Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) <
rand...@executiv.es> wrote:

> @mzc
> I agree.
>
> @faldegast:
> 1) Why would we market a kernel?
> 2) Running Ubuntu on scrap/old is not putting our best foot forward, and
> creates support issues.
> 3) For the server side, we have Ubuntu Server.
> 4) Ubuntu Software Centre is just that: a store for Ubuntu-compatible
> software. The extension of USC to non-Ubuntu platforms would be
> nightmarish in complexity.
>
>
> On 10-10-22 10:37 AM, mzc wrote:
> > @faldegast. You are suggesting an approach that led to mandriva 's
> > downfall.
> > On Oct 22, 2010 10:26 AM, "Faldegast" <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:
> >> What i suggest for Ubuntu is the following:
> >>
> >> 1. A Ubuntu/Linux/Elf software store. It should be designed so that it
> >> can ship applications for many OS:es, not just Ubuntu.
> >>
> >> 2. A Ubuntu Pro commercial offering. Including boxed Ubuntu, a manual,
> >> and support. Also some commercial stuff like DVD player.
> >>
> >> Ubuntu currently has Fluendo Windows Media and MP3 Playback Pack,
> Fluendo
> > Complete Playback Pack and PowerDVD Linux in its online shop. These
> should
> > either be provided trough a software store, or included in "Ubuntu Pro".
> >> I would also see more commercial Linux applications there. For example i
> > know there is a Ubuntu version of Majesty. I know for sure that i would
> buy
> > that.
> >> 3. Both of above need a reseller plan. OEMs that preinstall a software
> >> store or Ubuntu Pro have to make money out of it. And Ubuntu pro should
> >> not be cheap.
> >>
> >> A software store and a commercial Linux with a distribution network is
> >> what we need. I am certain that this is exactly what we need. For
> >> servers we have RHEL but for clients the only thing available is
> >> Mandriva, but they effort to build a distribution network is to weak.
> >> They focus on an online store, and I believe thats their weakness.
> >> Operating Systems is OEM products and they are usually sold with
> >> computers, so we must target the OEM builders.
> >>
> >> While i have talked a lot about technology on this issue, technology is
> >> not a #1 bug issue. We have technology, what we need to fix bug #1 is
> >> marketing.
> >>
> >> There is no reason why Linux should have less usage share then OS X.
> >> Linux can run on much more hardware that OS X supports, and it have a
> >> great community.
> >>
> >> On another front, i think the idea of recycling old computers with
> >> Ubuntu and give them to those that cannot afford a brand new PC is
> >> excellent. I have done this a lot with lubuntu on really old computers.
> >> I also have a ThinLinc server that can be used to run applications that
> >> old computers are to weak to run. Its not fast enough for youtube,
> >> however they can play mpeg2. Perhaps an application like minitube can
> >> use a proxy server for transcoding to mpeg2 before a clip reach the old
> >> box?
> >>
> >>
> >>> Martin,
> >>>
> >>> True. Again i agree with that and i think we are in agreement again. So
> > the
> >>> various points people have made are valid except where we talk about
> > noobs
> >>> installing.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Surely a shop that installs to perhaps tens of machines has time to
> play
> > around
> >>> with even just 1 and has probably noticed all the quirkiness of
> > installing
> >>> Windows onto a wide range of very different machines and might realise
> > that
> >>> lack of knowledge might be the main barrier to a smoother install of
> > Ubuntu (or
> >>> other distro). Perhaps it is those people that we should target rather
> > than
> >>> normal users or people that do the odd one or two. Continuing to
> approach
> > both
> >>> is probably still best.
> >>>
> >>> Regards from
> >>> Tom :)
> >> --
> >> Microsoft has a majority market share
> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> >> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> >> of the bug.
> >>
> >> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> >> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> >> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> >> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> >> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> >> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> >> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> >> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress
> >> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> >> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> >> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> >> Status in Tv-Player: New
> >> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> >> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> >> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Inval

Re: RE: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 1:37 PM, mzc <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

> @faldegast. You are suggesting an approach that led to mandriva 's
> downfall.
> On Oct 22, 2010 10:26 AM, "Faldegast" <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:
> >
> > What i suggest for Ubuntu is the following:
> >
> > 1. A Ubuntu/Linux/Elf software store. It should be designed so that it
> > can ship applications for many OS:es, not just Ubuntu.
> >
> > 2. A Ubuntu Pro commercial offering. Including boxed Ubuntu, a manual,
> > and support. Also some commercial stuff like DVD player.
> >
> > Ubuntu currently has Fluendo Windows Media and MP3 Playback Pack, Fluendo
> Complete Playback Pack and PowerDVD Linux in its online shop. These should
> either be provided trough a software store, or included in "Ubuntu Pro".
> > I would also see more commercial Linux applications there. For example i
> know there is a Ubuntu version of Majesty. I know for sure that i would buy
> that.
> >
> > 3. Both of above need a reseller plan. OEMs that preinstall a software
> > store or Ubuntu Pro have to make money out of it. And Ubuntu pro should
> > not be cheap.
> >
> > A software store and a commercial Linux with a distribution network is
> > what we need. I am certain that this is exactly what we need. For
> > servers we have RHEL but for clients the only thing available is
> > Mandriva, but they effort to build a distribution network is to weak.
> > They focus on an online store, and I believe thats their weakness.
> > Operating Systems is OEM products and they are usually sold with
> > computers, so we must target the OEM builders.
> >
> > While i have talked a lot about technology on this issue, technology is
> > not a #1 bug issue. We have technology, what we need to fix bug #1 is
> > marketing.
> >
> > There is no reason why Linux should have less usage share then OS X.
> > Linux can run on much more hardware that OS X supports, and it have a
> > great community.
> >
> > On another front, i think the idea of recycling old computers with
> > Ubuntu and give them to those that cannot afford a brand new PC is
> > excellent. I have done this a lot with lubuntu on really old computers.
> > I also have a ThinLinc server that can be used to run applications that
> > old computers are to weak to run. Its not fast enough for youtube,
> > however they can play mpeg2. Perhaps an application like minitube can
> > use a proxy server for transcoding to mpeg2 before a clip reach the old
> > box?
> >
> >
> >> Martin,
> >>
> >> True. Again i agree with that and i think we are in agreement again. So
> the
> >> various points people have made are valid except where we talk about
> noobs
> >> installing.
> >>
> >>
> >> Surely a shop that installs to perhaps tens of machines has time to play
> around
> >> with even just 1 and has probably noticed all the quirkiness of
> installing
> >> Windows onto a wide range of very different machines and might realise
> that
> >> lack of knowledge might be the main barrier to a smoother install of
> Ubuntu (or
> >> other distro). Perhaps it is those people that we should target rather
> than
> >> normal users or people that do the odd one or two. Continuing to
> approach
> both
> >> is probably still best.
> >>
> >> Regards from
> >> Tom :)
> >
> > --
> > Microsoft has a majority market share
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> > of the bug.
> >
> > Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> > Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> > Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> > Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> > Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> > Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> > Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> > Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress
> > Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> > Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> > Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> > Status in Tv-Player: New
> > Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> > Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> > Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> > Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> > Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> > Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> > Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> > Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> > Status in Tilix Linux: New
> >
> > Bug description:
> > Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> > This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
> >
> > Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting acc

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Faldegast <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

