Re: [ubuntu-art] Fluid Boot Experience
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 15:37 -0600, Jonathan Blackhall wrote: So I got to thinking about the boot experience today and I was wondering if anyone had any comments on this. First, I think a successful default booting sequence should have 3 characteristics that are currently not implemented. ?1. GRUB2 menu be hidden on all machines by default and the usplash image load immediately and have it include a small message saying Press Esc for more boot options or something to load the GRUB2 menu. ?2.The transition between usplash and xsplash should be smooth. ?3. The startup sounds would be refreshed and shortened. ?Possibly 4. Make sure the transition between xsplash - log in screen - xsplash again is smooth as well. You know what would be a really excellent way to mash-up all this boot stuff? ?Take the current usplash (just a white Ubuntu logo on a black background) and make the logo explode into MadsRH's Swarm animation (or a Humanized version) while having the rest of the xsplash elements (background gradient and Ubuntu name) fade in. ?For me, it would really make this whole boot sequence more integrated and slick. What I think would be a cool boot experience: -usplash Ubuntu logo appears with message saying Press Esc for more boot options, message disappears after 3 sec, leaving Ubuntu logo -xsplash starts as same logo as usplash (no transition apparent to user), background gradient fades in, Ubuntu logo explodes into Swarm animation, the word Ubuntu appears above the Swarm -if your Log In screen enabled, transition to it (perhaps have the Swarm re-form an Ubuntu logo next to the word Ubuntu??) and have the remaining Log In stuff appear -Some other quick animation between Log In and a fully loaded desktop (maybe?), play a 1-2 sec subtle (unobtrusive) startup sound -All of that in 20 sec or less on a normal laptop without an SSD Do you think that type of boot experience is possible? ?Is it desirable? ?What would you change? Of course this is all just fantasy, but I'm curious what people think would be a desirable boot experience. ?Do you have hope that your expectations will be met in Lucid? Cheers, J -1 MadsRH had other good ideas , but swarm wasnt the best one. The swarm is too reminiscent of the windows7 orbs and also the swarm just seems too aimless. they are not arising from some place nor are they leading some where. -- Cheers, mac_v I like the idea of something like swarm, but as fireflies in a grassy field, and a new firefly would pop up once a new proc has been init'd... -Chris Like you I've been thinking about the boot experience. IMO I believe Ubuntu presents well and if I had to pick a second choice it would either be Mint or openSuSE. The Jaunty or openSuSE bar design works well because if the bar stops progressing for a moment its no big deal. Other more active designs don't do as well. One key issue is Ubuntu boots so quickly (and keeps getting faster) there is not a lot of time to present an animation. I almost believe no animation would work as well with these really fast boot times. Another issue is what technology is available, when. I don't know when X become available during the boot process but I see this being important as it further reduces the animation time. The one thing I would do to the current boot experience is square up the logo. On my wide screen it looks stretched until X comes on line. Its funny as I'm sure the same issue exists with Mint but with a square logo its not noticeable. A simple but effective boot experience is OSX (white logo bar on a black screen). Cheers -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Fluid Boot Experience
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:19 PM, mac_v drkv...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 15:37 -0600, Jonathan Blackhall wrote: So I got to thinking about the boot experience today and I was wondering if anyone had any comments on this. First, I think a successful default booting sequence should have 3 characteristics that are currently not implemented. 1. GRUB2 menu be hidden on all machines by default and the usplash image load immediately and have it include a small message saying Press Esc for more boot options or something to load the GRUB2 menu. 2.The transition between usplash and xsplash should be smooth. 