Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Vayira]

I've been very happy using waterfox classic as a browser. It is based
on the older firefox code and runs the TiddlyFox extension quite
happily. It also has the advantage of running other extensions that
died when firefox changed such as Tab Mix Plus, which I really missed
when Firefox forcibly removed it from my browser. This doesn't require
installing anything else in the least bit techie to keep your
tiddlywikis alive.

I have two fallbacks in case I loose that option in the future. One is
tiddly desktop, but it doesn't really fit with the way I use TW. I
need it to be in a browser tab. The other is MainTiddlyServer, but
that requires having php installed and running. I discovered I can use
php's internal server & don't need apache and all the security issues
it could create. Installing php isn't so hard.


On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 10:40, Boaz Nash  wrote:
>
> Thank you for the response, Yakov.
>
> I have created an issue:
> https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi/issues/40
>
> Best regards,
> Boaz
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 7:30 AM Yakov  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Boaz,
>>
>>> I have been saving tiddlywiki changes using timimi for awhile now and it's 
>>> been working great.
>>> Unfortunately, I just updated my MacOS to Catalina, and now when I try to 
>>> save in Firefox, I get the error message
>>> ""timimi" cannot be opened because the developer cannot be verified".
>>> I tried to override this security issue, but I can't seem to figure out how 
>>> to do so.
>>
>>
>> this is not nice indeed. Would you mind opening an issue on Github?
>> Do you remember what version of MacOS did you have before that update? And 
>> what version of Firefox you have now? (the problem took place when you only 
>> updated MacOS, not Firefox, did it?)
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Yakov.
>>
>>> Advice would be appreciated.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Boaz
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 9:58 AM Yakov  wrote:

 Hi Alex,

> I just tried Timimi. Though installation seemed to work (got the "Hello 
> there
> / Have a great day" message) I still get an error message when I try to 
> save
> changes to a TW file.
>
> I removed all other TW related plugins to make sure there weren't any
> conflicts, but no luck.
>
> Maybe I'm doing this wrong though... how do you save? I'm trying to use 
> the
> usual "save changes" links under Admin Tools, should I use something else?


 Hm, have you installed both the browser extension and the native app? The 
 extension page tells to check out installation details in the docs but I 
 guess one may miss the main point (the necessity to install an app besides 
 the extension) since they have to find the installation guide and follow 
 the additional step from there (download the installer for their paltform 
 from releases and launch it). Please let me know if that helps; I'll 
 probably propose some changes to improve this aspect anyway.

> Oh and Yakov, BTW, I tried to post about my saving issues on the TWC list 
> back
> in December, but my mail did not go through because the list is set up as 
> a
> forum rather than a mailing-list.


 Oh, sorry to hear that. I'm not quite sure what's the difference (I always 
 thought that Google Groups are both), but if I can help you somehow, let 
 me know. (have you tried to use it as a forum? is that of very poor user 
 experience for you for some reason?)

 Best regards,
 Yakov.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Vayira]

Hi Tony I just looked for TW-Reciever and found it on github. It doesn't
say there if it will work with TW classic. Do you know?


On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 20:25, TonyM  wrote:

> Alex,
>
> That's good, I just know that has being the mistake of many.
>
> Please consider starting a new thread on this problem because it is
> clearly and exception to the old TiddlyFox problems.
>
> You may find it useful if you have not already to start with a fresh
> tiddlywiki and see if you can experience the almost seamless use of Timimi,
> or move to one of a number of node solutions, or TW-Reciever on php. Once
> you have experienced the "Modern" you will have a better understanding and
> it will be easier to address a specific wiki failing to save.
>
> Portableapps.com has a portable firefox if the problem could be in your
> install of firefox.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 10:04:56 AM UTC+11, Alex S. Garcia wrote:
>>
>> > "save changes" links under Admin Tools must be within TiddlyWiki not
>> > Browser menus!
>>
>> Browser menus? I have no idea what you're talking about.
>>
>> Admin Tools is in the right-side menu within TiddlyWiki.
>>
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

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I'm experimenting with MainTiddlyServer as an option as it will never
depend on browsers & extensions etc and works locally and remotely with a
single 70k file. https://yakovl.github.io/MainTiddlyServer/index.html
It works like a dream on my remote server. On my local server I got 2 kinds
of error messages, but because I understand php I was able to fix them.
They didn't affect functionality however.

