Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
There is a problem of language and discoverability in Unity which is making it difficult for people to help each other by explaining their problems and solutions in the language that Mr Shuttleworth wishes us to adopt. The bar on the left is apparently called Launcher, but that name does not reveal itself on screen at all, no matter how you hover or click. When you open software centre a new app it asks you: do you want to add to launcher? Also rightclicking says: add to launcher or remove from launcher. the user has to work out how to access it, which, you've guessed it, involves navigating from the launcher to the dash and typing 'help', by which time, the user has grasped the basics. Agreed, used to be the blue question mark by default. I installed a custom ROM on my Android phone today, which took me through the Android first-run experience for the first time in ages. On the home screen was a carousel of 8 basic tips for flying the UI, with the final tip being how to hide the tips. With 12.04LTS on the way we desperately need to consider the different experiences and needs of first time users and users who upgrade, to ensure that every user who sees Unity for the first time gets to see some sort of Unity primer like this. At a minimum we need yelp in the launcher by default for new user profiles (if it isn't already). Crucially for the LTS we need a transitional package or something that detects an upgrade from an Ubuntu version that didn't have Unity, and ensures that yelp is inserted into the launcher for upgraders too. windows xp had this. I used it once and it even went through things like need of defragmentation. Good thing ubuntu does not need these complex concepts. I have to upgrade my parents' machine from the last LTS soon, and I'm dreading it, not because I think that Unity isn't fit for purpose, or easy enough to use, but because Canonical have not done enough work on the documentation to support users through changes which in many cases they'd rather not have to make. I just say press the windows key and type what you want: since it will start guessing with the first letter tell them to look at the screen. Seems to work OK. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
When 11.04 was introduced, I read a lot of discouraging comments about Unity, especially concerning its stability. Is it now stable or would I be better off remaining with 10.10. Regards Patrick Mulvey On Fri, 2012-02-24 at 01:29 +, Daniel Drummond wrote: On Feb 23, 2012 11:34 PM, Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote: I like Unity. Me too. The thing I like most about Unity is that it caters for so called power users. I like that I can control my workspace with the keyboard, and with the inclusion of Hud now the menu is easier to use. That said, it is no more difficult to use the mouse, and is quite intuitive for beginners. When I was training to teach last year I got lots of interest from pupils asking why my desktop looked different to their teacher's; many if them thought it looked cool. Some of the older pupils went home and tried it for themselves. My tuppence right there. Dan. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
On 24 February 2012 09:30, surfer pmul...@gofast.co.uk wrote: When 11.04 was introduced, I read a lot of discouraging comments about Unity, especially concerning its stability. Is it now stable or would I be better off remaining with 10.10. I would suggest not upgrading yet, 12.04 (in April) will have a number of fixes and enhancements. Leave it till a couple of weeks after 12.04 is released. Otherwise you will upgrade now and then want to do it again in a couple of months. Of course if you want to live life on the edge you could do what I have done which is to upgrade to 12.04 alpha and live with the occasional crashes. Just make sure you have a good backup strategy :) Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
On 24/02/12 09:30, surfer wrote: When 11.04 was introduced, I read a lot of discouraging comments about Unity, especially concerning its stability. Is it now stable or would I be better off remaining with 10.10. Regards Patrick Mulvey On Fri, 2012-02-24 at 01:29 +, Daniel Drummond wrote: On Feb 23, 2012 11:34 PM, Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote: I like Unity. Me too. The thing I like most about Unity is that it caters for so called power users. I like that I can control my workspace with the keyboard, and with the inclusion of Hud now the menu is easier to use. That said, it is no more difficult to use the mouse, and is quite intuitive for beginners. When I was training to teach last year I got lots of interest from pupils asking why my desktop looked different to their teacher's; many if them thought it looked cool. Some of the older pupils went home and tried it for themselves. My tuppence right there. Dan. Cool, yeah I find children / young people very open minded on this sort of thing, and willing to try new stuff. Encouraging for the future :D Paul -- -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.ubuntu.com skype : psutton111 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 01:29:41 + Daniel Drummond dmdrummo...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 23, 2012 11:34 PM, Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote: I like Unity. Me too. The thing I like most about Unity is that it caters for so called power users. I like that I can control my workspace with the keyboard, and with the inclusion of Hud now the menu is easier to use. That said, it is no more difficult to use the mouse, and is quite intuitive for beginners. When I was training to teach last year I got lots of interest from pupils asking why my desktop looked different to their teacher's; many if them thought it looked cool. Some of the older pupils went home and tried it for themselves. My tuppence right there. I'll add to to positive noise as well, by saying I like Unity. As do the novice users I've introduced to it. They find it makes more sense to them, compared to Gnome 2. -- Yorvyk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
I will also add that I get on fine with Unity, as do people I support. It is something completely different, but I find it intuitive and simple enough to use. I rarely go searching through the dash for anything as all apps I use, including terminal are located immediately on the left hand bar. Simple. I have also looked at Gnome 3 on Debian Testing and can get on with that OK but prefer Unity. Revert to Gnome 2 or change to something else? No thanks. -- Regards, Andy -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