>
> What i suggest for Ubuntu is the following:
>
> 1. A Ubuntu/Linux/Elf software store. It should be designed so that it
> can ship applications for many OS:es, not just Ubuntu.
>
> 2. A Ubuntu Pro commercial offering. Including boxed Ubuntu, a manual,
> and support. Also some commercial stuff like DVD player.
>
> Ubuntu currently has Fluendo Windows Media and MP3 Playback Pack, Fluendo
> Complete Playback Pack and PowerDVD Linux in its online shop. These should
> either be provided trough a software store, or included in "Ubuntu Pro".
> I would also see more commercial Linux applications there. For example i
> know there is a Ubuntu version of Majesty. I know for sure that i would buy
> that.
>
> 3. Both of above need a reseller plan. OEMs that preinstall a software
> store or Ubuntu Pro have to make money out of it. And Ubuntu pro should
> not be cheap.
>
> A software store and a commercial Linux with a distribution network is
> what we need. I am certain that this is exactly what we need. For
> servers we have RHEL but for clients the only thing available is
> Mandriva, but they effort to build a distribution network is to weak.
> They focus on an online store, and I believe thats their weakness.
> Operating Systems is OEM products and they are usually sold with
> computers, so we must target the OEM builders.
>
> While i have talked a lot about technology on this issue, technology is
> not a #1 bug issue. We have technology, what we need to fix bug #1 is
> marketing.
>
> There is no reason why Linux should have less usage share then OS X.
> Linux can run on much more hardware that OS X supports, and it have a
> great community.
>
> On another front, i think the idea of recycling old computers with
> Ubuntu and give them to those that cannot afford a brand new PC is
> excellent. I have done this a lot with lubuntu on really old computers.
> I also have a ThinLinc server that can be used to run applications that
> old computers are to weak to run. Its not fast enough for youtube,
> however they can play mpeg2. Perhaps an application like minitube can
> use a proxy server for transcoding to mpeg2 before a clip reach the old
> box?
>
>
> > Martin,
> >
> > True.  Again i agree with that and i think we are in agreement again.  So
> the
> > various points people have made are valid except where we talk about
> noobs
> > installing.
> >
> >
> > Surely a shop that installs to  perhaps tens of machines has time to play
> around
> > with even just 1 and has probably noticed all the quirkiness of
> installing
> > Windows  onto a wide range of very different machines and might realise
> that
> > lack of knowledge might be the main barrier to a smoother install of
> Ubuntu (or
> > other distro).  Perhaps it is those people that we should target rather
> than
> > normal users or people that do the odd one or two.  Continuing to
> approach both
> > is probably still best.
> >
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have n

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) <
rand...@executiv.es> wrote:

> Ubuntu awareness (and use) is very very low by our measurements so far.
> We're conducting random public surveys in Vancouver BC to get an actual
> percentage. Our goal is 1000 people asked "What is Ubuntu?"
> We're not publishing until we have a stastistically valid sample. Stay
> tuned for results ;)
> Want to try it in your city/town? Email me for the methodology.
>
>
> On 10-10-21 10:55 AM, Tom wrote:
> > 4% or perhaps higher seems about right to me.  i keep bumping into people
> that
> > have heard of Ubuntu.  Not all the time but it does happen
> >
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>
>

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Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

> or we could just keep going as we are to achieve critical mass
>
> http://blogs.eweek.com/applewatch/content/macbook/microsoft_ceo_scoffs_at_mac_share_gains.html
>
>
> http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/09/debunking-the-1-myth.html
>
> 4% or perhaps higher seems about right to me.  i keep bumping into people
> that
> have heard of Ubuntu.  Not all the time but it does happen
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>
>

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Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:26 PM, mzc <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

> Bug #1 description is outdated!   Microsoft windows is a fading os due to
> its failure to innovate.  We should focus more on why do i use this _
> os, what apps do use in the ___that i cannot find in Ubuntu os.  I
> saying this because for the past few years,Apple has successfully gained
> market for Macs and ios devices,  while Google has also published success
> on
> their Apps.  Hence, where does Ubuntu os stands.  IMO, Ubuntu is in right
> path with its current release, but we have to focus on innovation to break
> to critical mass.
> On Oct 21, 2010 7:43 AM, "Artem Karimov"  wrote:
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>
>

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Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Martin Wildam <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 14:07, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:
> > This bug report is not about how difficult or easy OSes are to install.
>  It is
> > about how difficult it is to buy a machine with a decent OS
> pre-installed.
>
> Yes, thanks for reminding. But wouldn't it be more likely that more
> systems come with Ubuntu preinstalled, if it is more easy to install
> it? At least for the small PC shop around the corner it should be.
>
> Bigger shops for sure have everything automated. But how do they do
> when a new model appears? At least for the first of a new product line
> they must do it manually, isn't it?
>
> --
> Martin Wildam
>
> http://www.google.com/profiles/mwildam
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>
>

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Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:14 PM, houstonbofh <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

> On 10/20/2010 02:21 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote:
>
> > When I get a new system (which I get regularly) after it is assembled it
> > take me 1 to 1.5 hours to install Windows, the drivers and the necessary
> > software to get it to function at 100% efficiency.  I don't have the time
> to
> > fart around and mess with Operating systems and drivers that don't even
> run
> > on a double click from the mouse, nor do I have the time to learn a new
> > programing language (although I do know a few), no thank you.
>
> I have expertise in both Windows and Linux.  Windows takes longer.
> Mainly it is the massive amount of reboots between updates and drivers.
>  Also, the install is far to interactive, not set it and forget it.  As
> an aside, the only programming language I know is Perl, and I haven't
> really used in in years.
>
> > Let me give you an example, I installed Ubuntu 10.10RC on an AMD machine
> > with an Asus board and an XFX HD 5770.  When it came time to install the
> ATI
> > drivers from ATI, I ran the package and it said nothing to me so I
> rebooted
> > and guess what, it was not installed. So I then proceeded to install the
> > third party drivers that Ubuntu suggested.  Well, what a great performing
> > card It gave 50GFLOPS instead of the 1400GFLOPS Windows gives me.
> > I don't have time to fart around for days or weeks to get the machine
> > working 100%.
>
> You installed a beta, and it was not perfect?  Really?  And those Vista
> betas were so smooth...  And you had ATI driver problems?  That is
> surely an Ubuntu issue.
> http://www.google.com/search?q=ati+driver+problems  Or maybe not.  And
> why did you go the the ATI website first?  Oh, yes...  You picked up
> that habit from Windows.  In Ubuntu, you go to the repos first.  And
> yes, the ATI Linux drivers are worse than the Windows drivers for many
> ATI cards.  One reason I like nVidia. (On both platforms)
>
> > When Ubuntu is as easy to install as Windows, then I will have another
> look
> > at it.
>
> You want Ubuntu to be as easy for a beginner to install with no
> experience as Windows is for an expert with years of experience.  That
> is the bug...  Unreasonable expectations.  And the thought that
> "Windows" is "Computer" and if you know "Windows" you know "computers."
>  Not so helpfull with Mac, Linux, HP-UX, Aix, Solaris, AS400, VMS, or a
> number of accounting specific systems.  Now if you give the same test to
> your grandmother, I bet Linux is easier.
>
> And this is the reason I responded.  People keep looking at the wrong
> bug.  The bug is that we did not tell you this BEFORE you started.  Now
> it is too late...
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> Wha

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

> So 30mins to install Ubuntu against 1hr30 to install Windows.
>
> Did the Windows system then need upgrades or additional software?  After
> the
> first round of updates and reboot  were all the drivers, codecs and new
> programs
> all up-to-date and fully patched?
>
> Installing a system you know well (Windows), with the standard preparation
> you
> do before an install to that particular set of hardware does not really
> compare
> against installing a system you have no experience with and have not
> prepared
> for in advance.
>
> Comparing is difficult when you are not comparing like with like.
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>
>

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Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) <
rand...@executiv.es> wrote:

