Re: usplash and alternate resolutions
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 01:27:12PM -0400, Bill Filler wrote: > Hello, > Does anyone know if there is work underway in usplash to support > resolutions such as 1024x600 and 1280x800 (without stretching the > image), which are proving to be quite common in the netbook space? If > not, any hints as to the efforts of adding this support would be > appreciated. The most practical way of doing so would be to add code to parse the vesa mode list in an attempt to find a mode that matches the actual screen resolution, but a lot of hardware won't have this. Beyond that, wait for kernel modesetting support. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: usplash and alternate resolutions
Op dinsdag 22-07-2008 om 22:10 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Oliver Grawert: > it would be awesome to have usplash doing more than it does now and > would surely be appreciated by all of us if you sent a patch, just make > sure that it doesnt break on the arches it runs on now (usplash > supporting ppc, amd64 as well as i386 and not break resume was the > initial reason to actually write it, else we could use something like > splashy which is i386 only ... changing the code in a way that keeps it > working on all arches it currently supports and not break > suspend/resume alongside makes code changes in it so painful) The main problem is probably changing video modes. Maybe the new kernel-based modesetting in recent drivers might help here though? -- Jan Claeys -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Mailing list filtering [Was: usplash and alternate resolutions]
Op dinsdag 22-07-2008 om 17:44 uur [tijdzone -0400], schreef Michael R. Head: > Recent mailman versions have learned to only send one by default, so > it is necessary to configure it each time I sign up for a new mailing > list. This default depends on the list admin. I configure it to (by default) send 2 mails when the sender explicitly asks for it. ;) -- Jan Claeys -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Mailing list filtering [Was: usplash and alternate resolutions]
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 22:20 +0100, Alexander Jones wrote: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-July/thread.html > > Threading is intact, and the mailing list manager knows when I have > Cc'd someone who is already on its list. You don't receive the same > email twice for this reason, and if you have filters set up doing > crazy things, you should fix those instead. The problem is that the only reasonable way to filter mailing list posts is to use the X-Mailing-List header. When the CCed email is sent, it won't have that header in place and will miss that filter. I actually prefer to receive two copies of the email (one from the mailing list with headers intact, one directly from the sender). This is actually a good thing, because mails that are directed at me via CC get to my inbox and receive my direct attention, while a copy of the entire list stays in the mailing list folder. Recent mailman versions have learned to only send one by default, so it is necessary to configure it each time I sign up for a new mailing list. -- Michael R. Head <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.cs.binghamton.edu/~mike/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: usplash and alternate resolutions
Am Dienstag, den 22.07.2008, 22:20 +0100 schrieb Alexander Jones: > 2008/7/22 Oliver Grawert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-July/thread.html > > Threading is intact, and the mailing list manager knows when I have > Cc'd someone who is already on its list. You don't receive the same > email twice for this reason, and if you have filters set up doing > crazy things, you should fix those instead. you notice that the threading actually ends after your first post on that webpage and all replies no matter who replied to whom show up as replies to you, right ? ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: usplash and alternate resolutions
Przemysław Kulczycki wrote: > Well, Red Hat is dropping that splash (rhgb) in favour of Plymouth > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjU3OA > Thanz for the link. Though I'm sad to say this looks like another sad example of FLOSS design. :( There's no mention on the design of the aesthetic capabilities. What "pretty" can all this code do? But I guess this is a chat for another list. :P -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: usplash and alternate resolutions
2008/7/22 Oliver Grawert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > hi, > Am Dienstag, den 22.07.2008, 21:00 +0100 schrieb Alexander Jones: >> I'll dig into the code this evening and see what I can find. >> >> (Also, Reply to All is better because the people who I am replying to >> have their names directly in the header.) > but it breaks reply to list for everyone using a non broken client as > well as sorting by mailinglist headers ... > (which means in evolution or thunderbird that your reply ends up in > inbox, you need to move it, edit the recipients field etc etc ... its > quite painful to reply to you in a way that others can follow the thread > and reply again (i could just hit reply to all and not care indeed, but > i find it not realy polite to break the communication path for others, > so i correct it before sending)) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-July/thread.html Threading is intact, and the mailing list manager knows when I have Cc'd someone who is already on its list. You don't receive the same email twice for this reason, and if you have filters set up doing crazy things, you should fix those instead. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: usplash and alternate resolutions
Cory K. pisze: Alexander Jones wrote: WHY are we using a giant image? The only image we need is the small Ubuntu logo. We should center it on a black background and be done with it. Well there's the great design thinking right there. If that needs changes to Usplash, let's do it! There's been changes needed for a long time. Namely, actual widescreen support. I'd personally like to see Fedora's splash used but some feel that starting X is undesirable at that stage. Well, Red Hat is dropping that splash (rhgb) in favour of Plymouth http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjU3OA -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki <<>> Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: usplash and alternate resolutions
hi, Am Dienstag, den 22.07.2008, 21:00 +0100 schrieb Alexander Jones: > I'll dig into the code this evening and see what I can find. > > (Also, Reply to All is better because the people who I am replying to > have their names directly in the header.) but it breaks reply to list for everyone using a non broken client as well as sorting by mailinglist headers ... (which means in evolution or thunderbird that your reply ends up in inbox, you need to move it, edit the recipients field etc etc ... its quite painful to reply to you in a way that others can follow the thread and reply again (i could just hit reply to all and not care indeed, but i find it not realy polite to break the communication path for others, so i correct it before sending)) but back on topic :) it would be awesome to have usplash doing more than it does now and would surely be appreciated by all of us if you sent a patch, just make sure that it doesnt break on the arches it runs on now (usplash supporting ppc, amd64 as well as i386 and not break resume was the initial reason to actually write it, else we could use something like splashy which is i386 only ... changing the code in a way that keeps it working on all arches it currently supports and not break suspend/resume alongside makes code changes in it so painful) ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: usplash and alternate resolutions