Linux Mint is higher in the rankings than Ubuntu. Mint 12 is newer than Ubuntu 11.10 so people are interested to see what's on offer. I suspect when 12.04 comes out that will regain top place for the same reason Why is it that Unity requires the user to be an expert. When I first used Gnome 2 (6.06 Dapper Drake) having previously used KDE (Mepis) there were a few things that weren't that intuitive. However over time you get to know the system all seems good. There are things about Unity that annoy me (which I shall keep secret for the time being!) however I can say the same about LXDE XFCE KDE. At the moment it's usable hopefully will be even better in 12.04 so let's not get too upset! George -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
I've been exposed to Unity since the Ubuntu Netbook Edition, and while I can comfortably use it to do everything I need to, I had been convinced by the number of naysayers to give the latest Mint a spin. I was as surprised as anyone that to find that I still prefer Ubuntu, and that has to some degree reinvigorated me, but the fact that I had been tempted to look elsewhere after all these years convinced me that there is a problem to be addressed. Canonical has been accused variously of going its own way, or alienating existing users, and we've had anecdotal evidence of people frustrated at a loss of control over their desktop, or at least being forced to learn a new way of doing things, or a new way of achieving that customisations that they previously enjoyed. Similarly we've had reports of people who like Unity and have no serious problems using it, with I suspect the unspoken belief of many that these must be almost uniquely new users, with simpler goals and lower expectations. There is a problem of language and discoverability in Unity which is making it difficult for people to help each other by explaining their problems and solutions in the language that Mr Shuttleworth wishes us to adopt. The bar on the left is apparently called Launcher, but that name does not reveal itself on screen at all, no matter how you hover or click. In the same way, the first icon on the launcher says 'Dash home'. If you click it, you don't see the word 'Dash' anywhere. (Given that the former contains icons that reveal information about the status of various applications and the latter allows the user to start applications by typing their name, you could argue that the two names make just as much sense the other way round.) To take this problem to its logical conclusion, it is possible to change the behaviour of the Dash by clicking the icons at the bottom to display different Lenses. The icons have no labels or tooltips, and there is no reference to the word 'Lens' anywhere. There is a fairly useful help document available, but to benefit from it the user has to work out how to access it, which, you've guessed it, involves navigating from the launcher to the dash and typing 'help', by which time, the user has grasped the basics. I installed a custom ROM on my Android phone today, which took me through the Android first-run experience for the first time in ages. On the home screen was a carousel of 8 basic tips for flying the UI, with the final tip being how to hide the tips. With 12.04LTS on the way we desperately need to consider the different experiences and needs of first time users and users who upgrade, to ensure that every user who sees Unity for the first time gets to see some sort of Unity primer like this. At a minimum we need yelp in the launcher by default for new user profiles (if it isn't already). Crucially for the LTS we need a transitional package or something that detects an upgrade from an Ubuntu version that didn't have Unity, and ensures that yelp is inserted into the launcher for upgraders too. I have to upgrade my parents' machine from the last LTS soon, and I'm dreading it, not because I think that Unity isn't fit for purpose, or easy enough to use, but because Canonical have not done enough work on the documentation to support users through changes which in many cases they'd rather not have to make. Regards, Steve On 24 February 2012 12:37, Andy Braben andybra...@gmail.com wrote: I will also add that I get on fine with Unity, as do people I support. It is something completely different, but I find it intuitive and simple enough to use. I rarely go searching through the dash for anything as all apps I use, including terminal are located immediately on the left hand bar. Simple. I have also looked at Gnome 3 on Debian Testing and can get on with that OK but prefer Unity. Revert to Gnome 2 or change to something else? No thanks. -- Regards, Andy -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- *Please reconsider sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html* https://launchpad.net/~bouncysteve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
On 22 February 2012 13:43, Kris Douglas krisdoug...@gmail.com wrote: Why is it that Unity requires the user to be an expert. A picture of the ubuntu logo means a lot to us, but to someone who goes and buys a cheap computer it means jack all. They wouldn't think to click there there is no hit that explains it's existence. This thread has been completely derailed, but the fact remains... Why Unity? I dislike it intensely as a desktop... it probably works on a phone, but why do we have to now endure it on Ubuntu? We are not all on tablet PCs... can we not create an intelligent OS that offers alternatives? Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
Sean Miller wrote: On 22 February 2012 13:43, Kris Douglas krisdoug...@gmail.com wrote: Why is it that Unity requires the user to be an expert. A picture of the ubuntu logo means a lot to us, but to someone who goes and buys a cheap computer it means jack all. They wouldn't think to click there there is no hit that explains it's existence. This thread has been completely derailed, but the fact remains... Why Unity? I think the problem was that none of the alternatives looked compelling. Everything that was supported still is (where we say 'gnome' was supported, not 'gnome 2.x'), though, it's just that Unity is the default. -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23/02/12 20:57, Sean Miller wrote: This thread has been completely derailed, but the fact remains... Why Unity? I like Unity. I dislike it intensely as a desktop... it probably works on a phone, but why do we have to now endure it on Ubuntu? If you don't like it, don't use it. Simple. We are not all on tablet PCs... can we not create an intelligent OS that offers alternatives? Contrary to popular opinion Unity isn't actually designed for a tablet or phone. We're certainly exploring TVs, Tablets and Phones as you've seen in the news. But the meme that Unity is for touch devices and not for desktops/laptops is clearly wide of the mark. Cheers, - -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPRszaAAoJEMx6UFtfvV4w8iYH/ijhfbBwMHNAaiMENUFDY8ms 4kZNl983TsDTWAN7kiazf5WtpOVlKSoLMgO4ezxVcGREOINA/RfVeduMNIafOAz7 MqoIkwr/Fumkx5sbYOF36rg3f+JMMLDj9iCQF9mqkf7f2y2vIb8lRxqNoknInXIt pHKL1BNES6DoSo5j4eYylKgwkWGoJo5jOTpr/7drLrS8QFVmYRT3SCjVGPI5T2CH C56+W2WSej+/mdKlXfG0yj5EvADsC8Fb00R1j6k8P5yNxzHjJXL6iNw/dI0uJ1IJ QsBs383E4mAbHcMez/MQdMVaVCBDQYagcjuNoUFZnwXE3z6HhXOtK7TrkAw/KJc= =5CTV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
