Re: New notification system.
Hi all, I have to say I agree with Eric. the more we deviate from regular Ubuntu - especially in areas that shouldn't really affect studio - the more work we make for ourselves, in both adapting studio to fit that and trying to support users who are expecting the same as Ubuntu. IMHO, we need to keep as close to ubuntu as possible, while making only changes that actually affect performance for studio users. This minimises work for us and makes a somewhat familiar environment for users. Just my 2c. Jussi On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 5:04 AM, Eric Hedekar wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Cory K. wrote: >> >> Eric Hedekar wrote: >> > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Cory K. wrote: >> > >> >> Ok. I'm not convinced this is right for Studio this release. My vote is >> >> to remove it and revisit it for Karmic. >> >> >> > >> > I'm not on the studio team, but I see no major issues with it. Removing >> > it >> > could cause many newbies great confusion and possibly troubleshooting >> > woes. >> > My vote is to keep it - if I get a vote. >> >> "Confusion" how? > > The confusion I thought might arise would be from new users who rely heavily > on forum posts, howtos, and regular ubuntu documentation etc... that all say > their computer should behave in way_X and actually behaves in way_Y. From > reading many posts in the forums, I've seen quite a few newbies who still > can't understand why Intrepid's RT kernel doesn't work well for audio - > despite the many many many warnings on all the documentation. (I'm just > using this particular bug as a documentation/new user issue, I'm in no way > comparing kernels to notifications) > > I will fully admit that I haven't researched how "ready" the notification > system is yet, but I've had only minor glitches through most of my Jaunty > testing (seems to be working right now). > > -Eric Hedekar > > > -- > ___ > http://greyrockstudio.blogspot.com > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: New notification system.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Cory K. wrote: > Eric Hedekar wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Cory K. wrote: > > > >> Ok. I'm not convinced this is right for Studio this release. My vote is > >> to remove it and revisit it for Karmic. > >> > > > > I'm not on the studio team, but I see no major issues with it. Removing > it > > could cause many newbies great confusion and possibly troubleshooting > woes. > > My vote is to keep it - if I get a vote. > > "Confusion" how? > The confusion I thought might arise would be from new users who rely heavily on forum posts, howtos, and regular ubuntu documentation etc... that all say their computer should behave in way_X and actually behaves in way_Y. From reading many posts in the forums, I've seen quite a few newbies who still can't understand why Intrepid's RT kernel doesn't work well for audio - despite the many many many warnings on all the documentation. (I'm just using this particular bug as a documentation/new user issue, I'm in no way comparing kernels to notifications) I will fully admit that I haven't researched how "ready" the notification system is yet, but I've had only minor glitches through most of my Jaunty testing (seems to be working right now). -Eric Hedekar -- ___ http://greyrockstudio.blogspot.com -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: New notification system.
Eric Hedekar wrote: > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Cory K. wrote: > >> Ok. I'm not convinced this is right for Studio this release. My vote is >> to remove it and revisit it for Karmic. >> > > I'm not on the studio team, but I see no major issues with it. Removing it > could cause many newbies great confusion and possibly troubleshooting woes. > My vote is to keep it - if I get a vote. "Confusion" how? *Technically* there's no reason it won't work. We'll just use the old system. I don't feel it's mature enough for now. Also, this (the new system) is really more for desktop users atm. Studio isn't a desktop distro. -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: New notification system.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Cory K. wrote: > Ok. I'm not convinced this is right for Studio this release. My vote is > to remove it and revisit it for Karmic. > > > -Cory K. > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > I'm not on the studio team, but I see no major issues with it. Removing it could cause many newbies great confusion and possibly troubleshooting woes. My vote is to keep it - if I get a vote. -Eric (aka. stochastic) -- ___ http://greyrockstudio.blogspot.com -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: New notification system.
Ok. I'm not convinced this is right for Studio this release. My vote is to remove it and revisit it for Karmic. -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: New notification system.
