 
exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't 
have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel 
for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as 
much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any 
fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns 
like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first 
response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire 
extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR.
   I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not 
only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up 
what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create 
sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due 
to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should 
not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the 
ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. 
Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible.
   Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can 
be home to certain organism that could be
harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this 
a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
  I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and 
have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun 
and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because 
it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to 
enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the 
organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to  
normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and 
where ever cavers gather would be appreciated.
--Ediger


-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, 
please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any 
other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any 
medium. Thank you.

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confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, 
please notify the sender immediat

Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Diana Tomchick]

Fritz, have you gotten so old that now you need a liquid diet?

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)



On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

> I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to 
> white and wheat bread, could we have some rye?
> It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many 
> prefer a liquid diet.
>
> Fritz
>
> From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM
> To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with 
> me and also be something different.
>
> Desperate times and all.
>
>
> Just my 1/50th of a dollar.
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM
> To: Cave Tex
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Anyone for salad this year? ;-)
>
> --Stefan
> [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer]
>
> From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM
> To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'
> Cc: Cave Tex
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Gill,
>
> I’m convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at 
> home. I’ll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don’t call it a 
> cane. TCR is always a blast and I don’t see how it could be any dustier than 
> last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this 
> year. That’s OK as I like cereal. If Dave’s Cave Saloon is operating this 
> year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily 
> frequented.
>
> Fritz
>
> From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill 
> Edigar
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
> To: Diana Tomchick
> Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
>My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and 
> having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most 
> exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally 
> don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= 
> fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must 
> do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to 
> fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper 
> which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. 
> As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry 
> chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR.
>I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. 
> Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear 
> up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to 
> create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting 
> around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. 
> Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint 
> rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is 
> happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as 
> possible.
>Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water 
> can be home to certain organism that could be
> harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on 
> this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
>   I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and 
> have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun 
> and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just 
> because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be 
> plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements 
> from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get 
> back to  normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto 
> meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated.
> --Ediger
>
>
> -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
&

Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Diana Tomchick]

Fritz, have you gotten so old that now you need a liquid diet?

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)



On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

> I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to 
> white and wheat bread, could we have some rye?
> It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many 
> prefer a liquid diet.
>
> Fritz
>
> From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM
> To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with 
> me and also be something different.
>
> Desperate times and all.
>
>
> Just my 1/50th of a dollar.
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM
> To: Cave Tex
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Anyone for salad this year? ;-)
>
> --Stefan
> [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer]
>
> From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM
> To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'
> Cc: Cave Tex
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Gill,
>
> I’m convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at 
> home. I’ll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don’t call it a 
> cane. TCR is always a blast and I don’t see how it could be any dustier than 
> last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this 
> year. That’s OK as I like cereal. If Dave’s Cave Saloon is operating this 
> year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily 
> frequented.
>
> Fritz
>
> From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill 
> Edigar
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
> To: Diana Tomchick
> Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
>My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and 
> having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most 
> exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally 
> don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= 
> fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must 
> do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to 
> fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper 
> which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. 
> As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry 
> chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR.
>I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. 
> Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear 
> up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to 
> create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting 
> around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. 
> Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint 
> rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is 
> happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as 
> possible.
>Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water 
> can be home to certain organism that could be
> harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on 
> this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
>   I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and 
> have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun 
> and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just 
> because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be 
> plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements 
> from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get 
> back to  normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto 
> meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated.
> --Ediger
>
>
> -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
&

Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Diana Tomchick]

Fritz, have you gotten so old that now you need a liquid diet?

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)



On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

> I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to 
> white and wheat bread, could we have some rye?
> It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many 
> prefer a liquid diet.
>
> Fritz
>
> From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM
> To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with 
> me and also be something different.
>
> Desperate times and all.
>
>
> Just my 1/50th of a dollar.
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM
> To: Cave Tex
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Anyone for salad this year? ;-)
>
> --Stefan
> [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer]
>
> From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM
> To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'
> Cc: Cave Tex
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Gill,
>
> I’m convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at 
> home. I’ll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don’t call it a 
> cane. TCR is always a blast and I don’t see how it could be any dustier than 
> last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this 
> year. That’s OK as I like cereal. If Dave’s Cave Saloon is operating this 
> year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily 
> frequented.
>
> Fritz
>
> From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill 
> Edigar
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
> To: Diana Tomchick
> Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
>My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and 
> having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most 
> exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally 
> don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= 
> fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must 
> do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to 
> fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper 
> which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. 
> As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry 
> chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR.
>I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. 
> Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear 
> up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to 
> create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting 
> around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. 
> Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint 
> rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is 
> happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as 
> possible.
>Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water 
> can be home to certain organism that could be
> harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on 
> this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
>   I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and 
> have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun 
> and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just 
> because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be 
> plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements 
> from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get 
> back to  normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto 
> meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated.
> --Ediger
>
>
> -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
&

RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Fritz Holt]

I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to 
white and wheat bread, could we have some rye?
It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many 
prefer a liquid diet.

Fritz


From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM
To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with me 
and also be something different.

Desperate times and all.


Just my 1/50th of a dollar.


Mark



From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM
To: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Anyone for salad this year? ;-)

--Stefan
[Chief Cook and Bottle Washer]

From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM
To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'
Cc: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Gill,

I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at 
home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a 
cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than 
last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this 
year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year 
I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented.

Fritz


From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill 
Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

   My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and 
having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most 
exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't 
have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel 
for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as 
much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any 
fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns 
like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first 
response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire 
extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR.
   I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not 
only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up 
what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create 
sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due 
to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should 
not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the 
ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. 
Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible.
   Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can 
be home to certain organism that could be
harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this 
a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
  I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and 
have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun 
and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because 
it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to 
enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the 
organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to  
normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and 
where ever cavers gather would be appreciated.
--Ediger


-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, 
please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any 
other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any 
medium. Thank you.

RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Fritz Holt]

I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to 
white and wheat bread, could we have some rye?
It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many 
prefer a liquid diet.

Fritz


From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM
To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with me 
and also be something different.

Desperate times and all.


Just my 1/50th of a dollar.


Mark



From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM
To: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Anyone for salad this year? ;-)

--Stefan
[Chief Cook and Bottle Washer]

From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM
To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'
Cc: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Gill,

I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at 
home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a 
cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than 
last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this 
year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year 
I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented.