3. The startup sounds would be refreshed and shortened. Possibly 4. Make sure the transition between xsplash - log in screen - xsplash again is smooth as well. You know what would be a really excellent way to mash-up all this boot stuff? Take the current usplash (just a white Ubuntu logo on a black background) and make the logo explode into MadsRH's Swarm animation (or a Humanized version) while having the rest of the xsplash elements (background gradient and Ubuntu name) fade in. For me, it would really make this whole boot sequence more integrated and slick. What I think would be a cool boot experience: -usplash Ubuntu logo appears with message saying Press Esc for more boot options, message disappears after 3 sec, leaving Ubuntu logo -xsplash starts as same logo as usplash (no transition apparent to user), background gradient fades in, Ubuntu logo explodes into Swarm animation, the word Ubuntu appears above the Swarm -if your Log In screen enabled, transition to it (perhaps have the Swarm re-form an Ubuntu logo next to the word Ubuntu??) and have the remaining Log In stuff appear -Some other quick animation between Log In and a fully loaded desktop (maybe?), play a 1-2 sec subtle (unobtrusive) startup sound -All of that in 20 sec or less on a normal laptop without an SSD Do you think that type of boot experience is possible? Is it desirable? What would you change? Of course this is all just fantasy, but I'm curious what people think would be a desirable boot experience. Do you have hope that your expectations will be met in Lucid? Cheers, J -1 MadsRH had other good ideas , but swarm wasnt the best one. The swarm is too reminiscent of the windows7 orbs and also the swarm just seems too aimless. they are not arising from some place nor are they leading some where. -- Cheers, mac_v I like the idea of something like swarm, but as fireflies in a grassy field, and a new firefly would pop up once a new proc has been init'd... -Chris -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Fluid Boot Experience
Check the tracks at UDS, the lucid boot tracks discuss exactly this... On Nov 16, 2009, at 10:37 PM, Jonathan Blackhall wrote: So I got to thinking about the boot experience today and I was wondering if anyone had any comments on this. First, I think a successful default booting sequence should have 3 characteristics that are currently not implemented. 1. GRUB2 menu be hidden on all machines by default and the usplash image load immediately and have it include a small message saying Press Esc for more boot options or something to load the GRUB2 menu. 2.The transition between usplash and xsplash should be smooth. 3. The startup sounds would be refreshed and shortened. Possibly 4. Make sure the transition between xsplash - log in screen - xsplash again is smooth as well. You know what would be a really excellent way to mash-up all this boot stuff? Take the current usplash (just a white Ubuntu logo on a black background) and make the logo explode into MadsRH's Swarm animation (or a Humanized version) while having the rest of the xsplash elements (background gradient and Ubuntu name) fade in. For me, it would really make this whole boot sequence more integrated and slick. What I think would be a cool boot experience: -usplash Ubuntu logo appears with message saying Press Esc for more boot options, message disappears after 3 sec, leaving Ubuntu logo -xsplash starts as same logo as usplash (no transition apparent to user), background gradient fades in, Ubuntu logo explodes into Swarm animation, the word Ubuntu appears above the Swarm -if your Log In screen enabled, transition to it (perhaps have the Swarm re-form an Ubuntu logo next to the word Ubuntu??) and have the remaining Log In stuff appear -Some other quick animation between Log In and a fully loaded desktop (maybe?), play a 1-2 sec subtle (unobtrusive) startup sound -All of that in 20 sec or less on a normal laptop without an SSD Do you think that type of boot experience is possible? Is it desirable? What would you change? Of course this is all just fantasy, but I'm curious what people think would be a desirable boot experience. Do you have hope that your expectations will be met in Lucid? Cheers, J -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Fluid Boot Experience
So it looks like we're switching to Plymouth for Lucid. (as per source @UDS) I think we should compile any links to resources we can to help in the creation of themes. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Fluid Boot Experience
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 15:37 -0600, Jonathan Blackhall wrote: So I got to thinking about the boot experience today and I was wondering if anyone had any comments on this. First, I think a successful default booting sequence should have 3 characteristics that are currently not implemented. 1. GRUB2 menu be hidden on all machines by default and the usplash image load immediately and have it include a small message saying Press Esc for more boot options or something to load the GRUB2 menu. 2.The transition between usplash and xsplash should be smooth. 