On Feb 23, 2012 11:34 PM, Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote: I like Unity. Me too. The thing I like most about Unity is that it caters for so called power users. I like that I can control my workspace with the keyboard, and with the inclusion of Hud now the menu is easier to use. That said, it is no more difficult to use the mouse, and is quite intuitive for beginners. When I was training to teach last year I got lots of interest from pupils asking why my desktop looked different to their teacher's; many if them thought it looked cool. Some of the older pupils went home and tried it for themselves. My tuppence right there. Dan. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
Without stating any preferences on a thread which is likely to bring forth opinions: As i understand it, the current Unity Interface is (at least in part) the result of the sort of testing you are describing: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/mark-shuttleworth-explains-dodge-ditch-decision-in-precise/ https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg07682.html j On 22 February 2012 13:43, Kris Douglas krisdoug...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Linux Mint is higher in the rankings than Ubuntu. I have just come off the phone with a customer, we write web applications and we prefer they use Google Chrome because we're planning to write a plugin and all sorts, but that is irrelevant. This customer called in, asked if he could install chrome on his new Ubuntu desktop. I thought, Great, another Ubuntu user in the world. I got him to open Firefox and download TeamViewer (we have a premium license) so I could show him how to install Chrome. We went through the stages, got it installed and working, but then, he asked where to open TeamViewer. He said It's not on the desktop icons down the left and I directed him to open the applications menu What applications menu?. This person is not stupid, however he did not know where the unity menu (or whatever it's called) was located. We spent around 15 minutes trying to get to the stage where he could open TeamViewer. It ended up me asking to type Ctrl+Alt+T to which he replied Oh a terminal, ok. We had TeamViewer running in seconds. Now what is the problem with this? A user that doesn't know how to open the applications menu must raise alarm bells somewhere. He has has this machine for 6 weeks thinking it only had the icons down the left installed on it. (i.e the Unity Dock). Now someone could say to me why didn't he read the manual? The answer to that question is Why should he need to?. Not even my Nan when she got her new Windows 7 laptop (after previously never using windows 7) read a manual, or needed to. Why is it that Unity requires the user to be an expert. A picture of the ubuntu logo means a lot to us, but to someone who goes and buys a cheap computer it means jack all. They wouldn't think to click there there is no hit that explains it's existence. So the question, I ask, is why is Linux Mint higher in the rankings than Ubuntu. The answer is simple, no joe average can use Ubuntu with ease now! You login to mint, you have a menu that says, believe it or not, MENU and when you click it, again, believe it or not, it shows you the program categories you can choose from (e.g Oh, I want the Internet, oh look Firefox, I know what that is.). It makes sense to the user, it is what they are used to and it is a very friendly and comfortable environment. The electrician I work with on this software has been telling me for two years now, meaning NO offence to anyone at all, but The user is stupid. I know this is not the most tactful way to put it, but after hearing this for two years I know what he means. Basically the principle is, the programmer is able to use the software, because he made it, he is an expert. If you give that to a user, who has no idea, he will have no idea how to use it. I am now writing software that explains itself, that has buttons that are obvious to the user, and it works. The number of phone calls we get are severely reduced, and the customer satisfaction is up massively. Us geeks who are writing this software have no idea how users think most of the time, this is because we are in theory more intelligent which is not necessarily true, but when it comes to the software we are, we understand the terminology. I could talk about this for hours, and I am going to write a blog post about it, people will have a go at me because I'm bashing the perfect distribution. But seriously, think about what I have said, and test it on people, and then tell me I am wrong. Turn of the I am a geek I know everything about Ubuntu for a minute, and imagine you had no idea what ubuntu was or how unity worked. You wouldn't have the foggiest idea. I would appreciate feedback, positive or negative on this. I don't want another Unity is better because it's better or gnome2 should be brought back because it's what I like. That's not how it works. Unity is honestly broken, someone must understand this, I will happily speak to people in person or on email in more detail about this. I am willing to help, but you have to understand first that Unity is not quite there yet first. -- Regards, Kris Douglas. www.krisd.eu -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
Also: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/stats-show-ubuntu-not-losing-ground-to-linux-mint/ On 22 February 2012 13:49, James Morrissey morrissey.jam...@gmail.com wrote: Without stating any preferences on a thread which is likely to bring forth opinions: As i understand it, the current Unity Interface is (at least in part) the result of the sort of testing you are describing: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/mark-shuttleworth-explains-dodge-ditch-decision-in-precise/ https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg07682.html j On 22 February 2012 13:43, Kris Douglas krisdoug...