Re: In latest Precise live system if I run any GUI command with sudo prefix, I get can not open display error message
DON'T use sudo with GUI programs! It can seriously screw up permissions on the user-specific files the program needs to run. Please try again using the *correct* command: gksudo -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Fwd: Re: Persona writing sprint this weekend 12th and 13th November
-- Forwarded message -- From: Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com Date: Nov 10, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Persona writing sprint this weekend 12th and 13th November To: Hugh Sasse h...@dmu.ac.uk It still would be a matter of: 1. Checking to see if gnome 3 still has that setting 2. Porting that style of magnifier to compiz since unity 3d is built on compiz. An alternative for you short-term would be using unity 2d with kwin (which can also do the inverse colors) 3. Getting (or finding) a lightweight standalone version of that cursor. Maco -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Updates of at-spi2, mousetweaks, and Orca in oneiric-proposed, please help with testing.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Tom Masterson kd7...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Luke I get an at-spi-registry segfault as soon as I log in to the computer under xwindows. Seems to happen in gnome classic on this computer more that unity but in unity I get unity segfaults. They appear to be happening in libgcong-2. What do I need to do to track this down or get a meningful report to the appropriate team. I of course can't guarantee that something is not screwy with the computer until I get some method of tracking this better. If you edit: /etc/default/apport nd change enabled from 0 to 1, then when it crashes, the crash report should go to /var/crash and make a pop up that I'm not sure you'll be able to use to send the stacktrace in. The apport-cli command can submit reports from the command line using the files in /var/crash. It should find the crash file on its own. -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Oneiric accessibility: install, Unity, and Unity 2D
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Bill Cox waywardg...@gmail.com wrote: A non-starter for me is that Unity doesn't work with Compiz, and I require it's inverse video and magnification capabilities. So, I've switched to Ubuntu 2D, which I believe was built using QT. Compiz works great, but Orca doesn't see the Unity desktop. Are you just referring to the part where Compiz doesn't zoom the Unity dock itself (but does operate on the rest of the screen while using Unity), or are you saying you can't use inverse or zoom at all while using Unity? I'm a little confused because Unity requires Compiz so isn't incompatible with it. -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Ubiquity installer accessibility and localization?
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:09 AM, Alan Bell alan.b...@libertus.co.uk wrote: Hi Attila, the variable names on widgets is bug 781385 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/781385 which is infuriating because it was done deliberately to abuse the a11y features for automated testing - fine in itself, I think it is great that a11y interfaces are also used for testing, but not at the expense of breaking their intended purpose. I am going to try and get this un-broken. This one has been handled now. It'll only do the broken thing when run with a flag that means it's being run through automated testing. The accessibility hints in the .ui files will take over in the normal case. These aren't finished yet, but they're about halfway there thanks to Cheri Francis, whose patch I committed today. -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Natty accessibility issues
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Nolan Darilek no...@thewordnerd.info wrote: but this capslock thing took me five minutes to spot. Surely it was encountered sometime since April 30th and a fix could have been shipped? I remember this issue being brought up on this list months ago, but I can't find any record of it in the bugtracker. -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Creating An Accessibility Specification for Lubuntu 11.10
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Charlie Kravetz c...@teamcharliesangels.com wrote: Well, I can not speak for all other distributions (variants), but Xubuntu will not be adding much. A user is welcome to add orca if they want to. We do have Onboard Keyboard, but I am still fighting to get the menu entry added, since Ubuntu removes it from the debian version. Luke is fixing the menu entry in the next upload, I believe. -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Feedback about Ubuntu requested
When your interaction with other Ubuntu users is entirely made up of developers talking about bugs they need to fix and users seeking support (IRC, forums, bug reports), your perspective changes. It's hard to get a good idea of the big picture. What portion of users are hitting problems in what areas? How do users who've reported bugs feel about the experience? How are the local community teams doing? How's accessibility? That kind of stuff is hard to wrap your head around without metrics. To that end, a bunch of members of the Ubuntu community have worked together to create a survey (that I really hope works nicely with screenreaders) that'll help those of us working on various parts of Ubuntu understand where we need to improve and how we can do better. If you have an opinion on Ubuntu, please take 5 minutes to fill out the following Ubuntu User-Experience survey: http://is.gd/vnPvog Thank you! -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Proposal: DBus activation of Accessibility
