Re: Testing Kubuntu 24.04 but cannot install "ubuntu-bug" to report bugs.
`ubuntu-bug` is part of the apport package which should be installed by default. Also, if you read the page you sent, you’ll notice you can just log into Launchpad and report bugs there if you’re having some issues with `ubuntu-bug`. @wxl | polka.bike C563 CAC5 8BE1 2F22 A49D 68F6 8B57 A48B C4F2 051A > On Mar 26, 2024, at 09:51, ofbarea wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I wanted to test Kubuntu 22.04 and I installed it on an old MacBoock Pro > 2011. > I found a bug that I want to report. But I cannot install "*ubuntu-bug*" > in the system. > > It is not available when I attempt to "apt install ubuntu-bug". > I was following this guide but no luck: > - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs > > Please update the support links so we can also assist reporting problems > early. > > Best Regards, > Otto Barea > > PS: > The bug is related to the trackpad (Macbook 2011 13") does not work with > kernel 6.8.0-11-generic. > I build my own upstream kernel 6.8.1 (using .config from a kernel > 6.2.0-35-generic as the template). With that, the trackpad works properly. > -- > Ubuntu-quality mailing list > Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: URGENT completely crippling regression
On 2019-05-31 22:52, Teo Tei wrote: >> Il giorno ven 31 mag 2019 alle ore 21:43 C de-Avillez >> ha scritto: >>> I started reading the bug, and completely lost interest when I notice >>> the tone used in the description. >> How is that? Seriously, please explain it to me because I don't understand >> it, and it fascinates me every single time (yeah, because it's not the >> first time). Regardless of whether or not you understand it, if it's come up more than once, it's clearly not an uncommon response. I would argue, given that, that to ignore that fact and expect different results is rather illogical. This response is not really strange behavior. If you approach people in attack mode, they're invariably going to get on the defensive. This will not produce the results you're looking for. Ever heard that phrase you can catch more flies with honey? Another way to put it is: just be nice. Even when dealing with a frustrating or difficult situation, you will inevitably get good results by approaching it with a good attitude. Furthermore, the entire Ubuntu community's (that includes you) interactions are governed by the [Ubuntu Code of Conduct][1]. Though you may not have signed the CoC, it is the terms by which you agree to simply by participating in the community. They are not optional. These are the things that allow for civility and productivity. The key points that relate here are to: * be considerate (i.e. think about how others will respond to your tone and the effect it will have on them) * be respectful (i.e. remember that everyone in the community with rare exception is a volunteer and everyone wants the same thing you do: a good experience for the end user) * take responsibility for your words and actions (i.e. try not to participate in behaviors that are going to have a negative impact on others and though you don't have to apologize, it certainly wouldn't hurt) * be collaborative (i.e. work with those folks that could improve the situation rather than working against them) * value consensus (i.e. put this discussion behind us and move forward on getting the problem fixed in a constructive manner) That said, let's work together to get this problem solved, eh? Walter Lapchynski Ubuntu Community Council [1]: https://www.ubuntu.com/community/code-of-conduct -- @wxl | polka.bike C563 CAC5 8BE1 2F22 A49D 68F6 8B57 A48B C4F2 051A -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Help Needed Testing Lubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Beta!
> >> On 2018-10-02 16:38, EdLesMann wrote: > >>> The only "oddity" is this. Why is there an option to install Lubuntu on > >>> my desktop after I've installed Lubuntu? ;-) Actually, we found an edge case that you may have ran into. That is now [resolved][1]. [1]: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares-settings-ubuntu/23 -- @wxl | polka.bike C563 CAC5 8BE1 2F22 A49D 68F6 8B57 A48B C4F2 051A -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Help Needed Testing Lubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Beta!
On 2018-10-02 16:38, EdLesMann wrote: > The only "oddity" is this. Why is there an option to install Lubuntu on > my desktop after I've installed Lubuntu? ;-) That is strange, and not something I can reproduce. We actually [explicitly remove the installer][1]. Maybe you didn't restart? Or you didn't remove the installation media before restarting? [1]: https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/calamares-settings-ubuntu/browse/master/lubuntu/modules/packages.conf$5 -- @wxl | polka.bike C563 CAC5 8BE1 2F22 A49D 68F6 8B57 A48B C4F2 051A -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
organizing Google Code-In 2018
First off, sorry for potentially hitting some of your mailboxes more than once but I wanted to get the word spread out as much as possible. Now on to the matter at hand: Google Code-In. This is a project Google hosts where open source organizations participate, providing bite size tasks and mentorship for 13-17 year olds from around the world. The winners and their parents get to hang out with Google in San Francisco for what is ultimately a really, really cool trip. Ubuntu has participated in this for several years, with Canonical providing the admins. Now there is a [plan][1] to have Canonical do a Snappy organization, with a separate community-driven Ubuntu organization. The problem is that we're scrambling to put the application together before the deadline Monday. The big hurdle is tasks. We need tasks across a wide variety of disciplines and some need to be a bit easier than another ones. That said, I'd love to have your input. Feel free to throw your task ideas right on the [pad][2] we have created or simply get in touch with an email reply, on Discourse or on #ubuntu-google on Freenode. Additionally, if any of you would like to mentor, it's a really great opportunity. You get a t-shirt out of the deal, too! [1]: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/google-code-in-2018/7817 [2]: https://pad.ubuntu.com/8TOcrCTiUt -- @wxl | polka.bike C563 CAC5 8BE1 2F22 A49D 68F6 8B57 A48B C4F2 051A -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Full speed ahead to 18.10!
