Re: ubuntustudio icons
On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote If I would draw on paper and import it by Inkscape, would it become a usable SVG file? I'm asking, because I need to visit a friend to scan a picture. I'm able to draw, but I don't have the needed computer equipment to do it and I anyway like drawings on paper. No, simply importing the image into inkscape wouldn't make it and SVG. But you can always import, create a new layer over it, and trace your drawing in inkscape using the pen or pencil tools. Only then does it become a vector image. On 7/24/12, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: On Mon, July 23, 2012 12:55 pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 09:19 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: - The icon we use for audio production comes from Aeolus and should be replaced. I wonder if instead of the notes (US Precise here has got notes) a tape recorder could do the icon job? As an example, I guess it's not a free pic: http://png-1.findicons.com/files//icons/607/evil_dead_movie/128/taperecorder.png and than Ctrl + - as often as possible, it seems to be borderline. If I would draw on paper and import it by Inkscape, would it become a usable SVG file? I'm asking, because I need to visit a friend to scan a picture. I'm able to draw, but I don't have the needed computer equipment to do it and I anyway like drawings on paper. I'll test what happens to the taperecorder.png from the Internet after importing ;), but perhaps somebody already has experiences and knows what to take care about. I dunno if I'll draw an icon or not, I just was thinking about a tape recorder as a nice icon. Just remember in the menu it is only 24x24. Other than that I like the idea. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- HAVE A GOOD DAY. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio icons
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:09:06 +0200, Shubham Mishra mishrashubham2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote If I would draw on paper and import it by Inkscape, would it become a usable SVG file? I'm asking, because I need to visit a friend to scan a picture. I'm able to draw, but I don't have the needed computer equipment to do it and I anyway like drawings on paper. No, simply importing the image into inkscape wouldn't make it and SVG. But you can always import, create a new layer over it, and trace your drawing in inkscape using the pen or pencil tools. Only then does it become a vector image. I feared that. And a SVG is really needed for the icons? - Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio icons
on Tueday, July 24, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote I feared that. Fear? Vectorizing a line drawing is not at all difficult actually. Vectors curves are very easy to manipulate so you can do all of it using a mouse; no need of a graphics tablet. And a SVG is really needed for the icons? Yes. The reason icons are made in vectors, is because of its scalability. You can export and SVG as a bitmap in any resolution that you want. On 7/24/12, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:09:06 +0200, Shubham Mishra mishrashubham2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote If I would draw on paper and import it by Inkscape, would it become a usable SVG file? I'm asking, because I need to visit a friend to scan a picture. I'm able to draw, but I don't have the needed computer equipment to do it and I anyway like drawings on paper. No, simply importing the image into inkscape wouldn't make it and SVG. But you can always import, create a new layer over it, and trace your drawing in inkscape using the pen or pencil tools. Only then does it become a vector image. I feared that. And a SVG is really needed for the icons? - Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- HAVE A GOOD DAY. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio icons
On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 10:04 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: In general, each icon should have an svg (128x128 is probably an easy size to work at for creation... or does svg have a size?) a 24x24 png and a 48x48 png. Hi all, before I try to make a good svg, here's a sketch/scribble to test if all sizes will be good. I made some typos, icon_sketch_001-128 is 128x128 icon_sketch_001-48 is 48x48 icon_sketch_001-28 is 24x24 icon_sketch_001-28color is 28x28 :(, however I guess regarding to the colors even 24x24 (here 28x28) should be ok. But the colors seem to be important, since the original colors for 24x24 are bad. What color will the background for the menu become in the future? I guess working with Inkscape will allow to add colors on different layers, so that the colors could be changed easily? Regards, Ralf attachment: icon_sketch_001-128.jpgattachment: icon_sketch_001-48.jpgattachment: icon_sketch_001-28.jpgattachment: icon_sketch_001-28color.jpg-- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio icons
On Tuesday, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote I guess working with Inkscape will allow to add colors on different layers, so that the colors could be changed easily? Yes adding colours is no big issue, although adding them on a separate layer is a bad idea.The fill colour of a shape is a property of the shape itself. Are you online right now on IRC? On 7/24/12, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 10:04 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: In general, each icon should have an svg (128x128 is probably an easy size to work at for creation... or does svg have a size?) a 24x24 png and a 48x48 png. Hi all, before I try to make a good svg, here's a sketch/scribble to test if all sizes will be good. I made some typos, icon_sketch_001-128 is 128x128 icon_sketch_001-48 is 48x48 icon_sketch_001-28 is 24x24 icon_sketch_001-28color is 28x28 :(, however I guess regarding to the colors even 24x24 (here 28x28) should be ok. But the colors seem to be important, since the original colors for 24x24 are bad. What color will the background for the menu become in the future? I guess working with Inkscape will allow to add colors on different layers, so that the colors could be changed easily? Regards, Ralf -- HAVE A GOOD DAY. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio icons