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Linux Mint is higher in the rankings than Ubuntu. I have just come off the phone with a customer, we write web applications and we prefer they use Google Chrome because we're planning to write a plugin and all sorts, but that is irrelevant. This customer called in, asked if he could install chrome on his new Ubuntu desktop. I thought, Great, another Ubuntu user in the world. I got him to open Firefox and download TeamViewer (we have a premium license) so I could show him how to install Chrome. We went through the stages, got it installed and working, but then, he asked where to open TeamViewer. He said It's not on the desktop icons down the left and I directed him to open the applications menu What applications menu?. This person is not stupid, however he did not know where the unity menu (or whatever it's called) was located. We spent around 15 minutes trying to get to the stage where he could open TeamViewer. It ended up me asking to type Ctrl+Alt+T to which he replied Oh a terminal, ok. We had TeamViewer running in seconds. Now what is the problem with this? A user that doesn't know how to open the applications menu must raise alarm bells somewhere. He has has this machine for 6 weeks thinking it only had the icons down the left installed on it. (i.e the Unity Dock). Now someone could say to me why didn't he read the manual? The answer to that question is Why should he need to?. Not even my Nan when she got her new Windows 7 laptop (after previously never using windows 7) read a manual, or needed to. Why is it that Unity requires the user to be an expert. A picture of the ubuntu logo means a lot to us, but to someone who goes and buys a cheap computer it means jack all. They wouldn't think to click there there is no hit that explains it's existence. So the question, I ask, is why is Linux Mint higher in the rankings than Ubuntu. The answer is simple, no joe average can use Ubuntu with ease now! You login to mint, you have a menu that says, believe it or not, MENU and when you click it, again, believe it or not, it shows you the program categories you can choose from (e.g Oh, I want the Internet, oh look Firefox, I know what that is.). It makes sense to the user, it is what they are used to and it is a very friendly and comfortable environment. The electrician I work with on this software has been telling me for two years now, meaning NO offence to anyone at all, but The user is stupid. I know this is not the most tactful way to put it, but after hearing this for two years I know what he means. Basically the principle is, the programmer is able to use the software, because he made it, he is an expert. If you give that to a user, who has no idea, he will have no idea how to use it. I am now writing software that explains itself, that has buttons that are obvious to the user, and it works. The number of phone calls we get are severely reduced, and the customer satisfaction is up massively. Us geeks who are writing this software have no idea how users think most of the time, this is because we are in theory more intelligent which is not necessarily true, but when it comes to the software we are, we understand the terminology. I could talk about this for hours, and I am going to write a blog post about it, people will have a go at me because I'm bashing the perfect distribution. But seriously, think about what I have said, and test it on people, and then tell me I am wrong. Turn of the I am a geek I know everything about Ubuntu for a minute, and imagine you had no idea what ubuntu was or how unity worked. You wouldn't have the foggiest idea. I would appreciate feedback, positive or negative on this. I don't want another Unity is better because it's better or gnome2 should be brought back because it's what I like. That's not how it works. Unity is honestly broken, someone must understand this, I will happily speak to people in person or on email in more detail about this. I am willing to help, but you have to understand first that Unity is not quite there yet first. -- Regards, Kris Douglas. www.krisd.eu -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- James Morrissey Research Officer Refugee Studies Centre | Department of International
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
On 22 February 2012 13:49, James Morrissey morrissey.jam...@gmail.com wrote: Without stating any preferences on a thread which is likely to bring forth opinions: As i understand it, the current Unity Interface is (at least in part) the result of the sort of testing you are describing: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/mark-shuttleworth-explains-dodge-ditch-decision-in-precise/ https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg07682.html j Hello James, That is entirely related to the fact the bar dodged windows, and yes I believe that is to be discontinued. However, that is not the problem to be honest, the the iconfication and hiding of menus and maximising each window... etc etc. -- Regards, Kris Douglas. www.krisd.eu -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
I can understand where you're coming from and yes, the visual metaphor does struggle a bit beyond the default applications on the dash but the thinking presumably was that there is a start button from which, as with Gnome (and Windows) all other installed software is installed. I understand and like Unity as I've come from OS X, which is where the visual toolbar plus other applications has come from, and remember that it wasn't until Leopard that there was an Applications icon on the Dock by default. I think this should be an option, and there should be a way of making it - that clicking on a dash icon gives a list of available applications in the Gnome 2 way, but that it should a use choice. s/ -- Twitter: @sfgreenwood more of a stain than a globule -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
On 22 February 2012 13:55, James Morrissey morrissey.jam...@gmail.com wrote: Also: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/stats-show-ubuntu-not-losing-ground-to-linux-mint/ I have to be honest I am tentative to take the posts on OMG Ubuntu as fact, I am not saying they are lying but sometimes they lack certain intricate details that would otherwise be included in online journalism. I actually really like OMG as a place to go, but I know a lot(5-10) of people are hearing about Linux Mint more than ubuntu nowadays. -- Regards, Kris Douglas. www.krisd.eu -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
On 22 February 2012 13:56, Kris Douglas krisdoug...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/mark-shuttleworth-explains-dodge-ditch-decision-in-precise/ https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg07682.html j That is entirely related to the fact the bar dodged windows, and yes I believe that is to be discontinued. However, that is not the problem to be honest, the the iconfication and hiding of menus and maximising each window... etc etc. Yes, in this instance. My assumption is that a variety of the features you are describing are tested in a similar manner. I suppose i should have placed your comment in here: But seriously, think about what I have said, and test it on people, and then tell me I am wrong. j -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