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 09:58:43PM -0500, Simon Quigley wrote: > we need help testing every nook and cranny of Lubuntu Cosmic. I just want to clarify that what we need right now is not the usual ISO testing. This is a really unique cycle for us because basically the entire release is a new feature. So what we need is people to get in and poke every single option in every single application. It might be nice if we could coordinate. Maybe we can make a list on the wiki of all the applications and different folks could sign up to take one or the other? That way we don't duplicate work? -- @wxl | polka.bike C563 CAC5 8BE1 2F22 A49D 68F6 8B57 A48B C4F2 051A -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: I have written a draft for the Reporting Bugs guide
On May 11, 2017 3:17:14 PM PDT, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: >Men There's more than just those in the community. > on mail I'm just b*. > put that b*** there. This is inappropriate language for this community. Please consult the Code of Conduct. > when I answer in >video I know my intentions are well interpreted, and that I'm not >saying >something too stupid that could piss people off. Your video in response to the angry response you got posting a confusing image was far more offensive than anything you said in text. I'm convinced you have good intentions. Unfortunately, the road to hell is paved with those. I encourage you to stop and think long and hard about how to contribute successfully to a community that doesn't always think like you. Hint: read the Code of Conduct. -- @wxl | polka.bike C563 CAC5 8BE1 2F22 A49D 68F6 8B57 A48B C4F2 051A -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: I have written a draft for the Reporting Bugs guide
On 2017-05-09 13:20, flocculant wrote: If the sole reason for changing the wiki page was it's length, then rather than lose information, we should perhaps be looking splitting it up. I agree with this and it echoes the sentiment I shared earlier about having an "additional information" section/page in addition to the introductory content. -- @wxl | polka.bike C563 CAC5 8BE1 2F22 A49D 68F6 8B57 A48B C4F2 051A -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: I have written a draft for the Reporting Bugs guide
On 2017-05-09 11:53, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: The process is completely guided. It's like instructions on the instructions themselves. People aren't interested in that. *Some* people aren't interested in that. Better to offer an additional information section/page. the founder of Kubuntu is now making his own distribution, just because he was unable to figure out how to reach consensus within this community (his own words). This is because he couldn't find consensus with Canonical about intellectual property, which is completely unrelated to this discussion. Other people left because of irritation about technical issues like systemd or perhaps even things like Mir, which are now, thankfully (IMHO), abandoned. All of this is again unrelated. These are not the reasons why people aren't submitting bug reports. Well, it is for some, but they've already left the community, so why worry about them? And besides, their problems relate to things other than the wiki page. Thermal bathing time is over. I want a feasible solution now, on how we are dealing with disagreements and how we are releasing changes in a sensible time frame. Regardless of your feelings, the entire community is based on consensus. It's baked into the Code of Conduct. If you're impatient on how long that process takes (often a long time), I think it might be better to find a place where every commit is automatically accepted, although I think you'll have a hard time finding that place. -- @wxl | polka.bike C563 CAC5 8BE1 2F22 A49D 68F6 8B57 A48B C4F2 051A -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: [lubuntu-devel] Lubuntu Zesty Zapus Beta 1 Call For Testing
Lubuntu did not fully tested before we had to do a respin last night, so we *urgently* need the full suite of testcases completed in order to release Beta 1. According to the Release Team, it will be shipped in 4 hours with or without us. That said, we need your help, regardless of whether or not you're familiar with testing, whether you're on the Lubuntu Team, whether you use Lubuntu, whether you have old hardware or new hardware, whether you have a machine to install on or not (virtual machines work). To get started, go to the [ISO QA tracker] [1], pick a Lubuntu testcase and test. Instructions on how to use the tracker are at the top of the page. Just make sure to record your results on the tracker. This is a formal process. If you have questions, come to #lubuntu-devel on IRC or reply back to the lubuntu-devel mailing list. Feel free to ping tsimonq2 or myself. Thanks for making Lubuntu better! [1]: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/373/builds @wxl | polka.bike c563 cac5 8be1 2f22 a49d 68f6 8b57 a48b c4f2 051a On Feb 23, 2017 04:37, "Simon Quigley" wrote: Another respin happened last night for Lubuntu images to fix touchpad functionality. We need help testing these new images so we can release Beta 1 later. Thanks! :) -- Simon Quigley tsimo...@ubuntu.com tsimonq2 on freenode and OFTC 5C7A BEA2 0F86 3045 9CC8 C8B5 E27F 2CF8 458C 2FA4 -- Lubuntu-devel mailing list lubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailm an/listinfo/lubuntu-devel -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: 16.04.2
Looks like Monday: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2017-February/004030.html @wxl | polka.bike c563 cac5 8be1 2f22 a49d 68f6 8b57 a48b c4f2 051a On Feb 9, 2017 08:32, "K1" wrote: > I assume that this the wrong mailing list to ask this question, but does > 16.04.2 come out today? > > warren > > -- > Ubuntu-quality mailing list > Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality > -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: What the "fix released" status really means?
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 6:42 AM, Alberto Salvia Novella < es204904...@gmail.com> wrote: > Is it appropiate to mark a bug as fixed in the Ubuntu package if it's only > fixed in a ppa or upstream but not in release? > In general, I'd say yes. If the PPA or upstream location will get automagically pulled down to release, then yes, it's appropriate. Since every upstream location is either in Debian or some known location (usually Launchpad), it's safe to assume that the fix will come down the pike. The one edge case I can think of is when it's fixed in an individual's PPA that is unrelated to the actual development of the package, then I'd say no. I've seen this kind of thing occur before and it's wonderful to have people fixing stuff on their own, but unless it's in the actual development stream, it's likely to get lost in the ether. I think this logic follows the logic of marking something fixed when it is fixed in a development version of Ubuntu or fixed in a version of Ubuntu greater than the original reporter's version. In other words, they may not be able to immediately install the fix, but eventually they should have access to it after a version upgrade. In this case, QR Tools main development is in Launchpad. It's pushed up to Debian and Ubuntu pulls it down. So yep, makes sense. -- @wxl | polka.bike C563 CAC5 8BE1 2F22 A49D 68F6 8B57 A48B C4F2 051A -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: What the "fix released" status really means?
Oh and one more thing to add to that for more clarity: "Fix Released" means that there is a release version of the software available. The only way the fix is going to get pulled down is if it is released. If it's in an unreleased development branch, I would call that "Fix Committed" instead. The difference? "Fix Committed" means that it's unapproved. "Fix Released" means that it's not only approved but it's in the appropriate state to be packaged. Only upstream release versions can actually be packaged. On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 7:13 AM, Walter Lapchynski wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 6:42 AM, Alberto Salvia Novella < > es204904...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Is it appropiate to mark a bug as fixed in the Ubuntu package if it's >> only fixed in a ppa or upstream but not in release? >> > > In general, I'd say yes. If the PPA or upstream location will get > automagically pulled down to release, then yes, it's appropriate. Since > every upstream location is either in Debian or some known location (usually > Launchpad), it's safe to assume that the fix will come down the pike. > > The one edge case I can think of is when it's fixed in an individual's PPA > that is unrelated to the actual development of the package, then I'd say > no. I've seen this kind of thing occur before and it's wonderful to have > people fixing stuff on their own, but unless it's in the actual development > stream, it's likely to get lost in the ether. > > > I think this logic follows the logic of marking something fixed when it > is fixed in a development version of Ubuntu or fixed in a version of Ubuntu > greater than the original reporter's version. In other words, they may not > be able to immediately install the fix, but eventually they should have > access to it after a version upgrade. > > In this case, QR Tools main development is in Launchpad. It's pushed up to > Debian and Ubuntu pulls it down. So yep, makes sense. > > -- >@wxl | polka.bike > C563 CAC5 8BE1 2F22 A49D > 68F6 8B57 A48B C4F2 051A > -- @wxl | polka.bike C563 CAC5 8BE1 2F22 A49D 68F6 8B57 A48B C4F2 051A -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: [FLAVOURS] QA Flavour Cycle meetup
