Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Gaining Wiki Edit Permissions
While https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Professional_audio still is
broken as an Ubuntu Studio Wiki, it at least provides room for
discussion, see
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Talk:Professional_audio , such
discussions are usually continued at an Arch mailing list. Actually, we
were able to bring Arch pro-audio to life again. The Wiki is still in a
bad condition, but a lot of other issues are already solved. Arch
pro-audio is currently in way better condition, than Ubuntu Studio
everwas, actually with less people participating. This is
possible, because Arch provides much better preconditions, than Ubuntu
does provide. Let alone that we don't care about public relations and
wallpapers.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Gaining Wiki Edit Permissions
I'm a member of the Wiki documentation team, IOW I'm allowed to edit
Wikis, but I can't remember that I ever needed to sign the Ubuntu CoC,
nor that I ever was forced to use any GPG signing. Actually I've got two
accounts, but for testing purpose I logged in by just one of my
accounts. One issue still is, that it could take minutes to log
in and the second issue is, that searching the Ubuntu Wiki for specific
Ubuntu Studio sites is a PITA, it's easier to use Google, but it
requires to log in again and again, IOW to wait for minutes and minutes.
I logged in, some random Ubuntu Wiki sites already turned from
"immutable" to "editable" for me, but now I try to log in to edit
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/TroubleShooting a site I
already edited, but after pushing "Yes, log me in" and waiting for
minutes I got
"Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was
unable to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, [no address given] and inform
them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done
that may have caused the error.
More information about this error may be available in the server error
log."
IOW you need to try again and again and again. In the time it requires
to log in, to edit an Ubuntu flavour Wiki, I'm able to edit several
Arch Linux Wiki pages. What do you think I have done within the last
years? Yes, I edited Arch Linux Wikis and ignored Ubuntu Wikis, while a
simple copy and paste would have done the job for an Ubuntu Wiki.
However, after a few minutes of trying to log in again and again, I'm
now allowed to edit it. I wasted minutes to log in and don't have time
anymore to edit the Wiki, however, I edited the Wiki and added a
comment, that actually would belong to a Wiki's discussion, but the
Ubuntu Wiki is missing this feature.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/TroubleShooting?action=diff=12=11
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Gaining Wiki Edit Permissions
On 2018-04-02 14:18, Set Hallstrom wrote: > I don't know what kind of process is best. But it's a question that > should be asked to ubuntu at large; ubuntustudio alone doesn't have much > say in it. i mean... we do have a say, but said process can only be improved if discussed with _everyone_ involved with it. -- Set Hallstrom aka sakrecoer signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Gaining Wiki Edit Permissions
After spinning this in my head a few times: On 2018-04-02 13:27, Set Hallstrom wrote: > I'm not saying it's a prefect process, and i agree that beggars can't be > choosers. But it is my opinion that we need some kind of sign of moral > commitment to the project, or we could as well just make everything public. I'd like to add that there are many good reasons, as you mention, to want to allow users to sign the CoC directly from launchpad, but removing the manual steps would also potentially open for easier automation of that process to spam-bots. I have had a long and unresolved internal struggle about the dilemma of making things easier at the cost of leveling things to lowest denominator. On one hand, i understand that most users don't want to struggle with computing per-se and rather get on with using the computer for their production purpose without having to know how the tools work behind the scene. On the other hand in an ever more digitalized society, this makes me sad: I'd wish more users would be inclined to take control over their tools. I don't know what kind of process is best. But it's a question that should be asked to ubuntu at large; ubuntustudio alone doesn't have much say in it. -- Set Hallstrom aka sakrecoer signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Gaining Wiki Edit Permissions
On 2018-03-31 06:34, Mike Lococo wrote: > Set, [.snip] > Signed. Thanks! I'll poke around as soon as i get the time. I think we have a ubuntustudio group that has access to the wiki, but i need to remember which one. ( i think it shoulld be: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-documentation feel free to request addition to it. ) > But even as someone who knows their way around GPG, that was > harrowing. No musician or artist experimenting with linux on a > live-usb for the first time is going to successfully navigate that > process to correct a wiki typo. I don't know if that means it's only > worth recruiting among existing ubuntu contributors, or we need to > find ways to get people involved outside launchpad... but anyone with > a half an hour to get their feet wet is going bounce off that process > and never return. > > If any other new folks find the code-of-conduct signature process as > mystifying as I did, this was the simplest guide I found (though the > key-import screenshot is wrongly about ssh-key import, which is > different than the gpg-key import you need to do to sign the CoC): > https://www.wikihow.com/Sign-the-Ubuntu-Code-of-Conduct > > Cheers, Lococo I understand GPG is cumbersome and a bit hard to wrap one's head around. This said, so is development. Musicians, Artists, designers etc, are welcome to help developing, but there is no short cut to it: you need to learn the tools to do it and they are rarely very artistically intuitive. However these type of contributors are often more comfortable with PR, documentation and promotion. That means signing the code is the most abstract thing they'll have to do. I'm not saying it's a prefect process, and i agree that beggars can't be choosers. But it is my opinion that we need some kind of sign of moral commitment to the project, or we could as well just make everything public. I hope i make sense. Perhaps the entire embarking process is a good place to start with the documentation update? Thank you for taking the time, Mikelococo! -- Set Hallstrom aka sakrecoer signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Gaining Wiki Edit Permissions
