Re: Upgrading 12.04 to 13.04

[Thomas Corwin]

Thank you everyone. I only used he term "upgrading" because I am using the 
Windows installer "wubi.exe" to use Ubuntu 12.04.2 (which by the way, there are 
so many graphical errors, it's not even funny). I will try to use what Scott 
suggested, and upgrade to 12.10 and then 13.04. 

I wanted to upgrade to 13.04 so I could start contributing to the Ubuntu Manual 
for 13.04. 

Thanks everyone!
Thomas Corwin

On Mar 13, 2013, at 9:50 AM, "Ali Linx (amjjawad)"  wrote:

> Hello Thomas,
> 
> Thanks for your email :)
> 
> First thing first, you need to understand the difference between "upgrading" 
> and "installing" new version. A simple google search will reveal lots of 
> links which everyone actually need to have a look at. At least, to have some 
> basic understanding :)
> 
> I can discuss some major differences here:
> 1- Upgrading is usually longer (takes longer time) than installing.
> 2- If you don't have /home partition, you will lose your settings, etc 
> (someone please correct me if I'm mistaken).
> 3- If you have limited internet usage per month, upgrading is not a good idea.
> 4- There is no such a direct way to upgrade from 12.04 for example to 13.04
> 
> 
> By the way, 13.04 is not yet final, it is still under development.
> 
> If you would like to have a look and play with 13.04, you can download and 
> install it on a different partition, or virtual machine or on an USB Drive. 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:14 AM, Thomas Corwin  wrote:
>> Hello All!
>> 
>> I was wondering if there was a way to upgrade to 13.04 via the terminal. If 
>> there is, how can I do it?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Thomas Corwin
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Re: Upgrading 12.04 to 13.04

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 03/13/2013 03:03 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:

On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:21:18 PM Ali Linx wrote:

2- If you don't have /home partition, you will lose your settings, etc
(someone please correct me if I'm mistaken).


You are mistaken.
I have systems that have been upgraded to 12.04 from as far back as 7.10.
There's really almost never a reason to reinstall.

Hmm, then are you saying this is wrong?
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving

Setting up /home on a separate partition is beneficial because your

settings, files, and desktop will be maintained if you upgrade,
(re)install
Ubuntu or another distro. This works because /home has a subdirectory for
each user's settings and files which contain all the data & settings of
that user. Telling Ubuntu to use an existing home partition can be done by
selecting "Manual Partitioning" during the installation of Ubuntu and
specifying that you want your home partitions mount point to be /home,
*ensure you mark your /home partition not be formatted in the process*.
You should also make sure the usernames you enter for accounts during
installation match usernames that existed in a previous installation.

 From my understanding, having /home will help you to upgrade smoothly
without losing anything :)
If you don't have /home, I'm not 100% sure what could happen.

That was my point :)

Yes.  It's wrong.  Even if you reinstall Ubuntu, it will recognize and
preserve and existing home directory.  The one case where that is correct is
if you install a different distro.  There are reasons why you might want /home
on a different partition, but they are mostly, IMO, obsolete.  There is zero
need to put /home in a separate partition for upgradeability.

Scott K


On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Scott Kitterman

wrote:

On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 05:50:12 PM Ali Linx wrote:
...


2- If you don't have /home partition, you will lose your settings, etc
(someone please correct me if I'm mistaken).

...

You are mistaken.

I have systems that have been upgraded to 12.04 from as far back as 7.10.
There's really almost never a reason to reinstall.

Also, unless someone mails you the installation media, you'll have to
download
that, so reinstalling will not save bandwidth.  It's also not faster if
you
include the time needed to download the installation media.

Scott K

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Scott is correct here, in that as long as you select the upgrade or 
re-install option in ubiquity it will overwrite only the system files.. 
that is, nothing that is found in /home. Since the disk itself isn't 
formatted when you do this, your data will be safe. If you create a user 
that matches your current account name, the /home/user folder will match 
and your first login will be greeted by your old data. That said, 
personally I'm a big advocate of a /home partition (gives you more 
control in multi-boot situations), but not of the default suggestion of 
/swap partitions (swap files only please, and only if needed!).. To each 
there own :-)


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Re: Upgrading 12.04 to 13.04

[Scott Kitterman]

On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:21:18 PM Ali Linx wrote:
> > 2- If you don't have /home partition, you will lose your settings, etc
> > (someone please correct me if I'm mistaken).
> > 
> > 
> > You are mistaken.
> > I have systems that have been upgraded to 12.04 from as far back as 7.10.
> > There's really almost never a reason to reinstall.
> 
> Hmm, then are you saying this is wrong?
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
> 
> Setting up /home on a separate partition is beneficial because your
> > settings, files, and desktop will be maintained if you upgrade,
> > (re)install
> > Ubuntu or another distro. This works because /home has a subdirectory for
> > each user's settings and files which contain all the data & settings of
> > that user. Telling Ubuntu to use an existing home partition can be done by
> > selecting "Manual Partitioning" during the installation of Ubuntu and
> > specifying that you want your home partitions mount point to be /home,
> > *ensure you mark your /home partition not be formatted in the process*.
> > You should also make sure the usernames you enter for accounts during
> > installation match usernames that existed in a previous installation.
> 
> From my understanding, having /home will help you to upgrade smoothly
> without losing anything :)
> If you don't have /home, I'm not 100% sure what could happen.
> 
> That was my point :)

Yes.  It's wrong.  Even if you reinstall Ubuntu, it will recognize and 
preserve and existing home directory.  The one case where that is correct is 
if you install a different distro.  There are reasons why you might want /home 
on a different partition, but they are mostly, IMO, obsolete.  There is zero 
need to put /home in a separate partition for upgradeability.