As much as Lubuntu has consistently been involved in every milestone, I think, honestly, less milestones is attractive. It will, as Nio said, cause us to focus less on getting each milestone out and instead focus on testing across a wider scope. At least, that would be the emphasis to my team. On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote: > Hi, > > [continuing top posting] > > I suggest a compromise with one alpha and one beta release before the > final release. But we should also remind each other to check the daily iso > files - at least check the basic functions (that the live session and > installer work) > > Best regards > Nio > > > Den 2016-07-29 kl. 19:54, skrev Walter Lapchynski: > >> Do you think it necessary to have 3 milestones leading up to the final >> beta? >> >> On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Martin Wimpress >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >>> >>> Excuse the top posting, I've only got my phone with me. >>> >>> The timing didn't work for me to attend the meeting. But I'm certainly >>> interested in keeping the milestones because it has absolutely helped >>> identify issues before the panic of final beta. >>> >>> Regards, Martin. >>> >>> On 29 Jul 2016 6:20 p.m., "Walter Lapchynski" wrote: >>> >>> Well, it didn't seem like anyone showed up and some folks complained >>>> about the timing, while others said they'd rather not talk at all. >>>> >>>> That being said, perhaps we should discuss this in the mailing list. >>>> >>>> Is there anyone amongst flavors who would like to continue doing >>>> milestones? If not, maybe we should just forget about them. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Set Hallstrom >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>>> I would very much like to participate. I don't have much to say about >>>>> it, but i'm interested in reading more about milestones, QA, howtos and >>>>> nottos. Since the meeting isn't confirmed yet and i'm far away from >>>>> home >>>>> and not really willing to rush to a commuter train within an hour, >>>>> i'll let >>>>> my irc avatar log the discussion and read it tomorrow. >>>>> >>>>> Looking forward to see where the discussion will take us, >>>>> >>>>> Set aka sakrecoer >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Set Hallström >>>>> Sent from my Ubuntu pocket computer >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ubuntu-release mailing list >>>>> ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> @wxl | http://polka.bike >>>> Lubuntu Release Manager & Head of QA >>>> Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact >>>> Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader >>>> Ubuntu Membership Board & LoCo Council Member >>>> Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ubuntu-release mailing list >>>> ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com >>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> > -- @wxl | http://polka.bike Lubuntu Release Manager & Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader Ubuntu Membership Board & LoCo Council Member Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: [FLAVOURS] QA Flavour Cycle meetup
Do you think it necessary to have 3 milestones leading up to the final beta? On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Martin Wimpress wrote: > Hi, > > Excuse the top posting, I've only got my phone with me. > > The timing didn't work for me to attend the meeting. But I'm certainly > interested in keeping the milestones because it has absolutely helped > identify issues before the panic of final beta. > > Regards, Martin. > > On 29 Jul 2016 6:20 p.m., "Walter Lapchynski" wrote: > >> Well, it didn't seem like anyone showed up and some folks complained >> about the timing, while others said they'd rather not talk at all. >> >> That being said, perhaps we should discuss this in the mailing list. >> >> Is there anyone amongst flavors who would like to continue doing >> milestones? If not, maybe we should just forget about them. >> >> On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Set Hallstrom >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> I would very much like to participate. I don't have much to say about >>> it, but i'm interested in reading more about milestones, QA, howtos and >>> nottos. Since the meeting isn't confirmed yet and i'm far away from home >>> and not really willing to rush to a commuter train within an hour, i'll let >>> my irc avatar log the discussion and read it tomorrow. >>> >>> Looking forward to see where the discussion will take us, >>> >>> Set aka sakrecoer >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Set Hallström >>> Sent from my Ubuntu pocket computer >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ubuntu-release mailing list >>> ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> @wxl | http://polka.bike >> Lubuntu Release Manager & Head of QA >> Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact >> Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader >> Ubuntu Membership Board & LoCo Council Member >> Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-release mailing list >> ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release >> >> -- @wxl | http://polka.bike Lubuntu Release Manager & Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader Ubuntu Membership Board & LoCo Council Member Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: [FLAVOURS] QA Flavour Cycle meetup
Well, it didn't seem like anyone showed up and some folks complained about the timing, while others said they'd rather not talk at all. That being said, perhaps we should discuss this in the mailing list. Is there anyone amongst flavors who would like to continue doing milestones? If not, maybe we should just forget about them. On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Set Hallstrom wrote: > Hi, > I would very much like to participate. I don't have much to say about it, > but i'm interested in reading more about milestones, QA, howtos and nottos. > Since the meeting isn't confirmed yet and i'm far away from home and not > really willing to rush to a commuter train within an hour, i'll let my irc > avatar log the discussion and read it tomorrow. > > Looking forward to see where the discussion will take us, > > Set aka sakrecoer > > > -- > Set Hallström > Sent from my Ubuntu pocket computer > > > -- > Ubuntu-release mailing list > ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release > -- @wxl | http://polka.bike Lubuntu Release Manager & Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader Ubuntu Membership Board & LoCo Council Member Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: [FLAVOURS] QA Flavour Cycle meetup
This is well worth bringing up again, at least if we care about milestones. It's clear that Ubuntu does not. In fact, some of the Release Team would argue that we would be better off doing a wider scope of testing daily and I don't disagree. Canonical will not be holding our hands on this one. We need to organize together, which we're not doing too well. In fact, because of this, we all most didn't have an Alpha 2 release. No one had really said anything about Alpha 2 until we (Lubuntu) started asking in #ubuntu-release rather late in the day. We didn't know if anyone else wanted to release because no one had sent out an email ahead of time. The Release Team was kind enough to go through with providing images for what we presumed to be the right flavors (Lubuntu, MATE, Kylin— which happened to be the actual flavors intending to release, thankfully), but we cannot expect this from now on. The flavor needs must, as a community, organize themselves ahead of the day images are due to be made available (typically the Tuesday before release on Thursday) and make it clear to the Release Team what the plans are to be. If not, we're just not going to have milestones. Maybe that's not a bad thing. I, for one, would be willing to experiment without them, but I'm not sure everyone agrees. That being said, let's talk! I'd like to suggest we get together in #ubuntu-meeting tomorrow Friday 28 July 2016 at 1700 UTC. Feel free to suggest other days or times, but we need to figure this out before 23 August (Beta 1) and what better time than now? Regardless of whether or not you care about milestones, I think it would be great to have as many opinions as possible, so please come. On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:23 AM, flocculant wrote: > Hey all,` > > just wondering if the QA leads can grab a bit of time to just get together > somehow, put across what we hope to get done this cycle, maybe help each > other out, give each other ideas ... > > free flowing type of thing ... > > We all have to deal with similar issues - all cycle. > > We all have to work with the Canonical people - and it would be a lot > worse if they weren't all awesome ;) > > There's a whole lot we have to do - together surely it's got to be just a > little bit easier. > > We do however need to deal with who amongst us will deal with the > milestones, up to now it has been people from Lubuntu, Mate and Xubuntu > (Jonathan joined in when he was with Kubuntu) > > time for other teams to join in - even if timezones make it hard ... > > -- > Ubuntu-release mailing list > ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release > -- @wxl | http://polka.bike Lubuntu Release Manager & Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader Ubuntu Membership Board & LoCo Council Member Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Is a 16.04 alpha 2 needed?