I have to be honest I am tentative to take the posts on OMG Ubuntu as fact, I am not saying they are lying but sometimes they lack certain intricate details that would otherwise be included in online journalism. I actually really like OMG as a place to go, but I know a lot(5-10) of people are hearing about Linux Mint more than ubuntu nowadays. Both fair enough points. I guess its simply worth noting that statements about Mint's popularity over Ubuntu are, themselves, likely the result of simple analyses of a process which is hard to determine/observe. j -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 22/02/12 13:56, Kris Douglas wrote: On 22 February 2012 13:49, James Morrissey morrissey.jam...@gmail.com wrote: Without stating any preferences on a thread which is likely to bring forth opinions: As i understand it, the current Unity Interface is (at least in part) the result of the sort of testing you are describing: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/mark-shuttleworth-explains-dodge-ditch-decision-in-precise/ https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg07682.html j Hello James, That is entirely related to the fact the bar dodged windows, and yes I believe that is to be discontinued. However, that is not the problem to be honest, the the iconfication and hiding of menus and maximising each window... etc etc. Kris I'm confused could you not say click on the big ubuntu logo, in the search field type in the name of the application you are after? Also now in 12.04 if an application is installed via Software-center and it has a valid .desktop file it is automatically added to the launcher bar which it wasn't before so then you get to manually remove any you don't want. - -- You make it, I'll break it! I love my job :) http://www.ubuntu.com http://www.canonical.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9E9lUACgkQT5xqyT+h3OiunACgvQ0cscLb19y693mAmTNrtrZc rwIAmwWjzbpKWcsPv3RO4hjeSfgDQEWr =TtCz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
On 22 February 2012 14:03, James Morrissey morrissey.jam...@gmail.com wrote: I have to be honest I am tentative to take the posts on OMG Ubuntu as fact, I am not saying they are lying but sometimes they lack certain intricate details that would otherwise be included in online journalism. I actually really like OMG as a place to go, but I know a lot(5-10) of people are hearing about Linux Mint more than ubuntu nowadays. Both fair enough points. I guess its simply worth noting that statements about Mint's popularity over Ubuntu are, themselves, likely the result of simple analyses of a process which is hard to determine/observe. I absolutely agree, I understand it's hardly fair to base this entirely on DistroWatch, it is based on the feedback I have received from my customers, (quite a few), my colleagues and most effectively family and friends. -- Regards, Kris Douglas. www.krisd.eu -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
On 22 February 2012 14:06, Dave Morley davm...@davmor2.co.uk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 22/02/12 13:56, Kris Douglas wrote: On 22 February 2012 13:49, James Morrissey morrissey.jam...@gmail.com wrote: Without stating any preferences on a thread which is likely to bring forth opinions: As i understand it, the current Unity Interface is (at least in part) the result of the sort of testing you are describing: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/mark-shuttleworth-explains-dodge-ditch-decision-in-precise/ https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg07682.html j Hello James, That is entirely related to the fact the bar dodged windows, and yes I believe that is to be discontinued. However, that is not the problem to be honest, the the iconfication and hiding of menus and maximising each window... etc etc. Kris I'm confused could you not say click on the big ubuntu logo, in the search field type in the name of the application you are after? Also now in 12.04 if an application is installed via Software-center and it has a valid .desktop file it is automatically added to the launcher bar which it wasn't before so then you get to manually remove any you don't want. I said those exact words, he didn't know the logo, and didn't understand why he couldn't just look through a list. It took me about 15-20mins to get him to the stage where he understood the unity launcher box. He thought it was a free trial which only came with the icons on the left and intended to buy windows to replace it. -- Regards, Kris Douglas. www.krisd.eu -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
On 22/02/12 13:43, Kris Douglas wrote: Unity is honestly broken, someone must understand this, I will happily speak to people in person or on email in more detail about this. code talks. Fix it the way you want it and submit a merge request. Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
On 22 February 2012 14:11, Alan Bell alanb...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 22/02/12 13:43, Kris Douglas wrote: Unity is honestly broken, someone must understand this, I will happily speak to people in person or on email in more detail about this. code talks. Fix it the way you want it and submit a merge request. Alan. I am primarily a windows/ web developer (sadly). However I am not going to say I don't have the time or anything like that. I will happily attempt a mockup. -- Regards, Kris Douglas. www.krisd.eu -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
Kris Douglas wrote: Linux Mint is higher in the rankings than Ubuntu. Yes. And Scotland is subsidising the UK. He has has this machine for 6 weeks thinking it only had the icons down the left installed on it. (i.e the Unity Dock). Now someone could say to me why didn't he read the manual? The answer to that question is Why should he need to?. Not even my Nan when she got her new Windows 7 laptop (after previously never using windows 7) read a manual, or needed to. No, because Windows 7 isn't mechanically different in that respect from Windows 95 or any of the intervening versions. Want apps? Click the bottom-left corner. If she's ever used Windows before she can use Solitaire on Windows 7. Why is it that Unity requires the user to be an expert. It doesn't. It requires the user to know how to use the computer, which is basically what everything else does. In fact, all you've pointed out so far is that the guy didn't know where the button for the search thingy is because it's not explicity labelled 'click here to search for something'. What else required expert knowledge? I'm a bit bemused at the thought of somebody wanting to run more applications and not then going on to try to work out how to do it either by asking or trying. A picture of the ubuntu logo means a lot to us, but to someone who goes and buys a cheap computer it means jack all. They wouldn't think to click there there is no hit that explains it's existence. It's roughly the same as the Windows 7 one. It's the logo of the OS in a circle. So the question, I ask, is why is Linux Mint higher in the rankings than Ubuntu. Because of how those rankings work. I'm sure I could concoct a ranking where Suse's winning if you like. The answer is simple, no joe average can use Ubuntu with ease now! You login to mint, you have a menu that says, believe it or not, MENU and when you click it, again, believe it or not, it shows you the program categories you can choose from (e.g Oh, I want