Re: [ubuntu-art] Default design note

[David Zondlo]

^^ Also forgot to throw in this link on how to get involved. Tho, I'm
sure you would have found it anyway googling

http://live.gnome.org/JoinGnome

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Default design note

[David Zondlo]

No sorry, I was interested at one point but found it too hard of a
community to become a part of without knowing anyone currently working
on it.

Though I would still suggest at least becoming a part of the gnome
team art team at: http://art.gnome.org/ , or if you know c++ (or w/e
gnome is written in :P sorry for my inexperience) you could join
another part of the gnome team.

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[SorinN]

Dave,
a short question - you are working on some gnome team ?

I think I will offer my free time to the gnome community...

if you are related to some gnome projects - please give me
a signal at nemes.so...@gmail.com

2009/10/4 David Zondlo :
> Definitely give 9.10 kubuntu a try. The new kde is a huge step up. I'm
> sure within a few releases it will be really great.
>
>  @ SorinN, I think if you really wanted to change the GUI as a whole
> you should look into joining the gnome community. I'm sure you have
> some great ideas that they might be able to use.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Default design note

[SorinN]

Jerry Casiano wrote:
"
I think you're kidding yourself if you think people who are happy with
XP will choose Ubuntu or any other OS over Windows 7.  Sounds like you
haven't checked 7 out.
"

I'm not kidding at all - I win my money providing design decisions - I
know how users react - I know what I said, I don't guess. I help
companies on their decisions regarding one design or another. Also I
don't speak about isolate cases, I speak about targets - for example
probably more than 90% from Ubuntu users (which was not Linux users
before) are XP users.

I was a happy XP user (or superuser). I was an upset Vista user and
finally a pretty happy win7 user too. I still don't see the relation -
Win7 is a better windows - ok with that but I implement Ubuntu
everywhere around me because I ...and the companies for I changed MS
OS to Ubuntu or Ubuntu Server, we see a long term value on the Linux
side. It's too complicated to explain you here why the companies think
in other way than you or a simply home user. They think big and they
take long range decisions when they do such kind of changes.

Also - I promoted linux where this make sense, but for my clients from
companies, I see that sense in almost every setup and they see that
too. The list with specific MS OS things is shorter day by day - you
can't find almost all drivers now on linux - but this is an other
discussion ...we can talk separately if you like not here.

At least as a final advice :  please read again and understand in
context. I talked about "peoples which will cross from XP to Ubuntu
not to win7", I don't say "all peoples will cross from XP to Ubuntu
NOT to win7". Take care about nuances.


2009/10/5 Jerry Casiano :
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 12:43 PM, SorinN  wrote:
>>
>> ...
>> To gain a new level of perception which is needed for the large mass
>> (yep - peoples which will cross from XP to Ubuntu not to win7),
>> a whole new look - by default - it's a must.
>> ...
>
> I think you're kidding yourself if you think people who are happy with XP
> will choose Ubuntu or any other OS over Windows 7.  Sounds like you haven't
> checked 7 out.
>
> I love Linux and promote it whenever it makes sense to, but the truth is
> there is only one small issue related to the way the new sound system in
> Windows 7 works that will stop me from picking up a copy, until there is a
> solution or workaround. And that is an issue that most users won't care
> about.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Default design note

[Dávid Horváth]

I have to agree - good morning by the way. I'm very interested in W7, i
heard very good opinions about it, and after Vista's black soup nothing can
be worse. I saw video's on youtube and it is amazing. Looks homogene,
logical, beautiful and *very* nice. I dont like the attitude of m$, but W7
is definitely an operating system what will spread a lot more than its
predecessor and it will aim the success of XP. Ubuntu is proceeding well, i
still have an impression that we have to do it a lot better. We should
create an Ultimate Ubuntu Experience (UUEx :) ) what has smooth effects,
nice looking and very clean and usable interface. We should convince
hardware companies to hand over the specs so that we can develop an open
source driver. Last but not least we should break into the PC market, so if
you go to a shop worldwide you can be amazed by UUEx.