To run it locally you need php installed. I've opted for installing php
alone & using its internal server so that I don't need to run apache.

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 14:09, Alex S. Garcia  wrote:

> >- yes, Timimi works with it in modern FireFox (with several minor
> >issues, but generally it works even better than TiddlyFox)
>
> I just tried Timimi. Though installation seemed to work (got the "Hello
> there
> / Have a great day" message) I still get an error message when I try to
> save
> changes to a TW file.
>
> I removed all other TW related plugins to make sure there weren't any
> conflicts, but no luck.
>
> Maybe I'm doing this wrong though... how do you save? I'm trying to use
> the
> usual "save changes" links under Admin Tools, should I use something else?
>
> Oh and Yakov, BTW, I tried to post about my saving issues on the TWC list
> back
> in December, but my mail did not go through because the list is set up as
> a
> forum rather than a mailing-list.
>
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Vayira]

Does timimi work with TW classic or only TW5?

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 at 00:17, Birthe C  wrote:

> Alex,
>
> Please do not give up before trying Timimi. Look here for the extra step
> needed https://ibnishak.github.io/Timimi/#Installing%20Timimi
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Vayira]

Because TiddlyDesktop is not a browser and the having TW in a browser tab
is so useful.

On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 10:36, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
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> I can understand that fans of FF want to continue using FF. But if you're
> on a desktop, and having to use Beaker, Waterfox, or an old version of FF,
> why not just use TiddlyDesktop ?
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 2:33:51 AM UTC-7, Norm Davis wrote:
>>
>>
>> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is going
>> sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new Firefox
>> 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a new
>> extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.
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Re: [tw] Re: Does tiddlyspot work with TW 5 ?

[Vayira]

Hey. That's cool. I'll use that next time.

On 7 January 2018 at 14:15, Birthe C  wrote:

> Hi Mat,
>
> Perfect, but even better if upgraded to latest version. That would save
> even more time.
>
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Re: [tw] Re: Does tiddlyspot work with TW 5 ?

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Thanks for confirming that. I'd more or less decided that must be what was
happening.

On 2 January 2018 at 13:07, BurningTreeC 
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> Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2018 14:59:40 UTC+1 schrieb vayira:
>>
>> I've now tried with Ffox, Chrome & Tiddlydesktop but nothing gets
>> uploaded.
>>
>> I put in the password etc in the local file & hit the save button. A
>> message "starting to save tw" comes up & that's it.
>>
>> Have I understood it right in thinking the tw should be saved both
>> locally on my drive & remotely on the server?
>>
>
> Hi, vayira
> if the  "Wiki Name" field is NOT EMPTY and you hit the save-wiki button,
> then it gets uploaded.
> if the field is empty then it saves locally.
> It doesn't do both at the same time
>
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Re: [tw] Re: Does tiddlyspot work with TW 5 ?

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Ah it has uploaded now. I hadn't anticipated that it would be so slow. I'm
not sure which way of uploading worked, but Tiddlydesktop seems to be most
reliable.

On 2 January 2018 at 09:58, Vayira  wrote:

> I've now tried with Ffox, Chrome & Tiddlydesktop but nothing gets
> uploaded.
>
> I put in the password etc in the local file & hit the save button. A
> message "starting to save tw" comes up & that's it.
>
> Have I understood it right in thinking the tw should be saved both locally
> on my drive & remotely on the server?
>
>
>
> On 1 January 2018 at 19:44, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
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>
>> Be sure to use Chrome the first time you upload (after that you can use
>> FF).
>>
>> -- Mark
>>
>> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 1:42:25 PM UTC-8, vayira wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm creating a TW which I've like to make available online. I have
>>> opened a tiddlyspot account, have put the password into the tiddlyspot
>>> option on the ControlPanel but it isn't clear to me how to get the TW to
>>> save there rather than locally. Does anyone know if it works with TW 5 ?
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Re: [tw] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

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The bloat is to do with file size. The TW 2.8.1 with 294 tiddlers that I
have built up over years takes up only 585k, but an empty TW 5.1 uses 2M.
So I'm not going to migrate my day to day TW at all, but I am experimenting
with it for a new project, which I was thinking of putting online, but over
2M makes it very slow to download. It is cool to use, but is a huge file.

