Re: Forging a new path.
I'm going to sound fairly ruthless here, but i got into UBstudio at Gutsy, and apart from the graphics adventure we all seem to have at one point or another, the install was ok, and lean. I'd definitely side with Susan here and dump pulseaudio. That's an extra challenge in a dedicated audio/video distro that we don't need. One only has to trawl through the mailing list to see how many times this came up, and for what? So users could have skype/rthymbox/etc? It seems that Ubstudio has tried to be all things to all users, and as i understand it, we have Ubuntu generic for that. Perhaps the reverse should be true. Build a really lean, dedicated audio/video distro, and let the user draw from that specialist repo, over the top of a generic ubuntu base. It's up to them if they face challenges with pulseaudio/jack/etc..., as a result, and they can sort it out with the main ubuntu team. I don't know what the regulations are for building with Ubuntu, nor how far you can step forward into a state of the art distro, in terms of developed apps, but i get the impression that it's an uphill battle to include recent versions of apps, because of the 'greater good' of Ubuntu in general. (and no criticism intended here.) And perhaps the question you ask Cory is the valid of all. What do we actually want in a dedicated audio/video distro? Scott made a good point, imho, about jack. In the current linux audio world, jack lies at the heart. It's ability to bring together multi app setups so effectively puts it above anything else we could expect to use. As an orchestral writer it has the elements that are missing from other OS's, who frankly should have built their sound systems in the 'jack' way in the first place. (multiple unlimited audio/midi ports, etc..) It's what we have, and it does it's job very well indeed. (imho) I will admit i got kinda irritated the day it was announced that pulse would be included in ubuntu by default. It felt like the concept of a professionally useable distro was playing second fiddle to a domestic user requirement, something they already had in ubuntu main anyway. I still don't see the reasoning behind this, and i think the inclusion of pulse has only contributed problems, not solved any. If devs are ok with coding with Jack/Alsa, and nearly all of our useable apps are Jackable now, with an option to route OSS and ALSA apps through Jack with efficient plugins, and the mighty .asoundrc option, then there's little need for anything else. We have to draw the line somewhere, and although there will always be those who don't like it, they do have other options, with a bit of elbow grease on their part. Can't please everyone, and i think UBS has tried to do that, to it's detriment. (And no offence to the UBS team. I think they've done a great job, under a lot of pressure.) Can i respectfully suggest the UBS project gets back to basics, which is something it did really well? Great kernel for realtime use. Minimal set of requirements to run the OS itself. Up to date audio and video apps. No games, no pulse, no extra players, utilities, skype, or anything else that isn't absolutely essential to a dedicated audio/video distro for making music and images. Give the user the option to include what they want from main repos, but refer them to the main repos if something goes wrong with their extras. In these halycon days of multiboot, cross-platform options, UBS doesn't have to include all the rest of the crap. It can stick with excellence, and performance, and let the user reboot if he or she wants something outside of a pure DAW environment. I sound a bit hard here, but from my perspective, it seems to make sense to re-evaluate to a less complicated level. Users have other options. 2 roubles worth, and a big thank you to the UBS team for all their hard work, and determination. UBS was my first distro, and as a composer and musician, it got me going in Linux, and helped me realise just how many options, and great tools, we have. I've become a 'source install junkie' since then, but i don't forget where all this started. Alex. On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Cory K. coryis...@ubuntu.com wrote: Scott wrote: I think those questions would have been quickly answered if UBS was more focused on being a trim distro in the spirit of a dedicated DAW instead of incorporating everything from Ubuntu-desktop We've never done that. Matter of fact, we take out quite a bit. Do a clean install without the metas and you see just how sparse it is compared to Ubuntu. (be sure we'll get crap for not having the new notification setup) Where issues come in is supporting apps that don't use JACK. *Regardless* of if its a audio/video/graphics app. And *part* of that increased focus was due to the fact that to include the audio apps people wanted put us over 700MB /anyway/. So, why not expand a bit? I feel including Video and Graphic apps were great for their promotion. So yes. 1 idea is to
Re: Forging a new path.
Eric, i respect and appreciate the points you've made. I have to disagree for a) the fact that pulseaudio is mandatory, and it's a pain to take it out, or even get it working with jack, and b) keeping ubuntustudio as close to the mainstream as possible. In response: a) Why isn't pulse audio optional, instead of compulsory, and b) there's been a lot of development and updates in audio apps and utilities in the last twelve months. (libsndfile to version 19, just for one example). If UBS is to follow the mainstream as closely as possible, then all our essential audio utilities will, by the nature of going with the flow for the greater good will have an additional layer of proviso keeping in line with the rest, which may 'restrict' the opportunity to include state of the art versions with the intent of as up to date as possible within the bounds of stability . As much as anything else we've mentioned, it surely makes sense to go modern/still stable when undertaking such a task. And i say this respectfully to you. Why does pulseaudio, which is basically a server to run domestic apps, get compulsory precedent over jack in an audio based distro? I'm still curious as to why this happened, and why jack users, which we can fairly bet in an audio distro environment will be the majority of users, are the ones who have to go through the pain and hassle of eradicating an unwanted domestic server from a distro based on audio/musicmaking usage? If the intent of the Ubuntustudio project is to cater to predominately domestic music making (and no offence intended here at all), then so be it. I have no hassle with that, and will use and/or build something else. (Which i've done directly as a result of the pulseaudio compulsory inclusion, and the subsequent debris left behind when i removed it, including the compulsory dependencies.) But if the intent is to cater to those who are enthusiastic about producing music at a more serious level (and i do soundtrack work from time to time, like you) in addition to the enthusiasts, then it seems the addition of a domestic server as compulsory, before a professional server (and i use these terms for highlighting the difference only) is shooting one's self in the digital foot. There's already been comments here lauding the virtues of lean and mean, and i don't see how handicapping that with an additional layer of unwanted sound server actually helps. So while i appreciate your position as a perspective for enthusiasts, (again no offence) maybe the mission statement for UBstudio is more as a leg into music making in Linux, rather than a potentially serious studio based profile. If that's incorrect, and not the intent, then i respectfully suggest my original point holds true. Jack as a 'default' server from install, and pulse as the optional extra. I've read so much stuff in the nearly 2 years i've been using linux about how the linux sound system in general is a mess, it's confusing, and hard to setup, and how tough it is to get a decent rig going. I don't think that's true when we stick to basics, and at least share the same room when singing from the hymn sheet. We can be as pompous as we like about the virtues of using linux and the opportunities it provides, but frankly, if Johnny Air Guitar can't a) hear something when he pretends to swing the axe, and b) has to deal with unwanted challenges just to get started, then he's gonna do the Win or Mac thing, and tell all his mates that Linux sucks, because he can't get it going, and doesn't want to appear dumb in front of his pals. That means our community stays small, and that help that people keep asking for isn't going to materialize immediately because the weight of numbers coming into our community isn't there. Is our community (one which i'm enthusiastic to be a part of) getting bigger or smaller? If smaller, why? I think it's good you're asking for help, providing a framework, and impetus, and i admire you for that. But it's also about the fundamentals of a system. You've written that it might be more work for the already overworked devs if they stray too far from the mainstream. I would argue that the addition of unused components in a distro must surely be a source of extra time wasted that could be better spent elsewhere, including the devs getting time off to enjoy their own lives a bit more. Personally, i'd rather have a good rt kernel, a solid and reliable late version Jack (and optional Jack2) option at install time, the most commonly used up to date audio apps, and a lightweight window manager, then point the users towards the repos for the.other stuff. But i'm not a coder, just an enthusiastic user, and passionate about spreading the linux audio word, so what do i know. One more question. Why does UBstudio have to follow the mainstream version schedule? Why not release UBS for only the LTS versions, and put the time and effort saved into a much longer timespan for the devs, and contributors,
