Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A site using the same fonts for both elements: http://maddox.xmission.com/ Alright, so it isn't using the same font. Bad example. Ashton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
Ashton wrote: * Ubuntu Brainstorm logo I'd argue that all these other uses, aside from the obvious kubuntu, edubuntu, etc, dilute the brand significance, and are a mis-use of what should be thought of as part of the circle of friends logo. Not something meant to ubuntu-i-fize other ordinary text. Even the tag line. Obviously, what is done is done, and it is too late now. ubuntu in a different font didn't look right to us, especially not right next to the logo referencing the circle of friends. brainstorm is part of the name, not a tag line, so it had to be in the same font for things to not fall apart. I found it to be very hard to use any other font right next to the ubuntu title. I don't see how it would dilute the brand to use given characteristics of the brand for association. -- Thorsten Wilms Unbegrenzter Speicher, Top-Spamschutz, 120 SMS und eigene E-MailDomain inkl. http://office.freenet.de/dienste/emailoffice/produktuebersicht/power/mail/index.html -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
That is a SWEET bug. Where to file is my question Sent from my iPod On Jul 17, 2008, at 9:38 PM, Justin Dugger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Jan Claeys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op woensdag 16-07-2008 om 22:37 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Justin Dugger: I'm not saying that we should necessarily override these, but we should at least understand them, accept that which is good and improve that which can be improved. Some of your remarks might be caused by rendering issues, some might be because he thinks they make the font better. I guess only he can answer that though... :) (He's a professional typeface designer, so his reasons for these changes might be sound--except for 0 O looking the same maybe). Here's the thing -- we don't have to worry about stepping on artist's toes or hurting feelings. I'm sure the narrowing strokes and others are intentional. But are they better? But as things stand, he has his font and Ubuntu ships something else. The license should mean anyone who disagrees is free to walk away, and anyone who likes it is free to borrow some or all of it. (I should mention the ambiguous nature of font design rights, but I'm hardly an IP lawyer). I'm honored that a professional took the time to demonstrate his talents with this font; the mark of a professional in any field is being open to review. More productively, does anyone else get blanks when loading the current font into FontForge? Steps I take to reproduce: 1. Install FontForge from universe: sudo apt-get install fontforge 2. Download the source package to ttf-ubuntu-title apt-get source ttf-ubuntu-title 3. Open the FontForge .sfd: fontforge ttf-ubuntu-title-0.3/Ubuntu-Title.sfd 4. Note the lack of glyphs. 5. Open the .ttf instead and see wonderous glyphs ready for editing. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Justin Dugger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not saying that we should necessarily override these, but we should at least understand them, accept that which is good and improve that which can be improved. I always assumed it (the font) to be a convenience in order to display the brand consistently. I've never really thought of using it for anything other than ubuntu. Are there any examples where it is used for other purposes? I understand the original post was attempting to use it in a biz card, and I suppose I can see the use there, thought not the necessity. Does FedEx, for example have their logo dual-purposed as a font? Not trying to negate the effort to fix or otherwise improve the ubuntu-title font. The thread just got me thinking and thought I'd share. Ashton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:11 AM, Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Justin Dugger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not saying that we should necessarily override these, but we should at least understand them, accept that which is good and improve that which can be improved. I always assumed it (the font) to be a convenience in order to display the brand consistently. I've never really thought of using it for anything other than ubuntu. Are there any examples where it is used for other purposes? I understand the original post was attempting to use it in a biz card, and I suppose I can see the use there, thought not the necessity. Does FedEx, for example have their logo dual-purposed as a font? Not trying to negate the effort to fix or otherwise improve the ubuntu-title font. The thread just got me thinking and thought I'd share. Ashton The font is used in other promotional materials and lettering. Just a quick listing off the top of my head: * the tag line Linux for human beings * The Full Circle Magazine * Ubuntu Brainstorm logo * Anywhere you'd like to convey an association with Ubuntu * Tons of other promotional materials Additionally, I thought it'd be nice for Ubuntu business cards. I've also been looking for a handwritten font style suitable for the training mode of CellWriter for better prompting, maybe it's a bit too stylized, but I thought I'd give it a shot. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
Op woensdag 16-07-2008 om 22:37 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Justin Dugger: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Jan Claeys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we (= Ubuntu) should still try to work with him... I'm saying that we should exclude anyone; but if you look at the font in detail there's significant changes: * Many of the strokes have been tapered; take a look at b for example * the t ascender was shortened * the s and k shapes were significantly tweaked * the font seems to render bigger in Inkscape than what's in hardy. * 0 and O are indistinguishable I'm not saying that we should necessarily override these, but we should at least understand them, accept that which is good and improve that which can be improved. Some of your remarks might be caused by rendering issues, some might be because he thinks they make the font better. I guess only he can answer that though... :) (He's a professional typeface designer, so his reasons for these changes might be sound--except for 0 O looking the same maybe). -- Jan Claeys -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:59 AM, Justin Dugger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The font is used in other promotional materials and lettering. Just a quick