Re: [TV orNotTV] LiLo On Dave
I'll take your points, but, to me, it just felt exploitative and unpleasant. She has enough problems that she doesn't need to be flying cross-country to do a talk show. --Dave Sikula On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:16:28 PM UTC-7, PGage wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Dave Sikula dsi...@yahoo.comjavascript: wrote: If I may be the voice of negativity, I'd like to say I thought the whole thing was a train wreck. I'll stipulate both that CBS and WWP are in business to draw viewers and make money and that Lohan has no obligation to air her problems publicly. That said, what was the point of this booking, other than to let America gawp at the junkie? Lohan was a moderately-talented teen actor who has fallen victim to myriad demons. If she was unprepared to talk about her problems (and let me repeat there was no necessity to do so), what did she think she was there for? To promote that pile-of-steaming-crap movie? If Dave wanted to help her, he was out of his depth, as more-skilled professionals than he have failed, numerous times. I truly feel sorry for Lohan, and think she'd be best served by getting out of show business and trying to put her life together. The panel last night did nothing in that direction. I basically ignored it and thought twenty minutes of dead air would have been more enlightening. Well, lets define our terms a little bit here. I don't think anyone is really suggesting that Dave can, or was even trying, to help her in some mental health sense. They joked about him sounding like Dr. Phil, but it was, after all, just a joke. What I mean by him helping her, and I think that is what others have meant to, is in renewing her public image or persona. He could have ridiculed her and blown her out of the water - and if she had acted a bit differently than she did, I might have felt like she deserved it. Instead he helped her address the issue more than she seemed to want to, engage in some moments that approached honesty, and then acknowledged for having the guts to show up knowing that she has been the butt of many of his jokes, knowing that he would probably be persistant in bringing up her difficulties, and hanging in there with him. And he gave her what amounted to fatherly advice (which she basically asked him for) - that the best revenge she could get against the people who really wish her ill is to get better and live well. She is an actress (I don't know how good she is), so maybe her tears were fake, but I thought it was understated enough that if Dave had not drawn attention to it many would not have noticed, so that made me think they were genuine. Anyone who thinks a person can solve their substance abuse or mental health problems by talking to someone for 30 minutes on a television program has no idea what is involved in dealing with such issues, so I think that is not even on the table here. But before last night's show I would have put Lohan somewhere at the Khardasian/Paris Hilton end of the scale, and now I would move her up several notches. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] LiLo On Dave
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:04 PM, Dave Sikula dsik...@yahoo.com wrote: I'll take your points, but, to me, it just felt exploitative and unpleasant. She has enough problems that she doesn't need to be flying cross-country to do a talk show. Well, nobody NEEDS to do a talk show. I think your comment about exploitation is fair, but I think Lohan benefited from the appearance regardless. -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] LiLo On Dave
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:04 PM, Dave Sikula dsik...@yahoo.com wrote: I'll take your points, but, to me, it just felt exploitative and unpleasant. She has enough problems that she doesn't need to be flying cross-country to do a talk show. Well, I agree with that last sentence. If she were my daughter I would certainly be encouraging her to take a break from the media spotlight and commit herself 100% to getting well. I don't think there is much question about that. I doubt that Dave would have bashed her if she took that approach. But since she is not taking that approach, is making ridiculously bad films and tv shows and then going around the country promoting them, I think he would have bashed her had she only gone on outlets that would let her ignore her issues, or had not made fun of her. Given that she stepped up and did his show and took it, I think she came off looking about as good as she possibly could. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] LiLo On Dave
I think she's contractually obligated to promote her film. Also, if what has been said is true, she's moved to New York primarily. That's why her rehab is being done in New York State and not California. On 4/11/13, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:04 PM, Dave Sikula dsik...@yahoo.com wrote: I'll take your points, but, to me, it just felt exploitative and unpleasant. She has enough problems that she doesn't need to be flying cross-country to do a talk show. Well, I agree with that last sentence. If she were my daughter I would certainly be encouraging her to take a break from the media spotlight and commit herself 100% to getting well. I don't think there is much question about that. I doubt that Dave would have bashed her if she took that approach. But since she is not taking that approach, is making ridiculously bad films and tv shows and then going around the country promoting them, I think he would have bashed her had she only gone on outlets that would let her ignore her issues, or had not made fun of her. Given that she stepped up and did his show and took it, I think she came off looking about as good as she possibly could. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- +++ Joe Coughlin http://www.twitter.com/inturnaround -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[TV orNotTV] Re: OT: Gary Lycan, the only columnist devoted to the LA radio scene, has passed away
Actually, Barrett resumed writing a watered-down version of his column a few months ago, after forwarding articles from other sites to former subscribers proved popular. He makes it available for free, but doesn't necessarily update it every day, and it has a bit less insider content since he lives up the coast in Santa Barbara now and no longer schmoozes. That said, I am very sad to see Lycan pass. He was the last of a dying breed of columnist. On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:11:53 PM UTC-7, Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote: With Don Barrett's retirement from laradio.com, there is nobody left in LA whose job is devoted to covering broadcast radio in the number two market in the nation. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[TV orNotTV] Re: NCIS stunt casting news