Re: Getting M-Audio Delta 66 working
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:22 AM, dennism...@gmx.net wrote: I've never been able to get audacity to work right on my machine using a Delta 1010lt. Okay, but I tried to get an Output with Audacious, with mp123, with mpg123-alsa... Nothing, everytime the same result: The level-meters show a signal, but nothing is coming out of speakers... Does anyone have an idea? Background: I can send back the soundcard if it does not work. So already now the second question: If the M-Audio 66 is not the only card you would suggest, what else may I buy and works under Linux? I know that you certainly will support me here to get this working, but from my point of view, it does not really help me nor do all of you have the time to look what's wrong on my system... I'd prefer to et it working, yes, but if there is another card for recording that works out of the box on ubuntu studio, well, then the solution is quite near! Regards, Dennis -- Pt! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger01 -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users Dennis, Personally, i wouldn't send back your card. The M-audio hardware has stable and reliable drivers (modules) in linux, and there's plenty of users who have much success with them, me included. (Mine's a Delta 44, but the Ice1712 module is still the same) The fact you're getting a signal in Envy24 is a good sign. So follow the signal. Up to Envy24, you have success, as the meters show. Daniel quite rightly suggested you check your ADCs and DACs. Do so, and put them up to a reasonable level. Next, if you're getting a signal in the digital mixer strip, that's good too, it means the signal is getting that far. In the patchbay/router tab of Envy 24, make sure you have ticked: PCM Out 1, PCM Out 2, etc.. And in the Analog Volume tab, lift the levels to something reasonable that won't be too soft to hear, or conversly, frighten the neighbours. 90 would probably do here to begin with. Try your sound again. If successful, excellent. If not, read on.. So to a test app. Audacity is't a good choice. If you're on UBStudio (and i assume this from the list heading), then i suggest you download through synpatic, a simple synth to test with. When i first started figuring out how to use Linux Audio, i used an app call Hexter. It's a simple DX7 emulator, and possesses single audio out and midi in, and importantly, gives you an immediate response, be it success or temporary failure, because it's a synth, and doesn't require extra sound libraries or soundfonts. So how do you hook your midi keyboard into Hexter? At kernel level, you'll find Alsa, and your ice1712 module is inserted there. But a level above that is the mighty Jack, a powerful 'Hub' that enables you have several apps, or 'clients' working together at the same time. Jack intereacts with Alsa using a 'backend', which is the software sound device of your choice, be it Alsa, oss, Ffado, Freebob, or dummy. So the next step is to install, from Synaptic, Jackd, and Qjackctl. This will give you not only the Jack Hub, or Server, as it's called, but a user interface in the form of Qjackctl (Also known as Jack Control). Once you've done this, open Qjackctl, and go to setup. In the setup window, you'll find some settings on the right, starting from near the top, which is the driver selection. As you've already had success with an Alsa/Envy signal response, choose Alsa. Next, you'll see a drop down box marked Interface. You can leave this as default for now, provided you selected Alsa as the sound weapon of choice. Then go down to Audio. Here you 'll see three dropdown options, Duplex, Capture, and Playback. For now, leave this on duplex. Next, you'll see input device, and output device, These are, by default, set on, erm, default. With the arrow to the right of each box check the device. Mine has Delta 44 as hw:0, and Ice1712 as hw:0.0. If this is the case with you, then leave these as default, for now. Now go to the middle of the setup window, and find Frames/Period (leave the priority selection alone for now.) We'll try a relaxed setting first of 1024. Then sample rate. Check in the Envy24 hardware settings tab, for which sample rate you have ticked. (Mine is 44100, but many users run with 48000, so if you hav either of these, it's ok) Back to the Qjackctl setup window. Set the samplerate to that which matches your Envy hardware setting. (In my case it's 44100) Next, Periods/Buffer. Set this to a safe 3. Next settings are Port Maximum, and Timeout. You can leave the Port Max as is, but change the Timeout to 2000, as this will give your system some 'slack' to work with. Then go to Start Delay, and make this 2secs, if it isn't already. Lastly, go to the bottom left corner of the setup window, and choose a midi
Re: Getting M-Audio Delta 66 working
Dennis, i'm trying to think through what might be happening that we're not seeing. A quick question. Have you increased the volume on the control in the desktop panel? (Grasping for fruitful straws here.) Alex. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Getting M-Audio Delta 66 working
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 1:39 PM, dennism...@gmx.net wrote: Hi there again, so here we go again... What I did so far: I deinstalled everything related to oss and rebootet. Now, here's where I stand: $ lsmod | grep 1712 snd_ice171274336 4 snd_ice17xx_ak4xxx 5888 1 snd_ice1712 snd_ak4xxx_adda10880 2 snd_ice1712,snd_ice17xx_ak4xxx snd_cs8427 11904 1 snd_ice1712 snd_ac97_codec123992 1 snd_ice1712 snd_pcm93320 5 snd_usb_audio,snd_ice1712,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss snd_i2c 7936 2 snd_ice1712,snd_cs8427 snd_mpu401_uart11392 1 snd_ice1712 snd71880 23 snd_usb_audio,snd_usb_lib,snd_hwdep,snd_ice1712,snd_ak4xxx_adda,snd_cs8427,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_i2c,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rtctimer,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device I guess this looks rather good. But still I hear nothing. I launched a mp3 with totem (the application I use should not matter, or?) and totem plays like hell. I tried both alsamixer and anvy24control (see attached screenshots). In envy, I see that something is moving, but I hear nothing. What I noticed im comparisonm to your screenshots is that you see both in alsamixer and envy the sound device M-Audio Delta 66 whereas in my screenshots, it says ICEnsemble ICE1712 at May this be the reason? Regards, Dennis Original-Nachricht Datum: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:56:39 +0200 Von: Asmo Koskinen asmo.koski...@arkki.info An: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Betreff: Re: Getting M-Audio Delta 66 working dennism...@gmx.net kirjoitti: So let's begin with the details. I disabled the on-board soundcard in BIOS and rebooted. Good. 02:07.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02) Yes. I have exactly same line. 06:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02) oss-linux-4.1-1051_amd64.deb -- installed it. So far, so good. $ ossinfo $ ossxmix $ osstest I strongly believe that you really do not need these, we play with alsa (+jackd, +pulseaudio) here, not with oss. I use for both computers Ubuntu Studio 8.04 AMD64. You are using Ubuntu Studio 8.04 AMD64, right? So I (and you) have the driver (module) on right place. No need for anything else. $ lsmod | grep ice1712 snd_ice171268644 1 snd_ice17xx_ak4xxx 11648 1 snd_ice1712 snd_ak4xxx_adda16512 2 snd_ice1712,snd_ice17xx_ak4xxx snd_cs8427 16256 1 snd_ice1712 snd_ac97_codec111652 1 snd_ice1712 snd_pcm83204 4 snd_usb_audio,snd_ice1712,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss snd_i2c13440 2 snd_ice1712,snd_cs8427 snd_mpu401_uart15360 1 snd_ice1712 snd63268 18 snd_usb_audio,snd_ice1712,snd_ak4xxx_adda,snd_hwdep,snd_cs8427,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_i2c,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device Use alsamixer for every four channel, lift (arrow keys) them near to 77 - all should be in green, not red anywhere. Then quit qiwt q. $ alsamixer http://www.arkki.info/howto/Ubuntu_Studio/04.png http://www.arkki.info/howto/Ubuntu_Studio/05.png Same with envy24control. $ envy24control http://www.arkki.info/howto/Ubuntu_Studio/06.png http://www.arkki.info/howto/Ubuntu_Studio/07.png http://www.arkki.info/howto/Ubuntu_Studio/07.png Now you plug your monitors to the break out box - OUTS 1 and 2. If play some mp3 files with vlc/rhythmbox/younameit, there should be noise/sound/music. Audacity works at this point, too. http://www.arkki.info/howto/Ubuntu_Studio/20.png So play first with alsamixer and physical OUTS, then we go deeper - to the world of the Jackd. Best Regards Asmo Koskinen. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Computer Bild Tarifsieger! GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users Dennis, In your Envy24 pic you have the pcm out sliders muted. Try unmuting them and see what happens. Alex. -- Parchment Studios (It started as a joke...) -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Jaunty Alpha 5 and linux-rt (ppa)