Fritz


From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill 
Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

   My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and 
having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most 
exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't 
have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel 
for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as 
much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any 
fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns 
like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first 
response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire 
extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR.
   I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not 
only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up 
what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create 
sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due 
to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should 
not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the 
ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. 
Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible.
   Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can 
be home to certain organism that could be
harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this 
a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
  I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and 
have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun 
and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because 
it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to 
enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the 
organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to  
normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and 
where ever cavers gather would be appreciated.
--Ediger


-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, 
please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any 
other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any 
medium. Thank you.

RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Fritz Holt]

I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to 
white and wheat bread, could we have some rye?
It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many 
prefer a liquid diet.

Fritz


From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM
To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with me 
and also be something different.

Desperate times and all.


Just my 1/50th of a dollar.


Mark



From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM
To: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Anyone for salad this year? ;-)

--Stefan
[Chief Cook and Bottle Washer]

From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM
To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'
Cc: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Gill,

I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at 
home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a 
cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than 
last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this 
year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year 
I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented.

Fritz


From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill 
Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

   My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and 
having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most 
exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't 
have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel 
for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as 
much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any 
fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns 
like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first 
response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire 
extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR.
   I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not 
only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up 
what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create 
sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due 
to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should 
not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the 
ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. 
Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible.
   Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can 
be home to certain organism that could be
harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this 
a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
  I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and 
have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun 
and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because 
it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to 
enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the 
organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to  
normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and 
where ever cavers gather would be appreciated.
--Ediger


-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, 
please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any 
other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any 
medium. Thank you.

RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Mark . Alman]

A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine
with me and also be something different.

 

Desperate times and all.

 

 

Just my 1/50th of a dollar.

 

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM
To: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

 

Anyone for salad this year? ;-)

 

--Stefan

[Chief Cook and Bottle Washer]

 

From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM
To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'
Cc: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

 

Gill,

 

I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me)
stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please
don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could
be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more
cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's
Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I
am sure it will be heavily frequented.

 

Fritz

 



From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Gill Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

 

   My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch
and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a
most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we
normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead
plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant
rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and
dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will
be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when
ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response
measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire
extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. 

   I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at
home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but
they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are
more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who
use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them
slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would
be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks
make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet,
stick to the paved roads as much as possible. 

   Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm
water can be home to certain organism that could be 

harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound
on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. 

  I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR
operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we
can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year.
Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you
remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay
tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer.
Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to  normal--or abnormal,
however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers
gather would be appreciated. 

--Ediger

 


-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended
recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the
contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy
the information in any medium. Thank you.

RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Mark . Alman]

A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine
with me and also be something different.

 

Desperate times and all.

 

 

Just my 1/50th of a dollar.

 

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM
To: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

 

Anyone for salad this year? ;-)

 

--Stefan

[Chief Cook and Bottle Washer]

 

From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM
To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'
Cc: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

 

Gill,

 

I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me)
stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please
don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could
be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more
cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's
Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I
am sure it will be heavily frequented.

 

Fritz

 



From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Gill Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

 

   My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch
and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a
most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we
normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead
plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant
rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and
dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will
be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when
ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response
measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire
extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. 

   I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at
home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but
they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are
more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who
use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them
slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would
be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks
make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet,
stick to the paved roads as much as possible. 

   Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm
water can be home to certain organism that could be 

harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound
on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. 

  I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR
operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we
can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year.
Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you
remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay
tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer.
Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to  normal--or abnormal,
however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers
gather would be appreciated. 

--Ediger

 


-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended
recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the
contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy
the information in any medium. Thank you.

RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Mark . Alman]

A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine
with me and also be something different.

 

Desperate times and all.

 

 

Just my 1/50th of a dollar.

 

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM
To: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

 

Anyone for salad this year? ;-)

 

--Stefan

[Chief Cook and Bottle Washer]

 

From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM
To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'
Cc: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

 

Gill,

 

I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me)
stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please
don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could
be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more
cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's
Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I
am sure it will be heavily frequented.

 

Fritz

 



From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Gill Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

 

   My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch
and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a
most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we
normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead
plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant
rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and
dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will
be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when
ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response
measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire
extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. 

   I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at
home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but
they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are
more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who
use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them
slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would
be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks
make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet,
stick to the paved roads as much as possible. 

   Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm
water can be home to certain organism that could be 

harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound
on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. 

  I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR
operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we
can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year.
Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you
remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay
tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer.
Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to  normal--or abnormal,
however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers
gather would be appreciated. 

--Ediger

 


-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended
recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the
contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy
the information in any medium. Thank you.

RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Fritz Holt]

There's probably a KFC in Johnson City that caters. :)  :(


From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM
To: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Anyone for salad this year? ;-)

--Stefan
[Chief Cook and Bottle Washer]

From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM
To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'
Cc: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Gill,

I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at 
home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a 
cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than 
last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this 
year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year 
I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented.

Fritz


From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill 
Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

   My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and 
having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most 
exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't 
have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel 
for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as 
much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any 
fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns 
like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first 
response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire 
extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR.
   I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not 
only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up 
what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create 
sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due 
to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should 
not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the 
ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. 
Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible.
   Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can 
be home to certain organism that could be
harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this 
a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
  I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and 
have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun 
and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because 
it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to 
enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the 
organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to  
normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and 
where ever cavers gather would be appreciated.
--Ediger


-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, 
please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any 
other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any 
medium. Thank you.

RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Fritz Holt]

There's probably a KFC in Johnson City that caters. :)  :(


From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM
To: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Anyone for salad this year? ;-)

--Stefan
[Chief Cook and Bottle Washer]

From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM
To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'
Cc: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Gill,

I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at 
home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a 
cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than 
last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this 
year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year 
I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented.

Fritz


From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill 
Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

   My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and 
having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most 
exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't 
have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel 
for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as 
much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any 
fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns 
like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first 
response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire 
extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR.
   I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not 
only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up 
what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create 
sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due 
to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should 
not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the 
ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. 
Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible.
   Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can 
be home to certain organism that could be
harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this 
a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
  I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and 
have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun 
and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because 
it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to 
enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the 
organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to  
normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and 
where ever cavers gather would be appreciated.
--Ediger


-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, 
please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any 
other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any 
medium. Thank you.

RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Fritz Holt]

There's probably a KFC in Johnson City that caters. :)  :(


From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM
To: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Anyone for salad this year? ;-)

--Stefan
[Chief Cook and Bottle Washer]

From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM
To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'
Cc: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Gill,

I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at 
home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a 
cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than 
last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this 
year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year 
I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented.