That is what i think we should do.
Have a nice day,
David

2009/10/5 Jerry Casiano 

>
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 12:43 PM, SorinN  wrote:
>
>> ...
>> To gain a new level of perception which is needed for the large mass
>> (yep - peoples which will cross from XP to Ubuntu not to win7),
>> a whole new look - by default - it's a must.
>> ...
>>
>
> I think you're kidding yourself if you think people who are happy with XP
> will choose Ubuntu or any other OS over Windows 7.  Sounds like you haven't
> checked 7 out.
>
> I love Linux and promote it whenever it makes sense to, but the truth is
> there is only one small issue related to the way the new sound system in
> Windows 7 works that will stop me from picking up a copy, until there is a
> solution or workaround. And that is an issue that most users won't care
> about.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Default design note

[Jerry Casiano]

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 12:43 PM, SorinN  wrote:

> ...
> To gain a new level of perception which is needed for the large mass
> (yep - peoples which will cross from XP to Ubuntu not to win7),
> a whole new look - by default - it's a must.
> ...
>

I think you're kidding yourself if you think people who are happy with XP
will choose Ubuntu or any other OS over Windows 7.  Sounds like you haven't
checked 7 out.

I love Linux and promote it whenever it makes sense to, but the truth is
there is only one small issue related to the way the new sound system in
Windows 7 works that will stop me from picking up a copy, until there is a
solution or workaround. And that is an issue that most users won't care
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Default design note

[David Zondlo]

Definitely give 9.10 kubuntu a try. The new kde is a huge step up. I'm
sure within a few releases it will be really great.

 @ SorinN, I think if you really wanted to change the GUI as a whole
you should look into joining the gnome community. I'm sure you have
some great ideas that they might be able to use.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Default design note

[chronos . hun]

That desktop is neat :) Although i will stay at the default gnome layout. I dont like the "only on tray at the bottom" philosophy :) If you know what i mean. 


True, but when i tested Kubuntu last time, i culdnt even fire up my DSL 
connection, and it was crowded, too much functions, lack of pure clearness. 
Keep it simple Pal :P Nobody is stupid. I'll give Karmic Kubuntu another shot 
when it will come out. Ubuntu has definitely its place, i think it should be a 
bit fuzzy, a bit more exciting, aside the pureness what it has. Maybe we should 
make Kubuntu come up to a usability, what Ubuntu already has, and then we will 
have a two sided OS. One for purity, one for extremes. Next year will be very 
interesting..

Cheers Mates!
David

2009/10/4 David Zondlo 
While kde 4.3 does look great and performs so much better than
previous versions, it still lacks enough stability (for me at least)
to use on a desktop computer.

Even though ubuntu's default desktop isn't quite as pretty as
leopard's or vista's (or 7's), in my opinion the ability to customize
far surpasses its rivals. Plus 9.10's new wallpapers truly are
breathtaking. Here is my slightly customized desktop:

http://i35.tinypic.com/5oywro.jpg

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Default design note

[SorinN]

The strange point is that 90% users will not customize anything.
The global perception of Ubuntu user experience, will still walk
around the first look.
To gain a new level of perception which is needed for the large mass
(yep - peoples which will cross from XP to Ubuntu not to win7),
a whole new look - by default - it's a must.

And the truth is ...this is very possible, just count Ubuntu Art work,
but a strong voice on the Ubuntu dev. side is still missing.
They need a real UI architect which can assume those decisions.
..probably they got the right people but maybe he don't have the final word,
because I can't believe so much time is passed and still nothing new
on this area
(except Ubuntu Art team work - which is substantial but not official).



2009/10/4 David Zondlo :
> While kde 4.3 does look great and performs so much better than
> previous versions, it still lacks enough stability (for me at least)
> to use on a desktop computer.
>
> Even though ubuntu's default desktop isn't quite as pretty as
> leopard's or vista's (or 7's), in my opinion the ability to customize
> far surpasses its rivals. Plus 9.10's new wallpapers truly are
> breathtaking. Here is my slightly customized desktop:
>
> http://i35.tinypic.com/5oywro.jpg
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Default design note

[David Zondlo]

While kde 4.3 does look great and performs so much better than
previous versions, it still lacks enough stability (for me at least)
to use on a desktop computer.