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Asmo Koskinen asmo.koski...@arkki.infowrote: Eric Hedekar kirjoitti: On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Asmo Koskinen asmo.koski...@arkki.info mailto:asmo.koski...@arkki.info wrote: cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 10) [for thread -1211418944, from thread -1211418944] (1: Operation not permitted) cannot create engine Hmm, strange. When you boot into the vanilla kernel, do you get this same error? No - when I use it without -R option. Jackd works without -R, but then there is lots of xruns, when you play with Ardour2. 1. stu...@ubuntu-studio:~$ uname -a Linux ubuntu-studio 2.6.28-8-generic #28-Ubuntu SMP Thu Mar 5 21:49:36 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux stu...@ubuntu-studio:~$ 2. stu...@ubuntu-studio:~$ /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 no message buffer overruns jackd 0.116.1 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 10) [for thread -1212401984, from thread -1212401984] (1: Operation not permitted) cannot create engine stu...@ubuntu-studio:~$ 3. stu...@ubuntu-studio:~$ /usr/bin/jackd -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 no message buffer overruns jackd 0.116.1 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. apparent rate = 44100 creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|256|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit control device hw:0 configuring for 44100Hz, period = 256 frames (5.8 ms), buffer = 2 periods ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 32bit integer little-endian ALSA: use 2 periods for capture ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 32bit integer little-endian ALSA: use 2 periods for playback alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.777 msecs alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.576 msecs alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 5.540 msecs alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.118 msecs alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 2.678 msecs alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 6.053 msecs 4. stu...@ubuntu-studio:~$ ardour2 Ardour/GTK 2.7.1 (built using 4296 and GCC version 4.3.3) So rt-linux is still broken, maybe some day. Only stable Studio with rt-linux is Hardy. Best Regards Asmo Koskinen. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users Just a respectful and gentle reminder here, that Cory did give us plenty of notice about the daunting challenges in building an RT kernel for UBstudio Jaunty. Lot of big changes in the vanilla kernel, and only so many hands on deck, to achieve the Ubstudio end result we'd like to see. Hardy 64bit works fine here though. Regards, Alex. -- Parchment Studios (It started as a joke...) -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Jaunty Alpha 5 and linux-rt (ppa)
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Asmo Koskinen asmo.koski...@arkki.infowrote: Eric Hedekar kirjoitti: On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Asmo Koskinen asmo.koski...@arkki.info mailto:asmo.koski...@arkki.info wrote: cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 10) [for thread -1211418944, from thread -1211418944] (1: Operation not permitted) cannot create engine Hmm, strange. When you boot into the vanilla kernel, do you get this same error? No - when I use it without -R option. Jackd works without -R, but then there is lots of xruns, when you play with Ardour2. 1. stu...@ubuntu-studio:~$ uname -a Linux ubuntu-studio 2.6.28-8-generic #28-Ubuntu SMP Thu Mar 5 21:49:36 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux stu...@ubuntu-studio:~$ 2. stu...@ubuntu-studio:~$ /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 no message buffer overruns jackd 0.116.1 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 10) [for thread -1212401984, from thread -1212401984] (1: Operation not permitted) cannot create engine stu...@ubuntu-studio:~$ 3. stu...@ubuntu-studio:~$ /usr/bin/jackd -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 no message buffer overruns jackd 0.116.1 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. apparent rate = 44100 creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|256|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit control device hw:0 configuring for 44100Hz, period = 256 frames (5.8 ms), buffer = 2 periods ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 32bit integer little-endian ALSA: use 2 periods for capture ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 32bit integer little-endian ALSA: use 2 periods for playback alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.777 msecs alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.576 msecs alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 5.540 msecs alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.118 msecs alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 2.678 msecs alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 6.053 msecs 4. stu...@ubuntu-studio:~$ ardour2 Ardour/GTK 2.7.1 (built using 4296 and GCC version 4.3.3) So rt-linux is still broken, maybe some day. Only stable Studio with rt-linux is Hardy. Best Regards Asmo Koskinen. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users Asmo, do you need capture ports? And would 3 periods work better than 2? Alex. -- Parchment Studios (It started as a joke...) -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Jaunty Alpha 5 and linux-rt (ppa)
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Asmo Koskinen asmo.koski...@arkki.infowrote: alex stone kirjoitti: Asmo, do you need capture ports? I'm no expert here with jackd - do you mean recording - yes, I need that feature, I need record voice and instruments via jackd/Ardour2. And would 3 periods work better than 2? I just try to clone my working Hardy environment on Jaunty, I use these options on Hardy. stu...@ubuntu-studio:~$ cat .jackdrc /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 stu...@ubuntu-studio:~$ http://wiki.ubuntu-fi.org/Ubuntu_Studio#head-d170ac730326977ff551a2b83fca37c1a9c53de9 Best Regards Asmo Koskinen. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users Asmo if you change -n2 to -n3 and try that, it may help. It depends on how low you want latency to go, but i'm one who sometimes thinks the 'obession' with ultra low latency is a bit self defeating. I sat in an orchestra for some time (woodwinds), and experienced quite a bit more than 5ms latency between me and the 1st violins. One learns to compensate. Maybe with 10-15ms latency, and a bit of 'instinctive user compensation' the end result may be better than one would think. Having said this, on 64bit Hardy UBStudio, i'm writing with an average of 8-10ms (non-live. I write in the box, so to speak), and on my new Debian 5 32bit build, with a self baked RT kernel (2.6.26-rt11), i'm getting 5-10ms dependent on task, comfortably, and importantly, with all day everyday stability. Previous testing, and i say this from a strictly personal perspective, had Gutsy UBStudio yielding the best results, with latency (tested for the fun of trying) as low as 3ms (stable). My soundcard is an Maudio Delta 44, with the ice1712 Alsa module. I don't use oss at all, and turned it off in the debian kernel build. I use raw as the midi driver, and a2jmidid for any cross alsa/jack midi requirements. limits are: audio nice -19 rtprio 99 memlock unlimited pidirq for the soundcard is set at a priority of 92 jack priority is set to 89 the computer is an AMD dualCore x64 5600+ with 4gb of ram. 3 HD, being 1 system, and two dedicated sample drives. Additional external drive for backup. All 7200, 32mb cache. Maybe something you see in this might help. *Note* In the settings you provided for jack, i notice you don't have a defined priority number for realtime, just an -R flag. Is there a reason for this? Alex. -- Parchment Studios (It started as a joke...) -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Jaunty Alpha 5 and linux-rt (ppa)