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:05 AM, UndiFineD undifi...@gmail.com wrote: Currently in Ubuntu Natty 11.04, Dbus in compiz does not work perfectly. might be better in Ubuntu Classic. This wouldn't apply til 11.10 or maybe even 12.04. Whatever's wrong with DBus should get fixed though. Has a bug report been filed? -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Proposal: DBus activation of Accessibility
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 3:38 PM, UndiFineD undifi...@gmail.com wrote: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/749084 The interface Frederik outline above isn't under the org.freedeskop.compiz namespace, so I'm not sure this would actually block starting AT-SPI stuff. CC'ing him for input. -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: orca
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Martin McCormick mar...@dc.cis.okstate.edu wrote: I am the one who posted several messages some weeks ago with the Dell Pentium 4 of 2004 vintage that has no sound what so ever with ubuntu10 or 11 even though the bootup process appears to find the sound card. What I am curious about is what has changed in these later versions that makes this otherwise rather normal computer mute in the later versions of ubuntu? Did it work with prior versions of Ubuntu? Could you give a link to the output of running this script: http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-driver.git;a=blob_plain;f=utils/alsa-info.sh (note it must be run with bash, not plain sh). This could be a driver problem. -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Alex Midence alex.mide...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, I don't think we'll be able to do it in 11.10. To make it possible to just flip a screenreader on would require that QT_ACCESSIBILITY environment variable be set to 1 in *all* sessions as a default. With Qt-AT-SPI installed, this'd cause a huge performance impact because Qt-AT-SPI is too new to have been optimised yet. snip I understand. Here's another one for you then: Could a script be used that would insert the needed lines into the configuration file for KDE? Any user who wanted to activate it could run it from a console session. It could have a name like ACTIVATE-SCREENREADER and require root priveleges to be run. The fact that it is written in upper case and that it is a long string along with it's requiring sudo before it is run should preclude any possibility of someone running it accidentally. Actually, you wouldn't want it to be sudo, because you don't want your user's KDE config files to be owned by root. A regular script should work fine though. I really doubt anyone's going to accidentally type kscreenreader --enable and have no idea why the computer is talking to them later. There was discussion in the kde-accessibility IRC channel yesterday of integrating it into KAccess (the KControl Module for turning on various accessibility features) as well. Fregl (QAccessiblity developer at Nokia) is at a KDE-and-GNOME-together accessibility hackfest where today they are going to be brainstorming how to make it possible to enable this stuff at runtime, in which case the hotkey thing would then be possible. -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Desktops other than gnome
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Alex Midence alex.mide...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, MacKenzie, I'm very you liked the suggestion of the hotkey for starting the screen reader and that you are thinking about including it in the next Kubuntu release. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll be able to do it in 11.10. To make it possible to just flip a screenreader on would require that QT_ACCESSIBILITY environment variable be set to 1 in *all* sessions as a default. With Qt-AT-SPI installed, this'd cause a huge performance impact because Qt-AT-SPI is too new to have been optimised yet. At some point, the need for QT_ACCESSIBILITY to be set before *anything* starts running (ie, at session startup) will go away, but there's no consensus yet on how to do that. I'm hopeful about Qt folks figuring out a better solution in time for 12.04. -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Desktops other than gnome
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Alex Midence alex.mide...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Mackenzie, If you plan to include KAccessible in the 11.10 release of Kubuntu, do you think there is a way to create a hotkey that would launch it? For instance, in Vinux, we have either alt-control o or shift control o which runs Orca no matter where you are in Gnome including the gdm login screen. This way, if something ever breaks speech or, hangs it up, you can always restart the screen reader without having to worry about being in the right place to type in its name. Oh, thanks! I'll put that on the list of adjustments to Kubuntu defaults. A default shortcut would be great! The plan so far was to mimic the Ubuntu installer: if the system is installed with the screenreader on, enable it by default. However, I have no idea whether it can run during KDM. I haven't tried it yet. When running on the desktop it has a tray icon (which...well...) and you can choose to make it speak. Having a keyboard shortcut to start it would necessitate that QT_ACCESSIBILTY=1 be set by default on all sessions. I was thinking that such an option would let somebody start hearing their system talk from the very outset. Also, I'm a bit startled by what appears to be a statement that KAccessibility is a screen reader. I thought it was an accessibility api. QAccessible is the API. KAccessible is the screenreader that interacts with QAccessible. Does this mean that it is a full-fledged screen reading solution that lets you read the screen in a controled manner like speakup, orca and CO.? I was under the impression that this wasn't the case in KDE which is why no blind people that I know of use it