Fritz


From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill 
Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

   My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and 
having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most 
exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't 
have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel 
for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as 
much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any 
fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns 
like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first 
response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire 
extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR.
   I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not 
only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up 
what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create 
sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due 
to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should 
not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the 
ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. 
Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible.
   Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can 
be home to certain organism that could be
harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this 
a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
  I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and 
have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun 
and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because 
it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to 
enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the 
organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to  
normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and 
where ever cavers gather would be appreciated.
--Ediger


-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, 
please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any 
other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any 
medium. Thank you.

RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Stefan Creaser]

Anyone for salad this year? ;-)

--Stefan
[Chief Cook and Bottle Washer]

From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM
To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'
Cc: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Gill,

I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at 
home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a 
cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than 
last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this 
year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year 
I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented.

Fritz


From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill 
Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

   My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and 
having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most 
exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't 
have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel 
for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as 
much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any 
fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns 
like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first 
response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire 
extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR.
   I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not 
only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up 
what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create 
sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due 
to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should 
not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the 
ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. 
Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible.
   Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can 
be home to certain organism that could be
harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this 
a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
  I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and 
have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun 
and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because 
it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to 
enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the 
organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to  
normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and 
where ever cavers gather would be appreciated.
--Ediger


-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, 
please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any 
other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any 
medium. Thank you.

RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Stefan Creaser]

Anyone for salad this year? ;-)

--Stefan
[Chief Cook and Bottle Washer]

From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM
To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'
Cc: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Gill,

I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at 
home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a 
cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than 
last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this 
year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year 
I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented.

Fritz


From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill 
Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

   My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and 
having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most 
exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't 
have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel 
for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as 
much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any 
fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns 
like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first 
response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire 
extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR.
   I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not 
only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up 
what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create 
sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due 
to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should 
not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the 
ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. 
Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible.
   Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can 
be home to certain organism that could be
harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this 
a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
  I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and 
have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun 
and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because 
it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to 
enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the 
organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to  
normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and 
where ever cavers gather would be appreciated.
--Ediger


-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, 
please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any 
other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any 
medium. Thank you.

RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Stefan Creaser]

Anyone for salad this year? ;-)

--Stefan
[Chief Cook and Bottle Washer]

From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM
To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'
Cc: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Gill,

I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at 
home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a 
cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than 
last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this 
year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year 
I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented.

Fritz


From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill 
Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

   My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and 
having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most 
exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't 
have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel 
for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as 
much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any 
fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns 
like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first 
response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire 
extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR.
   I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not 
only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up 
what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create 
sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due 
to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should 
not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the 
ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. 
Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible.
   Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can 
be home to certain organism that could be
harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this 
a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
  I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and 
have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun 
and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because 
it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to 
enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the 
organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to  
normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and 
where ever cavers gather would be appreciated.
--Ediger


-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, 
please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any 
other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any 
medium. Thank you.

RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Fritz Holt]

Gill,

I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at 
home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a 
cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than 
last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this 
year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year 
I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented.

Fritz


From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill 
Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

   My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and 
having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most 
exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't 
have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel 
for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as 
much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any 
fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns 
like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first 
response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire 
extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR.
   I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not 
only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up 
what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create 
sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due 
to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should 
not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the 
ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. 
Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible.
   Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can 
be home to certain organism that could be
harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this 
a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
  I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and 
have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun 
and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because 
it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to 
enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the 
organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to  
normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and 
where ever cavers gather would be appreciated.
--Ediger

RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Fritz Holt]

Gill,

I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at 
home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a 
cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than 
last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this 
year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year 
I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented.

Fritz


From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill 
Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

   My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and 
having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most 
exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't 
have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel 
for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as 
much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any 
fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns 
like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first 
response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire 
extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR.
   I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not 
only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up 
what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create 
sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due 
to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should 
not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the 
ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. 
Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible.
   Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can 
be home to certain organism that could be
harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this 
a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
  I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and 
have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun 
and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because 
it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to 
enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the 
organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to  
normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and 
where ever cavers gather would be appreciated.
--Ediger

RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Fritz Holt]

Gill,

I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at 
home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a 
cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than 
last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this 
year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year 
I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented.

Fritz


From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill 
Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

   My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and 
having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most 
exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't 
have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel 
for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as 
much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any 
fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns 
like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first 
response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire 
extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR.
   I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not 
only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up 
what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create 
sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due 
to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should 
not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the 
ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. 
Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible.
   Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can 
be home to certain organism that could be
harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this 
a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
  I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and 
have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun 
and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because 
it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to 
enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the 
organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to  
normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and 
where ever cavers gather would be appreciated.
--Ediger

Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Gill Edigar]

   My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and
having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most
exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally
don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material
(= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we
must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be
prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender
dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like
wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that
everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their
caving vehicle for TCR.
   I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home.
Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear
up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to
create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting
around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately.
Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint
rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is
happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as
possible.
   Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water
can be home to certain organism that could be
harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on
this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
  I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives
and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of
fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just
because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be
plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements
from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get
back to  normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto
meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated.
--Ediger

Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Gill Edigar]

   My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and
having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most
exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally
don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material
(= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we
must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be
prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender
dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like
wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that
everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their
caving vehicle for TCR.
   I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home.
Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear
up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to
create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting
around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately.
Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint
rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is
happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as
possible.
   Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water
can be home to certain organism that could be
harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on
this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
  I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives
and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of
fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just
because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be
plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements
from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get
back to  normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto
meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated.
--Ediger

Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Gill Edigar]

   My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and
having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most
exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally
don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material
(= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we
must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be
prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender
dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like
wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that
everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their
caving vehicle for TCR.
   I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home.
Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear
up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to
create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting
around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately.
Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint
rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is
happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as
possible.
   Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water
can be home to certain organism that could be
harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on
this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
  I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives
and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of
fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just
because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be
plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements
from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get
back to  normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto
meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated.
--Ediger

Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Diana Tomchick]

You can rent a modern mountain bike for the weekend, it's not expensive.

