[Unattended] Some ideas from the new guy

2004-03-22 Thread Don Morrison
Greetings list,

First off I want to say thank you for such a great "product". I started
using Unattended last year and then got into a ton of budgeting, planning,
etc so our XP upgrade, the main reason for starting to use Unattended, was
delayed. But now, with all that over (for now), I have downloaded the newest
version and am currently running the very rockin prepare script!  So thanks
and hats off to all of you.

On to the real reasons for this message:

Package Management
***
I was reading through the mail list archives and saw that package management
is something that is needed/wanted.  I agree wholeheartedly. I wanted to see
if we were on the same page here -- Package management in the way I read it
is a system that would keep an Unattended server up to date with the latest
patches, hotfixes, application installers, etc. Does that seem a fair
assumption? If so, perhaps we could adopt a similar strategy to the Gentoo
Portage system. (For those of you not familiar with Gentoo or Portage ...
Gentoo is a distribution of Linux and Portage is a package management system
written for said distro.) I use Gentoo on a number of machines at work and
love the portage system. It handles a lot more than we might need for
unattended but some of the design principles seem to be a good fit. Having a
central registry of all these "packages" that we can sync to would be ideal.
Letting "maintainers" update these packages would be even better. Has anyone
put specific thought into this? If so, what was it? And, what would be the
next steps? If we all need it and it is just going to need someone to write
it I would like to volunteer. My expertise is in web programming anyway,
that seems a logical way to do it. I have a ton of bandwidth at work (I am
on a university campus) and could have a test server up nice a quick. If no
one else has really looked into this I can start to formalize my thoughts
and present a design recommendation to the list.


Post Install Usage
***
Or, Client Package Management. The other side of the coin is that if our
servers are updated with the latest packages how do we keep the client
machines going. I know that this is a little out of the scope of an
Unattended install project, but like I mentioned above ... All the scripts
are written for package installation, it would seem practical to reuse this
immense effort. I know that some of you have thought of this, or are doing
it. If you are already doing some of this, is it through login scripts? Or
some other way? Using a subset of the Unattended logic in login scripts
makes sense to me. My thought is that this would apply to adding
applications (packages) to an existing machine as well.


The Rest(TM)
***
These aren't as thought out as the stuff above (ha!) but I wanted to get
them out there while I was thinking of them. [Most of this is predicated on
me having a decent inventory (asset management) system in place. I am
getting ready to write one up though, and figured if any of this fits I can
take it into account.]

* Administrative interface: Here is an example -- I know I am having a new
user start, they are going to get the base install, the sales install, and a
couple of other apps too. I log in to the web interface of my Unattended
server, select the machine from my inventory, select the os, select base,
sales, then select the other applications from my catalog of installs. This
creates a file like the .csv examples so that the appropriate os and
applications are installed. (If all this logic is being used to maintain the
machines as well, you could log in and select an application to *add* to a
specific machine and it would be the next time the logged in!) The admin
side could also be used to maintain site configuration files, like the
[_meta] info.

* Logging: When a machine is built the log files (or entries) are stored on
the server and accessible via the administrative interface. This allows me
to see what has been done to a specific machine. These entries would be
written when software is added as well.

* License counts: Now I am just wishing aren't I? If I have a fixed amount
of licenses for a specific application I can decrement that number when it
is selected from the interface (or maybe when it is installed), unless the
user is already licensed for it...etc etc

Does any of this sound like it could be usable by someone other than me? 

If so, what kinds of technologies would you like to see used? I tend to lean
toward the stuff that can run on multiple platforms (the LAMP framework is
good for that).
 - For the web stuff would you rather see PHP, or Zope, or ASP , or ??
 - How about data storage (MySQL, MS SQL, or ??)

*** 
I know this is pretty scatter brained but I have had it all on my mind for
several months now and finally have some time to throw at it. I am not
putting these ideas out there in the hopes that someone else will do it -- I
am solici

RE: [Unattended] RE: IRM [was: Some ideas from the new guy]

2004-03-23 Thread Don Morrison
Thanks for the feedback Matt.  I checked out IRM a couple of weeks ago as I
was ramping up for my inventory project.  I still haven't selected one I
wanted to use.  I found myself being drawn to Brage - CM
(http://brage-cm.sourceforge.net/).  I enjoy the profiles and events
portion.  Of course, if we did it right, Unattended wouldn't care what you
were running in the background.  Perhaps having a couple of different
systems tested wouldn't be a bad thing.