> Did you bother to check which systems are certified first?
> http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/
>
> Think of your experiences in the Windows world. You likely have used
> hardware that is stickered "Windows Ready", "Works with Windows" etc.
>
> The Ubuntu world is no different, and Ubuntu does NOT work on
> everything. Please reset expectations accordingly.
>
> More here if you are interested:
> http://randall.executiv.es/uwoe3
>
>
> On 10-10-20 11:21 AM, Setve Gentilly wrote:
> > Hi again,
> >
> > Let me explain it another way so that you may have a better idea of what
> I
> > am trying to explain here.
> >
> > I only buy products from some of the following manufactures; XFX, EVGA,
> > Asus, Cooler Master, OCZ, Westen Digital, Silverstone, Corsair, Samsung,
> > etc., etc., etc.
> > When I get a new system (which I get regularly) after it is assembled it
> > take me 1 to 1.5 hours to install Windows, the drivers and the necessary
> > software to get it to function at 100% efficiency.  I don't have the time
> to
> > fart around and mess with Operating systems and drivers that don't even
> run
> > on a double click from the mouse, nor do I have the time to learn a new
> > programing language (although I do know a few), no thank you.
> > Let me give you an example, I installed Ubuntu 10.10RC on an AMD machine
> > with an Asus board and an XFX HD 5770.  When it came time to install the
> ATI
> > drivers from ATI, I ran the package and it said nothing to me so I
> rebooted
> > and guess what, it was not installed. So I then proceeded to install the
> > third party drivers that Ubuntu suggested.  Well, what a great performing
> > card It gave 50GFLOPS instead of the 1400GFLOPS Windows gives me.
> > I don't have time to fart around for days or weeks to get the machine
> > working 100%.
> >
> > When Ubuntu is as easy to install as Windows, then I will have another
> look
> > at it.
> > Not till then...
> >
> > Regards,
> > Gentilli.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh <1...@bugs.launchpad.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu
> >> does
> >>> not have the necessary drivers.
> >>> There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video
> >>> drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my
> >>> add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu.
> >>> My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu
> works
> >> on.
> >>> So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in
> >> cards
> >>> and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house.
> >> I don't believe you.  I have high end machines too...  They all work.
> >> (About 25)  Some took some effort, but only a few systems with old and
> >> cheap stuff.  This is being typed on a Gigabyte X58A-UD3R motherboard
> >> with a Inetl Corei7 Quad core, and nVidia GTS250 graphics with 24 gig of
> >> ram.  (Work system, so that is why the low end graphics)  Worked out of
> >> the box with Lucid.  I believe there is a lot more to your story.  Like
> >> perhaps your "high end" stuff is the cheapest Chinese components you can
> >> source...  And they don't have drivers?Those can take a bit
> >> more effort.  Or perhaps the well known Intel i855 graphics chipset bug?
> >>  (Fixed in Maverik, by the way)
> >>
> >> Only being willing to put an hour into learning a new system is not a
> >> bug we can easily patch.
> >>
> >> But if you want help, go ahead and e-mail me.  I bet I can find drivers
> >> for much of your stuff.
> >>
> >>
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: In

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Artem Karimov  wrote:

> Just specify your problem as precisely as possible, without missing
> any details. This way we will either generate a solution to your
> problem or, at least, a work-around.
>
> On 21 October 2010 09:19, Setve Gentilly <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:
> > Hi Kip,
> >
> > I would like you to understand the following,
> >
> > I hate Microsoft, I hate what they are doing, I hate what they stand for
> and
> > what I hate the most is having to pay hard earned money for 0's and 1's.
> > I love the Open Source concept and it should be the *ONLY* way to go.
> > There is NOTHING MORE I would like than to be able to use Ubuntu on all
> my
> > machines.  I am constantly looking for Microsoft alternatives. I have
> been
> > in computers since 1992 and all my learned experience is on Dos, Windows
> > (Microsoft Certifications), some Netware and very little on Linux.
> > I am now retired and for some weird reason I am busier now than I was in
> the
> > past. I do a lot of charitable work repairing and fixing defective
> computers
> > for people who cannot afford to bring their PC's to the repair shop.
> >  Unfortunately 99% of the people have Windows installed on their PC's.
>  And
> > that I can fix. I would love nothing better than to replace some of these
> > people's unlicensed OS with Ubuntu.
> > But unfortunately I don't have the know how or experience to do that
> because
> > I don't find Ubuntu user friendly (from a Windows perspective).
> >
> > So if one of you SMUCKS (wink, lol) is willing to put the effort in my
> > proposed project, then I am willing to put in 150% effort to do this.
> > And yes I will become responsible for spreading Ubuntu on (at least) a
> small
> > to medium scale.
> >
> > What do you think,  can we do this???
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Gentilli.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Kip Warner  wrote:
> >
> >> Beautifully said Randall. You touched the essence of why the consumer
> >> zombies just doesn't understand the world of free software. They
> >> generally just want to consume and produce nothing.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Microsoft has a majority market share
> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> >> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> >> of the bug.
> >>
> >> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> >> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> >> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> >> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> >> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> >> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> >> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> >> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress
> >> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> >> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> >> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> >> Status in Tv-Player: New
> >> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> >> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> >> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> >> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> >> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> >> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> >> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> >> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> >> Status in Tilix Linux: New
> >>
> >> Bug description:
> >> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> >> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
> >>
> >> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> >> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> >> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full
> potential,
> >> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
> >>
> >> Steps to repeat:
> >>
> >> 1. Visit a local PC store.
> >>
> >> What happens:
> >> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free s

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

> On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu
> does
> > not have the necessary drivers.
> > There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video
> > drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my
> > add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu.
> > My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu works
> on.
> > So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in
> cards
> > and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house.
>
> I don't believe you.  I have high end machines too...  They all work.
> (About 25)  Some took some effort, but only a few systems with old and
> cheap stuff.  This is being typed on a Gigabyte X58A-UD3R motherboard
> with a Inetl Corei7 Quad core, and nVidia GTS250 graphics with 24 gig of
> ram.  (Work system, so that is why the low end graphics)  Worked out of
> the box with Lucid.  I believe there is a lot more to your story.  Like
> perhaps your "high end" stuff is the cheapest Chinese components you can
> source...  And they don't have drivers?Those can take a bit
> more effort.  Or perhaps the well known Intel i855 graphics chipset bug?
>  (Fixed in Maverik, by the way)
>
> Only being willing to put an hour into learning a new system is not a
> bug we can easily patch.
>
> But if you want help, go ahead and e-mail me.  I bet I can find drivers
> for much of your stuff.
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>
>

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Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