right now. KAccessible was written in the last year. KDE 4.6 is the first to have it, so Natty is our first release where it could possibly work. If it reads only a few things, I wonder what would need to be done to it to flesh it out. To have a proper screne reader, you need a few things: It can read any Qt or KDE widget that is based on a base-Qt widget. Custom KDE widgets that are from scratch are still in the lurch. This would include the terminal portion of Konsole and also KHTML. Terminals have their own screenreaders though, right? snip list There's more. I feel rather guilty for not coming up with four more things just to round this out to 10 but, I'm sure you get the picture. Bakc to my original question, do you happen to know if KAccessibility actualy offers this sort of thing? If not, do you know or can you point me to docs that would tell me just how much or how little of it can be done with KAccessibility? I've only played with it a little bit, so I'm not really sure about all that. I'd suggest asking on the KDE-Accessibility mailing list. Seb Sauer is the main (only?) developer on KAccessible. -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Desktops other than gnome
On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Alex Midence alex.mide...@gmail.com wrote: I guess, with Ubuntu, there is Xubuntu and Kubuntu. I may be in a position to find out for myself how KDE is coming along but the others are a mystery to me. Kubuntu 11.04 does not include KAccessible (screenreader for Qt-based apps) but it is available in the archive. I intend to make it part of the default install for 11.10. The Qt AT-SPI2 bridge is incomplete at the moment, so for now it is necessary to use Orca for GTK apps and KAccessible for Qt ones. -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Getting Natty to talk
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 1:16 AM, Alex H. linuxx64.bas...@gmail.com wrote: It was in GNOME2 since I disabled 3D in my VM so I could use GNOME; I've not tried Unity yet. If you choose an accessibility profile, it'll automatically give you GNOME 2, even if you have 3D -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Ubiquity installer accessibility and localization?
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 7:16 AM, Hammer Attila hamm...@pickup.hu wrote: Hy, Now I looked an english language environment the Ubiquity installer and Orca improvement. For example, before with partitioning window, I selected the following radiobutton: Erase disk and install Ubuntu Orca spokening following text: Erase disk and install Ubuntu use_device radiobutton selected I was able to get it to read the labels by associating the radio button to the label, but I couldn't figure out why it kept reading the variable name for the radio button afterward. The code in question has been pointed out to me, and it looks like I should have also set the name for the radio button to make it say something less-stupid than use underscore device Did it not also read the label in Hungarian? -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Ubiquity installer accessibility and localization?
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 2:41 AM, Hammer Attila hamm...@pickup.hu wrote: Hy, Luke, perhaps Ubiquity Orca script spokening miss informations with Ubiquity installer (11.04), I don't no future possible resolvable the following type problems perhaps Ocelot if Natty Ubiquity installer or script impossible resolving some problems. Hi, I'm going to answer since I decided last week that Ubiquity's accessibility will be one of my focuses for Oneiric Ocelot. 1. Lot of dialogs Orca spokening live_installer dialog titles, and for example some edit boxes, Orca spokening the hungarian edit box label (for example the computer host setting) and spokening an english label (host:). I don't remember all miss spokened dialog widgets, but lot of time happening this problem. This type problem is Orca ubiquity script related problem, or a mistake design with Ubiquity main dialogs? The problematic code for this has been pointed out to me. It's a loop that sets the accessible name equal to the variable name, which is TERRIBLE for humans (as you've noticed) but GREAT for writing automated test scripts, which I'm pretty sure is the only reason there is an accessible name set at all. I'm planning on submitting lots of patches on fixing this, and I'll probably also have to give the developer a patch for his automated test script to work with the actually accessible names. An another example is the timezone setting dialog, with Orca spokening an interesting label text for selected time zone. And the timezone thing doesn't really work well from a keyboard when you consider that the dropdown options aren't read. That'll very likely take code-changes that I'm not sure how to do yet. 2. I don't no why, but now Orca doesn't spokening installation progress bar, and doesn't possible looking what percentage are completed with installation. The progress bar is removed with Ubiquity gtk frontend dialog? I think this is not Orca script specific problem. I don't think it knows it's there or what to do with it, just like it doesn't read some of the text on the screen. This actually probably does involve the Ubiquity script for Orca. What components need reporting this type problems to fix all this type problems with future Ocelot? I think AlanBell reported most of this a few weeks ago, actually. Or at least, I'm aware of them, having seen a video he made of how ... awful... the installer is with Orca, which is why I've started researching how to fix it. (Oh, and regarding the other email, when I said I was able to get it to read the label, I mean it previously didn't read the label at all, just the variable name, and so this was at least an improvement) -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Ubiquity installer accessibility and localization?