Set, On Thu, Mar 29, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Set Hallstrom wrote: > > My first step was to read the the wiki. There's a lot of great info > > > > The wiki needs and diserves a lot of work. This would be a great place > to begin contributing. I'll see what i can do to accelerate you getting > edit permission. I would just need you to sign the Code of conduct of > ubuntu before i go ahead with that. > https://askubuntu.com/questions/100275/how-do-i-sign-the-ubuntu-code-of-conduct Signed. But even as someone who knows their way around GPG, that was harrowing. No musician or artist experimenting with linux on a live-usb for the first time is going to successfully navigate that process to correct a wiki typo. I don't know if that means it's only worth recruiting among existing ubuntu contributors, or we need to find ways to get people involved outside launchpad... but anyone with a half an hour to get their feet wet is going bounce off that process and never return. If any other new folks find the code-of-conduct signature process as mystifying as I did, this was the simplest guide I found (though the key-import screenshot is wrongly about ssh-key import, which is different than the gpg-key import you need to do to sign the CoC): https://www.wikihow.com/Sign-the-Ubuntu-Code-of-Conduct Cheers, Lococo -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Gaining Wiki Edit Permissions
Hi Mike! Welcome! :) On 2018-03-27 05:08, Mike Lococo wrote: > Hi, > > I've seen the calls for assistance in maintaining ubuntu-studio. I'm > a long time user who has never contributed, I think it's the best > live distribution available for audio work, and I want to help ensure > that it continues to be available. I've maintained small open-source > projects, been an active community member in big ones, done some deb > packaging work, and know my way around linux internals very well. > I've never contributed to Debian or Ubuntu beyond bug-reports, > though. At this time, I'm not offering to take over maintainership or > join the proposed council, but I'd like to level up my ability to > contribute by finding work that needs doing and doing it. My sincerest apologies for the late response. Your email gave me a huge smile just like the ones from the other people who have stepped forward lately. :) THANK YOU! <3 Your contributions, however small or big are most welcome! > > My first step was to read the the wiki. There's a lot of great info > there. But I found some mistakes (the latest version is listed as > 15.10) and I think I can improve the > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/JoinTheTeam page by adding a "My > First Contribution" section with a little hand-holding on how to do a > simple things like make your first wiki edit or triage your first bug > (once I figure out how to do that). > > I found that I don't have wiki edit access though. I read > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpContents and now my application to join > ubuntu-wiki-editors is pending at > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wiki-editors. My Launchpad and Ubuntu > One account has been idle for years, though, and I'm a little worried > my application will languish or be rejected because someone thinks > I'm a bot or a hacked account. I'M NOT! I'm resurrecting old accounts > to try to help here. If anyone sees anything wrong with my > application, let me know, and if there's a danger of it being > rejected and there's anything a contributor with more history can do > to vouch for me I'd appreciate it. The wiki needs and diserves a lot of work. This would be a great place to begin contributing. I'll see what i can do to accelerate you getting edit permission. I would just need you to sign the Code of conduct of ubuntu before i go ahead with that. https://askubuntu.com/questions/100275/how-do-i-sign-the-ubuntu-code-of-conduct > > Here's my launchpad account: https://launchpad.net/~mikelococo and > you can see it pending approval at > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wiki-editors. > > My next goal will be to try to get permission to triage bugs. I > assume I'll figure out how to do that while trolling around the wiki, > but if anyone wants to jump start the permission process I'm all > ears. > > Cheers, Lococo > For the part with the bugs, i'm not very good at how it works... I used to know more, but i've kindof lost it. Hoping someone can fill in for me here We used to have a contributor with a lot of experience about it, but who prefers communicating over IRC. If you are familiar with that communication protocol, try your luck and see if Krytarik is around in #ubuntustudio-devel. Oven Werks is very good at it too. I don't know how available they are atm though, and we have to respect it if they are busy: life is what it is. And everyone involved is doing it out of pure generosity. Either way, once again, THANK you for stepping forward <3 -- Set Hallstrom aka sakrecoer signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
[ubuntu-studio-devel] Gaining Wiki Edit Permissions
Hi, I've seen the calls for assistance in maintaining ubuntu-studio. I'm a long time user who has never contributed, I think it's the best live distribution available for audio work, and I want to help ensure that it continues to be available. I've maintained small open-source projects, been an active community member in big ones, done some deb packaging work, and know my way around linux internals very well. I've never contributed to Debian or Ubuntu beyond bug-reports, though. At this time, I'm not offering to take over maintainership or join the proposed council, but I'd like to level up my ability to contribute by finding work that needs doing and doing it. My first step was to read the the wiki. There's a lot of great info there. But I found some mistakes (the latest version is listed as 15.10) and I think I can improve the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/JoinTheTeam page by adding a "My First Contribution" section with a little hand-holding on how to do a simple things like make your first wiki edit or triage your first bug (once I figure out how to do that). I found that I don't have wiki edit access though. I read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpContents and now my application to join ubuntu-wiki-editors is pending at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wiki-editors. My Launchpad and Ubuntu One account has been idle for years, though, and I'm a little worried my application will languish or be rejected because someone thinks I'm a bot or a hacked account. I'M NOT! I'm resurrecting old accounts to try to help here. If anyone sees anything wrong with my application, let me know, and if there's a danger of it being rejected and there's anything a contributor with more history can do to vouch for me I'd appreciate it. Here's my launchpad account: https://launchpad.net/~mikelococo and you can see it pending approval at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wiki-editors. My next goal will be to try to get permission to triage bugs. I assume I'll figure out how to do that while trolling around the wiki, but if anyone wants to jump start the permission process I'm all ears. Cheers, Lococo -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