> This bug report is not about how difficult or easy OSes are to install.  It
> is
> about how difficult it is to buy a machine with a decent OS pre-installed.
>
> @ Martin
>
> I think we are agreeing but have semantic differences.  Imo an install is
> not
> complete until the system is tweaked and made usable for the use the user
> requires.  A basic install of Windows is not ready to use imo.  A basic
> install
> of Ubuntu is also not fully ready (imo) but has stuff ready to use that
> Windows
> doesn't and usually takes less to get it ready.
>
> To get Windows to the same level as Ubuntu you have to install many
> programs
> such as Office (i would use OpenOffice in Windows, not MicroSquish Office,
> and
> Firefox not IE for safety and security).  'Obviously' for
> OpenOffice/LibreOffice
> i would do
>
> Tools - Options - Load/Save
> to set all the defaults to the unsafe ".doc" and ".xls" ones that people
> prefer
> in the Windows-world.
>
> Then both Windows & Ubuntu need multimedia players (Vlc for both, also
> MPlayer
> for Ubuntu and hopefully Zoom Player for Windows), Gimp (for both) and
> whichever
> other packages the user would appear to need from whatever they have been
> talking about, mostly Ubuntu already covers those but Windows doesn't.
>  Ubuntu
> makes a lot of that easy by following the Community Documentation Medibuntu
> page
> but there are countless blogs, magazines and stuff either in the fake-world
> or
> online that cover the multimedia issues.
>
> Both Windows and Ubuntu need drivers for any oddly awkward hardware.  For
> Ubuntu
> these are mostly online but it may take some hunting to find them.  For
> Windows
> you might need to find that crusty old Cd that came with the device.
>  Inevitably
> some stuff wont work with Windows because "it is too old and you should buy
> a
> new device and stop being such a cheapskate".  With Ubuntu some newer stuff
> wont
> work but might do fairly soon especially if you post a bug-report about it.
>  Ati
> & NVidia have communities doing a lot of work right now and updates happen
> quite
> frequently.  Even the companies themselves are making efforts to provide
> more
> support (for fear of losing customers now linux usage is reaching above
> 4%).
> Other companies will follow their lead.
>
> Both Windows and Ubuntu will need to be updated and this is one area that
> Ubuntu
> really scores highly because it does everything, all the codecs, libraries,
> drivers, programs, packages, everything all in one go & you can walk away
> and
> leave it to get on with it with no further interaction.  Windows will
> usually
> require several reboots and requires the update process to be repeated many
> times before it is 'completely' updated.  Also Windows tends to  make a
> fuss
> about stuff requiring user-input.  Also Windows doesn't update any of the
> drivers or programs, not even free ones such as Adobe flash-player or pdf
> reader.  So an ubuntu system is fully patched and ready whereas a Windows
> one
> seldom reaches that stage.
>
> Both systems often need tweaking to set which applications are preferred
> for
> certain tasks (right-click on a file-type and set what it opens with)
> although
> with Windows you seldom get a choice and just have to be careful about
> which
> programs you install last as each one grabs control.  With Ubuntu you can
> finesse it at almost any point.
>
> However, none of this is what this bug-report is about.  All of this
> depends on
> the skill (in the particular OS they are attempting to install) of the
> person
> doing the install and how easy they find it to access useful help if they
> run
> into problems.  Again, that is not what this bug-report is about.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source packag

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Martin Wildam <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:04, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:
> > I find that after a decent install most people don't even notice that
> they are
> > using a different OS.  Firefox is there and the menus easy to navigate.
> > Documents open with a double-click.
>
> I don't fully agree - e.g. Movie player is not playing a lot of
> videos. Need to use VLC for those - so VLC must be installed and for
> different files open with must be changed to use VLC instead of movie
> player by default. I tend to instruct people to first double-click and
> when it does not work use right mouse button and open with VLC. This
> is easier than trying to find a sample for each possible format and
> change default open. Similar applies for sound formats.
>
> And there are IMHO some other first-to-dos, be it tools to install
> (like gsmartcontrol, Thunderbird, ...) and some options to change. -
> But I don't want to complain about this because I have plenty more
> first-to-dos under Win* and on Ubuntu I start the Synaptic, go once
> through the list, ticking everything I want and then save the list to
> an external file and never need to do it again manually.
>
>
> > As G stated it is the install process that is the most difficult part.
>
> No, really, the installation is straight-forward. As with 10.10 it
> either already starts preparing the harddrive while I do the last
> inputs, is awesome - as well as WLAN already available and downloading
> the updates already on the go. And with net access it already knows
> the country I am in (regarding time settings). So there is nothing
> more I wish to have.
>
>
> > We try to make that easy and many people have lists of what to do after a
> basic install
> > in blogs and websites or in magazines.
>
> One idea: You could grab the most used sets of pre-installations and
> pre-sets and offer that as additional option at installation, e.g.
> similar as Fedora does, asking the user for typical use "Home user,
> Developer, Designer/Photographer, ..." - that probably would make it
> easier for a lot of people and for Canonical it would be just running
> a few additional apt-get install lines and maybe some default
> configuration files. I personally already have some files containing
> those, so for me no problem as it.
>
> --
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>
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>
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> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
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>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
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Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 5:04 AM, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

> I find that after a decent install most people don't even notice that they
> are
> using a different OS.  Firefox is there and the menus easy to navigate.
> Documents open with a double-click.
>
> As G stated it is the install process that is the most difficult part.  We
> try
> to make that easy and many people have lists of what to do after a basic
> install
> in blogs and websites or in magazines.  Forums are quite accessible and
> documentation aimed at noobs is quite prolific but still all the difficult
> part
> of the migration process is right at the start of using linux.  This is the
> specific point of this bug#1 because a 'pre-installed' linux is very easy
> to
> use.
>
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> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
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>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>
>

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Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

ter" and if you know "Windows" you know "computers."
> >  Not so helpfull with Mac, Linux, HP-UX, Aix, Solaris, AS400, VMS, or a
> > number of accounting specific systems.  Now if you give the same test to
> > your grandmother, I bet Linux is easier.
>
> Full ACK!
>
> But: I agree that anyway it must get better, because there are plenty
> of people who care a sh* about the OS - their focus is completely
> different and they don't want to bother.
>
> But, that said, those people must be illuminated that: Even if they
> want to just pull coffee from the coffee machine or if they "just"
> want to drive a car, some knowledge of the thing you are using is
> needed to use it (efficiently). In general for every thing (be it
> technical or non-technical) there are some basics (knowledge,
> experience, training) needed to use something - and more knowledge,
> experience and training is needed to use something really efficient -
> or - to help yourself in case of a problem. - This applies for
> computers as well as for cars, giving presentations or even just your
> daily habits.
>
> And then, when people want to improve their efficiency, then it comes
> to the very special strength of Linux: There are plenty of different
> desktop environments or just window managers, plenty of look and
> feels, desktop elements like Docky (and the like - plenty of options
> available just there), look & feel, different options for writing
> office documents and and and... - According to your needs and focus!
> Remind
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Habits_of_Highly_Effective_People
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 22:25, Setve Gentilly <1...@bugs.launchpad.net>
> wrote:
> > Well it still comes down to not having drivers for stuff.
>
> Yes.
>
>
> > Thank you guys for your time, but when Ubuntu is more compatible I will
> have
> > another look at it.
>
> No, you missed the point: The hardware manufacturers sold the thingy
> to you. If you need to use Windows on that thingy because you can't
> use Linux - they don't care! - They only will care when nobody is
> buying their stuff because it is not Linux compatible! So YOU NEED TO
> CHANGE FIRST! Don't buy that crappy hardware!
>
> I tell everybody asking me for consulting which hardware to buy that
> they should look for a Linux compatible hardware, even if they don't
> plan to use Linux (now). Situation could be different in a year, so
> they should not lock themselves out from trying something new later. -
> Guess what: The last time I said that resulted in 2 weeks later
> switching to Ubuntu after the user destroyed the Windows 7 preinstall
> within a week.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 22:41, »John« <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:
> > I don't mean to be rude; I just want the message to be perfectly clear
> > because we've been through this shit for like million times already and
> > I'm simply getting sick and tired of hearing the same stupid whining
> > over and over again. Bad hardware support is always caused by stupid
> > hardware manufacturers and not the operating system in question, because
> > someone needs to write the damn drivers!
>
> You nailed it!
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 00:10, Randall Ross (rrnwexec)
>  wrote:
> > We should instead be aiming to teach people to be creators and
> > contributors, so their information access tools remain robust and enable
> > any one to get to any and all information they need to educate
> > themselves.
>
> For the very interested user, yes - but many just have different
> focus. E.g. a non-technical book author just wants to write his books
> and do conversation with readers and publishers and typically does not
> want bother with the OS. So most people are not going to read a bulk
> of documentation. Of course, for the interested user who wants to get
> more out of his/her PC, documentation should be at hand quickly and
> easy to understand.
>
> --
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>
> http://www.google.com/profiles/mwildam
>
> --
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> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabun

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:10 AM, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

> Hi :)
>
> There is not really any "must do" in linux.  Linux seems to be about
> offering
> choices, about offering freedom OF choice.  As we know Windows provides
> freedom
> FROM choice and so it is the preference for most people.
>
> I found the best way to learn how to install and use linux was to learn how
> to
> install it as a dual-boot and switch the default so that it boots into
> Windows
> automatically unless i was fast enough to choose linux at boot-up.
>
> This meant i could deal with problems at my own pace without being unable
> to use
> the machine in the normal ways i was used to.
>
> Now when i help people with ther machine's i put a dual-boot of a linux,
> usually
> Ubuntu but not always (there are smaller and lighter distros for Win98
> machines)
> and then sort the usual stuff such as "Medibuntu" and install "Gimp" fo
> photo
> editing.  I find "medibuntu" tends to sort all multimedia issues without me
> having to find drivers for things
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
>
> Finally i set-up firefox with bookmarks into Community and official
> documentation, the 2 main Answers Forums (launchpad (that is this one) and
> ubuntuforums.com) and also to the general linux answers forum at
> http://www.linuxquestions.org
> and usually to the rather excellent distrowatch because i know that soem
> discussion about other distros will crop up in conversations later
> http://distrowatch.com
>
> Then after i hand the machine back they hardly ever notice that linux is on
> their machine until we have a few chats over the next few weeks.
>
> When people have found that Windows still works normally and better/faster
> for
> the fixes i have done then it is a bit late for them to freak out about the
> FUD
> they have probably heard about it.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
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> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>
>

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Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:22 AM, Kip Warner  wrote:

> On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 05:19 +0000, Setve Gentilly wrote:
> > I would love nothing better than to replace some of these
> > people's unlicensed OS with Ubuntu.
> > But unfortunately I don't have the know how or experience to do that
> because
> > I don't find Ubuntu user friendly (from a Windows perspective).
>
> I had my mother and others on Ubuntu because, besides ethical concerns
> with non-free software, I didn't find Windows or OS X to be user
> friendly. So you see, we echo one another. There is an old saying, There
> is no technical solution to an attitude problem.
>
> You must be more specific in what you did not find user friendly.
>
> --
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> OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred
> http://www.thevertigo.com
>
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> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
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>

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Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Kip Warner  wrote:

> Beautifully said Randall. You touched the essence of why the consumer
> zombies just doesn't understand the world of free software. They
> generally just want to consume and produce nothing.
>
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> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
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> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
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Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

> On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu
> does
> > not have the necessary drivers.
> > There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video
> > drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my
> > add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu.
> > My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu works
> on.
> > So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in
> cards
> > and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house.
>
> I don't believe you.  I have high end machines too...  They all work.
> (About 25)  Some took some effort, but only a few systems with old and
> cheap stuff.  This is being typed on a Gigabyte X58A-UD3R motherboard
> with a Inetl Corei7 Quad core, and nVidia GTS250 graphics with 24 gig of
> ram.  (Work system, so that is why the low end graphics)  Worked out of
> the box with Lucid.  I believe there is a lot more to your story.  Like
> perhaps your "high end" stuff is the cheapest Chinese components you can
> source...  And they don't have drivers?Those can take a bit
> more effort.  Or perhaps the well known Intel i855 graphics chipset bug?
>  (Fixed in Maverik, by the way)
>
> Only being willing to put an hour into learning a new system is not a
> bug we can easily patch.
>
> But if you want help, go ahead and e-mail me.  I bet I can find drivers
> for much of your stuff.
>
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> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
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> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>
>

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Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:03 AM, kredh <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

> ** Branch linked: lp:kassie
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
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Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:32 PM, »John« <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

> > If we (society) are "training" our students purely to be "users"
> (consumers) of software then we will see the exact effect that you
> describe (in the domain of OS'es and computing, at least). (Bug #1 has
> in effect created a whole generation of consumers who view computers as
> a way to get to entertainment).
>
> In other words "we get what we deserve/ask for". Maybe we should really
> change the status to "won't fix" after all, for obvious reasons; but I
> guess it's better to stay positive and go on with "in progress", waiting
> for a radical global change of mind (hopefully somewhere in the near
> future) or we're screwed anyway.
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
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Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) <
rand...@executiv.es> wrote:

> The concept of a computer being a "bicycle for the mind" might be
> helpful here, and might be worth revisiting.
>
> If we (society) are "training" our students purely to be "users"
> (consumers) of software then we will see the exact effect that you
> describe (in the domain of OS'es and computing, at least). (Bug #1 has
> in effect created a whole generation of consumers who view computers as
> a way to get to entertainment).
>
> We should instead be aiming to teach people to be creators and
> contributors, so their information access tools remain robust and enable
> any one to get to any and all information they need to educate
> themselves.  Ubuntu is taking that challenge head-on. However, we're
> still not able to channel all the energy that is lost to distractions
> such as Facebook, YouTube, Farmville, WoW, and similar things that also
> tend to "dumb down" (or at least divert). That will require a lot more
> code...
>
> On 10-10-20 02:48 PM, »John« wrote:
> > One more thing:
> > I'm incredibly sorry to say so, but I forgot to mention that "that
> > reason" is probably more and more people being stupid and getting more
> > and more stupid as the time passes - that's a sad fact that probably
> > just about every teacher out there can confirm (I recently joined the
> > club and pretty much the whole class - almost all of them senior teacher
> > professionals - seems to be thinking the same); no offence to anyone
> > here intended.
> >
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>
>

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Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:48 PM, »John« <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

> > This is not a Linux bug, but for some reason, Linux gets the blame,
> and Windows and the hardware manufactures get a pass.
>
> One more thing:
> I'm incredibly sorry to say so, but I forgot to mention that "that
> reason" is probably more and more people being stupid and getting more
> and more stupid as the time passes - that's a sad fact that probably
> just about every teacher out there can confirm (I recently joined the
> club and pretty much the whole class - almost all of them senior teacher
> professionals - seems to be thinking the same); no offence to anyone
> here intended.
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>
>

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Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:21 PM, »John« <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

> > With bad drivers, you will get bit, whatever OS you run.
> > This is not a Linux bug, but for some reason, Linux gets the blame, and
> Windows and the hardware manufactures get a pass.
>
> My point exactly.
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>
>

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Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:05 PM, houstonbofh <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

> On 10/20/2010 04:41 PM, »John« wrote:
> > ... not to mention they probably won't even bother if the
> > particular operating system isn't used by what they believe to be enough
> > of their potential customers. I guess you can see why we have a problem
> > with that and every single operating system is gonna be plagued by the
> > exact same problem until it reaches critical mass.
>
> This happens with Windows as well.  Why write a new driver just because
> the new version of Windows doesn't work with it?  With bad drivers, you
> will get bit, whatever OS you run.  I have a lovely PaperPort scanner
> that I keep around as just such an object lesson.  It only has Windows
> 95 drivers unless you BUY a new one for more than the cost of a scanner.
>  This is not a Linux bug, but for some reason, Linux gets the blame,
> and Windows and the hardware manufactures get a pass.
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>
>

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Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:41 PM, »John« <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