Even though ubuntu's default desktop isn't quite as pretty as
leopard's or vista's (or 7's), in my opinion the ability to customize
far surpasses its rivals. Plus 9.10's new wallpapers truly are
breathtaking. Here is my slightly customized desktop:

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Default design note

[mac_v]

On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 12:34 +0200, Dávid Horváth wrote:
> Hey Dear Artists!

> Lets observe the third one.
> Nice welcoming warm colours, you stop at the middle line. Observe it a
> bit. Nice, smooth lines.. As there is nothing at the bottom your focus
> goes up to the upper right corner. Bob. Red button, punctuated icons,
> no structure. You go on the tray to the right side, a big empty space,
> than an unpleasant question mark.. blue.. how this came here? A too
> simple envelope.. and firefox. Firefox.. like that. Fox and fire, and
> a bit blue, earth etc. Than the signs, too narrow, too close, but i
> like the Ubuntu sign. Forgettable.
> 
Almost all that you have mentioned has already been changed in Karmic.

Also , the screenshot seems to have been taken from a virtualbox
install. Thats seems to be why the panel icons are arranged wrong.

If its from a virtualbox , instead you can take a screenshot after
creating a new user account in your system , that way you can see how
the default setup is actually meant to be.

> My opinion is that we should redesign Karmic Koala, 

A bit late for Karmic. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
Karmic Beta has already been released. So nothing more can be done for
Karmic.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Default design note

[SorinN]

Just to comment on first post.
For the best feeling after 15-20 sec
1 Vista
2 Leopard
3 Gnome (Ubuntu)

as a second opinion >>  KDE desktop can beat those listed, even
Windows 7 - but is not on the list ;)


2009/10/4 Cory K. :
> Dávid Horváth wrote:
>> Hey Dear Artists!
>>
>> I read a topic on Ubuntu.hu (Hungarian Ubuntu forum), and i would like to
>> bring you the message what i think is the conclusion of the discussion.
>> First have a look of these pictures, and observe them slowly. Try to
>> concentrate what feeling you have when you have a look at the first second,
>> and later on lets say in 15-20 seconds. If this is done, go to the next one
>> and try to analyse what you felt and compare them. Try to be objective.
>>
>> Computer 1 
>> Computer 
>> 2
>> Computer 
>> 3
>>
>> I think it is quite obvious that the first one it the most engineered. You
>> start with your eye at the right upper corner at the clock, than follow the
>> line downwards, you loose interest, but you see now the wind-generators, so
>> you fallow them. It gets boring( in a few milliseconds) but there is the
>> horizon, so you fallow that. You have a look at the icons, what are quite
>> nice. You finish, but you still can observe at the clouds and the tray, what
>> has a decent colour.
>>
>> Have a look at the second picture:
>> First you see the welcoming colours and lines. You focus on the middle of
>> this miracle(a bit down, in the middle) and observe it. Its nice. You have a
>> look next to the icons in the bottom, make you feel there are many
>> functions, and possibilities, and you stop at the smiling face. Welcoming.
>> Precise, safe. Have a look at the stars( freedom, space) and go to the right
>> side of the screen with your eye. than the right top and left side. Nice.
>> The first one had a lot more impression so far.
>>
>> Lets observe the third one.
>> Nice welcoming warm colours, you stop at the middle line. Observe it a bit.
>> Nice, smooth lines.. As there is nothing at the bottom your focus goes up to
>> the upper right corner. Bob. Red button, punctuated icons, no structure. You
>> go on the tray to the right side, a big empty space, than an unpleasant
>> question mark.. blue.. how this came here? A too simple envelope.. and
>> firefox. Firefox.. like that. Fox and fire, and a bit blue, earth etc. Than
>> the signs, too narrow, too close, but i like the Ubuntu sign. Forgettable.
>>
>> Dont get me wrong. I love Ubuntu. I really do. I want to make it better, and
>> in these days marketing is one of the most important thing everywhere. We
>> cannot afford adverts, so we have to use other tools. We cannot afford a 20
>> person big team for design, so we have to do it ourselves. Than do it nice!
>> If its big, lets make it Huge! (If its a goose, make it fat :)
>> Hungarian byword).
>>
>>
>> My opinion is that we should redesign Karmic Koala, and from now on make
>> Ubuntu a lot prettier. Compiz made a lot for Ubuntu's reputation. Why not
>> using it? Wobbling windows, special effects, turned on by default, if we
>> have a working 3d accel. Why not? We coul even do a startup script what
>> would show a 3d cube and slowly zoom on to on of the desktops. Would be
>> amazing.
>>
>
> Generally, I agree with your post (welcome btw) but as we (being this
> list) having no control over the default art, it will be a little hard
> for us to:
>
> "redesign Karmic Koala, and from now on make Ubuntu a lot prettier."
>
> This list is for community art. We do have projects aimed to "make
> Ubuntu a lot prettier" just not by default. :) That's Canonicals call.
>
> Stick around though. There are many projects going on lately that are
> alot of fun.
>
>
> -Cory K.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Default design note