listing off the top of my head: * the tag line Linux for human beings * The Full Circle Magazine * Ubuntu Brainstorm logo * Anywhere you'd like to convey an association with Ubuntu * Tons of other promotional materials I'd argue that all these other uses, aside from the obvious kubuntu, edubuntu, etc, dilute the brand significance, and are a mis-use of what should be thought of as part of the circle of friends logo. Not something meant to ubuntu-i-fize other ordinary text. Even the tag line. Obviously, what is done is done, and it is too late now. Ashton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:59 AM, Justin Dugger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The font is used in other promotional materials and lettering. Just a quick listing off the top of my head: * the tag line Linux for human beings * The Full Circle Magazine * Ubuntu Brainstorm logo * Anywhere you'd like to convey an association with Ubuntu * Tons of other promotional materials I'd argue that all these other uses, aside from the obvious kubuntu, edubuntu, etc, dilute the brand significance, and are a mis-use of what should be thought of as part of the circle of friends logo. Not something meant to ubuntu-i-fize other ordinary text. Even the tag line. Obviously, what is done is done, and it is too late now. Well, this is more Advertising discussion, but while it might dilute the significance, it also broadens it's meaning. You can't have the tag line be a different font, that's ugly and stupid. You could do without the tag line, but then you're not really saying anything at all, which might be fine for a boot screen, but for anything more you probably want to avoid mixing fonts if the logo is central to the work. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Jan Claeys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op woensdag 16-07-2008 om 22:37 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Justin Dugger: I'm not saying that we should necessarily override these, but we should at least understand them, accept that which is good and improve that which can be improved. Some of your remarks might be caused by rendering issues, some might be because he thinks they make the font better. I guess only he can answer that though... :) (He's a professional typeface designer, so his reasons for these changes might be sound--except for 0 O looking the same maybe). Here's the thing -- we don't have to worry about stepping on artist's toes or hurting feelings. I'm sure the narrowing strokes and others are intentional. But are they better? But as things stand, he has his font and Ubuntu ships something else. The license should mean anyone who disagrees is free to walk away, and anyone who likes it is free to borrow some or all of it. (I should mention the ambiguous nature of font design rights, but I'm hardly an IP lawyer). I'm honored that a professional took the time to demonstrate his talents with this font; the mark of a professional in any field is being open to review. More productively, does anyone else get blanks when loading the current font into FontForge? Steps I take to reproduce: 1. Install FontForge from universe: sudo apt-get install fontforge 2. Download the source package to ttf-ubuntu-title apt-get source ttf-ubuntu-title 3. Open the FontForge .sfd: fontforge ttf-ubuntu-title-0.3/Ubuntu-Title.sfd 4. Note the lack of glyphs. 5. Open the .ttf instead and see wonderous glyphs ready for editing. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Justin Dugger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, this is more Advertising discussion, but while it might dilute the significance, it also broadens it's meaning. You can't have the tag line be a different font, that's ugly and stupid. It's the rule eh? More often than not, tag lines are separated out from the logo/title...using fonts. http://consumerist.com/ http://www.dooce.com/ http://www.amplesanity.com/ http://waiterrant.net/ http://gofugyourself.celebuzz.com/ http://www.boingboing.net/ http://lifehacker.com/ A site using the same fonts for both elements: http://maddox.xmission.com/ Also, it can't dilute /while/ broadening right? It would have to be one or the other. Ashton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
Jan Claeys wrote: Op maandag 14-07-2008 om 15:32 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Justin Dugger: Christian Robertson released an improved font (http://betatype.com/node/36) but it was made in fontlab rather than with Ubuntu tools, making it difficult for the Artwork Team to maintain the font. Part of the work may be to integrate his changes, but looking over the changes he's made I'm not sure I agree with all of them. I think we (= Ubuntu) should still try to work with him... He has already been contacted by Canonical. What the status is, I have no clue. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Justin Dugger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ubuntu Artwork Team, I've been tweaking an Ubuntu business card design a little bit, and during this discovered the following bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ttf-ubuntu-title/+bug/247016. It was suggested by a triager that I bring it up on the list, so here I am. What I'd like to do is bring the ubuntu-title font up to everyday usable standards. ubuntu-title is a recognizable branding font, used in the logos, boot screen, advertising and even some fan magazines. The title font has improved in its more recent revisions but too many of the letters are shaped oddly for general use imho. The problematic letter we bumped into most recently was lower case 'w'. I'm using Arial Rounded MT Bold which is a harmonious (but non-free) substitute. Another nice rounded font that was suggested by the Web Presence team is MgOpen Modata, and one that was recommended but which I haven't tried is LMSansDemiCondensed Regular available in the lmodern package in Ubuntu (part of TeX). -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Matthew Nuzum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The title font has improved in its more recent revisions but too many of the letters are shaped oddly for general use imho. The problematic letter we bumped into most recently was lower case 'w'. Is there anyone in particular who handled the revisions? Is it someone in marketing? I'm using Arial Rounded MT Bold which is a harmonious (but non-free) substitute. Another nice rounded font that was suggested by the Web Presence team is MgOpen Modata, and one that was recommended but which I haven't tried is LMSansDemiCondensed Regular available in the lmodern package in Ubuntu (part of TeX). Yet another non-free (sorry) font to add to this list : Vag Roundedhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAG_Rounded(Adobe) Ashton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Matthew Nuzum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The title font has improved in its more recent revisions but too many of the letters are shaped oddly for general use imho. The problematic letter we bumped into most recently was lower case 'w'. Christian Robertson released an improved font (http://betatype.com/node/36) but it was made in fontlab rather than with Ubuntu tools, making it difficult for the Artwork Team to maintain the font. Part of the work may be to integrate his changes, but looking over the changes he's made I'm not sure I agree with all of them. I'm using Arial Rounded MT Bold which is a harmonious (but non-free) substitute. Another nice rounded font that was suggested by the Web Presence team is MgOpen Modata, and one that was recommended but which I haven't tried is LMSansDemiCondensed Regular available in the lmodern package in Ubuntu (part of TeX). I appreciate the offers to find another font, but I'd rather put my effort into something unique to Ubuntu than just give up. If the above works, then I think we can have a much better font by intrepid release. At the very least, can we agree that the g glyph shipped in hardy is not correct? Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Justin Dugger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appreciate the offers to find another font, but I'd rather put my effort into something unique to Ubuntu than just give up. If the above works, then I think we can have a much better font by intrepid release. At the very least, can we agree that the g glyph shipped in hardy is not correct? I agree - that bug you pointed out shows the need for attention. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Matthew Nuzum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Justin Dugger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appreciate the offers to find another font, but I'd rather put my effort into something unique to Ubuntu than just give up. If the above works, then I think we can have a much better font by intrepid release. At the very least, can we agree that the g glyph shipped in hardy is not correct? I agree - that bug you pointed out shows the need for attention. Could you mark it confirmed, noting your agreement and referencing this conversation? It's poor form for me to confirm my own bug. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Justin Dugger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Matthew Nuzum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree - that bug you pointed out shows the need for attention. Could you mark it confirmed, noting your agreement and referencing this conversation? It's poor form for me to confirm my own bug. Done. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] ubuntu title font
Op 21-jun-2006, om 23:29 heeft Niel Drummond het volgende geschreven: On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:27:59 +0200 Michiel Sikma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ ubuntu-art-titlefont can you make ubuntu-art the assignee to this spec, so it'll show up on the main ubuntu-artwork spec page https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-art/+specs and so we can attach the updated title font to your spec? thanks - Niel Drummond Michiel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Yes, done. I'll make a proper spec page later. Michiel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] ubuntu title font
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:27:59 +0200 Michiel Sikma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ ubuntu-art-titlefont can you make ubuntu-art the assignee to this spec, so it'll show up on the main ubuntu-artwork spec page https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-art/+specs and so we can attach the updated title font to your spec? thanks - Niel Drummond Michiel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] ubuntu title font
hi, Am Dienstag, den 20.06.2006, 08:32 +0100 schrieb Mark Shuttleworth: Andy Fitzsimon did the first versions of the Ubuntu font - I think he did it by hand and it was his first font, so cleanup / patches / improvements welcome! if you do changes, please use the sourcepackage from the archive as a base and feel free to send the changes to me to get them included in the package. ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] ubuntu title font
Op 20-jun-2006, om 9:39 heeft Oliver Grawert het volgende geschreven: hi, Am Dienstag, den 20.06.2006, 08:32 +0100 schrieb Mark Shuttleworth: Andy Fitzsimon did the first versions of the Ubuntu font - I think he did it by hand and it was his first font, so cleanup / patches / improvements welcome! if you do changes, please use the sourcepackage from the archive as a base and feel free to send the changes to me to get them included in the package. ciao oli -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art I think that it would be a good idea to schedule an improvement drive for this font. It's the Ubuntu title font, afterall, and used in the official logo. Any improvements must be carefully considered. I've opened a spec for it here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ ubuntu-art-titlefont Michiel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] ubuntu title font
On 6/19/06, j michaelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello all, i've downloaded the ubuntu title font and i don't wish to sound rude, but it's a little rough around the edges. i was using it in inkscape and i noticed that some of the letters aren't very smooth. on closer inspection some of the letters have way more nodes than are neccesary for the shape of the letter. all these extra nodes add irregularities to the outline of the letters and spoil their smoothness. the letter u is a good example of this, it uses 22 nodes to draw the letter, when only 10 are needed (i checked). does anyone know if these letters were designed on a computer program or were they drawn by hand and then converted? john m. I think (note that) the original logo was created by hand, then enough people said they wished they had the font for new artwork that someone took it upon themselves to make a functional font. I know the details are out there in the mailing list archive and probably the package for the font. Sorry for the sketchy details, and sorry also for not having names and links for reference. I personally have a great respect for the artist who created the text in the original logo. I've not used the title font so can't speak with authority on that aspect. -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