Khashayar Naderehvandi wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:38 AM, Cory K. wrote: > >> Canonical's new notification system has been put into Ubuntu and Studio >> has accepted it for testing. >> >> After spending the day with it I'm not personally sold. I found numerous >> places where apps didn't work with it and the amount of new >> notifications I got looks to have doubled. Along with inconsistent >> windows popping up. >> >> I was told that it's still new and there are still updates to add but we >> still might wanna wait 'till +1 to take on this change. >> >> As it really doesn't remove functionality from Studio and is just bling, >> I'm unsure if we should take this new system for now. Users can always >> manually install it if they wish. >> >> *Please* test and give feedback. >> > The most annoying thing with the new notification system, in my > opinion at least, is how it handles pop ups that previously used to > have any kind of interaction buttons. For example pidgin's libnotify > plugin that has a "show" button, clicking on which takes you to the > pidgin window (or some such). Of course, most of the time one simply > ignores a lot of these notifications, but with the new system you > can't ignore it. They pop up in the middle of the screen in their own > window. That's pretty horrible. In fact, it's so horrible, that I > can't imagine it being kept like that for long. > > What I'm trying to say is that I'm hoping the most annoying things > with the new notification system will be fixed before Jaunty is out. > We could just as well go with it. Also, there has been a lot of > critique of Mark's idea to completely eliminate the interaction > possibility. Hopefully that critique will be taken into account when > developing the notification system. > > Cory, can you point out some of the stuff that didn't work - or didn't > work properly - for you? For me, like I said, it's mainly the window > pop ups. > What you mention in your 1st paragraph has been my biggest issue. It happens the same way for the trap app "mail-notification". When you get alot of mail, this behavior is damn annoying. :) I'll keep in contact with the guys working on this. Alot of work is still ongoing. If we're not happy with it in a month or so we can drop it. -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: New notification system.
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:38 AM, Cory K. wrote: > Canonical's new notification system has been put into Ubuntu and Studio > has accepted it for testing. > > After spending the day with it I'm not personally sold. I found numerous > places where apps didn't work with it and the amount of new > notifications I got looks to have doubled. Along with inconsistent > windows popping up. > > I was told that it's still new and there are still updates to add but we > still might wanna wait 'till +1 to take on this change. > > As it really doesn't remove functionality from Studio and is just bling, > I'm unsure if we should take this new system for now. Users can always > manually install it if they wish. > > *Please* test and give feedback. > The most annoying thing with the new notification system, in my opinion at least, is how it handles pop ups that previously used to have any kind of interaction buttons. For example pidgin's libnotify plugin that has a "show" button, clicking on which takes you to the pidgin window (or some such). Of course, most of the time one simply ignores a lot of these notifications, but with the new system you can't ignore it. They pop up in the middle of the screen in their own window. That's pretty horrible. In fact, it's so horrible, that I can't imagine it being kept like that for long. What I'm trying to say is that I'm hoping the most annoying things with the new notification system will be fixed before Jaunty is out. We could just as well go with it. Also, there has been a lot of critique of Mark's idea to completely eliminate the interaction possibility. Hopefully that critique will be taken into account when developing the notification system. Cory, can you point out some of the stuff that didn't work - or didn't work properly - for you? For me, like I said, it's mainly the window pop ups. Regards, K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: New notification system.
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Cory K. wrote: > Canonical's new notification system has been put into Ubuntu and Studio > has accepted it for testing. > > After spending the day with it I'm not personally sold. I found numerous > places where apps didn't work with it and the amount of new > notifications I got looks to have doubled. Along with inconsistent > windows popping up. > > I was told that it's still new and there are still updates to add but we > still might wanna wait 'till +1 to take on this change. > > As it really doesn't remove functionality from Studio and is just bling, > I'm unsure if we should take this new system for now. Users can always > manually install it if they wish. > > *Please* test and give feedback. > > -- > -Cory K. > > .-.\m/ > /v\/ > // \ > /( ) > ^^-^^ > > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > I'm attending the Dublin Bug Jam tomorrow. I will take a good amount of time while there to test the new notification system and will report what I find and what I think. I encourage more of our developers to do this also :) Luis -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