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Asmo Koskinen asmo.koski...@arkki.infowrote: alex stone kirjoitti: Maybe something you see in this might help. Alex, thank you very much. I try some more later tonight with both, Hardy (AMD64) and Jaunty (i386). Delta 44 and Delta 66 are essential same, same module (ice1712). My main computer is all Intel: as...@ubuntu:~$ lspci 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82Q963/Q965 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) 06:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02) 06:03.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB22/A IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link) as...@ubuntu:~$ as...@ubuntu:~$ dmesg | grep CPU [0.379905] CPU0: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6400 @ 2.13GHz stepping 02 [0.464473] CPU1: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6400 @ 2.13GHz stepping 02 as...@ubuntu:~$ as...@ubuntu:~$ free total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 2046584 6500681396516 0 23144 255840 -/+ buffers/cache: 3710841675500 Swap:0 0 0 as...@ubuntu:~$ Best Regards Asmo Koskinen. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users Asmo, just a quick observation. Have you added the temp line described in the Jack readme to your /etc/fstab file? Alex. -- Parchment Studios (It started as a joke...) -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: couple of problems
Henry, It may well be the case that i am indeed saying that. That's not to detract from the value of the UBStudio project at all. We all have different uses, and requirements. I have an orchestral writing requirement, so, for example, i'm chasing a lot of ports, and features that enhance the workflow of my particular process. The UBStudio team got me started in Linux, and as a straight install of Gutsy, with a few tweaks and updates to fix small challenges, it worked well. Since my initial trip through the Tux Stargate, i've learnt a little and been able to refine what it is i'm expecting. Kind of like knowing which question to ask i guess. UBS isn't a monster by any means, quite the contrary. But for updates beyond the UBS cycle, and a user driven intent of using brand new features to enhance the workflow, then there is the choice of building to a finer level, by source, selecting more specifically what it is we want to install, and importantly, install. As my still desperately modest knowledge grows, and given my specific requirements, i've learnt there is a big opportunity in a user specific build, tailored to a higher standard, for daily use. If you were a writer of pop, or hiphop music, my intended build could be totally unsuitable, for example, as i'd have apps and utilties installed, and configured to a different setup. So UBS performs a valuable service in getting a general audio centric OS in the hands of users who want to write, and record music, (Even pop, or hiphop. :) ) within the overall Ubuntu philosophy. For a unique build, we have the choice of a clean sheet, and build from there, app by app. As you wrote, it may be more useful to you to install vanilla Ubuntu, and add from there. It depends entirely on your usage requirements. I've offered just one perspective, that may or may not give you a view of what's possible, but practically, there are far cleverer chaps than me here, who could offer to you still another choice, or set of choices that are more suited, and almost certainly more intelligent than my perspective. You could say we have so many choices, that they.persuade the User to be 'more' sure of what he or she wants. There's been a few comments in this mailing list from those who just use a vanilla Ubuntu install, and are happy with that. Maybe a bit of a peruse could reveal something that will catch your eye. :) Alex. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: couple of problems
And i'll leave the flame suit in the locker as well, but i will say i don't think Pulse, which is a...domestic sound server, should be auto installed in what i consider a 'craftsman's' OS like Ubuntustudio. However some apps we use aren't built with Jack, and i can see why, given the continuity that Ubuntu seeks to maintain, pulse gets a viewing. But i maintain my view that Jack is a much better end result for a recording/graphic/mixing environment. That said, i faced the same situation as you when i graduated from Gutsy to Hardy, and i decided at the time to install a barebones setup with Hardy, and install as much as i could from up to date source, for precisely the reason you gave, of the multiple app dependencies that, when 1 app was removed, seemed to take a shedload of others with it. So i share the following based on my own modest experience: UbuntuStudio, like it's counterparts in the Ubuntu family, is based on stability, hence the lag in updates. Ubuntu isn't on its own with this, and it's worth remembering here that the UB team is a small one, and they cover a lot of ground maintaining the Ubuntu standard, for our benefit. We get good value as users, and we have the choice as to installation direction, either in Deb packages, or removing a handful of apps, and patiently reinstalling them from source, taking the chance that we'll be able to without too much angst. There are exceptions, Musescore being an obvious example, where user enthusiasm drove a fairly significant update, quickly. (Thanks Toby for doing this.) So I respectfully suggest here that you take a step back, grab a decent nip of cognac, and plan ahead. I wrote a list of apps that i use regularly based on experiments in workflow that i conducted over some period of time. After the list was done, and i'd collected all the source, SVN, CVS, Waf, and Git addresses, i then installed Hardy UbStudio, selecting NONE of the software install options for sound or graphic during the install process. The first thing i did when the install was finished, was remove pulse, through Synaptic. As i hadn't installed a shedload of apps, the 'damage' was minimal, and didn't pull much back out at all. I then scoured the bin, lib, share, and include directories for any vestiges of pulse, that may have got left behind in some obscure dependency requirement. I then updated Alsa, to a later build, installing only those modules i wanted. Then Jack. Then LAD/Ingen/Patchage, and LASH, including all the up to date libs and lib dev files from both ubstudio repos, and online. (libsoundfile being a good example here.) That's the sound server, and it's environment done, including any GUI's required. This a good place to check progress, and make sure the framework is sound, and reliable. (Good foundations, right?) After that it was LV2 and ladspa plugs. Then the main apps like Linuxsampler, Rosegarden, Ardour, Jconv, Aeolus, and so on, carefully reading install instructions, and taking note of any dependencies required, and importantly, their version numbers. I guess you could say this is a fairly methodical approach, but it's born out of clumsy user experience on my part, as i learnt to plan ahead, and not go through 1 step forward, and 2 sideways, trying to match dependencies, and not lose a handful of apps in the process. I got the message eventually. It's obvious to say this isn't windows, or simple out of the box stuff, but the reward for me was a lean, fast, powerful system, with ONLY the apps i wanted, and no bloat. (Within my very limited linux perception of what constitutes bloat.) You might well be happy with installing everything, and shuffling back and forth, and that's certainly more than suitable for those who like this approach. But after a lot of experiments, and associated mistakes, i finally get the wisdom of the modular mindset of linux, and the high percentage of satisfaction that comes with that. Henry, i have no idea of your linux skill level, or what you want out of your setup, so i only offer a personal experience of what works for me. I wouldn't go back to a 'install the lot then up date' approach, as the plan ahead and patiently install method, gives me a better result, with good stability, and the advantage of all those extra tools clever devs are building, and have done so in the last 6 months or so. I can't offer anything for your soundcard, as i'm using something else, but a trip to the ALSA site, and a browse in their soundcard matrix, may turn up something in changelogs that may give a clue to the current state of your particular module. So as far as Pulse goes, and only as my experience, i pulled it all out, and then followed Alsa and Jack instructions to setup a dedicated, or 'craftsman's' sound server. I find it easy now i know a little bit, and Jack's no bother at all. In my humble opinion, it smacks anything else i've ever used for ease of use, and i used to run 5 boxes, running the nightmare that was multiple
Re: What would you change in the audio app list?