the Internet, oh look Firefox, I know what that is.). It makes sense to the user, it is what they are used to and it is a very friendly and comfortable environment. That's lovely and all, but all it takes to get to that sort of proficiency on Unity is to say 'click the button in the top left to get a search box'. I know several 'joe average's using Unity happily. I could talk about this for hours, and I am going to write a blog post about it, people will have a go at me because I'm bashing the perfect distribution. But seriously, think about what I have said, and test it on people, and then tell me I am wrong. You're not wrong, but there's a very good argument to the effect that the vast majority of users are *not* new to whatever they're using, and thus it makes sense to pander more to the older ones. That way, rather than having lots of newbie-friendly stuff that gets in the way you simply have a very easy-to-use but not very intuitive system. This is, historically, the difference between Windows and *nix and is why everything takes an incredibly long time to *do* in Windows but a relatively long time to *learn* in *nix. This is also one of the major criticisms of Ubuntu before Unity came along - that it tries to be easy to use and instead gets in the way. Unity is honestly broken, someone must understand this, I will happily speak to people in person or on email in more detail about this. I am willing to help, but you have to understand first that Unity is not quite there yet first. File bugs. Maybe accept that it's not *broken* but simply not what you want, and instead make use of one of the other myriad options? Lots of people are quite happy with it, why break it for them in order to fix it for you? I don't think anybody feels that Unity is finished or perfect (is software ever finished?) but I think it's going quite far to say it's fundamentally broken. It's pretty reasonable to say that at least many of the designers are mad. -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
He didnt know the logo but a simple click the top left icon then type the name of the program couldn't have been said? I got my dad at 68 years old to do that easily over the phone. *Dino Tassigiannis BA (Hons)* On 22 February 2012 14:11, Alan Bell alanb...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 22/02/12 13:43, Kris Douglas wrote: Unity is honestly broken, someone must understand this, I will happily speak to people in person or on email in more detail about this. code talks. Fix it the way you want it and submit a merge request. Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/**mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ukhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/**UKTeam/ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
On 22/02/12 13:56, Kris Douglas wrote: That is entirely related to the fact the bar dodged windows, and yes I believe that is to be discontinued. However, that is not the problem to be honest, the the iconfication and hiding of menus and maximising each window... etc etc. There's a neat configuration gui called MyUnity that is designed to let you customise this among other things. I like the 'dodging' idea. My daughter hates it. It's easy to have it both ways! Regards,Barry. -- Barry Drake is a member of the the Ubuntu Advertising team. http://ubuntuadverts.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
On 22 February 2012 14:17, Avi Greenbury li...@avi.co wrote: Kris Douglas wrote: Linux Mint is higher in the rankings than Ubuntu. Yes. And Scotland is subsidising the UK. He has has this machine for 6 weeks thinking it only had the icons down the left installed on it. (i.e the Unity Dock). Now someone could say to me why didn't he read the manual? The answer to that question is Why should he need to?. Not even my Nan when she got her new Windows 7 laptop (after previously never using windows 7) read a manual, or needed to. No, because Windows 7 isn't mechanically different in that respect from Windows 95 or any of the intervening versions. Want apps? Click the bottom-left corner. If she's ever used Windows before she can use Solitaire on Windows 7. Why is it that Unity requires the user to be an expert. It doesn't. It requires the user to know how to use the computer, which is basically what everything else does. In fact, all you've pointed out so far is that the guy didn't know where the button for the search thingy is because it's not explicity labelled 'click here to search for something'. What else required expert knowledge? I'm a bit bemused at the thought of somebody wanting to run more applications and not then going on to try to work out how to do it either by asking or trying. A picture of the ubuntu logo means a lot to us, but to someone who goes and buys a cheap computer it means jack all. They wouldn't think to click there there is no hit that explains it's existence. It's roughly the same as the Windows 7 one. It's the logo of the OS in a circle. So the question, I ask, is why is Linux Mint higher in the rankings than Ubuntu. Because of how those rankings work. I'm sure I could concoct a ranking where Suse's winning if you like. The answer is simple, no joe average can use Ubuntu with ease now! You login to mint, you have a menu that says, believe it or not, MENU and when you click it, again, believe it or not, it shows you the program categories you can choose from (e.g Oh, I want the Internet, oh look Firefox, I know what that is.). It makes sense to the user, it is what they are used to and it is a very friendly and comfortable environment. That's lovely and all, but all it takes to get to that sort of proficiency on Unity is to say 'click the button in the top left to get a search box'. I know several 'joe average's using Unity happily. I could talk about this for hours, and I am going to write a blog post about it, people will have a go at me because I'm bashing the perfect distribution. But seriously, think about what I have said, and test it on people, and then tell me I am wrong. You're not wrong, but there's a very good argument to the effect that the vast majority of users are *not* new to whatever they're using, and thus it makes sense to pander more to the older ones. That way, rather than having lots of newbie-friendly stuff that gets in the way you simply have a very easy-to-use but not very intuitive system. This is, historically, the difference between Windows and *nix and is why everything takes an incredibly long time to *do* in Windows but a relatively long time to *learn* in *nix. This is also one of the major criticisms of Ubuntu before Unity came along - that it tries to be easy to use and instead gets in the way. Unity is honestly broken, someone must understand this, I will happily speak to people in person or on email in more detail about this. I am willing to help, but you have to understand first that Unity is not quite there yet first. File bugs. Maybe accept that it's not *broken* but simply not what you want, and instead make use of one of the other myriad options? Lots of people are quite happy with it, why break it for them in order to fix it for you? I don't think anybody feels that Unity is finished or perfect (is software ever finished?) but I think it's going quite far to say it's fundamentally broken. It's pretty reasonable to say that at least many of the designers are mad. Thanks for your post Avi, I do admit broken is a very opinionated way to explain this topic. I have also already said above that the stats are certainly a moot point and referring to them entirely is not necessarily the best idea. The user of this system could be categorised as lazy, like my colleague the electrician, who can't be bothered with it -- Regards, Kris Douglas. www.krisd.eu -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