Since there may not be much water for swimming, it would make an enjoyable 
alternative. I managed to do some mountain biking last year, despite the 
relatively steep terrain and dust. It was great fun, and the dogs always enjoy 
running after the bike.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B   
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. 
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)



On Sep 7, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

> Diana,
> 
> I have a standard bike with no gearing and that might be a little tough on 
> the hills and rough stuff. I had a 7 gear Schwinn Cruiser which I donated at 
> the TCR sale the last year at Paradise Canyon.
> 
> Fritz
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Diana Tomchick [mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:44 AM
> To: Fritz Holt
> Cc: Allan B. Cobb; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
> 
> I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try 
> bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire.
> 
> Diana
> 
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Associate Professor
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> Department of Biochemistry
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214B
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
> Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> 214-645-6383 (phone)
> 214-645-6353 (fax)
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:
> 
>> Allan,
>> 
>> I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. 
>> My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain 
>> other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any 
>> ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little 
>> Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If 
>> permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to 
>> bring theirs.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Fritz Holt
>> 
>> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
>> To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
>> Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>> 
>> Howdy y'all!
>> 
>> No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas.  Flat Creek, the site 
>> of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property.  Needless to 
>> say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high.  At TCR this year, there WILL 
>> BE NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES.  Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for 
>> cooking.  Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.
>> 
>> Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very 
>> hot and can ignite grass.  DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS.  It is not really hard 
>> to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you 
>> park.
>> 
>> If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground.  Not only is this 
>> unsightly but it is also a fire hazard.
>> 
>> The grass and trees are very dry.  It will not take much to start a fire and 
>> it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.
>> 
>> TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement.  However, these rules 
>> will be STRICTLY ENFORCED!
>> 
>> We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid 
>> starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may 
>> prevent a disaster.
>> 
>> OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...
>> 
>> The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16.  Y'all are 
>> all invited to come to the fun and festivities.  There is not much water in 
>> the pond but there is some.  Let's hope we get some rain between now and 
>> then.  Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty.  Please drive 
>> slow when you are off the pavement.
>> 
>> For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit 
>> www.oztotl.com/tcr.
>> 
>> See y'all there!
>> Allan
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Diana Tomchick]

You can rent a modern mountain bike for the weekend, it's not expensive.

Since there may not be much water for swimming, it would make an enjoyable 
alternative. I managed to do some mountain biking last year, despite the 
relatively steep terrain and dust. It was great fun, and the dogs always enjoy 
running after the bike.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B   
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. 
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)



On Sep 7, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

> Diana,
> 
> I have a standard bike with no gearing and that might be a little tough on 
> the hills and rough stuff. I had a 7 gear Schwinn Cruiser which I donated at 
> the TCR sale the last year at Paradise Canyon.
> 
> Fritz
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Diana Tomchick [mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:44 AM
> To: Fritz Holt
> Cc: Allan B. Cobb; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
> 
> I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try 
> bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire.
> 
> Diana
> 
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Associate Professor
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> Department of Biochemistry
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214B
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
> Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> 214-645-6383 (phone)
> 214-645-6353 (fax)
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:
> 
>> Allan,
>> 
>> I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. 
>> My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain 
>> other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any 
>> ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little 
>> Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If 
>> permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to 
>> bring theirs.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Fritz Holt
>> 
>> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
>> To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
>> Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>> 
>> Howdy y'all!
>> 
>> No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas.  Flat Creek, the site 
>> of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property.  Needless to 
>> say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high.  At TCR this year, there WILL 
>> BE NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES.  Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for 
>> cooking.  Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.
>> 
>> Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very 
>> hot and can ignite grass.  DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS.  It is not really hard 
>> to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you 
>> park.
>> 
>> If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground.  Not only is this 
>> unsightly but it is also a fire hazard.
>> 
>> The grass and trees are very dry.  It will not take much to start a fire and 
>> it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.
>> 
>> TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement.  However, these rules 
>> will be STRICTLY ENFORCED!
>> 
>> We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid 
>> starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may 
>> prevent a disaster.
>> 
>> OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...
>> 
>> The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16.  Y'all are 
>> all invited to come to the fun and festivities.  There is not much water in 
>> the pond but there is some.  Let's hope we get some rain between now and 
>> then.  Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty.  Please drive 
>> slow when you are off the pavement.
>> 
>> For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit 
>> www.oztotl.com/tcr.
>> 
>> See y'all there!
>> Allan
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Diana Tomchick]

You can rent a modern mountain bike for the weekend, it's not expensive.

Since there may not be much water for swimming, it would make an enjoyable 
alternative. I managed to do some mountain biking last year, despite the 
relatively steep terrain and dust. It was great fun, and the dogs always enjoy 
running after the bike.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B   
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. 
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)



On Sep 7, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

> Diana,
> 
> I have a standard bike with no gearing and that might be a little tough on 
> the hills and rough stuff. I had a 7 gear Schwinn Cruiser which I donated at 
> the TCR sale the last year at Paradise Canyon.
> 
> Fritz
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Diana Tomchick [mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:44 AM
> To: Fritz Holt
> Cc: Allan B. Cobb; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
> 
> I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try 
> bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire.
> 
> Diana
> 
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Associate Professor
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> Department of Biochemistry
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214B
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
> Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> 214-645-6383 (phone)
> 214-645-6353 (fax)
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:
> 
>> Allan,
>> 
>> I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. 
>> My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain 
>> other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any 
>> ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little 
>> Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If 
>> permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to 
>> bring theirs.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Fritz Holt
>> 
>> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
>> To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
>> Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>> 
>> Howdy y'all!
>> 
>> No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas.  Flat Creek, the site 
>> of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property.  Needless to 
>> say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high.  At TCR this year, there WILL 
>> BE NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES.  Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for 
>> cooking.  Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.
>> 
>> Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very 
>> hot and can ignite grass.  DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS.  It is not really hard 
>> to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you 
>> park.
>> 
>> If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground.  Not only is this 
>> unsightly but it is also a fire hazard.
>> 
>> The grass and trees are very dry.  It will not take much to start a fire and 
>> it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.
>> 
>> TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement.  However, these rules 
>> will be STRICTLY ENFORCED!
>> 
>> We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid 
>> starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may 
>> prevent a disaster.
>> 
>> OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...
>> 
>> The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16.  Y'all are 
>> all invited to come to the fun and festivities.  There is not much water in 
>> the pond but there is some.  Let's hope we get some rain between now and 
>> then.  Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty.  Please drive 
>> slow when you are off the pavement.
>> 
>> For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit 
>> www.oztotl.com/tcr.
>> 
>> See y'all there!
>> Allan
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[brewskyjba]

If that's the case then eliminate all off roaring on or off trails. 
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Stefan Creaser 
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 10:05:09 
To: Mallory Mayeux
Cc: Fritz Holt; 
Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
I suggest that the only hot air generated is while sitting around with a beer 
and talking...

From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:57 AM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Allan B. Cobb; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would raise 
a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when they're off 
the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't four-wheelers cause 
the same problems?