Scott K

> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Scott Kitterman 
wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 05:50:12 PM Ali Linx wrote:
> > ...
> > 
> > > 2- If you don't have /home partition, you will lose your settings, etc
> > > (someone please correct me if I'm mistaken).
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > You are mistaken.
> > 
> > I have systems that have been upgraded to 12.04 from as far back as 7.10.
> > There's really almost never a reason to reinstall.
> > 
> > Also, unless someone mails you the installation media, you'll have to
> > download
> > that, so reinstalling will not save bandwidth.  It's also not faster if
> > you
> > include the time needed to download the installation media.
> > 
> > Scott K
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Re: Upgrading 12.04 to 13.04

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

> 2- If you don't have /home partition, you will lose your settings, etc
> (someone please correct me if I'm mistaken).


> You are mistaken.
> I have systems that have been upgraded to 12.04 from as far back as 7.10.
> There's really almost never a reason to reinstall.


Hmm, then are you saying this is wrong?
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving

Setting up /home on a separate partition is beneficial because your
> settings, files, and desktop will be maintained if you upgrade, (re)install
> Ubuntu or another distro. This works because /home has a subdirectory for
> each user's settings and files which contain all the data & settings of
> that user. Telling Ubuntu to use an existing home partition can be done by
> selecting "Manual Partitioning" during the installation of Ubuntu and
> specifying that you want your home partitions mount point to be /home, *ensure
> you mark your /home partition not be formatted in the process*. You
> should also make sure the usernames you enter for accounts during
> installation match usernames that existed in a previous installation.



>From my understanding, having /home will help you to upgrade smoothly
without losing anything :)
If you don't have /home, I'm not 100% sure what could happen.

That was my point :)


On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:

> On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 05:50:12 PM Ali Linx wrote:
> ...
> > 2- If you don't have /home partition, you will lose your settings, etc
> > (someone please correct me if I'm mistaken).
> ...
>
> You are mistaken.
>
> I have systems that have been upgraded to 12.04 from as far back as 7.10.
> There's really almost never a reason to reinstall.
>
> Also, unless someone mails you the installation media, you'll have to
> download
> that, so reinstalling will not save bandwidth.  It's also not faster if you
> include the time needed to download the installation media.
>
> Scott K
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Re: Upgrading 12.04 to 13.04

[Scott Kitterman]

On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 05:50:12 PM Ali Linx wrote:
...
> 2- If you don't have /home partition, you will lose your settings, etc
> (someone please correct me if I'm mistaken).
...

You are mistaken.

I have systems that have been upgraded to 12.04 from as far back as 7.10.  
There's really almost never a reason to reinstall.

Also, unless someone mails you the installation media, you'll have to download 
that, so reinstalling will not save bandwidth.  It's also not faster if you 
include the time needed to download the installation media.

Scott K

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Re: Upgrading 12.04 to 13.04

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

Hello Thomas,

Thanks for your email :)

First thing first, you need to understand the difference between
"upgrading" and "installing" new version. A simple google search will
reveal lots of links which everyone actually need to have a look at. At
least, to have some basic understanding :)

I can discuss some major differences here:
1- Upgrading is usually longer (takes longer time) than installing.
2- If you don't have /home partition, you will lose your settings, etc
(someone please correct me if I'm mistaken).
3- If you have limited internet usage per month, upgrading is not a good
idea.
4- There is no such a direct way to upgrade from 12.04 for example to 13.04


By the way, 13.04 is not yet final, it is still under development.

If you would like to have a look and play with 13.04, you can download and
install it on a different partition, or virtual machine or on an USB Drive.

Thank you!


On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:14 AM, Thomas Corwin  wrote:

> Hello All!
>
> I was wondering if there was a way to upgrade to 13.04 via the terminal.
> If there is, how can I do it?
>
> Thanks,
> Thomas Corwin
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Re: Upgrading 12.04 to 13.04

[Scott Kitterman]

There's no supported way to upgrade directly from 12.04 to 13.04.  You have to 
upgrade to 12.10 first.  The way to do it from a terminal is:

sudo do-release-upgrade

upgrade to 12.10

sudo do-release-upgrade -d

that will upgrade you to raring (what's to be 13.04).

Scott k

On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:14:02 PM Thomas Corwin wrote:
> Hello All!
> 
> I was wondering if there was a way to upgrade to 13.04 via the terminal. If
> there is, how can I do it?
> 
> Thanks,
> Thomas Corwin

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