On 22 February 2012 14:27, Kris Douglas krisdoug...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 February 2012 14:17, Avi Greenbury li...@avi.co wrote: Kris Douglas wrote: Linux Mint is higher in the rankings than Ubuntu. Yes. And Scotland is subsidising the UK. He has has this machine for 6 weeks thinking it only had the icons down the left installed on it. (i.e the Unity Dock). Now someone could say to me why didn't he read the manual? The answer to that question is Why should he need to?. Not even my Nan when she got her new Windows 7 laptop (after previously never using windows 7) read a manual, or needed to. No, because Windows 7 isn't mechanically different in that respect from Windows 95 or any of the intervening versions. Want apps? Click the bottom-left corner. If she's ever used Windows before she can use Solitaire on Windows 7. Why is it that Unity requires the user to be an expert. It doesn't. It requires the user to know how to use the computer, which is basically what everything else does. In fact, all you've pointed out so far is that the guy didn't know where the button for the search thingy is because it's not explicity labelled 'click here to search for something'. What else required expert knowledge? I'm a bit bemused at the thought of somebody wanting to run more applications and not then going on to try to work out how to do it either by asking or trying. A picture of the ubuntu logo means a lot to us, but to someone who goes and buys a cheap computer it means jack all. They wouldn't think to click there there is no hit that explains it's existence. It's roughly the same as the Windows 7 one. It's the logo of the OS in a circle. So the question, I ask, is why is Linux Mint higher in the rankings than Ubuntu. Because of how those rankings work. I'm sure I could concoct a ranking where Suse's winning if you like. The answer is simple, no joe average can use Ubuntu with ease now! You login to mint, you have a menu that says, believe it or not, MENU and when you click it, again, believe it or not, it shows you the program categories you can choose from (e.g Oh, I want the Internet, oh look Firefox, I know what that is.). It makes sense to the user, it is what they are used to and it is a very friendly and comfortable environment. That's lovely and all, but all it takes to get to that sort of proficiency on Unity is to say 'click the button in the top left to get a search box'. I know several 'joe average's using Unity happily. I could talk about this for hours, and I am going to write a blog post about it, people will have a go at me because I'm bashing the perfect distribution. But seriously, think about what I have said, and test it on people, and then tell me I am wrong. You're not wrong, but there's a very good argument to the effect that the vast majority of users are *not* new to whatever they're using, and thus it makes sense to pander more to the older ones. That way, rather than having lots of newbie-friendly stuff that gets in the way you simply have a very easy-to-use but not very intuitive system. This is, historically, the difference between Windows and *nix and is why everything takes an incredibly long time to *do* in Windows but a relatively long time to *learn* in *nix. This is also one of the major criticisms of Ubuntu before Unity came along - that it tries to be easy to use and instead gets in the way. Unity is honestly broken, someone must understand this, I will happily speak to people in person or on email in more detail about this. I am willing to help, but you have to understand first that Unity is not quite there yet first. File bugs. Maybe accept that it's not *broken* but simply not what you want, and instead make use of one of the other myriad options? Lots of people are quite happy with it, why break it for them in order to fix it for you? I don't think anybody feels that Unity is finished or perfect (is software ever finished?) but I think it's going quite far to say it's fundamentally broken. It's pretty reasonable to say that at least many of the designers are mad. Thanks for your post Avi, I do admit broken is a very opinionated way to explain this topic. I have also already said above that the stats are certainly a moot point and referring to them entirely is not necessarily the best idea. The user of this system could be categorised as lazy, like my colleague the electrician, who can't be bothered with it Sorry, Gmail misfired. ... However the system could once for the first time the user uses the system lay an overlay over the top explaining how to use the menus, etc. The part in your post about the history of *nix and windows is quite an interesting theory, I like that. -- Regards, Kris Douglas. www.krisd.eu -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
On 22 February 2012 14:18, Dino T. d...@dinot.co.uk wrote: He didnt know the logo but a simple click the top left icon then type the name of the program couldn't have been said? I got my dad at 68 years old to do that easily over the phone. Hello, If you weren't there and you were trying to explain that it's not as easy as it sounds. I said click the ubuntu logo on the top of the left hand side of the screen He returned to me it just flashes a box. He was double clicking, so I asked him to single click and the box popped up, no problem. He was presented with a lot of icons and things for different parts of Unity, he didn't understand the concept of searching for the program he was after so I had to explain that, and explain that he couldn't open a list, which was his main goal. -- Regards, Kris Douglas. www.krisd.eu -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
The user of this system could be categorised as lazy, like my colleague the electrician, who can't be bothered with it It doesn't matter what operating system is being used, if a person is being lazy and can't be bothered with it they won't be bothered by it and won't install an application or setup a printer because it is beyond them, or so they think. If however they are full of enthusiasm and keen to learn, they will succeed in installing some software, finding it, and running it. -- Regards, Andy -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