Cory, not sure about new apps in, but it may be worth removing libgig, libigig-dev, gigedit, and gigtools. You might want to talk to the LSampler team about this first because it's their gig, but as we build LS from source anyway, the versions already included in UB don't match the source version, and create problems when compiling, particularly as debs. Not a big request, but still a challenge for users that comes up on a regular basis. Alex. On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Cory K. coryis...@ubuntu.com wrote: We've done minor changes to the list of audio applications since Feisty. But over 2 years things can pop up that we miss. So, we're asking you guys are there any new apps or replacements for old stand-bys out there? And this is just a chat about the current applications being included in -audio. (we're aware of the underlying technical issues) -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Learning Linux
http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html This may be useful, Alex. On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Larry David larrydavi...@comcast.netwrote: Thanks - I was thinking more of command line stuff I guess. I will probably try to load Ubuntu on my old G3 iMac as an experiment, and I assume I will be able to grok the GUI and use apps, etc. I want to learn lower-level stuff so I can maintain my own system, etc. ld On Feb 2, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Karoliina Salminen wrote: Hello, On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Larry David larrydavi...@comcast.net wrote: I hope this isn't too noobish for the list - can anyone recommend a book or a website to learn Linux - enough to be comfortable installing and troubleshooting UBS? Well, just download the Ubuntu CD and try it out. It is so easy to use and install, that you don't need a book to do that. I would bet that these days one needs more mouse clicks and trouble shooting in installing Windows. The only thing that beats Ubuntu installation in easiness is installing the MacOSX. But the difference is quite thin nowadays. Ubuntu is really easy to install and work on. You don't need to compile kernels and do programming yourself to use the Ubuntu. Linux used to be like that a long time ago, but those times are long gone. There was long a discussion if Linux is ready for desktop use, and the time it has been ready has been now already couple of years and Ubuntu is getting on each release better and better. The 6 month release cycle is very rapid and things change for better at amazing rate. Best Regards, Karoliina Salminen (running couple of Ubuntu computers) -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/ listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Pulse ?
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Cory K. coryis...@ubuntu.com wrote: alex stone wrote: I can run with Video people possibly benefiting from using Pulse (any more or less than alsa/jack? I write music to image, and jack does fine here), but i'm a bit lost as to how Graphics people might prefer pulse over jack or alsa or oss or anything else. Graphics folks benefit from *not* having to worry about JACK. ;) I don't understand your answer to the pulse latency question. You were quick enough to tell me i'm wrong, but then cited ESD as 'worse' than pulse, without any sort of clue as to actual latency in pulse or not. Seems like a bit of a red herring. As far as latency with Pulse *generally* goes, I've spoken with Lennart himself and it cannot (and maybe will not) go where JACK does. If JACK were in the main repo we could get the Pulse/JACK plugin compiled but that adds latency as well. I'm actually a little confused by the confusion. Starting JACK with JACKcontrol, Pulse should be stopped for as long as JACKcontrol is going. I forget but it *might* even be tied to jackd itself. Luke can chime in here. You're completely off the mark with Ubuntu ppc. It's already done, and works, maintained as a community project. Package selection is large (as large as any other ubuntu from what i can see), and one can install from source without a hassle. I have RG 1.7.3svn running on my G4 a.k.a. UBUNTU HARDY PPC, as well as ardour 2, AND ardour 3. All installed from source without any extra pain or hassle. (Only missing the RT kernel) If we got someone to get together the -RT kernel and testing we would for sure put out a PPC Studio. We've just lacked the man-power. -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users Cory, I've only got an older G4 laptop, but you can count me in for testing. (Sadly, i can't code) Alex. 32bit Ubuntustudio Hardy 8.0.4 (2.6.24-23 RT) 64bit Ubuntustudio Hardy 8.0.4 (2.6.24-23 RT) PPC Kubuntu Hardy 8.0.4 (2.6.24-23 generic) All major audio stuff, including Alsa and Jack2, installed from up to date source. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Linux DAW on powerpc (was pulse?)
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Khashayar Naderehvandi khashayar.li...@gmail.com wrote: You're completely off the mark with Ubuntu ppc. It's already done, and works, maintained as a community project. Package selection is large (as large as any other ubuntu from what i can see), and one can install from source without a hassle. I have RG 1.7.3svn running on my G4 a.k.a. UBUNTU HARDY PPC, as well as ardour 2, AND ardour 3. All installed from source without any extra pain or hassle. (Only missing the RT kernel) This sounds interesting. I have an old iBook G4 with 768M of ram, running as a sort of server currently. Would you recommend that machine as a Linux DAW instead? I always thought it would be too slow for that sort of thing. Regards, Khashayar -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users Khashayar, I can't actually answer this completely, as we don't have an RT environment with which to make a comparison. But i will say, from my own humble experience, that Linux runs faster on my little laptop, than mac ever did. I'll make a correction here too. I'm using KUBUNTU HARDY, as i don't know if that makes any difference for a Ubuntu vs ? comparison. I also have enough foolhardy bravura/courage/pick one... in me to install and try up to date packages from source/svn/etc... and so far i've either been clever, or extremely lucky. I built a tiny linuxsampler template of modest gig files as a sound engine, that runs ok for playback/recording (the G4 is 867mhz, 512mb ram, titanium version), and rosegarden ticks along without complaint, or stalling. One thing is for sure from my personal experience. The G4 has a new lease of life, and when i'm traveling, it serves well as a modest musical notepad for that moment of sudden inspiration. :) It would be fair to say that with any sizable arrangement, this size laptop might struggle, but that would be true (and indeed was) running mac as well. I've got further with the linux distro install, if that gives you some indication of the worth of such a change. Alex. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Pulse ?