Automated testing is a decent go/no-go but there's no way automated testing can ever truly replace manual testing, which is generally more exploratory in nature. We find all sorts of little problems this way. Automated testing's great for the truly borked installs, but that's about it. I've included ubuntu-quality so perhaps they can chime in on this one. I'll also add that those images that have seen the most automated testing are the ones that are core Canonical products. Those are the ones that have paid employees working on them constantly. There is a high likelihood that this is the reason why the quality going into automated testing is already quite good. I can't say this is equally true for the various flavors. As for the Release Task Signup, I'm not sure if it's even really truly clear to all members of community what their new responsibility is. I was around during the transition, but all of the current release managers were not. I really don't feel like there's an adequate amount of advertising on the part of the release team about this. Instead, there seems to be an expectation that our volunteer release managers are somehow going to be able to intuit the need to make this happen when they've got other concerns. It does seem that there are a core group of committed folks (myself, elfy, flexiondotorg, and Riddell— some of which are no longer with us) have been responsible for the community release tasks since the change was made. But what about the others? There's Kylin, GNOME, Studio, Myth, etc. Maybe trying to reach them directly might be a good idea. On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:54 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: > Hi Walter, > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 09:42:07PM -0800, Walter Lapchynski wrote: > > I think it's worthwhile doing alphas, especially for an LTS version. > > Could you elaborate what value you see that you're getting out of these > alphas, that couldn't be achieved more effectively by e.g. automated > install > testing against the daily images? To me it looks very much like momentum: > we've always done alphas so we should continue to do alphas. Maybe I'm > missing something, and if I am then let's by all means proceed with alpha 2 > and give the flavor teams what they need. But I'd also like to challenge > folks to think about whether this is still the case, or if there are other > things we could be doing instead that would provide better value to the > flavors for the time invested. > > > So Lubuntu would like to participate. I'd certainly love not to have to > > sign up for Release Tasks, but if I must… > > It doesn't seem like there's so much value to the flavors that people want > to sign up for this in advance. ;) Isn't this somewhat telling in itself? > > Thanks, > -- > Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS > Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. > Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ > slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org > -- @wxl | http://polka.bike Lubuntu Release Manager & Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader Ubuntu Membership Board & LoCo Council Member Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Package QA Tracker
I'm all ears, Nick! @wxl | http://polka.bike Lubuntu Release Manager & Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon Team Leader Ubuntu Membership Board & LoCo Council Member Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-organizer On Aug 16, 2015 9:44 AM, wrote: > On 16/08/15 17:27, Walter Lapchynski wrote: > >> >> so it resets every month? >> >> No. > > It doesn't reset at all. Just finishes at cycle end and then starts again. > > Nick can tell you more about why it was set up as it is. > >> >> @wxl | http://polka.bike >> Lubuntu Release Manager & Head of QA >> Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact >> Ubuntu Oregon Team Leader >> Ubuntu Membership Board & LoCo Council Member >> Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-organizer >> >> On Aug 16, 2015 12:16 AM, > floccul...@gmx.co.uk>> wrote: >> >> On 15/08/15 16:35, Simon Quigley wrote: >> >> >> If a test result for a package in week 1 of a dev cycle >> shows a >> fail and has a bug filed against it why is that invalid in >> week 20 >> if it hasn't been fixed? >> >> My point wasn't that. Then the QA person would have to >> reattach the bug(not so hard if there was somewhat of a history). >> >> I'm not really sure how removing test results for a cycle >> is useful. >> >> I would expect QA people to know if a bug reported against a >> package is still relevant or not. >> >> >> Because of regression. If there is package regression and the >> QA tracker shows a passed result, then it would be a little >> confusing to see a bug report >> concerning the same package >> by the same person, don't you think? >> >> >> Or I would be pleased to be in a position to know that it was a >> regression because I could simply see that the same thing passed >> last month ;) >> >> >> -- Have a nice day, >> Simon Quigley >> >> >> -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list >> Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com >> <mailto:Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com> >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality >> >> > -- > Ubuntu-quality mailing list > Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality > -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Package QA Tracker
so it resets every month? @wxl | http://polka.bike Lubuntu Release Manager & Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon Team Leader Ubuntu Membership Board & LoCo Council Member Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-organizer On Aug 16, 2015 12:16 AM, wrote: > On 15/08/15 16:35, Simon Quigley wrote: > >> >> If a test result for a package in week 1 of a dev cycle shows a >> fail and has a bug filed against it why is that invalid in week 20 >> if it hasn't been fixed? >> >> My point wasn't that. Then the QA person would have to reattach the >> bug(not so hard if there was somewhat of a history). >> >> I'm not really sure how removing test results for a cycle is useful. >> >> I would expect QA people to know if a bug reported against a >> package is still relevant or not. >> >> >> Because of regression. If there is package regression and the QA tracker >> shows a passed result, then it would be a little confusing to see a bug >> report >> concerning the same package >> by the same person, don't you think? >> >> > Or I would be pleased to be in a position to know that it was a regression > because I could simply see that the same thing passed last month ;) > >> >> -- >> Have a nice day, >> Simon Quigley >> > > -- > Ubuntu-quality mailing list > Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality > -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Fwd: QA Team on Live Q and A today @ 1600 UTC
Yep. With the Google Hangouts on Air, they are recorded for posterity on YouTube, just like the Ubuntu Online Session. Usually if you go back to where the link was to watch, you can just hit play and watch it. But I'll save you the trouble: https://youtu.be/fBeRaSjqrmg On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Istimsak Abdulbasir wrote: > I know missed it. Is there a recap of what was discussed? > On May 19, 2015 11:42 AM, "Nicholas Skaggs" > wrote: > >> I'm SO sorry, I got the time wrong. It's at 1700 UTC. I repeat, 1700 UTC. >> This gives you a bit more time.. See you there! >> >> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Walter Lapchynski >> wrote: >> >>> >>> -- Forwarded message -- >>> From: Nicholas Skaggs >>> Date: Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:21 AM >>> Subject: QA Team on Live Q and A today @ 1600 UTC >>> To: "ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com" >>> >>> >>> Max Brustkern <https://plus.google.com/110014243183475029083> and Leo >>> Arias >>> <https://plus.google.com/116755371816795179214> will be joining me and >>> Michael >>> Hall <https://plus.google.com/109919666334513536939> to talk about QA >>> and >>> anything else you might ask. Come and ask your questions in today's live >>> Q >>> and A. Join us at 1600 UTC on ubuntuonair.com! >>> -- >>> Ubuntu-quality mailing list >>> Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> @wxl | http://polka.bike >>> Lubuntu Release Manager & Head of QA >>> Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact >>> Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader >>> Ubuntu Membership Board & LoCo Council Member >>> Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer >>> >>> -- >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa >>> Post to : lubuntu...@lists.launchpad.net >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa >> Post to : lubuntu...@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> -- @wxl | http://polka.bike Lubuntu Release Manager & Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader Ubuntu Membership Board & LoCo Council Member Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Some isos not booting
tl;dr post-final Beta Lubuntu Vivid fails to boot in virtual machines, but not Xubuntu Brendan said: > I have this bug about desktop images in virtualbox of both amd64 and i386 > yesterday > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1441843 I appended the bug report with a lot of information I've collected from this thread as well as conversations I've had on IRC and subscribed some of the key people. If you guys could report any further findings you have about what does and does not work, that would be great. With final release coming next week, we need to move quickly if we intend to have anything but bare metal testing this time around. I entreaty all flavors to test themselves! -- @wxl | http://polka.bike Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Some isos not booting