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 20:26 +0530, Shubham Mishra wrote: on Tueday, July 24, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote I feared that. Fear? Vectorizing a line drawing is not at all difficult actually. Vectors curves are very easy to manipulate so you can do all of it using a mouse; no need of a graphics tablet. Ok, I'll see what will happen. Btw. my latest mail is in the archive, but didn't came through to me, so FWIW https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2012-July/004239.html Regards, Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio icons
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 21:07 +0530, Shubham Mishra wrote: On Tuesday, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote I guess working with Inkscape will allow to add colors on different layers, so that the colors could be changed easily? Yes adding colours is no big issue, although adding them on a separate layer is a bad idea.The fill colour of a shape is a property of the shape itself. Are you online right now on IRC? I never joined IRC and need to go out now. Perhaps later I'm online again. - Ralf PS: For a layout I don't need a scanner, even for a good drawing the iPad camera should be ok :). If using Inkscaps really should be easy, I might can make some icons. But I still have to test it for one Icon first and then we'll see if I and/or you will like it. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio icons
On Tue, July 24, 2012 7:56 am, Shubham Mishra wrote: And a SVG is really needed for the icons? Yes. The reason icons are made in vectors, is because of its scalability. You can export and SVG as a bitmap in any resolution that you want. Can I do this from the command line? How? -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio icons
On Tue, July 24, 2012 8:24 am, Ralf Mardorf wrote: colors even 24x24 (here 28x28) should be ok. But the colors seem to be important, since the original colors for 24x24 are bad. What color will the background for the menu become in the future? One way to get around the BG colour issue is to use a semi-sized BG. The reason for clear BG is that the DE uses it to indicate selection. I have put a circle under some of mine (sunburst seems to look best). Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio icons
On Tue, July 24, 2012 8:38 am, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Ok, I'll see what will happen. Btw. my latest mail is in the archive, but didn't came through to me, so FWIW https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2012-July/004239.html Those look nice, I think removing the BG would make the smaller ones work better. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio icons
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 09:26 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: On Tue, July 24, 2012 8:24 am, Ralf Mardorf wrote: colors even 24x24 (here 28x28) should be ok. But the colors seem to be important, since the original colors for 24x24 are bad. What color will the background for the menu become in the future? One way to get around the BG colour issue is to use a semi-sized BG. The reason for clear BG is that the DE uses it to indicate selection. I have put a circle under some of mine (sunburst seems to look best). Yes, thank you. Before I finally need to leave home, a last question: Is it easier to do a proper drawing, scan and import it to Inksacpe and then to use it as a template or can Inksacpe be used without such a help easily? I once saw live art made with Inkscape or something similar, I don't think it would be that easy for me to morph some lines and fields. Ok, I should test myself ;). Cu, Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio icons
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote Is it easier to do a proper drawing, scan and import it to Inksacpe and then to use it as a template or can Inksacpe be used without such a help easily? I once saw live art made with Inkscape or something similar, I don't think it would be that easy for me to morph some lines and fields. Ok, I should test myself ;). It all depends on what you are comfortable with. Many people begin their work directly in Inkscape, while others scan hand drawn pictures and then go about vectorizing them. Try Inkscape, you'll be surprised to see how easy it is. On 7/24/12, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 09:26 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: On Tue, July 24, 2012 8:24 am, Ralf Mardorf wrote: colors even 24x24 (here 28x28) should be ok. But the colors seem to be important, since the original colors for 24x24 are bad. What color will the background for the menu become in the future? One way to get around the BG colour issue is to use a semi-sized BG. The reason for clear BG is that the DE uses it to indicate selection. I have put a circle under some of mine (sunburst seems to look best). Yes, thank you. Before I finally need to leave home, a last question: Is it easier to do a proper drawing, scan and import it to Inksacpe and then to use it as a template or can Inksacpe be used without such a help easily? I once saw live art made with Inkscape or something similar, I don't think it would be that easy for me to morph some lines and fields. Ok, I should test myself ;). Cu, Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- HAVE A GOOD DAY. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio icons