Why can't we make pulse optional in UBStudio? I understand UBS as an audio specific distro that focuses on audio/multimedia production. We use RT, Jack, etc, knowing precisely what UBS is designed for. The only version of pulse i have installed now is in the laptop that i use for admin (Ubuntu Hardy). In that environment it serves me well, and objectively, i don't think it will be long before pulse becomes the generic audio choice for most distros, as it provides a common framework for devs to work with, something we could do with more of on the linux planet. However UBStudio, and other audio specific distros, are designed for a purpose, that, in most cases, requires a RT, or near realtime specific environment in which we gain the most advantage. As i understand it, pulse already introduces a degree of latency in it's operation that is counterproductive to realtime audio work. (Correct me if i have the bear by the wrong ear here.) In reference to my note about the laptop, i'd find it more useful if the UBS team could devote a little time in consideration of building an RT kernel for powerpc owners, be it laptops like mine (G4, circa 1800) to the powerful beasts that came out before apple went intel. I'm confident there's more than one user who has a spare ppc computer gathering dust that's crying out for use as a second box, driving linuxsampler, or plugins, etc... My little laptop with UB hardy ppc runs a good deal faster than it ever did with mac, and i'd dearly like to see it do the gazelle thing, speaking audiosyncratically, of course. So UBS pulse out, and ppc UB RT in here. Alex. On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Eric Hedekar aftertheb...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 2:46 AM, sandie san...@sandgreen.dk wrote: Hi all One of the first things I do when installing a new UbuntuStudio, is purging the system of Pulse and setting the system to use Alsa. I have done it so many times by now, and have even thought of making a script that automates the process. I know I'm not the only one who doesnt use Pulse in UbuntuSudio, in fact, I don't think I have ever heard of anyone using their pc UbuntuStudio machine for audio/midi-production who uses Pulse :-) Can't we have an option to NOT use Pulse in the install ? With kind regards and respect to the UbuntuStudio devs Sandie // Well I certainly regularly use and enjoy the features, and ease-of-use, that Pulse brings to my laptop. Furthermore, as it's the desired central hub for Ubuntu's (current and) future sound chain, it's unlikely that a disable option will be looked upon as a beneficial feature by the devs. Such an option would just allow application developers to forget about adding proper Pulse support. It would also probably cause many more issues than it solves from uneducated people opting out of Pulse or having their system messed up by the script at some point (there'd also need to be a feature to re-install Pulse as default should one change their mind). Currently, the removal of Pulse is a 'remove at your own discretion' modification; changing that to an install-time operation would imply official support for non-Pulse systems (this is the biggest issue behind your idea) and would require a large number of devs to bug-check and maintain this branch of the sound-server setup. Essentially, the sound-server setup is complicated enough as it is; adding official non-Pulse support would just add to everyone's headaches (and yes this includes the end-user). The closest thing I could imagine to what you're asking for, is: if you (or some other Pulse-hater) wrote a program/script that uninstalled Pulse, released it, refined it, fixed it, added a GUI, and packaged it for inclusion into Ubuntu's Universe repository, then it might get accepted. But I doubt that even then would it be included as an installable option on startup. Just my point of view. -Eric Hedekar -- ___ http://greyrockstudio.blogspot.com -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Jaunty RT
We had this discussion a while ago about the lack of rt kernel in Intrepid. There were varying views, but a very general consensus seemd to reach a conclusion of If it ain't broke... Sticking with Hardy, as tempting as new packages may seem, was a shared view among a decent percentage of views. But we had plenty of warning, and a decent explanation on why. Cory also expressed a real view of the state at the time, and didn't try to lead us into uncertain territory with any speculation It's my guess here that the changes in the vanilla kernel that resulted in questionable midi performance are ongoing, and it's quite likely the UBStudio team are as much in the dark as we are on the current state of the vanilla kernel, and when it's likely to settle into an RT capable and useable state. (not to mention the required standards for building in the ubuntu environment) Taking a step back here, and trying to view the wider picture, we already have a highly useable distro version in Hardy, and if you're inclined, in Gutsy (Which proved to highly stable a worked a treat.. We know the state of Intrepid, and why, and also understand that Jaunty may also offer challenges as well, with all of us waiting for news on the vanilla kernel state. Cory also explained that the jump in Ubuntu RT preparation between Hardy (2.6.24.xxx) and a 'new' RT kernel would be a lot more work than usual due to new features, and rebuilding added to any new kernel (I don't pretend to understand what they are, or why it's so different, i'm taking Cory's words here, and he's been honest with us in the past), and would occupy a formidable amount of time for the Ubuntu RT kernel dev, who does this for us, for free, as in decent cognac. (or beer, if that's your particular imbibable refreshment) I'm as keen as anyone else to enjoy the new features being added to the apps i use as much as any of you, and have enjoyed testing them in anticipation of a future UBStudio that returns to an RT configuration we know, and enjoy using. But i'm ever mindful, and appreciative, of the considerable work that goes into a project like UBStudio, from fellow human beings who apply their considerable skills for OUR benefit. Yes, i use linux for a living, and no, staying on a highly stable Hardy, with some source packages i've ventured to install, hasn't hurt me at all. Quite the contrary, i've increased my pitifully poor knowledge of all things linux, in general. (To slightly less pitiful) Can i 'respectfully' suggest (A clumsy attempt at diplomacy here...), in the interim period between Ubuntu RT kernel nirvanas, that others might like to take advantage of this lull in the breakneck development whirlwind that is the ever mighty Linux Audio world and use the time writing music instead? :) 2 roubles worth from a ordinary linux audio user who knows he can't code, and is reliant on the continued good will, superb craftsmanship, endless patience, and unfailing generosity of others to realise musical ambitions. Alex the linux crash test dummy Stone. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:14 PM, sue...@empire.net sue...@empire.netwrote: Original Message: - From: Gustin Johnson gus...@echostar.ca Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 08:18:55 -0700 To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Jaunty RT -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christopher Stamper wrote: On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Gustin Johnson gus...@echostar.ca mailto:gus...@echostar.ca wrote: So, looking forward: will we be able to switch to 9.04? In other words, will 9.04 have RT support, or will we still be stuck with 8.04? I have RT in 8.10. All that it required was building my own kernel (a 2.6.28), so you are not stuck with 8.04 right now if you do not want to be. People who don't want to bother compiling a kernel are 'stuck'; anyway, it's easier to stay with 8.04. You mean to say that people who *choose* not to investigate their options are stuck. You are only stuck if you want to be. stuck could mean many things. Building this and building that is rarely without time consuming issues. UX's have always been like uncle on the Jackie Chan cartoon: ...ah...one more thing If the goal of having Ubuntu Studio is to use it as a tool to do billable work, then staying with a known working tool rather than exploring options, and choosing to be stuck is the prudent business decision. mail2web.com - Microsoft(R) Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
Re: Future Ubuntu Studio design guideline and Jaunty/+1 idea
Plus 1 from me to keep it as it is. I'd prefer the blue to the orange. Easier on the eye in dim light. Alex. On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Nedko Arnaudov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm *thinkin'* of droppin' the #009bf9 blue and adopting the mainline Ubuntu colors. I'd still use our dark theme, just use orange instead of blue. Human icon set. The idea is to just look a *little* more Ubuntu. :) Just an idea. Thoughts? I like the blue in Ubuntu Studio much more than orange in Ubuntu. It gives it more state of art look. And I think it is better suited for something looking professional than orange that calls for joy of life, sunset, etc. -- Nedko Arnaudov GnuPG KeyID: DE1716B0 -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: JACK keeps me frustrated