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Hammer Attila hamm...@pickup.hu wrote: Hy, Mackenzie, happening following for example if I use hungarian language: Orca spokening proper hungarian translation the Erase disk and install Ubuntu radiobutton label (translation is Merevlemez törlése, és az Ubuntu telepítése), and spokening the accessible variable (use_device) text. So, in hungarian language, Orca spokening the actual selected radiobutton label: merevlemez törlése, és az Ubuntu telepítése use_device. OK, I was afraid it was only reading the label if English! What it's doing is what I'd expect it to do based on the current code. So, future will be awailable an update this problem related in Natty? Probably not til Oneiric. New versions of Ubiquity can be downloaded from the Internet if you're installing while connected, but I don't really know if the Ubiquity developers will be packaging new versions of it for Natty at this point (since Natty is released). I can't upload new versions of Ubiquity to Ubuntu, just send patches to the appropriate people to get it into Ubiquity's trunk which will then make it into the next version of Ubuntu. -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Ohio LinuxFest Call for Presentations
Ohio LinuxFest is hoping to receive more proposals from a more diverse range of participants in the FOSS arena than ever before. Last year I sent out an email blast like this to a handful of women's groups, and the result was that even after turning down over half the women's submissions, over 35% of accepted presentations were from women. Despite lack of outreach to accessibility groups (sorry!), 5% of speakers identified as disabled. Recognising there is more to diversity than gender (and that there are more distros than Debian/Ubuntu), the email blast has gotten bigger this year. Please pass this along to any other mailing lists you are aware of for minority groups within the community (and let me know about them). There is also a Diversity in Open Source workshop scheduled for Sunday. The cost is $20 including a brunch. Information about that can be found here: http://ohiolinux.org/dios The conferences does have a Diversity Statement: The Ohio LinuxFest is dedicated for making Open Source truly open to everyone. We do not discriminate based on ethnic background, religion, gender, sexuality, body shape, disability, or even what operating system you use. We also do not tolerate harassment based on discrimination. We understand that some people need special assistance to fully enjoy our conference. If we can help you find a wheelchair, arrange for an ASL translator or a guide for the sight impaired, or any other special need, please let us know at ass...@ohiolinux.org. It's a great conference for first-time presenters, so don't be shy! = The CFP deadline grows near for the Ohio LinuxFest's 9th Conference, to be held September 9-11, 2011, in Columbus, Ohio. The CFP deadline is May 1. The biggest Free Open Source conference in the Eastern part of the US is looking for proposals to talk about a variety of topics, all relating to the free and open use of computers. Talks in the past have been for the experienced, the professionals, the hobbyists and those just looking to learn. Talks in the past have covered topics from embedded systems, Linux kernels and authentication to documentation, video games, politics, project management and so much more. We encourage people who are new to speaking but are experienced in their field or hobby to submit a proposal. Go here to submit your proposal today: http://www.ohiolinux.org/talksubmit The Ohio LinuxFest Institute seeks experienced instructors for our professional quality training. In the past classes have been geared towards system administrators but we are willing to look in other directions as well. Classes may be half day or full day and will take place on Friday, September 9. Go here for further information, including requirements and pay scale, and to submit your proposal: http://www.ohiolinux.org/tutsubmit -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