Mallory
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick 
mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>> 
wrote:
I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try 
bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)



On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

> Allan,
>
> I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. 
> My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain 
> other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any 
> ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little 
> Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If 
> permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to 
> bring theirs.
>
> Thanks,
> Fritz Holt
>
> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com<mailto:a...@oztotl.com>]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
> To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Howdy y'all!
>
> No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas.  Flat Creek, the site 
> of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property.  Needless to 
> say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high.  At TCR this year, there WILL BE 
> NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES.  Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for 
> cooking.  Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.
>
> Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very 
> hot and can ignite grass.  DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS.  It is not really hard 
> to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you 
> park.
>
> If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground.  Not only is this 
> unsightly but it is also a fire hazard.
>
> The grass and trees are very dry.  It will not take much to start a fire and 
> it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.
>
> TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement.  However, these rules 
> will be STRICTLY ENFORCED!
>
> We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid 
> starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may 
> prevent a disaster.
>
> OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...
>
> The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16.  Y'all are all 
> invited to come to the fun and festivities.  There is not much water in the 
> pond but there is some.  Let's hope we get some rain between now and then.  
> Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty.  Please drive slow when 
> you are off the pavement.
>
> For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit 
> www.oztotl.com/tcr<http://www.oztotl.com/tcr>.
>
> See y'all there!
> Allan



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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[brewskyjba]

If that's the case then eliminate all off roaring on or off trails. 
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Stefan Creaser 
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 10:05:09 
To: Mallory Mayeux
Cc: Fritz Holt; 
Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
I suggest that the only hot air generated is while sitting around with a beer 
and talking...

From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:57 AM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Allan B. Cobb; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would raise 
a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when they're off 
the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't four-wheelers cause 
the same problems?

Mallory
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick 
mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>> 
wrote:
I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try 
bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)



On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

> Allan,
>
> I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. 
> My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain 
> other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any 
> ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little 
> Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If 
> permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to 
> bring theirs.
>
> Thanks,
> Fritz Holt
>
> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com<mailto:a...@oztotl.com>]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
> To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Howdy y'all!
>
> No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas.  Flat Creek, the site 
> of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property.  Needless to 
> say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high.  At TCR this year, there WILL BE 
> NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES.  Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for 
> cooking.  Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.
>
> Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very 
> hot and can ignite grass.  DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS.  It is not really hard 
> to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you 
> park.
>
> If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground.  Not only is this 
> unsightly but it is also a fire hazard.
>
> The grass and trees are very dry.  It will not take much to start a fire and 
> it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.
>
> TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement.  However, these rules 
> will be STRICTLY ENFORCED!
>
> We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid 
> starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may 
> prevent a disaster.
>
> OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...
>
> The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16.  Y'all are all 
> invited to come to the fun and festivities.  There is not much water in the 
> pond but there is some.  Let's hope we get some rain between now and then.  
> Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty.  Please drive slow when 
> you are off the pavement.
>
> For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit 
> www.oztotl.com/tcr<http://www.oztotl.com/tcr>.
>
> See y'all there!
> Allan



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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[brewskyjba]

If that's the case then eliminate all off roaring on or off trails. 
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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From: Stefan Creaser 
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 10:05:09 
To: Mallory Mayeux
Cc: Fritz Holt; 
Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
I suggest that the only hot air generated is while sitting around with a beer 
and talking...

From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:57 AM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Allan B. Cobb; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would raise 
a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when they're off 
the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't four-wheelers cause 
the same problems?

Mallory
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick 
mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>> 
wrote:
I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try 
bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)



On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

> Allan,
>
> I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. 
> My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain 
> other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any 
> ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little 
> Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If 
> permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to 
> bring theirs.
>
> Thanks,
> Fritz Holt
>
> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com<mailto:a...@oztotl.com>]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
> To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Howdy y'all!
>
> No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas.  Flat Creek, the site 
> of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property.  Needless to 
> say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high.  At TCR this year, there WILL BE 
> NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES.  Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for 
> cooking.  Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.
>
> Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very 
> hot and can ignite grass.  DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS.  It is not really hard 
> to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you 
> park.
>
> If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground.  Not only is this 
> unsightly but it is also a fire hazard.
>
> The grass and trees are very dry.  It will not take much to start a fire and 
> it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.
>
> TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement.  However, these rules 
> will be STRICTLY ENFORCED!
>
> We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid 
> starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may 
> prevent a disaster.
>
> OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...
>
> The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16.  Y'all are all 
> invited to come to the fun and festivities.  There is not much water in the 
> pond but there is some.  Let's hope we get some rain between now and then.  
> Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty.  Please drive slow when 
> you are off the pavement.
>
> For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit 
> www.oztotl.com/tcr<http://www.oztotl.com/tcr>.
>
> See y'all there!
> Allan



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RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Fritz Holt]

Indeed they would  --- if ridden carelessly without regard for others. I 
personally ride slowly to take in the scenery. Age is catching up to me and 
while I can still hike, there are times I would rather ride. Other cavers seem 
to enjoy riding my ATV also. I will abide by Allan's decision and rules.

Fritz


From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:57 AM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Allan B. Cobb; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would raise 
a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when they're off 
the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't four-wheelers cause 
the same problems?

Mallory
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick 
mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>> 
wrote:
I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try 
bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)



On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

> Allan,
>
> I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. 
> My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain 
> other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any 
> ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little 
> Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If 
> permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to 
> bring theirs.
>
> Thanks,
> Fritz Holt
>
> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com<mailto:a...@oztotl.com>]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
> To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Howdy y'all!
>
> No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas.  Flat Creek, the site 
> of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property.  Needless to 
> say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high.  At TCR this year, there WILL BE 
> NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES.  Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for 
> cooking.  Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.
>
> Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very 
> hot and can ignite grass.  DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS.  It is not really hard 
> to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you 
> park.
>
> If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground.  Not only is this 
> unsightly but it is also a fire hazard.
>
> The grass and trees are very dry.  It will not take much to start a fire and 
> it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.
>
> TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement.  However, these rules 
> will be STRICTLY ENFORCED!
>
> We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid 
> starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may 
> prevent a disaster.
>
> OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...
>
> The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16.  Y'all are all 
> invited to come to the fun and festivities.  There is not much water in the 
> pond but there is some.  Let's hope we get some rain between now and then.  
> Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty.  Please drive slow when 
> you are off the pavement.
>
> For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit 
> www.oztotl.com/tcr<http://www.oztotl.com/tcr>.
>
> See y'all there!
> Allan



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RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Fritz Holt]

Indeed they would  --- if ridden carelessly without regard for others. I 
personally ride slowly to take in the scenery. Age is catching up to me and 
while I can still hike, there are times I would rather ride. Other cavers seem 
to enjoy riding my ATV also. I will abide by Allan's decision and rules.

Fritz


From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:57 AM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Allan B. Cobb; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would raise 
a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when they're off 
the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't four-wheelers cause 
the same problems?