using VMs (which is where the problem lies), that wouldn't be the issue. @wxl Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon Team Leader Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-organizer On Apr 9, 2015 8:08 AM, "chris hermansen" wrote: > Good day all. > > > > > > > I will not claim to be an expert on the images, but if this were the > case > > then all virtualized environments would be affected, no? That would > > include those of us using VMware as our solution (such as myself) instead > > of VBox. > > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > Can't rule it out. Thinking of possible causes. > > I wonder if this could be related to the problem that showed up in 14.10 > where usb-creator under 14.04 made a non-bootable image but usb-creator > under 14.10 made a bootable image? > > (I might have that off a bit but if not exactly right it is close) > > What about trying alternative boot disk creation methodologies hosted in > different versions of Ubuntu? > -- > Ubuntu-quality mailing list > Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality > -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Some isos not booting
seems to be that is the case, but only with the desktop installer. alternate's fine. haven't checked i386, either, nor have we checked the upstream version of vbox. On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: > Well I need the ISOs for other tests, so there. I'm not likely do be > doing this permanently. > > The Lubuntu image zsync'd from the downloads link booted successfully > and a "Try Lubuntu" got me to the graphical interface from a VMware > Workstation 10 system. Same with the Ubuntu image from the same date > off cdimage.u.c > > Perhaps something about Virtual Box is causing the problem? > > > Thomas > > On 04/08/2015 03:13 PM, Walter Lapchynski wrote: >> Be careful, Thomas. If you keep up activity like this, we might end up >> recruiting you for a permanent position in Lubuntu Testing XD >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: >>> I have 15.04 Ubuntu and Lubuntu amd64 Desktop ISOs downloading now and >>> they'll complete in about an hour - I'll run a boot test on both in a >>> VMware environment after they download. >>> >>> -- >>> Thomas Warf >>> >>> >>> >>> *Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse any typos, as they are likely to >>> happen by accident.* >>> >>>> On Apr 8, 2015, at 15:05, Walter Lapchynski wrote: >>>> >>>> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/326/builds/91703/downloads >>>> >>>> This has been tested on VirtualBox 4.3.26 from the repos. Not sure if >>>> it's a problem with the upstream version. >>>> >>>> No such problems on bare metal. >>>> >>>> If anyone wants to try other virtualization solutions, go for it. >>>> >>>> Also other flavors should check their stuff. Apparently this is not >>>> currently a problem for Xubuntu. Baffling. >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Ian Bruntlett >>>>> wrote: >>>>> On 8 April 2015 at 19:51, Nio Wiklund wrote:> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Elfy, >>>>>> >>>>>> Which iso-file is it: Date? 32/64 bits? desktop/alternate? >>>>> Also, to confirm the iso file's identity, could you post its MD5? To get >>>>> it >>>>> run "md5sum filename.iso" from the command line. >>>>> >>>>> HTH! >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -- ACCU - Professionalism in programming - http://www.accu.org >>>>> -- Free Software page - currently down >>>>> -- My writing - https://sites.google.com/site/ianbruntlett/ >>>>> -- >>>>> Ubuntu-quality mailing list >>>>> Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> @wxl | http://polka.bike >>>> Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA >>>> Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact >>>> Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader >>>> Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ubuntu-quality mailing list >>>> Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com >>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality >> >> > -- @wxl | http://polka.bike Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Some isos not booting
Be careful, Thomas. If you keep up activity like this, we might end up recruiting you for a permanent position in Lubuntu Testing XD On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: > I have 15.04 Ubuntu and Lubuntu amd64 Desktop ISOs downloading now and > they'll complete in about an hour - I'll run a boot test on both in a VMware > environment after they download. > > -- > Thomas Warf > > > > *Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse any typos, as they are likely to happen > by accident.* > >> On Apr 8, 2015, at 15:05, Walter Lapchynski wrote: >> >> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/326/builds/91703/downloads >> >> This has been tested on VirtualBox 4.3.26 from the repos. Not sure if >> it's a problem with the upstream version. >> >> No such problems on bare metal. >> >> If anyone wants to try other virtualization solutions, go for it. >> >> Also other flavors should check their stuff. Apparently this is not >> currently a problem for Xubuntu. Baffling. >> >>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Ian Bruntlett >>> wrote: >>> On 8 April 2015 at 19:51, Nio Wiklund wrote:> >>> >>>> >>>> Hi Elfy, >>>> >>>> Which iso-file is it: Date? 32/64 bits? desktop/alternate? >>> >>> Also, to confirm the iso file's identity, could you post its MD5? To get it >>> run "md5sum filename.iso" from the command line. >>> >>> HTH! >>> >>> -- >>> -- ACCU - Professionalism in programming - http://www.accu.org >>> -- Free Software page - currently down >>> -- My writing - https://sites.google.com/site/ianbruntlett/ >>> -- >>> Ubuntu-quality mailing list >>> Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality >> >> >> >> -- >> @wxl | http://polka.bike >> Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA >> Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact >> Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader >> Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-quality mailing list >> Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality -- @wxl | http://polka.bike Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Some isos not booting
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/326/builds/91703/downloads This has been tested on VirtualBox 4.3.26 from the repos. Not sure if it's a problem with the upstream version. No such problems on bare metal. If anyone wants to try other virtualization solutions, go for it. Also other flavors should check their stuff. Apparently this is not currently a problem for Xubuntu. Baffling. On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Ian Bruntlett wrote: > On 8 April 2015 at 19:51, Nio Wiklund wrote:> > >> >> Hi Elfy, >> >> Which iso-file is it: Date? 32/64 bits? desktop/alternate? >> > > Also, to confirm the iso file's identity, could you post its MD5? To get it > run "md5sum filename.iso" from the command line. > > HTH! > > -- > -- ACCU - Professionalism in programming - http://www.accu.org > -- Free Software page - currently down > -- My writing - https://sites.google.com/site/ianbruntlett/ > -- > Ubuntu-quality mailing list > Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality -- @wxl | http://polka.bike Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Community Council catchup - QA Team
I should be there too, albeit a bit distracted by our morning work meeting. @wxl Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon Team Leader On Feb 18, 2015 6:38 PM, "Elfy" wrote: > On 19/02/15 02:06, Istimsak Abdulbasir wrote: > > I'll be there ;-) > > So will I be > > :D > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Nicholas Skaggs < > > nicholas.ska...@canonical.com> wrote: > > > >> On 02/16/2015 12:25 PM, Elfy wrote: > >> > >>> On 24/10/14 10:47, Elfy wrote: > >>> > Hello all, > > The Community Council is scheduling meetings over the next cycle with > the various teams, councils and boards in the Ubuntu community. > > The meeting with QA is scheduled for 19th February @ 17:00UTC. > > For more information, please see our Agenda[1] page on the wiki. > > > regards > > Elfy > > [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda > > Just a quick reminder that this is coming up on Thursday > >>> Thanks for the reminder! Everyone, please feel free to come and meet > >> with the council. Simply show up on IRC and make your comments known. > It's > >> a great time to review what we're doing and how things are working. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Nicholas > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Ubuntu-quality mailing list > >> Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com > >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > >> mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality > >> > > > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-quality mailing list > Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality > -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team announcement: ubuntu-rtm milestone changes