I think it varies from show to show. I never watched Will and Grace (if only because I loathe Megan Mullaly), but it seemed like every week they had two or three stunt-cast guest stars who were slumming to appear on a hot sitcom. On the other hand, The Good Wife (which I've only just started watching in the last couple of weeks) always seems to have name-brand guests, but (from what I've gathered) who have been hired in a multi-episode capacity because they're good actors (and in New York). --Dave Sikula On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:41:00 PM UTC-7, JW wrote: It may be stunt casting, but NCIS usually* makes really good use of its stunt-casted actors (see: Lily Tomlin as McGee's grandmother, Robert Wagner as DiNozo Sr., Bob Newhart as Duckie's colleague/mentor, etc.) - I'm confident this will be as well. I guess the problem is a definition for stunt casting. Having Robert Alda play Hawkeye's father certainly qualifies. Reuniting the Mary Tyler Moore cast on Hot in Cleveland fits. I think it's more than just hiring a big-name actor, though. Robert Vaughn playing Duckie's colleague/mentor would be stunt casting. I don't think Bob Newhart is. But I could be wrong about the definition. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: OT: Gary Lycan, the only columnist devoted to the LA radio scene, has passed away
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:56 AM, K.M. Richards richard...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, Barrett resumed writing a watered-down version of his column a few months ago, after forwarding articles from other sites to former subscribers proved popular. He makes it available for free, but doesn't necessarily update it every day, and it has a bit less insider content since he lives up the coast in Santa Barbara now and no longer schmoozes. Yeah, Barrett's focus is now largely retrospectives, less to do with the current state of the industry that used to preoccupy him. That said, I am very sad to see Lycan pass. He was the last of a dying breed of columnist. Too true. -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: RIP Roger Ebert
Alan Zweibel's memories of Roger Ebert, specifically how he reacted to reading Ebert's iconic review of North http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2013/04/roger-ebert-memories-bad-review-zweibel.html On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote: Tweet from Chaz Ebert: CHAZ HERE: We are hoping to stream the Memorial Tribute for Roger Thurs, April 11 at 7 pm CST. See http://rogerebert.com https://twitter.com/ebertchicago/status/36167375605760 -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: NCIS stunt casting news
I believe it was actually The Good Wife that inspired a conversation about stuntcasting on a recent Sepinwall/Feinberg podcast that was pretty interesting. My memory is that the definition that they circled around that I found myself agreeing with is roughly that it counts as stunt casting if it is something that is done largely to try to bring in new viewers. If you can imagine a promo saying This week _ is on _ then it counts as stunt casting, even if the person is a perfect fit and/or a great actor. The example they were discussing was Wallace Shawn, who is great and all but is not likely to be someone people tune in for special, as opposed to many of the 30 Rock or Will and Grace guest stars that clearly had some of that appeal, even though some of them were very well used. Or, as I think of it, Louie CK wasn't stunt casting in Season 2 of Parks and Rec but was stunt casting in Season 4. Not that this makes sense. - dg On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Dave Sikula dsik...@yahoo.com wrote: I think it varies from show to show. I never watched Will and Grace (if only because I loathe Megan Mullaly), but it seemed like every week they had two or three stunt-cast guest stars who were slumming to appear on a hot sitcom. On the other hand, The Good Wife (which I've only just started watching in the last couple of weeks) always seems to have name-brand guests, but (from what I've gathered) who have been hired in a multi-episode capacity because they're good actors (and in New York). --Dave Sikula On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:41:00 PM UTC-7, JW wrote: It may be stunt casting, but NCIS usually* makes really good use of its stunt-casted actors (see: Lily Tomlin as McGee's grandmother, Robert Wagner as DiNozo Sr., Bob Newhart as Duckie's colleague/mentor, etc.) - I'm confident this will be as well. I guess the problem is a definition for stunt casting. Having Robert Alda play Hawkeye's father certainly qualifies. Reuniting the Mary Tyler Moore cast on Hot in Cleveland fits. I think it's more than just hiring a big-name actor, though. Robert Vaughn playing Duckie's colleague/mentor would be stunt casting. I don't think Bob Newhart is. But I could be wrong about the definition. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: RIP Roger Ebert
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote: Tweet from Chaz Ebert: CHAZ HERE: We are hoping to stream the Memorial Tribute for Roger Thurs, April 11 at 7 pm CST. See http://rogerebert.com https://twitter.com/ebertchicago/status/36167375605760 Some nice words offered up at the memorial. My only wish is they had somebody... well... more capable of producing the audio and video for the webcast. -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[TV orNotTV] Program note: Carl Reiner on Craigyferg tonight
Or so he has tweeted: https://twitter.com/carlreiner/status/322254848231878656 -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: RIP Roger Ebert
Even more than the many written tributes this past week, the memorial reinforced to me how much I didn't know about Mr. Ebert. More to the point, I quite underestimated the extent of his non-television work. Kevin is spot on about the production, but I had the impression that the streaming was, not an afterthought, but something that was a last minute addition. David From: Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: RIP Roger Ebert On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote: Tweet from Chaz Ebert: CHAZ HERE: We are hoping to stream the Memorial Tribute for Roger Thurs, April 11 at 7 pm CST. See http://rogerebert.com https://twitter.com/ebertchicago/status/36167375605760 Some nice words offered up at the memorial. My only wish is they had somebody... well... more capable of producing the audio and video for the webcast. -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Program note: Carl Reiner on Craigyferg tonight
Not for the first time, either. I suspect it is promotionally justified by a new batch of Hot in Cleveland episodes. The recent vacation has given Craig a bit of an energy boost. He may also branch out from puppets into marionettes. David From: Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:00 PM Subject: [TV orNotTV] Program note: Carl Reiner on Craigyferg tonight Or so he has tweeted: https://twitter.com/carlreiner/status/322254848231878656 -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