3. The startup sounds would be refreshed and shortened. Possibly 4. Make sure the transition between xsplash - log in screen - xsplash again is smooth as well. You know what would be a really excellent way to mash-up all this boot stuff? Take the current usplash (just a white Ubuntu logo on a black background) and make the logo explode into MadsRH's Swarm animation (or a Humanized version) while having the rest of the xsplash elements (background gradient and Ubuntu name) fade in. For me, it would really make this whole boot sequence more integrated and slick. What I think would be a cool boot experience: -usplash Ubuntu logo appears with message saying Press Esc for more boot options, message disappears after 3 sec, leaving Ubuntu logo -xsplash starts as same logo as usplash (no transition apparent to user), background gradient fades in, Ubuntu logo explodes into Swarm animation, the word Ubuntu appears above the Swarm -if your Log In screen enabled, transition to it (perhaps have the Swarm re-form an Ubuntu logo next to the word Ubuntu??) and have the remaining Log In stuff appear -Some other quick animation between Log In and a fully loaded desktop (maybe?), play a 1-2 sec subtle (unobtrusive) startup sound -All of that in 20 sec or less on a normal laptop without an SSD Do you think that type of boot experience is possible? Is it desirable? What would you change? Of course this is all just fantasy, but I'm curious what people think would be a desirable boot experience. Do you have hope that your expectations will be met in Lucid? Cheers, J -1 MadsRH had other good ideas , but swarm wasnt the best one. The swarm is too reminiscent of the windows7 orbs and also the swarm just seems too aimless. they are not arising from some place nor are they leading some where. -- Cheers, mac_v -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Fluid Boot Experience
So I got to thinking about the boot experience today and I was wondering if anyone had any comments on this. First, I think a successful default booting sequence should have 3 characteristics that are currently not implemented. 1. GRUB2 menu be hidden on all machines by default and the usplash image load immediately and have it include a small message saying Press Esc for more boot options or something to load the GRUB2 menu. 2.The transition between usplash and xsplash should be smooth. 3. The startup sounds would be refreshed and shortened. Possibly 4. Make sure the transition between xsplash - log in screen - xsplash again is smooth as well. You know what would be a really excellent way to mash-up all this boot stuff? Take the current usplash (just a white Ubuntu logo on a black background) and make the logo explode into MadsRH's Swarm animationhttp://anotherubuntu.blogspot.com/2009/10/my-artwork-in-xubuntu-910.html(or a Humanized versionhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/11/ubuntu-xsplash-animation-human-coloured.html) while having the rest of the xsplash elements (background gradient and Ubuntu name) fade in. For me, it would really make this whole boot sequence more integrated and slick. What I think would be a cool boot experience: -usplash Ubuntu logo appears with message saying Press Esc for more boot options, message disappears after 3 sec, leaving Ubuntu logo -xsplash starts as same logo as usplash (no transition apparent to user), background gradient fades in, Ubuntu logo explodes into Swarm animation, the word Ubuntu appears above the Swarm -if your Log In screen enabled, transition to it (perhaps have the Swarm re-form an Ubuntu logo next to the word Ubuntu??) and have the remaining Log In stuff appear -Some other quick animation between Log In and a fully loaded desktop (maybe?), play a 1-2 sec subtle (unobtrusive) startup sound -All of that in 20 sec or less on a normal laptop without an SSD Do you think that type of boot experience is possible? Is it desirable? What would you change? Of course this is all just fantasy, but I'm curious what people think would be a desirable boot experience. Do you have hope that your expectations will be met in Lucid? Cheers, J -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Fluid Boot Experience
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Jonathan Blackhall johnny.one@gmail.com wrote: Of course this is all just fantasy, but I'm curious what people think would be a desirable boot experience. Do you have hope that your expectations will be met in Lucid? Cheers, J I hit power button. Grub loads, I hit enter for ubuntu, no time passes, I am presented with kdm/gdm. This is what happens in my fantasy. -- Saleel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Fluid Boot Experience
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:47 PM, David Callé davidcal...@gmail.com wrote: The boot experience talk is on air right now at UDS. http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/lonestar1.ogg.m3u 2009/11/16 Saleel Velankar svela...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Jonathan Blackhall johnny.one@gmail.com wrote: Of course this is all just fantasy, but I'm curious what people think would be a desirable boot experience. Do you have hope that your expectations will be met in Lucid? Cheers, J I hit power button. Grub loads, I hit enter for ubuntu, no time passes, I am presented with kdm/gdm. This is what happens in my fantasy. My fantasy is always on, no reboot on kernel updates, etc. This splash stuff is pretty but in the future I don't see this happening a lot :) -Chris -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