> Hi guys.
> I don't mean to be rude; I just want the message to be perfectly clear
> because we've been through this shit for like million times already and
> I'm simply getting sick and tired of hearing the same stupid whining
> over and over again. Bad hardware support is always caused by stupid
> hardware manufacturers and not the operating system in question, because
> someone needs to write the damn drivers! If you leave that up to them,
> they pretty much always end up spitting out some half broken piece of
> binary crap, not to mention they probably won't even bother if the
> particular operating system isn't used by what they believe to be enough
> of their potential customers. I guess you can see why we have a problem
> with that and every single operating system is gonna be plagued by the
> exact same problem until it reaches critical mass. In fact, all they
> need to do in order for their stuff to be fully and reliably supported
> on free operating systems is to publicly release the programming
> documentation (because writing properly working drivers without it
> within reasonable time frame is impossible), but many of them are simply
> too stupid to understand that. Until that changes, we're simply screwed,
> because we're stuck with either crap that can (and will) stop working
> any time or with nothing at all and there's absolutely not a damn thing
> you can do about that by yet another pointless GNU/Linux (BSD, Solaris,
> whatever) rant! So, unless you have some constructive criticism or other
> valuable ideas, please go post your whining somewhere else!
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>
>

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Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Bug Watch Updater 
<1...@bugs.launchpad.net>wrote:

> ** Changed in: metacity
>   Status: Unknown => In Progress
>
> ** Changed in: metacity
>   Importance: Unknown => Low
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>
>

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Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Artem Karimov  wrote:

> Sorry for the offtop but could you please provide the link for the
> news about space station virus?? Oo
>
> On 20 October 2010 23:31, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:
> > If you choose quite a variety of hardware then Windows wont work.  Entire
> ranges
> > of cpu chips are supported by linux but not by Windows.  Entire types of
> > products perform really badly with Windows (such as netbooks) but work
> really
> > fast with linux.  All the space-station systems went down due to a virus,
> at
> > least all the Windows systems but command&control was fine because it was
> all on
> > linux.
> >
> > --
> > Microsoft has a majority market share
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> > of the bug.
> >
> > Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> > Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> > Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> > Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> > Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> > Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> > Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> > Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> > Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> > Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> > Status in Tv-Player: New
> > Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> > Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> > Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> > Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> > Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> > Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> > Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> > Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> > Status in Tilix Linux: New
> >
> > Bug description:
> > Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> > This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
> >
> > Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
> >
> > Steps to repeat:
> >
> > 1. Visit a local PC store.
> >
> > What happens:
> > 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> > 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
> >
> > What should happen:
> > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> > 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
> >
>
>
> --
> Artem Karimov 
> (https://launchpad.net/~a.karimov
> )
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: Unknown
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Ben Shadwick  wrote:

> ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #496536
>   https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=496536
>
> ** Also affects: metacity via
>   https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=496536
>   Importance: Unknown
>   Status: Unknown
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: Unknown
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>
>

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Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

> Mzc, quite! My point exactly.  The little bit that takes 1hr30 in Windows
> only
> takes 30 in Ubuntu with the difference that Ubuntu then has a stack of
> Office
> apps and stuff to use.  Windows would be a little empty.
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: Unknown
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>
>

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Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Artem Karimov  wrote:

> In terminal:
>
> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat && sudo apt-get update &&
> sudo apt-get upgrade
>
> and you have 3D acceleration.
>
> On 20 October 2010 22:21, Setve Gentilly <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:
> > Hi again,
> >
> > Let me explain it another way so that you may have a better idea of what
> I
> > am trying to explain here.
> >
> >When it came time to install the ATI
> > drivers from ATI, I ran the package and it said nothing to me so I
> rebooted
> > and guess what, it was not installed. So I then proceeded to install the
> > third party drivers that Ubuntu suggested.  Well, what a great performing
> > card It gave 50GFLOPS instead of the 1400GFLOPS Windows gives me.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh <1...@bugs.launchpad.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> > I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu
> >> does
> >> > not have the necessary drivers.
> >> > There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video
> >> > drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my
> >> > add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu.
> >> > My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu
> works
> >> on.
> >> > So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in
> >> cards
> >> > and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house.
> >>
> >> I don't believe you.  I have high end machines too...  They all work.
> >> (About 25)  Some took some effort, but only a few systems with old and
> >> cheap stuff.  This is being typed on a Gigabyte X58A-UD3R motherboard
> >> with a Inetl Corei7 Quad core, and nVidia GTS250 graphics with 24 gig of
> >> ram.  (Work system, so that is why the low end graphics)  Worked out of
> >> the box with Lucid.  I believe there is a lot more to your story.  Like
> >> perhaps your "high end" stuff is the cheapest Chinese components you can
> >> source...  And they don't have drivers?Those can take a bit
> >> more effort.  Or perhaps the well known Intel i855 graphics chipset bug?
> >>  (Fixed in Maverik, by the way)
> >>
> >> Only being willing to put an hour into learning a new system is not a
> >> bug we can easily patch.
> >>
> >> But if you want help, go ahead and e-mail me.  I bet I can find drivers
> >> for much of your stuff.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Microsoft has a majority market share
> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> >> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> >> of the bug.
> >>
> >> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> >> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> >> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> >> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> >> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> >> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> >> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> >> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> >> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> >> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> >> Status in Tv-Player: New
> >> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> >> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> >> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> >> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> >> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> >> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> >> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> >> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> >> Status in Tilix Linux: New
> >>
> >> Bug description:
> >> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> >> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
> >>
> >> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> >> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's populatio

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

> If you choose quite a variety of hardware then Windows wont work.  Entire
> ranges
> of cpu chips are supported by linux but not by Windows.  Entire types of
> products perform really badly with Windows (such as netbooks) but work
> really
> fast with linux.  All the space-station systems went down due to a virus,
> at
> least all the Windows systems but command&control was fine because it was
> all on
> linux.
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>
>

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Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) <
rand...@executiv.es> wrote:

> Quite true.
>
> If you've ever watched a new user work with Ubuntu, you'll likely have
> noticed that they have a much easier time than "experienced" computer
> users. No bad habits to unlearn, and they tend to involve themselves
> less with "tinkering" on unsupported (and uncertified) hardware.
>
>
> > You want Ubuntu to be as easy for a beginner to install with no
> > experience as Windows is for an expert with years of experience.  That
> > is the bug...  Unreasonable expectations.  And the thought that
> > "Windows" is "Computer" and if you know "Windows" you know "computers."
> >   Not so helpfull with Mac, Linux, HP-UX, Aix, Solaris, AS400, VMS, or a
> > number of accounting specific systems.  Now if you give the same test to
> > your grandmother, I bet Linux is easier.
> >
> > And this is the reason I responded.  People keep looking at the wrong
> > bug.  The bug is that we did not tell you this BEFORE you started.  Now
> > it is too late...
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>
>

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Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) <
rand...@executiv.es> wrote:

> Not certified (yet). The complete list of Ubuntu-certified systems is here:
> http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/
>
> On 10-10-20 12:05 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote:
> > Hi, one more time.
> >
> > Another example;  I have a AMD system with an Ultra SCSI card from
> Tekram,
> > No flavor of Ubuntu will install on those 10k Seagate drives because you
> > don't have drivers for that card...
> >
> > Regards,
> > Gentilli.
> >
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>
>

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Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:14 PM, houstonbofh <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