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Len Ovens wrote Can I do this from the command line? How? I haven't used Inkscape's command line interface. You can find the parameters however over here. http://inkscape.org/doc/inkscape-man.html Exporting though can be easily done using the GUI with FileExport Bitmap On 7/24/12, Shubham Mishra mishrashubham2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote Is it easier to do a proper drawing, scan and import it to Inksacpe and then to use it as a template or can Inksacpe be used without such a help easily? I once saw live art made with Inkscape or something similar, I don't think it would be that easy for me to morph some lines and fields. Ok, I should test myself ;). It all depends on what you are comfortable with. Many people begin their work directly in Inkscape, while others scan hand drawn pictures and then go about vectorizing them. Try Inkscape, you'll be surprised to see how easy it is. On 7/24/12, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 09:26 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: On Tue, July 24, 2012 8:24 am, Ralf Mardorf wrote: colors even 24x24 (here 28x28) should be ok. But the colors seem to be important, since the original colors for 24x24 are bad. What color will the background for the menu become in the future? One way to get around the BG colour issue is to use a semi-sized BG. The reason for clear BG is that the DE uses it to indicate selection. I have put a circle under some of mine (sunburst seems to look best). Yes, thank you. Before I finally need to leave home, a last question: Is it easier to do a proper drawing, scan and import it to Inksacpe and then to use it as a template or can Inksacpe be used without such a help easily? I once saw live art made with Inkscape or something similar, I don't think it would be that easy for me to morph some lines and fields. Ok, I should test myself ;). Cu, Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- HAVE A GOOD DAY. -- HAVE A GOOD DAY. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio icons
Len Ovens wrote: On Tue, July 24, 2012 7:56 am, Shubham Mishra wrote: And a SVG is really needed for the icons? Yes. The reason icons are made in vectors, is because of its scalability. You can export and SVG as a bitmap in any resolution that you want. Can I do this from the command line? How? `convert foo.svg -background none -resize 64x64 foo.png` -- Emmet HIKORY -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio icons
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 22:56 +0530, Shubham Mishra wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Len Ovens wrote Can I do this from the command line? How? [snip] Exporting though can be easily done using the GUI with FileExport Bitmap I guess Len wish to be able to scale by scripts etc.. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio icons
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 22:49 +0530, Shubham Mishra wrote: It all depends on what you are comfortable with. Many people begin their work directly in Inkscape, while others scan hand drawn pictures and then go about vectorizing them. Try Inkscape, you'll be surprised to see how easy it is. IIRC I once tried Inkscape, but I fall back do GIMP ;) and I even used GIMP not for serious work, because I still have no tablet and my mouse has got a strange resolution. I can easily cross the screen with the mouse courser, good for audio, emails etc., but bad for drawing. However, buying a tablet is less expensive than to buy artist colors, so I'll do soon or later. A while ago I already asked for graphic tablets, so I know which ones are ok. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio icons
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 02:38 +0900, Emmet Hikory wrote: convert foo.svg A dummy question. convert is from the package imagemagick? At least I googled this. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio icons
Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 02:38 +0900, Emmet Hikory wrote: convert foo.svg A dummy question. convert is from the package imagemagick? At least I googled this. Apologies, I hadn't realised there were multiple `convert`s floating around: the Imagemagick one is indeed the one I intended to suggest. -- Emmet HIKORY -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio icons
On Tue, July 24, 2012 11:29 am, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 22:56 +0530, Shubham Mishra wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Len Ovens wrote Can I do this from the command line? How? [snip] Exporting though can be easily done using the GUI with FileExport Bitmap I guess Len wish to be able to scale by scripts etc.. There are actually some things that do not import svg images directly. TK is one of them. I am finding there are also xdg tools ment for installing icon themes etc that don't deal with svgs either. Anyway, I use tk/tcl quite a bit for quick gui utilities. I have made scripts that read the *.desktop file and use the icon as a button to start that app. It doesn't work if the icon is an SVG.. So I now know how to save an svg to a temp png file so I can import it for display. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
moe midi timing testing
Started this on irc, copied it here: ailo, The only thing I am seeing with midi timing is a general spread of notes that are played simultaneously. A lengthening of notes. I was using drum track with noteon/off pretty much the same time. (zero tics as far as qtractor could tell) all of the notes were at least .003 - .006 (3 to 6 tics) after going out the midi port and back. With rtc root.root it was mostly .008 or more. I think default tic is 1/96 quarter note. Three beats/notes that started out on top of each other, ended up beside each other... close to .020 difference with no rtc. about .010 with. This is with clocks at stock 64. I think the reason my demo sounded so bad is that it is quite busy. I think you may find testing with 10 or 20 simultaneous notes will give a clearer picture. Single note stuff was very good. Because my usb midi IF has male plugs, I have been using a through port which should only add delay and not jitter, however, I found an old switch unit I put together for changing routing. It is all hard wire, I will try using that to see if there is any difference. I am going to make up a qtractor test track with all 1/8th notes 10 notes for each 1/8th note (note a pretty sound :P ) each 10 tics (.010) wide and try again. It isn't worth trying tweaks without being able to reproduce the badness I have heard with my ears time after time. 10 notes at a time may be too small, it is not hard to think 3 drum hits (6events) and one keyboard part with two bass notes and a four note chord (Am7 for example though I normally play a C over A bass) Which is 12 events all together. Add strings an arpeggio on top of that could sound drunk. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