Mallory
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick 
mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>> 
wrote:
I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try 
bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)



On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

> Allan,
>
> I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. 
> My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain 
> other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any 
> ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little 
> Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If 
> permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to 
> bring theirs.
>
> Thanks,
> Fritz Holt
>
> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com<mailto:a...@oztotl.com>]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
> To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Howdy y'all!
>
> No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas.  Flat Creek, the site 
> of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property.  Needless to 
> say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high.  At TCR this year, there WILL BE 
> NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES.  Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for 
> cooking.  Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.
>
> Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very 
> hot and can ignite grass.  DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS.  It is not really hard 
> to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you 
> park.
>
> If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground.  Not only is this 
> unsightly but it is also a fire hazard.
>
> The grass and trees are very dry.  It will not take much to start a fire and 
> it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.
>
> TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement.  However, these rules 
> will be STRICTLY ENFORCED!
>
> We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid 
> starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may 
> prevent a disaster.
>
> OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...
>
> The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16.  Y'all are all 
> invited to come to the fun and festivities.  There is not much water in the 
> pond but there is some.  Let's hope we get some rain between now and then.  
> Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty.  Please drive slow when 
> you are off the pavement.
>
> For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit 
> www.oztotl.com/tcr<http://www.oztotl.com/tcr>.
>
> See y'all there!
> Allan



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RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Fritz Holt]

Indeed they would  --- if ridden carelessly without regard for others. I 
personally ride slowly to take in the scenery. Age is catching up to me and 
while I can still hike, there are times I would rather ride. Other cavers seem 
to enjoy riding my ATV also. I will abide by Allan's decision and rules.

Fritz


From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:57 AM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Allan B. Cobb; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would raise 
a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when they're off 
the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't four-wheelers cause 
the same problems?

Mallory
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick 
mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>> 
wrote:
I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try 
bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)



On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

> Allan,
>
> I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. 
> My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain 
> other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any 
> ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little 
> Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If 
> permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to 
> bring theirs.
>
> Thanks,
> Fritz Holt
>
> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com<mailto:a...@oztotl.com>]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
> To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Howdy y'all!
>
> No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas.  Flat Creek, the site 
> of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property.  Needless to 
> say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high.  At TCR this year, there WILL BE 
> NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES.  Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for 
> cooking.  Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.
>
> Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very 
> hot and can ignite grass.  DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS.  It is not really hard 
> to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you 
> park.
>
> If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground.  Not only is this 
> unsightly but it is also a fire hazard.
>
> The grass and trees are very dry.  It will not take much to start a fire and 
> it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.
>
> TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement.  However, these rules 
> will be STRICTLY ENFORCED!
>
> We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid 
> starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may 
> prevent a disaster.
>
> OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...
>
> The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16.  Y'all are all 
> invited to come to the fun and festivities.  There is not much water in the 
> pond but there is some.  Let's hope we get some rain between now and then.  
> Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty.  Please drive slow when 
> you are off the pavement.
>
> For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit 
> www.oztotl.com/tcr<http://www.oztotl.com/tcr>.
>
> See y'all there!
> Allan



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RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Stefan Creaser]

I suggest that the only hot air generated is while sitting around with a beer 
and talking...

From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:57 AM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Allan B. Cobb; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would raise 
a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when they're off 
the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't four-wheelers cause 
the same problems?

Mallory
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick 
mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>> 
wrote:
I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try 
bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)



On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

> Allan,
>
> I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. 
> My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain 
> other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any 
> ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little 
> Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If 
> permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to 
> bring theirs.
>
> Thanks,
> Fritz Holt
>
> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com<mailto:a...@oztotl.com>]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
> To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Howdy y'all!
>
> No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas.  Flat Creek, the site 
> of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property.  Needless to 
> say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high.  At TCR this year, there WILL BE 
> NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES.  Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for 
> cooking.  Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.
>
> Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very 
> hot and can ignite grass.  DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS.  It is not really hard 
> to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you 
> park.
>
> If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground.  Not only is this 
> unsightly but it is also a fire hazard.
>
> The grass and trees are very dry.  It will not take much to start a fire and 
> it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.
>
> TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement.  However, these rules 
> will be STRICTLY ENFORCED!
>
> We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid 
> starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may 
> prevent a disaster.
>
> OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...
>
> The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16.  Y'all are all 
> invited to come to the fun and festivities.  There is not much water in the 
> pond but there is some.  Let's hope we get some rain between now and then.  
> Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty.  Please drive slow when 
> you are off the pavement.
>
> For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit 
> www.oztotl.com/tcr<http://www.oztotl.com/tcr>.
>
> See y'all there!
> Allan



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RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Stefan Creaser]

I suggest that the only hot air generated is while sitting around with a beer 
and talking...

From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:57 AM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Allan B. Cobb; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would raise 
a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when they're off 
the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't four-wheelers cause 
the same problems?

Mallory
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick 
mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>> 
wrote:
I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try 
bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)



On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

> Allan,
>
> I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. 
> My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain 
> other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any 
> ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little 
> Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If 
> permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to 
> bring theirs.
>
> Thanks,
> Fritz Holt
>
> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com<mailto:a...@oztotl.com>]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
> To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Howdy y'all!
>
> No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas.  Flat Creek, the site 
> of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property.  Needless to 
> say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high.  At TCR this year, there WILL BE 
> NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES.  Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for 
> cooking.  Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.
>
> Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very 
> hot and can ignite grass.  DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS.  It is not really hard 
> to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you 
> park.
>
> If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground.  Not only is this 
> unsightly but it is also a fire hazard.
>
> The grass and trees are very dry.  It will not take much to start a fire and 
> it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.
>
> TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement.  However, these rules 
> will be STRICTLY ENFORCED!
>
> We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid 
> starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may 
> prevent a disaster.
>
> OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...
>
> The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16.  Y'all are all 
> invited to come to the fun and festivities.  There is not much water in the 
> pond but there is some.  Let's hope we get some rain between now and then.  
> Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty.  Please drive slow when 
> you are off the pavement.
>
> For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit 
> www.oztotl.com/tcr<http://www.oztotl.com/tcr>.
>
> See y'all there!
> Allan



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RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Stefan Creaser]

I suggest that the only hot air generated is while sitting around with a beer 
and talking...

From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:57 AM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Allan B. Cobb; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would raise 
a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when they're off 
the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't four-wheelers cause 
the same problems?