I'd have to agree with this, Hartmut. In my explorations with Jack, i kept a backup of each change as a .jackdrc numbered file, i.e. .jackdrc1, .jackdrc2, etc.. Works well, and is highly useful for experimentation. If one doesn't work, rename any of the others as .jackdrc, and, well, voila. I'd also agree that Jack is powerful, not monstrous. It takes careful thought, and experimentation from the User, to define it's state for a unique HW setup, but the results are good. Effort in, reward out. And a big plus 1 for the wisdom of backing up, before and after changes. Alex. On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:36 AM, Hartmut Noack [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tomas Valusek schrieb: Hello, I curse JACK - such a hostile piece of software, Its not hostile - its powerfull. Dont curse the chainsaw, if you cut your foot, you would not be happy with a pocket-knife either ;-) whose error messages provide no help, stops itself working after mere editing of options according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToJACKConfiguration (first example, I happen to have the same sound card). THis example is errmmm... not perfectly the right choice for the average sound-card: - - Force 16bit should not be needed - - Selecting different devices for in/out should not be needed Choosing hw:00 as in/out in full duplex should do for more or less every modern soundcard Selecting 3 periods/buffer often helps with cheapo-soundcards and is recommended for all fiewire and usb devices The worst - I don't know how to return to previous working state other from completely reinstall Ubuntu Studio from scratch ... If only Linux had Restore points as WinXP does ... So this is the outcome of the bespoken Ubuntu usability efforts? Users long for Bug No1 in launchpad because the concept of making a backup and restore it if needed could be too complicated for Bob and Rosie?? whoooaaahhh -- scary messages scrolling by }:-] I absolutely don't know what now, how to return JACK to its previous working state. Can anyone help me? Many thanks in advance. To set jackd in its initial (working) state you only need to do as follows: 1.) open you filemanager and make it show hidden files 2.) search for .qt/qjackctlrc and .jackdrc 3.) make sure neither qjackctl nor jackd are running and delete them Starting qjackctl afterwards should give the same result as if you had a new-installed system. This is a the simple trick for making restore points: store all files and folders in your home-dir starting with a dot and store /etc completely. whenever you want to return to a previous state, restore these files, first those in you /home if this is not enough the /etc-stuff also. You should be carefull about the /etc-files if you install new software or do other config-stuff as root. If you like the results, make a fresh backup. If not uninstall the unwanted software and undo the configs. Only if one of the latter 2 fails, restore the /etc-files immediately. good luck ;-) HZN -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJE2Nl1Aecwva1SWMRAkG7AJ4ubnxs1Tkzb4YOJnHzbZR+R3j6twCfSjY9 IUJWC7Dbz7WbE25Ds3EFhxg= =lpm8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Jack rt problems in hardy
Done. Bug #230198 On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Andrew Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 alex stone wrote: | Just an added note. The latest version of python (2.5) has had a change | from 2.4, and 2.3 , and as a result pyjackctl doesn't work anymore. | Specifically, it can't find a file which is in fact on the system. | Hacking pyjackctl (as below) back to 2.4 hasn't helped either. | | Here's the error: | | Traceback (most recent call last): | File /usr/bin/jackconf, line 24, in ? | import pyjackctl | File /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pyjackctl/__init__.py, line | 19, in ? | from jack_menu import jack_menu | File /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pyjackctl/jack_menu.py, line | 22, in ? | from config import config | File /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pyjackctl/config.py, line 19, in ? | from xml.dom.ext import PrettyPrint | ImportError: No module named ext | | As i use a combination of pyjackctl and patchage to handle Jackdbus, | getting this sorted out would be most useful. Please file a bug report on Launchpad with the above information and we will see if we can get an SRU through. Thanks, Andrew. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkgqk/UACgkQSyj78chr9d8PoACggH9yoV8nk5JL5h4KNgg7S3V2 GG4AoKy/FQ4Vzz5wPHwolwr9DvaffOWu =xHzs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Jack rt problems in hardy
There's a recognised problem with qjackctl at the moment, not just in relation to the app, but the interaction with the latest Ubuntu, Jack, and the later version of the kernel. So don't panic, wiser heads than mine are working on it. On a brighter note, my thanks to Cory and the team, for a good build. I had an easy install, and everything is more or less where it's supposed to be. The transition from gutsy was fairly painless. A request. As Linuxsampler is no longer included in the Ubstudio package, can you please remove the remaining packages, so when we build LS and relavent programmes from source, either with fakeroot debs, or as config/make/install, we don't get conflicts. Thanks. Nice work team, and thanks. Alex. On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:23 AM, antoine clémot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forgot something : I'm using an Edirol FA101 (firewire). And never without my Gscanbus which allow me to reset the firewire port (everytime jack crashes, it means every 5mn...) -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Jack rt problems in hardy
Just an added note. The latest version of python (2.5) has had a change from 2.4, and 2.3 , and as a result pyjackctl doesn't work anymore. Specifically, it can't find a file which is in fact on the system. Hacking pyjackctl (as below) back to 2.4 hasn't helped either. Here's the error: Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/bin/jackconf, line 24, in ? import pyjackctl File /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pyjackctl/__init__.py, line 19, in ? from jack_menu import jack_menu File /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pyjackctl/jack_menu.py, line 22, in ? from config import config File /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pyjackctl/config.py, line 19, in ? from xml.dom.ext import PrettyPrint ImportError: No module named ext As i use a combination of pyjackctl and patchage to handle Jackdbus, getting this sorted out would be most useful. Thanks, Alex. On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:17 AM, alex stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a recognised problem with qjackctl at the moment, not just in relation to the app, but the interaction with the latest Ubuntu, Jack, and the later version of the kernel. So don't panic, wiser heads than mine are working on it. On a brighter note, my thanks to Cory and the team, for a good build. I had an easy install, and everything is more or less where it's supposed to be. The transition from gutsy was fairly painless. A request. As Linuxsampler is no longer included in the Ubstudio package, can you please remove the remaining packages, so when we build LS and relavent programmes from source, either with fakeroot debs, or as config/make/install, we don't get conflicts. Thanks. Nice work team, and thanks. Alex. On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:23 AM, antoine clémot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forgot something : I'm using an Edirol FA101 (firewire). And never without my Gscanbus which allow me to reset the firewire port (everytime jack crashes, it means every 5mn...) -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Rosegarden zoom.
This is going to sound really, really, dumb, but i've been unable to find an answer to this. I'm trying Rosegarden 1.6.1 in UBS. So far so good, and everything seems to work ok. (And a thank you and respects to the devs.) But try as i might, i can't find out how to zoom the matrix editor, or change the background colours in the ME and Main window to something lesswhite. I've been through the manual, and asked around several fora. The lines in the ME are too close together for me, and opening them up a little would help considerably. I'm using the standard Gnome window, with a few tweaks in Kcontrol to subdue the.white, as best i can. I don't need a gothic view, just something a little more subdued. Any help would be appreciated. p.s. The update works pretty well here in UBS, but i get the occasional sigrev error, when i try to add a couple of submasters to the existing layout. Works with a reboot or two. Alex. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Rosegarden zoom.
D, no problem at all, and no need for apologies. It's my first serious look at Rosegarden, and i've been impressed with what i've seen so far. The 1.5.1 was a bit problematic, but this latest release is a big step forward. Well done and thanks to you and the team. I do this full time, (writing classical music) so any foray i make into software tends to be in depth, and specific to what i'm trying to achieve. I've located the horizontal zoom easily enough, and yes, it was vertical i was chasing. It's early days yet, and just maybe after getting the grid designations assigned to Numpad KC's, and step inputting, i just might be alright anyway. After all, no programme is all things to all users. Percentages, lol. I've yet to find the backgrounds, but i'll have a fishing expedition through the rose files and see which path i'm supposed to look in. (I'm still new at linux.) Thanks for the input. Regards, Alex Stone. On Jan 9, 2008 1:56 PM, D. Michael McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 09 January 2008, alex stone wrote: But try as i might, i can't find out how to zoom the matrix editor, It only zooms horizontally. Looking at my working copy, I notice the zoom slider in the matrix doesn't have a label for some reason. It just has the little slider widget with no explanation beside it. Odd. Could that be the case for you too, and you just missed it, or were you looking to zoom vertically? I'm afraid there's some horrible technical reason why we can't zoom vertically yet. I think QT4 will eventually fix that, but that port is at least a year in the future. or change the background colours in the ME and Main window to something lesswhite. The backgrounds are hard coded, and your only choices are white, or the textured background. Glad it's working for you otherwise, and sorry about the inconvenience here. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Informative Ubuntu Studio Thread