[Cory K.]

Dávid Horváth wrote:
> Hey Dear Artists!
>
> I read a topic on Ubuntu.hu (Hungarian Ubuntu forum), and i would like to
> bring you the message what i think is the conclusion of the discussion.
> First have a look of these pictures, and observe them slowly. Try to
> concentrate what feeling you have when you have a look at the first second,
> and later on lets say in 15-20 seconds. If this is done, go to the next one
> and try to analyse what you felt and compare them. Try to be objective.
>
> Computer 1 
> Computer 
> 2
> Computer 
> 3
>
> I think it is quite obvious that the first one it the most engineered. You
> start with your eye at the right upper corner at the clock, than follow the
> line downwards, you loose interest, but you see now the wind-generators, so
> you fallow them. It gets boring( in a few milliseconds) but there is the
> horizon, so you fallow that. You have a look at the icons, what are quite
> nice. You finish, but you still can observe at the clouds and the tray, what
> has a decent colour.
>
> Have a look at the second picture:
> First you see the welcoming colours and lines. You focus on the middle of
> this miracle(a bit down, in the middle) and observe it. Its nice. You have a
> look next to the icons in the bottom, make you feel there are many
> functions, and possibilities, and you stop at the smiling face. Welcoming.
> Precise, safe. Have a look at the stars( freedom, space) and go to the right
> side of the screen with your eye. than the right top and left side. Nice.
> The first one had a lot more impression so far.
>
> Lets observe the third one.
> Nice welcoming warm colours, you stop at the middle line. Observe it a bit.
> Nice, smooth lines.. As there is nothing at the bottom your focus goes up to
> the upper right corner. Bob. Red button, punctuated icons, no structure. You
> go on the tray to the right side, a big empty space, than an unpleasant
> question mark.. blue.. how this came here? A too simple envelope.. and
> firefox. Firefox.. like that. Fox and fire, and a bit blue, earth etc. Than
> the signs, too narrow, too close, but i like the Ubuntu sign. Forgettable.
>
> Dont get me wrong. I love Ubuntu. I really do. I want to make it better, and
> in these days marketing is one of the most important thing everywhere. We
> cannot afford adverts, so we have to use other tools. We cannot afford a 20
> person big team for design, so we have to do it ourselves. Than do it nice!
> If its big, lets make it Huge! (If its a goose, make it fat :)
> Hungarian byword).
>
>
> My opinion is that we should redesign Karmic Koala, and from now on make
> Ubuntu a lot prettier. Compiz made a lot for Ubuntu's reputation. Why not
> using it? Wobbling windows, special effects, turned on by default, if we
> have a working 3d accel. Why not? We coul even do a startup script what
> would show a 3d cube and slowly zoom on to on of the desktops. Would be
> amazing.
>   

Generally, I agree with your post (welcome btw) but as we (being this
list) having no control over the default art, it will be a little hard
for us to:

"redesign Karmic Koala, and from now on make Ubuntu a lot prettier."

This list is for community art. We do have projects aimed to "make
Ubuntu a lot prettier" just not by default. :) That's Canonicals call.

Stick around though. There are many projects going on lately that are
alot of fun.


-Cory K.

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