Mallory
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick 
mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>> 
wrote:
I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try 
bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)



On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

> Allan,
>
> I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. 
> My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain 
> other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any 
> ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little 
> Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If 
> permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to 
> bring theirs.
>
> Thanks,
> Fritz Holt
>
> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com<mailto:a...@oztotl.com>]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
> To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Howdy y'all!
>
> No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas.  Flat Creek, the site 
> of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property.  Needless to 
> say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high.  At TCR this year, there WILL BE 
> NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES.  Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for 
> cooking.  Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.
>
> Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very 
> hot and can ignite grass.  DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS.  It is not really hard 
> to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you 
> park.
>
> If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground.  Not only is this 
> unsightly but it is also a fire hazard.
>
> The grass and trees are very dry.  It will not take much to start a fire and 
> it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.
>
> TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement.  However, these rules 
> will be STRICTLY ENFORCED!
>
> We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid 
> starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may 
> prevent a disaster.
>
> OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...
>
> The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16.  Y'all are all 
> invited to come to the fun and festivities.  There is not much water in the 
> pond but there is some.  Let's hope we get some rain between now and then.  
> Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty.  Please drive slow when 
> you are off the pavement.
>
> For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit 
> www.oztotl.com/tcr<http://www.oztotl.com/tcr>.
>
> See y'all there!
> Allan



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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Mallory Mayeux]

Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would
raise a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when
they're off the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't
four-wheelers cause the same problems?

Mallory

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick <
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu> wrote:

> I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you
> try bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire.
>
> Diana
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Associate Professor
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> Department of Biochemistry
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214B
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
> Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> 214-645-6383 (phone)
> 214-645-6353 (fax)
>
>
>
> On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:
>
> > Allan,
> >
> > I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500
> acres. My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don’t remember much about the
> terrain other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are
> there any ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV’s may be ridden?
> My little Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit
> sparks. If permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also
> want to bring theirs.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Fritz Holt
> >
> > From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
> > To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> > Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
> >
> > Howdy y’all!
> >
> > No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas.  Flat Creek, the
> site of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property.  Needless
> to say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high.  At TCR this year, there
> WILL BE NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES.  Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill
> for cooking.  Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.
> >
> > Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get
> very hot and can ignite grass.  DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS.  It is not really
> hard to avoid tall grass as there really isn’t much but do be aware of where
> you park.
> >
> > If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground.  Not only is this
> unsightly but it is also a fire hazard.
> >
> > The grass and trees are very dry.  It will not take much to start a fire
> and it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.
> >
> > TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement.  However, these rules
> will be STRICTLY ENFORCED!
> >
> > We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid
> starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may
> prevent a disaster.
> >
> > OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...
> >
> > The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16.  Y’all are
> all invited to come to the fun and festivities.  There is not much water in
> the pond but there is some.  Let’s hope we get some rain between now and
> then.  Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty.  Please drive
> slow when you are off the pavement.
> >
> > For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit
> www.oztotl.com/tcr.
> >
> > See y’all there!
> > Allan
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Mallory Mayeux]

Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would
raise a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when
they're off the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't
four-wheelers cause the same problems?

Mallory

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick <
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu> wrote:

> I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you
> try bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire.
>
> Diana
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Associate Professor
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> Department of Biochemistry
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214B
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
> Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> 214-645-6383 (phone)
> 214-645-6353 (fax)
>
>
>
> On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:
>
> > Allan,
> >
> > I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500
> acres. My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don’t remember much about the
> terrain other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are
> there any ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV’s may be ridden?
> My little Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit
> sparks. If permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also
> want to bring theirs.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Fritz Holt
> >
> > From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
> > To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> > Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
> >
> > Howdy y’all!
> >
> > No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas.  Flat Creek, the
> site of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property.  Needless
> to say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high.  At TCR this year, there
> WILL BE NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES.  Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill
> for cooking.  Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.
> >
> > Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get
> very hot and can ignite grass.  DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS.  It is not really
> hard to avoid tall grass as there really isn’t much but do be aware of where
> you park.
> >
> > If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground.  Not only is this
> unsightly but it is also a fire hazard.
> >
> > The grass and trees are very dry.  It will not take much to start a fire
> and it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.
> >
> > TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement.  However, these rules
> will be STRICTLY ENFORCED!
> >
> > We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid
> starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may
> prevent a disaster.
> >
> > OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...
> >
> > The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16.  Y’all are
> all invited to come to the fun and festivities.  There is not much water in
> the pond but there is some.  Let’s hope we get some rain between now and
> then.  Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty.  Please drive
> slow when you are off the pavement.
> >
> > For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit
> www.oztotl.com/tcr.
> >
> > See y’all there!
> > Allan
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Mallory Mayeux]

Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would
raise a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when
they're off the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't
four-wheelers cause the same problems?

Mallory

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick <
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu> wrote:

> I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you
> try bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire.
>
> Diana
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Associate Professor
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> Department of Biochemistry
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214B
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
> Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> 214-645-6383 (phone)
> 214-645-6353 (fax)
>
>
>
> On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:
>
> > Allan,
> >
> > I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500
> acres. My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don’t remember much about the
> terrain other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are
> there any ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV’s may be ridden?
> My little Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit
> sparks. If permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also
> want to bring theirs.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Fritz Holt
> >
> > From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
> > To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> > Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
> >
> > Howdy y’all!
> >
> > No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas.  Flat Creek, the
> site of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property.  Needless
> to say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high.  At TCR this year, there
> WILL BE NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES.  Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill
> for cooking.  Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.
> >
> > Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get
> very hot and can ignite grass.  DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS.  It is not really
> hard to avoid tall grass as there really isn’t much but do be aware of where
> you park.
> >
> > If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground.  Not only is this
> unsightly but it is also a fire hazard.
> >
> > The grass and trees are very dry.  It will not take much to start a fire
> and it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.
> >
> > TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement.  However, these rules
> will be STRICTLY ENFORCED!
> >
> > We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid
> starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may
> prevent a disaster.
> >
> > OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...
> >
> > The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16.  Y’all are
> all invited to come to the fun and festivities.  There is not much water in
> the pond but there is some.  Let’s hope we get some rain between now and
> then.  Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty.  Please drive
> slow when you are off the pavement.
> >
> > For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit
> www.oztotl.com/tcr.
> >
> > See y’all there!
> > Allan
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Diana Tomchick]

I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try 
bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)