Hello Scott. I'm Alex Stone, and it's, i guess, my thread you're referring to. I started it with the intent of documenting my journey as a new linux and Ubuntustudio user, and it's, well, grown a bit from there. You've no doubt seen that my intent is to create a professional working environment in linux with the tools we have, including Reaper in Wine. It's been a most enjoyable journey so far, and as you've remarked, a lot of talented and experienced linux users, including a dev or two, have already made important contributions. And like you, i'm a big fan of StudioDave too. It's his writing, particularly in linux journal that got me interested enough to start this in the first place! I hope you enjoy, and if any of the info is useful, that's even better. Rest assured the journey is far from over, and i'll be asking questions, and posting my impressions and discoveries for some time yet. As a new user, some of the information will be incredibly basic to the more experienced of you, but i've also had quite a few new users asking questions too, so just maybe it serves a wider purpose in the promotion of linux as a viable audio/midi production alternative as well. Finally i need to be fair to the Dev team at Reaper as well, as they've been terrific, and supportive. A far cry from my past dealings with other commercial entities. Regards, Alex Stone. On Jan 5, 2008 6:14 PM, Scott Lavender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a big fan of Studio Dave. If you don't know about him, I believe he is a professional musician and you should definitely read some of his articles and blogs. I believe you can find his most current articles, etc at Linux Journal online: http://www.linuxjournal.com/user/800764/track One of his articles talked about a good thread at the Reaper forums about someone's experience (another professional musician) in setting up and running Ubuntu Studio (yeah, I know, a US thread at a Reaper forum…heh). http://www.cockos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15238 It is a long thread but extremely informative as it talks about how to compile, install, configure, and/or run various programs under UbuntuStudio such as: * Jack – also mentions adjusting the priority and setting soft mode * Jackdmp * Wineasio * Wine * Reaper * VST/VSTi plugins * Line 6 POD * Qsampler/Linuxsampler * mscore 0.80 – they got it to compile with help from the dev * Fantasia * JackMidi * LASH – just starting to talk about it It appears to be an ongoing thread so I would expect more information and topics to keep appearing. I hope others find this useful. Regards, Scott -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Hardy kernel
Susan, thanks for the heads up. I was considering an upgrade fairly soon. I'll hold off now. Good info at the right time! For those who are using Ubuntustudio for audio work, i've charted a bit of a journey in a thread on the Reaper forum. I'm a new user of linux, and thought i'd document the journey. Who knows, maybe others will gain something from it too. http://www.cockos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15238 Happy new year to you all,and i wish for all of you an enjoyable, prosperous, and successful 2008. I do hope, given the enjoyment and working satisfaction i've already gained from Ubuntustudio, that this 'flavour' of ubuntu continues well into the future. Well done and thanks to all concerned. You did good, lol. Alex Stone. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
updating a programme
This is going to seem like a really simple question, but when compiling and installing newer versions of programmes outside of the normal autobuild systems like synaptic, do i need to completely remove the older version first, or while the update install over the top? I've googled this, and there seems to be a bit of both ways on this one. Not sure if this the right thing to do, but i'd also ask why so many of these programmes have predominately white exteriors. I have some degree of light sensitivity, and broad white backgrounds, tool backgrounds, etc.. tend to give me grief after a while (rosegarden , muse, etc...). I'm on the fairly generic ub setup, with gnome. What can i do to change this? I'm no goth, lol, and don't want everything black or evil looking, but even a neutral cream or grey (gulp) would be more bearable. Alex. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: a programme addition request
Correct D. Werner separated notation from Muse, and is developing it as a standalone programme. I've just noticed this morning, after reading Edwards's post that Toby Smithe has been working on this at version 0.7.0. The current release is 0.8.0, and quite considerable further along the road. Is this the normal pattern of events for programme inclusion? Susan, in a fit of bravado, I tried to compile 0.8.0 last night, and got plenty of errors, all pretty well related to a cmake problem. I'm not smart enough with linux yet to understand why i would get an error stating a programme i have installed, isn't installed. (?) If any of you have the time and knowledge to check out why this breaks, i would appreciate it. I'm only a notation editor and a few midi ports away from dumping Win and going pure linux, and in terms of printout and usability in my particular workflow, mscore gets the closest. Regards to you all for the festive season, and i wish you prosperity, success, and much enjoyment in the year to come.. Alex. On Dec 23, 2007 2:36 AM, D. Michael McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 22 December 2007, Edward Dunagin wrote: sudo apt-get install muse mScore is an offshoot of MuSE, but it's a completely different application. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
a programme addition request
Hello all, I´m Alex, and very new to linux, ubuntustudio, and mailing lists in general, so if i breach any protocol, please let me know. I´ve been using ubs for about a month and a half, and after finding (stumbling, falling, lurching, pick one...) my way through the install, and installation of extra packages, everything is running smoothly at last. I´m a full time writer and composer of mainly classical and film/doc/ad music, so getting all this working smoothly is of some importance. And with further tweaks to the system, i´m enjoying a stability, speed, smoothness, and relability that i´d never expected to get with more commercially inclined os´s. (Win, Mac, etc...) It´s a singularly rewarding feeling to use a complete solution geared specifically for audio/video use, and my thanks and appreciation go to the ubuntustudio devs for their efforts. Thanks chaps! Long may this distro reign and mature In the process of setting up a working environment, i´ve been trying more than one notation editor programme or component. Those included in other programmes, like rosegarden are functional, but lack a couple of bits here and there related to an intuitive workflow. Noteedit does fairly well, and the evolution of that, Canorus, seems to be making headway as well. I have another, that i ask the ubuntustudio team to consider for inclusion. Mscore, or musescore. (by Werner Schweer, the developer of Muse.) This programme, even in it´s juvenile state, is already usuable, and seems to hold much promise for a notation solution for chaps like me who write notes for a living, but need the import/export/ channeling components to feed into a performance end result. (and i´m currently doing this with Reaper, in Wine.) Is there a programme submission list or a procedure i need to follow to have this considered? As i´m very new at linux the deb building from source process is still beyond me, so to access a deb of this programme from the usual repositories would be a welcome bonus. Regards to all in this festive season, Alex Stone. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: a programme addition request
Susan, thanks for replying, and the help would be much appreciated. I think the programme is worth pursuing. Regards, Alex. On Dec 23, 2007 12:27 AM, Susan Cragin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Alex. I'm off to relatives for a few days, but e-mail me back next Thursday or so and I will walk (via email) you through the installation from source. It's not hard, and it looks like a great program. Susan Cragin -Original Message- From: alex stone Sent: Dec 22, 2007 8:15 AM To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: a programme addition request Hello all, I´m Alex, and very new to linux, ubuntustudio, and mailing lists in general, so if i breach any protocol, please let me know. I´ve been using ubs for about a month and a half, and after finding (stumbling, falling, lurching, pick one...) my way through the install, and installation of extra packages, everything is running smoothly at last. I´m a full time writer and composer of mainly classical and film/doc/ad music, so getting all this working smoothly is of some importance. And with further tweaks to the system, i´m enjoying a stability, speed, smoothness, and relability that i´d never expected to get with more commercially inclined os´s. (Win, Mac, etc...) It´s a singularly rewarding feeling to use a complete solution geared specifically for audio/video use, and my thanks and appreciation go to the ubuntustudio devs for their efforts. Thanks chaps! Long may this distro reign and mature In the process of setting up a working environment, i´ve been trying more than one notation editor programme or component. Those included in other programmes, like rosegarden are functional, but lack a couple of bits here and there related to an intuitive workflow. Noteedit does fairly well, and the evolution of that, Canorus, seems to be making headway as well. I have another, that i ask the ubuntustudio team to consider for inclusion. Mscore, or musescore. (by Werner Schweer, the developer of Muse.) This programme, even in it´s juvenile state, is already usuable, and seems to hold much promise for a notation solution for chaps like me who write notes for a living, but need the import/export/ channeling components to feed into a performance end result. (and i´m currently doing this with Reaper, in Wine.) Is there a programme submission list or a procedure i need to follow to have this considered? As i´m very new at linux the deb building from source process is still beyond me, so to access a deb of this programme from the usual repositories would be a welcome bonus. Regards to all in this festive season, Alex Stone. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