Re: QA signing off on silos and such, how do we participate? On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Łukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Some of you might already know about it from other announcements: The > OTA-1 milestone we have planned for the end of this month (ww09-2015 > [1]) will need to happen early due to client requests. How will this > change the standard situation? > > We will essentially be still following our milestone schedule as before > [2]. The only difference is that instead of in 2 weeks, everything will > happen next week instead. So the rough timeline is: > > * February 18th - landing gates get closed and QA finishes signing off > existing silos > * February 18th (UTC evening) - the promotion candidate is built and QA > start their testing > * February 20th - planned promotion date > > We apologize for the late notice. We know that this leaves very little > time for submitting fixes, which is why would generally appreciate > prioritizing critical fixes beyond anything else. > > Let's make this happen. > Thank you! > > [1] > https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/ww09-2015 > [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LandingTeam/MilestoneSchedule > > Best regards, > > -- > Łukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak > lukasz.zemc...@canonical.com > www.canonical.com > > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone > Post to : ubuntu-ph...@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- @wxl | http://polka.bike Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Call for testing: GTK 3.15.4
If you can test anything, you can test the PPA. Not very hardware dependent. On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Saqman2060 wrote: > I would love to test this if I have adequate hardware. Well do my best though. > > -Original Message- > From: "Nicholas Skaggs" > Sent: 2/11/2015 11:16 AM > To: "ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com" > Subject: Fwd: Call for testing: GTK 3.15.4 > > Some good classic desktop fun and testing. Have at it if you've not > played yet. > > > Forwarded Message > Subject:Call for testing: GTK 3.15.4 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 17:22:35 + > From: Iain Lane > To: ubuntu-desk...@lists.ubuntu.com > CC: lars.uebernic...@canonical.com > > > > Desktop fans, > > We're thinking about having the released version of GTK3 in 15.04 be > 3.16, which is the current in-development version to be released towards > the end of March. > > This version contains lots of cool stuff > >https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK+/Roadmap#line-58 > > but the main motivation from our side is that it contains an > implementation of overlay scrollbars that will allow us to remove our > existing GTK module which is becoming harder and taking longer to > maintain over time. > > Please test the versions I've just uploaded to the Ubuntu desktop PPA > >ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ppa > > and let me know if you see any new bad behaviour not mentioned below or > if you have any good reason we might not want to do this. > > Some known issues which we'll try to fix for the release: > >- There's a black notification shown in the greeter >- Not all apps have overlay scrollbars (devhelp, gnome-terminal, ...) >- gnome-terminal shrinks to 1x1 sometimes (cherry-pick > 07fe194eb60aa9ec2eacdafdb4ba6ac91a636f34, but we suspect this may be > incomplete) >- Overlay scrollbars aren't styled like ours were >- They hide completely when inactive, meaning that you don't know how > far you've scrolled > > Cheers, > > -- > Iain Lane [ i...@orangesquash.org.uk ] > Debian Developer [ la...@debian.org ] > Ubuntu Developer [ la...@ubuntu.com ] > > > > -- > Ubuntu-quality mailing list > Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality -- @wxl Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Feedback from the QA Jam in San Francisco
You can always make Pastebins permanent. Ubuntu Quality currently recommends Gist which is inheriently permanent: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 5:21 PM, Saqman2060 wrote: > Glad you had fun happy the people took pride in their work. I do wish there > was something better than pastebin. > > Istimsak Abdulbasir > Lubuntu-QA team member > > -Original Message- > From: "Elizabeth K. Joseph" > Sent: 2/10/2015 9:44 PM > To: "ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com" > Subject: Feedback from the QA Jam in San Francisco > > Hi everyone, > > First off, I want to thank elfy, knome and balloons for their work in > reviewing the QA documentation in the lead up to the Ubuntu Global Jam > that occurred this past weekend. This and other documentation, like > which USB creation tools were working best on each release right now > really helped me prepare for the event I hosted in San Francisco on > Sunday. > > Our jam lasted a long 6 hours (thanks to our hosts at Gandi.net for > tolerating us past the scheduled 5!), throughout which we had about 12 > people in total coming and going, I had the following feedback: > > 1. Logging into the tracker was near impossible for new people because > of: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1416893 > > Three folks who attended were new to doing any kind of work on Ubuntu, > so they didn't have old Launchpad or Ubuntu SSO accounts, we never did > figure out how to get them logged in. After the event, I learned about > the existing bug I referenced above, but it wasn't soon enough to help > them at the event. > > 2. The row of "Bugs to look for" is too overwhelming: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1366581 > > The format of the event was pretty loose, people came and went, some > were more experienced than others and I just needed to give them the > ISO tracker link and swing by to help as needed, others I walked > through step by step. The consistent feedback I got was that the whole > process is a lot of new stuff, and once you add it mouse-overs for > each bug and opening them to see if they even impact the flavor you're > testing, it makes the process overwhelming for newcomers. > > I ended up telling them to write down on paper all the bugs they > found, and then I'd help them file (or confirm with existing) them > with my in-brain knowledge of what bugs were existing bugs in Xubuntu, > and the Xubuntu team would just sort out duplicates later that I > didn't know about (sorry Xubuntu team, I love you! :)). > > 3. The "URL to the hardware profile" continues to confuse people: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1017207 > > I really don't like this field, people never know what it's for and > are worried about putting in the wrong thing. > > Even once I explain it's just a spot to put a link to your hardware > specs, I got funny looks when I told folks that they could link to a > manufacturer's description of their hardware. When one contributor > tried to log in to wiki.ubuntu.com to create a page for his hardware > profile, we sat there for 5 minutes (we counted, no exaggeration). > trying to log in before giving up and leaving the field blank because > the wiki wouldn't complete loading for log in. Since the Ubuntu > pastebins expire, this leaves limited options for a place where people > can put their hardware information. > > 4. Would do again! > > Not all feedback was negative! It was a really great event, if I do > say so myself :) > > I didn't have any attendees quietly slink away, everyone seemed pretty > engaged, and several told me they were were appreciative of what they > learned and said they'd be interested to coming to such an event > again. For some it was the focus on Xubuntu (a flavor they don't > typically use), for others it was using pre-Beta software for the > first time in a supervised, safe, setting where they could ask > questions, one mentioned that he was really happy that as a "simple > end user" he could participate in helping with a release, and others > really enjoyed just getting a peek under the hood of how we prepare > for releases. > > If anyone else wants to do an event like this, I do recommend having a > high ratio of knowledgeable leads to attendees. I was fortunate to > have a couple Ubuntu Members who came along (thanks elky and rww!) and > I could leverage for assistance when things got busy, a ratio of 5 > attendees to 1 helper would probably make it so you're not exhausted > at the end like I was. Next time I probably will have to more formally > line up some helpers. > > -- > Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph || Lyz || pleia2 > > -- > Ubuntu-quality mailing list > Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality > -- > Ubuntu-quality mailing list > Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality --
Re: package tracker
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote: >>> On 25/01/15 15:19, Walter Lapchynski wrote: >>>> hey, i just noticed this. how do we get LXDE in there? >> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus > Walter, the code for that module is here: > http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/drupal7-rewrite/files/head:/modules/qapkgstatus/. > I *assume* the actual application list is maintained as part of the database > installation. I don't have super powers to change it however. Well, FWIW, neither LXDE or Xfce are in there. Not sure if we care or not, but it seems like it would be good to have all of our desktop environments represented. -- @wxl Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: xserver-xorg-input drivers incomplete in some Lubuntu 14.04.2 images