On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

> Allan,
>
> I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. 
> My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don’t remember much about the terrain 
> other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any 
> ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV’s may be ridden? My little 
> Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If 
> permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to 
> bring theirs.
>
> Thanks,
> Fritz Holt
>
> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
> To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Howdy y’all!
>
> No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas.  Flat Creek, the site 
> of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property.  Needless to 
> say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high.  At TCR this year, there WILL BE 
> NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES.  Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for 
> cooking.  Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.
>
> Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very 
> hot and can ignite grass.  DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS.  It is not really hard 
> to avoid tall grass as there really isn’t much but do be aware of where you 
> park.
>
> If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground.  Not only is this 
> unsightly but it is also a fire hazard.
>
> The grass and trees are very dry.  It will not take much to start a fire and 
> it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.
>
> TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement.  However, these rules 
> will be STRICTLY ENFORCED!
>
> We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid 
> starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may 
> prevent a disaster.
>
> OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...
>
> The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16.  Y’all are all 
> invited to come to the fun and festivities.  There is not much water in the 
> pond but there is some.  Let’s hope we get some rain between now and then.  
> Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty.  Please drive slow when 
> you are off the pavement.
>
> For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit 
> www.oztotl.com/tcr.
>
> See y’all there!
> Allan




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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Diana Tomchick]

I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try 
bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)



On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

> Allan,
>
> I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. 
> My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don’t remember much about the terrain 
> other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any 
> ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV’s may be ridden? My little 
> Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If 
> permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to 
> bring theirs.
>
> Thanks,
> Fritz Holt
>
> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
> To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Howdy y’all!
>
> No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas.  Flat Creek, the site 
> of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property.  Needless to 
> say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high.  At TCR this year, there WILL BE 
> NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES.  Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for 
> cooking.  Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.
>
> Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very 
> hot and can ignite grass.  DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS.  It is not really hard 
> to avoid tall grass as there really isn’t much but do be aware of where you 
> park.
>
> If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground.  Not only is this 
> unsightly but it is also a fire hazard.
>
> The grass and trees are very dry.  It will not take much to start a fire and 
> it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.
>
> TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement.  However, these rules 
> will be STRICTLY ENFORCED!
>
> We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid 
> starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may 
> prevent a disaster.
>
> OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...
>
> The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16.  Y’all are all 
> invited to come to the fun and festivities.  There is not much water in the 
> pond but there is some.  Let’s hope we get some rain between now and then.  
> Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty.  Please drive slow when 
> you are off the pavement.
>
> For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit 
> www.oztotl.com/tcr.
>
> See y’all there!
> Allan




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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Diana Tomchick]

I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try 
bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire.

Diana

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On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

> Allan,
>
> I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. 
> My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don’t remember much about the terrain 
> other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any 
> ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV’s may be ridden? My little 
> Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If 
> permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to 
> bring theirs.
>
> Thanks,
> Fritz Holt
>
> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
> To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Howdy y’all!
>
> No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas.  Flat Creek, the site 
> of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property.  Needless to 
> say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high.  At TCR this year, there WILL BE 
> NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES.  Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for 
> cooking.  Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.
>
> Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very 
> hot and can ignite grass.  DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS.  It is not really hard 
> to avoid tall grass as there really isn’t much but do be aware of where you 
> park.
>
> If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground.  Not only is this 
> unsightly but it is also a fire hazard.
>
> The grass and trees are very dry.  It will not take much to start a fire and 
> it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.
>
> TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement.  However, these rules 
> will be STRICTLY ENFORCED!
>
> We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid 
> starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may 
> prevent a disaster.
>
> OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...
>
> The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16.  Y’all are all 
> invited to come to the fun and festivities.  There is not much water in the 
> pond but there is some.  Let’s hope we get some rain between now and then.  
> Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty.  Please drive slow when 
> you are off the pavement.
>
> For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit 
> www.oztotl.com/tcr.
>
> See y’all there!
> Allan




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RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Fritz Holt]

Allan,

I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. My 
first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain other 
than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any ranch 
roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little Honda 
250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If permitted, 
I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to bring theirs.

Thanks,
Fritz Holt


From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Howdy y'all!

No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas.  Flat Creek, the site of 
the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property.  Needless to say, 
Texas is dry and fire dangers are high.  At TCR this year, there WILL BE NO 
FIRES AT CAMP SITES.  Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for cooking.  
Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.

Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very hot 
and can ignite grass.  DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS.  It is not really hard to 
avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you park.

If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground.  Not only is this unsightly 
but it is also a fire hazard.

The grass and trees are very dry.  It will not take much to start a fire and it 
can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.

TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement.  However, these rules will 
be STRICTLY ENFORCED!

We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid 
starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may prevent 
a disaster.

OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...

The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16.  Y'all are all 
invited to come to the fun and festivities.  There is not much water in the 
pond but there is some.  Let's hope we get some rain between now and then.  
Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty.  Please drive slow when 
you are off the pavement.

For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit 
www.oztotl.com/tcr.

See y'all there!
Allan

RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Fritz Holt]

Allan,

I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. My 
first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain other 
than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any ranch 
roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little Honda 
250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If permitted, 
I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to bring theirs.

Thanks,
Fritz Holt


From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Howdy y'all!

No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas.  Flat Creek, the site of 
the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property.  Needless to say, 
Texas is dry and fire dangers are high.  At TCR this year, there WILL BE NO 
FIRES AT CAMP SITES.  Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for cooking.  
Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.

Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very hot 
and can ignite grass.  DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS.  It is not really hard to 
avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you park.

If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground.  Not only is this unsightly 
but it is also a fire hazard.

The grass and trees are very dry.  It will not take much to start a fire and it 
can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.

TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement.  However, these rules will 
be STRICTLY ENFORCED!

We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid 
starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may prevent 
a disaster.

OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...

The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16.  Y'all are all 
invited to come to the fun and festivities.  There is not much water in the 
pond but there is some.  Let's hope we get some rain between now and then.  
Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty.  Please drive slow when 
you are off the pavement.

For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit 
www.oztotl.com/tcr.

See y'all there!
Allan

RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

[Fritz Holt]

Allan,

I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. My 
first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain other 
than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any ranch 
roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little Honda 
250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If permitted, 
I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to bring theirs.

Thanks,
Fritz Holt


From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!

Howdy y'all!

No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas.  Flat Creek, the site of 
the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property.  Needless to say, 
Texas is dry and fire dangers are high.  At TCR this year, there WILL BE NO 
FIRES AT CAMP SITES.  Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for cooking.  
Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.

Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very hot 
and can ignite grass.  DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS.  It is not really hard to 
avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you park.

If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground.  Not only is this unsightly 
but it is also a fire hazard.

The grass and trees are very dry.  It will not take much to start a fire and it 
can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.

TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement.  However, these rules will 
be STRICTLY ENFORCED!

We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid 
starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may prevent 
a disaster.

OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...

The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16.  Y'all are all 
invited to come to the fun and festivities.  There is not much water in the 
pond but there is some.  Let's hope we get some rain between now and then.  
Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty.  Please drive slow when 
you are off the pavement.

For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit 
www.oztotl.com/tcr.

See y'all there!
Allan