On 22 February 2012 13:43, Kris Douglas krisdoug...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Linux Mint is higher in the rankings than Ubuntu. I have just come off the phone with a customer, we write web applications and we prefer they use Google Chrome because we're planning to write a plugin and all sorts, but that is irrelevant. This customer called in, asked if he could install chrome on his new Ubuntu desktop. I thought, Great, another Ubuntu user in the world. I got him to open Firefox and download TeamViewer (we have a premium license) so I could show him how to install Chrome. We went through the stages, got it installed and working, but then, he asked where to open TeamViewer. He said It's not on the desktop icons down the left and I directed him to open the applications menu What applications menu?. There *is* no applications menu in Unity. There are various ways to accomplish what you want. The simplest would have been to tell him to press the Windows key and type teamviewer then hit return. Instead, it sounds like you do not know the correct terminology to use and are unable to describe to a remote user, using non-specialist language, what you want him to do. I too am a technical support specialist (among other things) and I too remotely do telephone support for Linux users. In this instance, I am afraid that I have to say that it sounds to me like the problem here is nothing to do with Ubuntu or the user, it was your inadequate language skills being unequal to the task of telling him what to do - or your personal Ubuntu skills being insufficient in that you did know know what he needed to do yourself. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
On 22/02/12 14:14, Kris Douglas wrote: I am primarily a windows/ web developer (sadly). However I am not going to say I don't have the time or anything like that. I will happily attempt a mockup. it is mostly not as hard as you might expect. I did some messing with the apps lens having never seen Vala code before and I got it doing what I wanted and sorting the applications into categories as per the gnome menu: http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/appmenulens.png I do want to rewrite this as a supplimentary lens that can sit alongside the main apps lens without conflicting with it so I will start again in python, but it was only just an hour or two to rip out the recently used and stuff you don't have categories and put in the familiar ones. I will redo it in python with singlet and document the process http://mhall119.com/2012/02/singlet-quickly-better-faster-simpler/ Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
On 22 February 2012 16:05, Alan Bell alanb...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 22/02/12 14:14, Kris Douglas wrote: I am primarily a windows/ web developer (sadly). However I am not going to say I don't have the time or anything like that. I will happily attempt a mockup. it is mostly not as hard as you might expect. I did some messing with the apps lens having never seen Vala code before and I got it doing what I wanted and sorting the applications into categories as per the gnome menu: http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/appmenulens.png I do want to rewrite this as a supplimentary lens that can sit alongside the main apps lens without conflicting with it so I will start again in python, but it was only just an hour or two to rip out the recently used and stuff you don't have categories and put in the familiar ones. Oh, very nice! That is more or less exactly how I wanted it to work! -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
That is perfect... This is exactly what it needed, really good. Sent from my Desire HD On Feb 22, 2012 4:05 PM, Alan Bell alanb...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 22/02/12 14:14, Kris Douglas wrote: I am primarily a windows/ web developer (sadly). However I am not going to say I don't have the time or anything like that. I will happily attempt a mockup. it is mostly not as hard as you might expect. I did some messing with the apps lens having never seen Vala code before and I got it doing what I wanted and sorting the applications into categories as per the gnome menu: http://people.ubuntu.com/~**alanbell/appmenulens.pnghttp://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/appmenulens.png I do want to rewrite this as a supplimentary lens that can sit alongside the main apps lens without conflicting with it so I will start again in python, but it was only just an hour or two to rip out the recently used and stuff you don't have categories and put in the familiar ones. I will redo it in python with singlet and document the process http://mhall119.com/2012/02/**singlet-quickly-better-faster-**simpler/http://mhall119.com/2012/02/singlet-quickly-better-faster-simpler/ Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/**mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ukhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/**UKTeam/ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
On 22/02/12 16:05, Alan Bell wrote: it is mostly not as hard as you might expect. I did some messing with the apps lens having never seen Vala code before and I got it doing what I wanted and sorting the applications into categories as per the gnome menu: http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/appmenulens.png Now that's an improvement! What it needs is a user customisable favourites section at the top, and little triangles to fold the other categories to save space and I'd use it. I do want to rewrite this as a supplimentary lens that can sit alongside the main apps lens without conflicting with it so I will start again in python, but it was only just an hour or two to rip out the recently used and stuff you don't have categories and put in the familiar ones. Is there any chance you could do a quick writeup of what you did, as I think that would be very useful for those of us who want to customise things, even if it does require some programming. I will redo it in python with singlet and document the process http://mhall119.com/2012/02/singlet-quickly-better-faster-simpler/ Excellent! -- JimP -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.
On 22/02/12 14:29, Kris Douglas wrote: ... However the system could once for the first time the user uses the system lay an overlay over the top explaining how to use the menus, etc. Interestingly enough, Unity 5 in Precise does something similar: it displays an overlay when you press the Super key to tell you about all the cool keyboard shortcuts. So that sort of concepts is already supported. Why don't you file a bug asking for it with explanations of how it would improve user experience? Cheers, Bruno -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