> On 10/20/2010 02:21 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote:
>
> > When I get a new system (which I get regularly) after it is assembled it
> > take me 1 to 1.5 hours to install Windows, the drivers and the necessary
> > software to get it to function at 100% efficiency.  I don't have the time
> to
> > fart around and mess with Operating systems and drivers that don't even
> run
> > on a double click from the mouse, nor do I have the time to learn a new
> > programing language (although I do know a few), no thank you.
>
> I have expertise in both Windows and Linux.  Windows takes longer.
> Mainly it is the massive amount of reboots between updates and drivers.
>  Also, the install is far to interactive, not set it and forget it.  As
> an aside, the only programming language I know is Perl, and I haven't
> really used in in years.
>
> > Let me give you an example, I installed Ubuntu 10.10RC on an AMD machine
> > with an Asus board and an XFX HD 5770.  When it came time to install the
> ATI
> > drivers from ATI, I ran the package and it said nothing to me so I
> rebooted
> > and guess what, it was not installed. So I then proceeded to install the
> > third party drivers that Ubuntu suggested.  Well, what a great performing
> > card It gave 50GFLOPS instead of the 1400GFLOPS Windows gives me.
> > I don't have time to fart around for days or weeks to get the machine
> > working 100%.
>
> You installed a beta, and it was not perfect?  Really?  And those Vista
> betas were so smooth...  And you had ATI driver problems?  That is
> surely an Ubuntu issue.
> http://www.google.com/search?q=ati+driver+problems  Or maybe not.  And
> why did you go the the ATI website first?  Oh, yes...  You picked up
> that habit from Windows.  In Ubuntu, you go to the repos first.  And
> yes, the ATI Linux drivers are worse than the Windows drivers for many
> ATI cards.  One reason I like nVidia. (On both platforms)
>
> > When Ubuntu is as easy to install as Windows, then I will have another
> look
> > at it.
>
> You want Ubuntu to be as easy for a beginner to install with no
> experience as Windows is for an expert with years of experience.  That
> is the bug...  Unreasonable expectations.  And the thought that
> "Windows" is "Computer" and if you know "Windows" you know "computers."
>  Not so helpfull with Mac, Linux, HP-UX, Aix, Solaris, AS400, VMS, or a
> number of accounting specific systems.  Now if you give the same test to
> your grandmother, I bet Linux is easier.
>
> And this is the reason I responded.  People keep looking at the wrong
> bug.  The bug is that we did not tell you this BEFORE you started.  Now
> it is too late...
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> Wha

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know
that..

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type

Maybe Windows is the best system...

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my
attention.

Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) <
rand...@executiv.es> wrote:

> Did you bother to check which systems are certified first?
> http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/
>
> Think of your experiences in the Windows world. You likely have used
> hardware that is stickered "Windows Ready", "Works with Windows" etc.
>
> The Ubuntu world is no different, and Ubuntu does NOT work on
> everything. Please reset expectations accordingly.
>
> More here if you are interested:
> http://randall.executiv.es/uwoe3
>
>
> On 10-10-20 11:21 AM, Setve Gentilly wrote:
> > Hi again,
> >
> > Let me explain it another way so that you may have a better idea of what
> I
> > am trying to explain here.
> >
> > I only buy products from some of the following manufactures; XFX, EVGA,
> > Asus, Cooler Master, OCZ, Westen Digital, Silverstone, Corsair, Samsung,
> > etc., etc., etc.
> > When I get a new system (which I get regularly) after it is assembled it
> > take me 1 to 1.5 hours to install Windows, the drivers and the necessary
> > software to get it to function at 100% efficiency.  I don't have the time
> to
> > fart around and mess with Operating systems and drivers that don't even
> run
> > on a double click from the mouse, nor do I have the time to learn a new
> > programing language (although I do know a few), no thank you.
> > Let me give you an example, I installed Ubuntu 10.10RC on an AMD machine
> > with an Asus board and an XFX HD 5770.  When it came time to install the
> ATI
> > drivers from ATI, I ran the package and it said nothing to me so I
> rebooted
> > and guess what, it was not installed. So I then proceeded to install the
> > third party drivers that Ubuntu suggested.  Well, what a great performing
> > card It gave 50GFLOPS instead of the 1400GFLOPS Windows gives me.
> > I don't have time to fart around for days or weeks to get the machine
> > working 100%.
> >
> > When Ubuntu is as easy to install as Windows, then I will have another
> look
> > at it.
> > Not till then...
> >
> > Regards,
> > Gentilli.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh <1...@bugs.launchpad.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu
> >> does
> >>> not have the necessary drivers.
> >>> There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video
> >>> drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my
> >>> add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu.
> >>> My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu
> works
> >> on.
> >>> So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in
> >> cards
> >>> and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house.
> >> I don't believe you.  I have high end machines too...  They all work.
> >> (About 25)  Some took some effort, but only a few systems with old and
> >> cheap stuff.  This is being typed on a Gigabyte X58A-UD3R motherboard
> >> with a Inetl Corei7 Quad core, and nVidia GTS250 graphics with 24 gig of
> >> ram.  (Work system, so that is why the low end graphics)  Worked out of
> >> the box with Lucid.  I believe there is a lot more to your story.  Like
> >> perhaps your "high end" stuff is the cheapest Chinese components you can
> >> source...  And they don't have drivers?Those can take a bit
> >> more effort.  Or perhaps the well known Intel i855 graphics chipset bug?
> >>  (Fixed in Maverik, by the way)
> >>
> >> Only being willing to put an hour into learning a new system is not a
> >> bug we can easily patch.
> >>
> >> But if you want help, go ahead and e-mail me.  I bet I can find drivers
> >> for much of your stuff.
> >>
> >>
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: In

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

Why don't you go go fuck yourself you fucking asshole.




On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh <1...@bugs.launchpad.net>
wrote:

> On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu
> does
> > not have the necessary drivers.
> > There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video
> > drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my
> > add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu.
> > My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu works
> on.
> > So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in
> cards
> > and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house.
>
> I don't believe you.  I have high end machines too...  They all work.
> (About 25)  Some took some effort, but only a few systems with old and
> cheap stuff.  This is being typed on a Gigabyte X58A-UD3R motherboard
> with a Inetl Corei7 Quad core, and nVidia GTS250 graphics with 24 gig of
> ram.  (Work system, so that is why the low end graphics)  Worked out of
> the box with Lucid.  I believe there is a lot more to your story.  Like
> perhaps your "high end" stuff is the cheapest Chinese components you can
> source...  And they don't have drivers?Those can take a bit
> more effort.  Or perhaps the well known Intel i855 graphics chipset bug?
>  (Fixed in Maverik, by the way)
>
> Only being willing to put an hour into learning a new system is not a
> bug we can easily patch.
>
> But if you want help, go ahead and e-mail me.  I bet I can find drivers
> for much of your stuff.
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>
>

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Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

Hi Kip,

I would like you to understand the following,

I hate Microsoft, I hate what they are doing, I hate what they stand for and
what I hate the most is having to pay hard earned money for 0's and 1's.
I love the Open Source concept and it should be the *ONLY* way to go.
There is NOTHING MORE I would like than to be able to use Ubuntu on all my
machines.  I am constantly looking for Microsoft alternatives. I have been
in computers since 1992 and all my learned experience is on Dos, Windows
(Microsoft Certifications), some Netware and very little on Linux.
I am now retired and for some weird reason I am busier now than I was in the
past. I do a lot of charitable work repairing and fixing defective computers
for people who cannot afford to bring their PC's to the repair shop.
 Unfortunately 99% of the people have Windows installed on their PC's.  And
that I can fix. I would love nothing better than to replace some of these
people's unlicensed OS with Ubuntu.
But unfortunately I don't have the know how or experience to do that because
I don't find Ubuntu user friendly (from a Windows perspective).

So if one of you SMUCKS (wink, lol) is willing to put the effort in my
proposed project, then I am willing to put in 150% effort to do this.
And yes I will become responsible for spreading Ubuntu on (at least) a small
to medium scale.