Ah, if you're having problems with extra packages and we're having problems with missing packages, it may be a similar problem. I've made mention of our bug on your report and vice versa. Do you actually see any difference in the seeds or default-settings? I couldn't find anything in ours. In any case, it sounds like infinity is planning on delaying the release of 14.04.2, but from what I can see on the [logs][], it's not clear (yet) when this is going to happen. My hope is we'll receive some official announcement on the subject :) [logs]: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/02/05/%23ubuntu-release.html#t08:5611 On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 1:01 AM, Elfy wrote: > On 05/02/15 08:48, Nio Wiklund wrote: >> Den 2015-02-05 09:34, Elfy skrev: >>> On 05/02/15 08:02, Nio Wiklund wrote: >>>> Den 2015-02-05 08:33, Elfy skrev: >>>>> On 05/02/15 00:59, Walter Lapchynski wrote: >>>>>> I don't think we're going to be able to release 14.04.2 Lubuntu, much >>>>>> to my chagrin. I'm deeply saddened by this, but I've got a real >>>>>> showstopper: >>>>>> >>>>> Doesn't look at the moment that we'll be releasing either. >>>>> >>>>> We've ended up with a whole slew of unwanted packages in our image >>>>> somehow. >>>>> >>>>>>> I'm perplexed by this as well as our developer, so this is >>>>>>> interesting indeed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Basically on SOME images (not all, and not a specific type or a >>>>>>> specific arch), xserver-xorg-input drivers are not complete. I've >>>>>>> tried to look at our seeds and can't find anything really surprising, >>>>>>> and no changes have been made on them in aeons. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can anyone provide some insight for further testing?! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1417784 >>>> Hi Walter and Elfy, >>>> >>>> Does this mean that Lubuntu and Xubuntu 14.04.2 will be delayed or not >>>> released at all? >>> I would guess that it would mean delays. >>> >>> As it stands all of the Xubuntu tests have been critically failed by me. >>> >>> I don't want to take this mail anymore offtopic though as it is about a >>> specific issue that Lubuntu are seeing :) >>>> What about for example >>>> >>>> 'lubuntu-trusty-desktop-i386.iso' >>>> >>>> where we have found no red bugs? >>>> >>>> Best regards >>>> Nio >>>> >>> >> OK, >> >> I'll try to be ready for testing if/when a new version of 14.04.2 >> arrives :-) > Looks like a delay is in the pipeline now. > > check the #ubuntu-release logs later when I think the current discussion > will have finished :) >> Best regards >> Nio >> > > > -- > Ubuntu-quality mailing list > Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality -- @wxl Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: xserver-xorg-input drivers incomplete in some Lubuntu 14.04.2 images
I don't think we're going to be able to release 14.04.2 Lubuntu, much to my chagrin. I'm deeply saddened by this, but I've got a real showstopper: > I'm perplexed by this as well as our developer, so this is > interesting indeed. > > Basically on SOME images (not all, and not a specific type or a > specific arch), xserver-xorg-input drivers are not complete. I've > tried to look at our seeds and can't find anything really surprising, > and no changes have been made on them in aeons. > > Can anyone provide some insight for further testing?! > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1417784 -- @wxl Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: package tracker
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 7:30 AM, Elfy wrote: > On 25/01/15 15:19, Walter Lapchynski wrote: >> hey, i just noticed this. how do we get LXDE in there? > Why would the package tracker have a desktop environment test? > Is that not tested when you boot with a lubuntu image? Sorry, package status: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus -- @wxl Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
package tracker
hey, i just noticed this. how do we get LXDE in there? -- @wxl Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Community Milestone Process
I have created a document¹ reflecting the roles the community members are to play in the milestone process. If you have not heard of this, I encourage you to consider helping for future milestone releases. Thanks and happy testing ;) ¹ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityMilestoneProcess -- @wxl Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Fwd: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Keyobard issues in 14.10
I'm just saying it appears to be fixed. Might be a good reason to add it back in if you've lost any functionality and/or gotten complaints from users. On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Elfy wrote: > On 17/01/15 16:05, Walter Lapchynski wrote: >> >> I know Lubuntu is not the only one with iBus problems so I bring this to >> your attention. For a start let me know how it goes Xubuntu, elfy. > > > We had issues in 14.04 that no-one outside of Xubuntu appeared to care about > - so we don't seed it anymore. > > I saw the same in a few flavours > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/1284635 > > > >> @wxl >> Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA >> Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact >> Ubuntu Oregon Team Leader >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: "Barry Titterton" >> Date: Jan 17, 2015 7:29 AM >> Subject: Fwd: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Keyobard issues in 14.10 >> To: "lubuntu user list" >> Cc: >> >> >> >> >> Forwarded Message Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Keyobard >> issues in 14.10 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 14:03:25 + From: Colin Law >>Reply-To: UK Ubuntu Talk >>To: UK Ubuntu >> Talk >> >> On 17 January 2015 at 13:42, Barry Titterton >> wrote: >>> >>> On 17/01/15 13:14, Colin Law wrote: >>>> >>>> On 17 January 2015 at 12:42, Gareth France >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I've been suffering from this since release day but it's driving me >>>>> nuts >>>>> so >>>>> I have to speak out and see if anyone knows the solution. My machine >>>>> keeps >>>>> defaulting to the American keyboard layout. The icon in the taskbar >>>>> always >>>>> displays UK but the layout is wrong. I have to switch to American and >>>>> then >>>>> back to UK almost every time I boot up to resolve it. >>>> >>>> Sounds like this bug, a fixed version of ibus should be in the repos >>>> soon. >>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/ibus/+bug/1240198 >>>> >>>> Colin >>>> >>> The Lubuntu distro has been suffering from ibus problems for quite a >>> while. >>> It is nice to know that a fix is on the way. >> >> You can install it from the 'proposed' repo, instructions in one of >> the comments on the bug. >> >> Colin >> >> -- >> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ukhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Lubuntu-users mailing list >> lubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users > > > > -- > Ubuntu-quality mailing list > Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality -- @wxl Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Fwd: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Keyobard issues in 14.10
I know Lubuntu is not the only one with iBus problems so I bring this to your attention. For a start let me know how it goes Xubuntu, elfy. @wxl Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon Team Leader -- Forwarded message -- From: "Barry Titterton" Date: Jan 17, 2015 7:29 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Keyobard issues in 14.10 To: "lubuntu user list" Cc: Forwarded Message Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Keyobard issues in 14.10 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 14:03:25 + From: Colin Law Reply-To: UK Ubuntu Talk To: UK Ubuntu Talk On 17 January 2015 at 13:42, Barry Titterton wrote: > On 17/01/15 13:14, Colin Law wrote: >> >> On 17 January 2015 at 12:42, Gareth France >> wrote: >>> >>> I've been suffering from this since release day but it's driving me nuts >>> so >>> I have to speak out and see if anyone knows the solution. My machine >>> keeps >>> defaulting to the American keyboard layout. The icon in the taskbar >>> always >>> displays UK but the layout is wrong. I have to switch to American and >>> then >>> back to UK almost every time I boot up to resolve it. >> >> Sounds like this bug, a fixed version of ibus should be in the repos soon. >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/ibus/+bug/1240198 >> >> Colin >> > The Lubuntu distro has been suffering from ibus problems for quite a while. > It is nice to know that a fix is on the way. You can install it from the 'proposed' repo, instructions in one of the comments on the bug. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ukhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Lubuntu-users mailing list lubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Call for Testing: Unity8 Full Shell Rotation