I'll dig into the code this evening and see what I can find. (Also, Reply to All is better because the people who I am replying to have their names directly in the header.) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: usplash and alternate resolutions
>> Why would it be an oval? > it wouldnt if usplash would act like you describe below (which it doesnt) > to achieve what you describe usplash needs code changes and someon who > actually does them :) We were already at that point. You were responding to Alexander's post, which already recognized we'd probably need code changes for that effect. I was responding directly to this: >> WHY are we using a giant image? The only image we need is the small >> Ubuntu logo. We should center it on a black background and be done >> with it. If that needs changes to Usplash, let's do it! > you miss the point a bit here, even in that case the logo would be oval > instead of being a cycle, it's about the stretching that happens Suggesting that he missed the point, and it would be an oval regardless of the logo being overlaid on black. My point being, if we made those changes, usplash would work perfectly fine at any resolution. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: usplash and alternate resolutions
hi, Am Dienstag, den 22.07.2008, 15:04 -0400 schrieb Joe Terranova: > > you miss the point a bit here, even in that case the logo would be oval > > instead of being a cycle, it's about the stretching that happens > > Why would it be an oval? it wouldnt if usplash would act like you describe below (which it doesnt) > on a 800x600 monitor, an 800x600 black background is generated, and > the 300x200 logo overlaid on it (placed accordingly for our startup > progress stuff to appear). > > on a 1280x800 monitor, a 1280x800 black background is generated, and > the 300x200 logo overlaid on it. > > The point is for the logo to stay the same pixel size, regardless of > resolution, or at least only grow at the correct ratio; if the ratio > of the monitor is different than the ratio of the logo, use a black > background to compensate. > right, but usplash currently doesnt support overlaid logos, currently you only have the "wallpaper" (which is a black pic with the logo on it) and the progressbar ... usplash itself tries to display that in a 4:3 format which on a physical wide screen becomes a stretched 16:9 (or 16:10 or whatever phys. size your screen has) picture ... to achieve what you describe usplash needs code changes and someon who actually does them :) ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: usplash and alternate resolutions
> you miss the point a bit here, even in that case the logo would be oval > instead of being a cycle, it's about the stretching that happens Why would it be an oval? a 300x200 logo on a 800x600 monitor, an 800x600 black background is generated, and the 300x200 logo overlaid on it (placed accordingly for our startup progress stuff to appear). on a 1280x800 monitor, a 1280x800 black background is generated, and the 300x200 logo overlaid on it. The point is for the logo to stay the same pixel size, regardless of resolution, or at least only grow at the correct ratio; if the ratio of the monitor is different than the ratio of the logo, use a black background to compensate. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: usplash and alternate resolutions
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Oliver Grawert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi, > Am Dienstag, den 22.07.2008, 19:27 +0100 schrieb Alexander Jones: >> WHY are we using a giant image? The only image we need is the small >> Ubuntu logo. We should center it on a black background and be done >> with it. If that needs changes to Usplash, let's do it! > you miss the point a bit here, even in that case the logo would be oval > instead of being a cycle, it's about the stretching that happens > > ciao >oli > > PS: no need to CC me, i'm subscribed to the list Their mail client likely lacks a Reply to List, so they use Reply to All. GMail is like this. I manually move the address, but it's an extra step. -- Mackenzie Morgan Linux User #432169 ACM Member #3445683 http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com <-my blog of Ubuntu stuff apt-get moo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: usplash and alternate resolutions
hi, Am Dienstag, den 22.07.2008, 19:27 +0100 schrieb Alexander Jones: > WHY are we using a giant image? The only image we need is the small > Ubuntu logo. We should center it on a black background and be done > with it. If that needs changes to Usplash, let's do it! you miss the point a bit here, even in that case the logo would be oval instead of being a cycle, it's about the stretching that happens ciao oli PS: no need to CC me, i'm subscribed to the list signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: usplash and alternate resolutions
Alexander Jones wrote: > WHY are we using a giant image? The only image we need is the small > Ubuntu logo. We should center it on a black background and be done > with it. Well there's the great design thinking right there. > If that needs changes to Usplash, let's do it! > There's been changes needed for a long time. Namely, actual widescreen support. I'd personally like to see Fedora's splash used but some feel that starting X is undesirable at that stage. -Cory -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: usplash and alternate resolutions
WHY are we using a giant image? The only image we need is the small Ubuntu logo. We should center it on a black background and be done with it. If that needs changes to Usplash, let's do it! -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: usplash and alternate resolutions
hi, Am Dienstag, den 22.07.2008, 13:27 -0400 schrieb Bill Filler: > Hello, > Does anyone know if there is work underway in usplash to support > resolutions such as 1024x600 and 1280x800 (without stretching the > image), which are proving to be quite common in the netbook space? If > not, any hints as to the efforts of adding this support would be > appreciated. you can abuse the existing images and squeeze them into the right resolution, i.e. on the classmate i used to have an image that registered itself as 640x480 but was in fact a 640x400 image ... its massively painful to maintain though and indeed breaks the 640x480 default image i guess thats solvable with a *-artwork-usplash-wide package though, that contains the fake resolutions and replaces *-artwork-usplash ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
usplash and alternate resolutions
Hello, Does anyone know if there is work underway in usplash to support resolutions such as 1024x600 and 1280x800 (without stretching the image), which are proving to be quite common in the netbook space? If not, any hints as to the efforts of adding this support would be appreciated. Thanks, Bill -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