On 25 December 2017 at 00:01, TonyM  wrote:

> Fyi
>
> No bloat in tw5 in my view,
>
> I maintain my twc in TiddlyDesktop and links open in the default browser.
>
> Rather than upgrade I am moving from a monolithic twc to multiple tw5s
> with a high degree of intergration. The tw5 wikis run in the latest FF with
> local host or IP address using TiddlyServer as host and directory to file
> and node JS implementations with no saving issues.
>
> In tw5 there are many features you needed plugins for in twc now in the
> core, there is also much more customisation in an empty tw5 than twc with
> plugins.
>
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Re: [tw] Re: Does tiddlyspot work with TW 5 ?

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I've now tried with Ffox, Chrome & Tiddlydesktop but nothing gets uploaded.

I put in the password etc in the local file & hit the save button. A
message "starting to save tw" comes up & that's it.

Have I understood it right in thinking the tw should be saved both locally
on my drive & remotely on the server?



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> Be sure to use Chrome the first time you upload (after that you can use
> FF).
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 1:42:25 PM UTC-8, vayira wrote:
>>
>> I'm creating a TW which I've like to make available online. I have opened
>> a tiddlyspot account, have put the password into the tiddlyspot option on
>> the ControlPanel but it isn't clear to me how to get the TW to save there
>> rather than locally. Does anyone know if it works with TW 5 ?
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[tw] Does tiddlyspot work with TW 5 ?

[vayira]

I'm creating a TW which I've like to make available online. I have opened a 
tiddlyspot account, have put the password into the tiddlyspot option on the 
ControlPanel but it isn't clear to me how to get the TW to save there 
rather than locally. Does anyone know if it works with TW 5 ? 

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Re: [tw] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Vayira]

But dropbox is just a folder on all my hard drives so I don't need a
special app or anything to use it. Been doing it for years. The only issue
that concerns me is if save stops working in my browser.

On 24 December 2017 at 12:04, Birthe C  wrote:

> I think you will like https://twcloud.github.io/dropbox/# You can read
> about that and all the opther saving options here https://tiddlywiki.com/#
> GettingStarted.
>
> Birthe
>
> Den søndag den 24. december 2017 kl. 16.13.01 UTC+1 skrev vayira:
>>
>> Thanks Tony.
>>
>>  keep my TW on dropbox so having to use the download directory isn't very
>> good.
>>
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[tw] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[vayira]

Thanks Tony. 

I've downloaded TiddlyDesktop-linux64-v0.0.9 in case it's needed but I'd 
rather have TW in my main browser because I have a lot of external links in 
the wiki. I kind of use it instead of bookmarks. 

My experiences of upgrades & "improvements" is that 90% of it is bloat & 
those features which I liked so much are no more so I'm hyper conservative 
about upgrading. Almost never do I feel my experience is improved. 

Where can I get info about TiddlySaver? 
I can find *savetiddlers - Browser plugin* but it looks basic. I keep my TW 
on dropbox so having to use the download directory isn't very good. 