What do you think,  can we do this???

Best regards,
Gentilli.




On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Kip Warner  wrote:

> Beautifully said Randall. You touched the essence of why the consumer
> zombies just doesn't understand the world of free software. They
> generally just want to consume and produce nothing.
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>
>

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Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

Hi guys,

Well it still comes down to not having drivers for stuff.

Thank you guys for your time, but when Ubuntu is more compatible I will have
another look at it.

Regards,
Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:24 PM, mzc <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

> It takes an entire day to install windows! This includes updates.. plus
> apps etc..  Ubuntu takes at least 2 hrs which includes updates, apps, mods
> and blings, etc.  Granted that you have good internet bandwidth.
> On Oct 20, 2010 12:07 PM, "Tom" <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:
> > So 30mins to install Ubuntu against 1hr30 to install Windows.
> >
> > Did the Windows system then need upgrades or additional software? After
> the
> > first round of updates and reboot were all the drivers, codecs and new
> programs
> > all up-to-date and fully patched?
> >
> > Installing a system you know well (Windows), with the standard
> preparation
> you
> > do before an install to that particular set of hardware does not really
> compare
> > against installing a system you have no experience with and have not
> prepared
> > for in advance.
> >
> > Comparing is difficult when you are not comparing like with like.
> >
> > --
> > Microsoft has a majority market share
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> > of the bug.
> >
> > Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> > Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> > Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> > Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> > Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> > Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> > Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> > Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> > Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> > Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> > Status in Tv-Player: New
> > Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> > Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> > Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> > Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> > Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> > Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> > Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> > Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> > Status in Tilix Linux: New
> >
> > Bug description:
> > Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> > This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
> >
> > Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
> >
> > Steps to repeat:
> >
> > 1. Visit a local PC store.
> >
> > What happens:
> > 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> > 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
> >
> > What should happen:
> > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> > 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-in

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

Hi, one more time.

Another example;  I have a AMD system with an Ultra SCSI card from Tekram,
No flavor of Ubuntu will install on those 10k Seagate drives because you
don't have drivers for that card...

Regards,
Gentilli.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Steve Forester 
wrote:

> Hi again,
>
> Let me explain it another way so that you may have a better idea of what I
> am trying to explain here.
>
> I only buy products from some of the following manufactures; XFX, EVGA,
> Asus, Cooler Master, OCZ, Westen Digital, Silverstone, Corsair, Samsung,
> etc., etc., etc.
> When I get a new system (which I get regularly) after it is assembled it
> take me 1 to 1.5 hours to install Windows, the drivers and the necessary
> software to get it to function at 100% efficiency.  I don't have the time to
> fart around and mess with Operating systems and drivers that don't even run
> on a double click from the mouse, nor do I have the time to learn a new
> programing language (although I do know a few), no thank you.
> Let me give you an example, I installed Ubuntu 10.10RC on an AMD machine
> with an Asus board and an XFX HD 5770.  When it came time to install the ATI
> drivers from ATI, I ran the package and it said nothing to me so I rebooted
> and guess what, it was not installed. So I then proceeded to install the
> third party drivers that Ubuntu suggested.  Well, what a great performing
> card It gave 50GFLOPS instead of the 1400GFLOPS Windows gives me.
> I don't have time to fart around for days or weeks to get the machine
> working 100%.
>
> When Ubuntu is as easy to install as Windows, then I will have another look
> at it.
> Not till then...
>
> Regards,
> Gentilli.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:
>
>> On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu
>> does
>> > not have the necessary drivers.
>> > There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video
>> > drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my
>> > add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu.
>> > My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu works
>> on.
>> > So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in
>> cards
>> > and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house.
>>
>> I don't believe you.  I have high end machines too...  They all work.
>> (About 25)  Some took some effort, but only a few systems with old and
>> cheap stuff.  This is being typed on a Gigabyte X58A-UD3R motherboard
>> with a Inetl Corei7 Quad core, and nVidia GTS250 graphics with 24 gig of
>> ram.  (Work system, so that is why the low end graphics)  Worked out of
>> the box with Lucid.  I believe there is a lot more to your story.  Like
>> perhaps your "high end" stuff is the cheapest Chinese components you can
>> source...  And they don't have drivers?Those can take a bit
>> more effort.  Or perhaps the well known Intel i855 graphics chipset bug?
>>  (Fixed in Maverik, by the way)
>>
>> Only being willing to put an hour into learning a new system is not a
>> bug we can easily patch.
>>
>> But if you want help, go ahead and e-mail me.  I bet I can find drivers
>> for much of your stuff.
>>
>> --
>> Microsoft has a majority market share
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
>> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
>> of the bug.
>>
>> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
>> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
>> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
>> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
>> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
>> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
>> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
>> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
>> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
>> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
>> Status in Tv-Player: New
>> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
>> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
>> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
>> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
>> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
>> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
>> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
>> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
>> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>>
>> Bug description:
>> Microsoft has a majo

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

Hi again,

Let me explain it another way so that you may have a better idea of what I
am trying to explain here.

I only buy products from some of the following manufactures; XFX, EVGA,
Asus, Cooler Master, OCZ, Westen Digital, Silverstone, Corsair, Samsung,
etc., etc., etc.
When I get a new system (which I get regularly) after it is assembled it
take me 1 to 1.5 hours to install Windows, the drivers and the necessary
software to get it to function at 100% efficiency.  I don't have the time to
fart around and mess with Operating systems and drivers that don't even run
on a double click from the mouse, nor do I have the time to learn a new
programing language (although I do know a few), no thank you.
Let me give you an example, I installed Ubuntu 10.10RC on an AMD machine
with an Asus board and an XFX HD 5770.  When it came time to install the ATI
drivers from ATI, I ran the package and it said nothing to me so I rebooted
and guess what, it was not installed. So I then proceeded to install the
third party drivers that Ubuntu suggested.  Well, what a great performing
card It gave 50GFLOPS instead of the 1400GFLOPS Windows gives me.
I don't have time to fart around for days or weeks to get the machine
working 100%.

When Ubuntu is as easy to install as Windows, then I will have another look
at it.
Not till then...

Regards,
Gentilli.


On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh <1...@bugs.launchpad.net>
wrote:

> On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu
> does
> > not have the necessary drivers.
> > There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video
> > drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my
> > add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu.
> > My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu works
> on.
> > So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in
> cards
> > and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house.
>
> I don't believe you.  I have high end machines too...  They all work.
> (About 25)  Some took some effort, but only a few systems with old and
> cheap stuff.  This is being typed on a Gigabyte X58A-UD3R motherboard
> with a Inetl Corei7 Quad core, and nVidia GTS250 graphics with 24 gig of
> ram.  (Work system, so that is why the low end graphics)  Worked out of
> the box with Lucid.  I believe there is a lot more to your story.  Like
> perhaps your "high end" stuff is the cheapest Chinese components you can
> source...  And they don't have drivers?Those can take a bit
> more effort.  Or perhaps the well known Intel i855 graphics chipset bug?
>  (Fixed in Maverik, by the way)
>
> Only being willing to put an hour into learning a new system is not a
> bug we can easily patch.
>
> But if you want help, go ahead and e-mail me.  I bet I can find drivers
> for much of your stuff.
>
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> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
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> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
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> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
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> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
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> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
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>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

[Setve Gentilly]

Hi,
I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu does
not have the necessary drivers.
There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video
drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my
add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu.
My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu works on.
So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in cards
and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house.

CIAO!
Gentilli.




On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:03 AM, kredh <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

> ** Branch linked: lp:kassie
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
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