i'd love to do this but i have a non-"canonical" (hahahah!) device. there's supposedly a port but the info's outdated/missing. i've written the maintainer to no avail. any further ideas? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/p3110 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote: > If you have device, give this a shot! > > > Forwarded Message > Subject:[Ubuntu-phone] Call for Testing: Unity8 Full Shell Rotation > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 09:50:14 -0600 > From: Kevin Gunn > To: ubuntu-phone > > > > Hi all, > First, thank you for considering to participate in this testing. Your > effort helps us find issues to fix & gain the confidence we need to > land this feature. > > Background... > Recently the Unity UI team has put in effort around "full shell > rotation". This is the feature where the shell follows the application > orientations. You might have noticed the indicator panel stays put > when the messaging application moves from portrait to landscape on the > phone, this "fixes" that. Likewise, when an application is fixed to a > position out of preference, the shell will also remain in the > applications preferred orientation. > > In order to deliver this feature we had to break applications > expression of orientation. Which drove us to discuss with our > Canonical stakeholders in the SDK team, Design team, and Community > applcations whether or not applications should have to express > rotation support (opt-in) or rotate all applications by default, > unless they specify their orientations (opt-out). We collectively > decided it's best to have an opt-out approach. We've included this > change into this ppa for testing. So it's a great opportunity for > application developers to update their applications and test ahead of > our landing. > > the plan > Everything you need to know is here > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8/FullShellRotation > > I will ask for a little grace on this as I feel I may have pushed this > out a bit early. The feature is working on phone but there are > definitely issues on unity8-desktop & tablets that would prevent us > from landing. However I felt like making this call for testing now was > important to start getting feedback and ready folks for the idea of > opt-out application rotation. That being said we'll probably keep this > call for testing open a bit longer than one might expect to both get > comfortable & confident with the change, as well as make the final bug > fixes/polish needed to get it landed. > > If you have any questions, let me know. > Thanks for testing! > br,kg > > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone > Post to : ubuntu-ph...@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-quality mailing list > Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality -- @wxl Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Need help debugging guest session
If particular session manager causes a problem that others don't, there are two possible causes: 1. The session manager changed to be incompatible with the guest session 2. Vice versa I'm not sure how I can determine which is the cause, but lightdm's guest session is not playing well with recent versions of lxsession in Lubuntu. No such problems from Xubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxsession/+bug/1273524 That being said, help? @wxl Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon Team Leader -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Hello
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote: > On 11/03/2014 10:09 AM, Ian Bruntlett wrote: >> Den 2014-11-03 15:39, Nicholas Skaggs skrev: CC'ing the list as this is useful for all. cdimage is still up and you can find the images there. >> I note that the iso images won't fit on a CD and this is listed as a bug. > The team still endeavors to keep them as small as possible, but > they gave up so to speak staying under the cd size limit. USB keys are the > primary way to consume the image now; that and burning a dvd if you need > pressed physical media. Yep, totally true. The only caveat is that Lubuntu has been trying for quite a while to keep under CD size. The reason for this is our commitment to keep those old machines out of the scrap heap. Many of them have various and sundry issues with USB and DVD. I know what you all are thinking, but we try hard to be the netBSD of the Ubuntu family. ;) I am confident we can guarantee this for the Alternate images but I know at the end of the cycle, PPC (which we chose not to release for other reasons) and i386 were outside normal CD size. We tried to fix this in vain. I'm not sure we will be able to continue to allow for this unless we start slimming Lubuntu down even more. It's already pretty slim. The other thing to consider is that our development is focused on dropping the GTK toolkit in lieu of Qt. What impact this will have on the images is uncertain. The Qt version of LXDE is coming along nicely but it's not complete. Additionally, there are applications to think about. I would keep a watch on the Lubuntu/Testing wiki which now has an updates section: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Updates I should draw your attention specifically to the blueprints for 15.04: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-v-flavor-lubuntu -- @wxl Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Hello
On Nov 3, 2014 7:22 AM, "Elfy" wrote: > On 03/11/14 15:09, Ian Bruntlett wrote: >> Den 2014-11-03 15:39, Nicholas Skaggs skrev: CC'ing the list as this is useful for all. cdimage is still up and you can find the images there. >> I note that the iso images won't fit on a CD and this is listed as a bug. > I think that it's only Lubuntu who's image fits on CD now. There has been talk about that. We've tried hard to keep it CD sized but it becomes increasingly more difficult, at least for the desktop image. At some point, we're just going to have to accept it. Also, Ian, if you haven't already, please join the lubuntu...@lists.launchpad.net mailing list as that's where a lot of Lubuntu specific discussion happens. I'll try to make sure it gets cc'd here in the future. @wxl Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon Team Leader -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Ubuntu-quality Digest, Vol 84, Issue 29
>> me > Ian Bruntlett > Point taken. However I want to avoid clogging up developer's time with bug > reports that were either caused by the tester or tester's hardware. Better to report and have the report invalidated than to have no report at all. >> Please make sure to subscribe the Lubuntu Packages Team, by the way. > Done that :) I mean subscribe the team to the bug report. > FYI the problems I've been experiencing have been written up on:- > https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-software-center/+bug/1385920 It's a good start. Needs a bunch more info. Keep an eye out there. Let's continue this conversation on that bug report. Having all the documentation on that report will be essential for people to make sense of it all. > I am using Lubuntu > alternate i386. I don't recall seeing a "live cd" option there. That's what the Desktop version is. > I have a (paper, hardback, A5) notebook that I document my adventures on to > avoid getting extremely confused. You should make sure what you find is documented in the wiki for others to keep from getting confused, too! > Now all I need to do is to find the appropriate package to install > the Intel 810 graphics drivers from. What makes you think this is your problem, besides the video mode error? You know you can change video mode at boot time, right? http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO-16.html Subsequently, if you find the right mode, you can permanently edit GRUB to use this. -- @wxl Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Final Image Testing for Utopic!
> From: Ian Bruntlett : > This computer works fine with 14.04LTS and fails with 14.10. > -- ACCU - Professionalism in programming - http://www.accu.org I think "professionalism in programming" would suggest creating a bug report. Indeed, that is the best place to have all this troubleshooting information exist. This way bug triagers, users, and developers can sort through it and try to make sense out of it. I can tell you as Lubuntu's Release Manager, we had no such bug come up during the cycle except the one I already mentioned that was fixed and that affected all flavors. Please make sure to subscribe the Lubuntu Packages Team, by the way. Thanks! -- @wxl Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Final Image Testing for Utopic!
Ian Bruntlett said: > I have tested 2 lubuntu images. Which ones? At this point you should be checking the images here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds Judging by your message, you were using the alternate version. You have come across two fixed bugs. > The first one displayed a blank screen > where a login screen should have been visible. The bug report that should be related to this one is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1371651 This bug existed in the release of Beta2 (20140926), but was fixed in the daily image 20140929. > The other one failed to > install, the key error message from the installer being "No installable > kernel was found in the defined APT sources". The installer still installed > the packages. On booting, as could be expected, there was no kernel and the > system boots straight into memtest86+ The bug report that should be related to this one is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1380774 Note this fix came with the 20141017.1 image version of the Final release. > Originally I didn't post anything because by the time I found them, they > were already listed on the appropriate Ubuntu web pages. What would you > prefer I do in future? Report only bugs that haven't been listed? Or report > listed bugs with info about how a known bug affects my particular test > system? I would suggest searching for similar bug reports (you would have found them easily) and/or looking for what other people are reporting on the tracker for the relevant day. If you get these problems that no one else gets, it's pretty unlikely. However, the possibility exists of some sort of regression. I find it unlikely, but it's possible. If you are using the right image and have checked the md5 (use zsync, it does it for you), please get in touch ASAP. -- @wxl Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