On Saturday, 23 December 2017 19:43:35 UTC-4, TonyM wrote:
>
>  
>
>> Vayira,
>>
>
> If you keep putting off the inevitable need to upgrade you may very well 
> face problems sooner or later. There is however plenty of options available 
> now, some which have considerable advantages. 
>
> With all due respect Schedule some time in for some maintenance and 
> learning, this is needed every decade or so :)
>
> Of course it can vary by operating system.
>
> I would recommend TiddlyDesktop to handle both classic and TW5 on one 
> computer. TiddlySaver or Marios Saver with backup are great options as 
> well. I use TiddlyServer for access to File and NodeJS versions from the 
> LAN, and other network devices.
>
> I am investigating the beaker browser version but it is a little on the 
> beta side.
>
> Best wishes
> Tony
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[tw] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[vayira]

Somehow FFox updated itself to 55.0.2 which seems to be the latest version 
for linux mint. 

TW saving stopped working but I imported to classic version 2.8.1 and 
tiddly fox started working again which I'm very happy about. 

I was expecting to have more problems. 

Can I expect to have problems saving again in the near future? 

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[tw] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[vayira]

Yes. I downloaded the latest version of the classic TW yesterday to check 
it out. At least that gives the option of download type saving on any 
browser in case of emergency. When I have time i'll try to import my 
tiddlers to that. I'm also thinking of trying waterfox, as I'm very used to 
a number of extensions for FF. Such a waste of time all this :-( I have 
other things to do. 

On Saturday, 2 December 2017 00:48:28 UTC-4, TonyM wrote:
>
> Vayira;
>
> Try TiddlyDesktop first, but also consider Getting a Portable Firefox ESR 
> V 52
>
> There are a lot of solutions available and looking in this forum will 
> help, however having a version which is a few steps behind even TWC 
> (classic) could be an issue, have a go at upgrading (a copy)
>
> Otherwise post in the forum for help.
>
> Regards
> Tony 
>
> On Saturday, 2 December 2017 13:46:02 UTC+11, vayira wrote:
>>
>> I'm glad I ignored FF's messages about upgrading. I've been using TW 
>> classic for so long I can't remember & I run my life from it. But I'm not 
>> sure what to do now. 
>>
>> If I upgrade FF then I'll loose autosave by the looks of things. But will 
>> I be able to save at all? I'm using TiddlyWiki (clasic) 2.6.6 
>>
>> My heart always sinks when I see my favourite software has been 
>> "improved". 
>>
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[tw] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[vayira]

I'm glad I ignored FF's messages about upgrading. I've been using TW 
classic for so long I can't remember & I run my life from it. But I'm not 
sure what to do now. *TiddlyWiki  (clasic 
) 2.6.6*

If I upgrade FF then I'll loose autosave by the looks of things. But will I 
be able to save at all? I'm using TiddlyWiki (clasic) 2.6.6 

My heart always sinks when I see my favourite software has been "improved". 

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[tw] TW5 no backups?

[vayira]

Hi! I've used TW for many years it feels like part of my hand but my 
version is an older simpler one (ver 2?) I've been looking at ver5 but it 
doesn't seem to have an auto backup on save option. Is that correct? 

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki on Android

[vayira]

I've just installed AndTidWiki it works very well for everything. Other 
browsers didn't work for edit for me. 

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[tw] Re: Can't import

[vayira]

Ok I've done it by copying & pasting into the storeArea 

It seemed to sort itself out fine after I've done that. Can save again now. 
Phew!! 

Is that firefox extension going to have long term support? Will Tw ever 
work in Chrome? 

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[tw] Can't import

[vayira]

Firefox 17.0.1on debian stable 
T.wiki to import *from* 2.1.3 
T.wiki to import *into* 2.6.6

I just get the message "Opening the workspace" and nothing happens

I have a lot of info in the wiki (333k)

Need to do this because my Ffox just upgraded itself & won't save. 
Installed tiddlyfox which works with 2.6.6 but not with 2.1.3 which is 
where all my info is. 

Any suggestions? 



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Re: [tw] Re: Got it working in Chrome

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Does anyone have TW in Chrome? 

In debian I tried both these...

chromium-browser %U --enable-file-cookies --allow-file-access-from-files

google-chrome %U --enable-file-cookies --allow-file-access-from-files

for some reason the 2nd command said I need to install Java, but it is 
installed anyway. 

Puts me off chrome. 

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