Don

> On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Matthew Palmer wrote:
>
> > You may or may not be aware of the existence of a nice
> little webapp called
> > IRM.  It can do machine, user, licence, networking
> tracking, (and soon
> > peripherals).  My "dream" (called that because I want to do
> it but have no
> > clear plan on when or how) is to integrate Unattended and
> IRM, as follows:
>
> This IRM application sounds interesting. Would you happen to have a 
> link to its homepage? The only matching entry I can find on Freshmeat 
> is http://www.stackworks.net/view.php/irm/index.html.

That be the one - or at least it's current location.  Keeps moving every few
months.

Or, if you're running Debian, you can apt-get install irm.

- Matt



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[Unattended] JRE2 Install command switch

2004-03-23 Thread Don Morrison
Hey guys,

I was having a problem with the JRE2 install this morning and figured out it
was the missing space before the "/qb" switch [This was been fixed in CVS by
slords on March 21 :)].  But as I was looking at the Java Silent
Installation doc I noticed the switch should be /qn.  I confirmed that on
the InstallShield site (http://support.installshield.com/).  I tested the
install with both and it doesn't seem to effect the end result of having the
plugins registered but it does effect the "noise" level of the installation.
With /qb there is still a status window displayed while using /qn results in
absolute zen-like silence.

So my todo line in sun-jre.bat looks like this now:

todo.pl "%Z%\packages\j2re-1_4_2_03-windows-i586-p.exe /s /v\ "/qn
IEXPLORER=1 MOZILLA=1 NETSCAPE6=1 REBOOT=ReallySuppress\""

I have attached the diff of the orig and my update under cygwin, does that
help you out at all?

Thanks.
Don



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RE: [Unattended] JRE2 Install command switch

2004-03-23 Thread Don Morrison
"was been fixed"??  Oh yeah!  I'm going home ...

-Original Message-
From: Don Morrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 5:29 PM
To: Unattended Info ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Subject: [Unattended] JRE2 Install command switch

Hey guys,

I was having a problem with the JRE2 install this morning and figured out it
was the missing space before the "/qb" switch [This was been fixed in CVS by
slords on March 21 :)].  But as I was looking at the Java Silent
Installation doc I noticed the switch should be /qn.  I confirmed that on
the InstallShield site (http://support.installshield.com/).  I tested the
install with both and it doesn't seem to effect the end result of having the
plugins registered but it does effect the "noise" level of the installation.
With /qb there is still a status window displayed while using /qn results in
absolute zen-like silence.

So my todo line in sun-jre.bat looks like this now:

todo.pl "%Z%\packages\j2re-1_4_2_03-windows-i586-p.exe /s /v\ "/qn
IEXPLORER=1 MOZILLA=1 NETSCAPE6=1 REBOOT=ReallySuppress\""

I have attached the diff of the orig and my update under cygwin, does that
help you out at all?

Thanks.
Don



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RE: [Unattended] JRE2 Install command switch

2004-03-24 Thread Don Morrison
Doh! I didn't see the qb in the Sun silent install page.  I am glad that
what I reasoned was happening was correct -- just wish I had re-read the
installers page first.  

Maybe this is the deal with the space (from the Sun silent install page):

In the various command line examples below a space appears between the /v
and the quote ("); i.e., /v ". The space is required for 1.4.2_01 and higher
releases that are installed by the "Windows Installation" method (aka
"install from the web"). For "Windows Offline Installation" no space should
appear.

And yet, when I read about the install formats is sure looks like we use the
Windows Offline method.

?? 

All that information and no real answer.  I love computers.
Don


-Original Message-
From: Patrick J. LoPresti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:06 PM
To: Adam Peart
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Unattended] JRE2 Install command switch

Adam Peart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> And here I like seeing the progress bar' because it tells me the 
> computer is doing something and isn't frozen, as well as how it's 
> going.  Just my two cents.

Yeah, I like progress bars too, which is why I opted for /qb instead of /qn
like Sun documents.

The package is just an "InstallShield Basic MSI" installer:

  http://unattended.sourceforge.net/installers.html#ismsi

I am a little surprised that the space is required, since I am almost
certain I used to install the JRE without it...  I wonder what is going on
here, exactly.

But whatever works :-).

 - Pat


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[Unattended] Package creation question (Macromedia Studio MX 2004)

2004-03-27 Thread Don Morrison
Have been working on the Macromedia Studio MX 2004 installation and have it
pretty much done.  Just had a methodological question for you all.

When installing Flash MX 2004 if you have one or more Netscape compatible
browsers (Mozilla, FireFox, etc) you get a window asking if you would like
to install the Flash Player for any of these browsers (it isn't an
InstallShield window).  If you don't have any of these browsers the standard
silent install goes off without a hitch.  So, if you are going to install
Flash after the browsers then you need an AutoIt script, if not then the reg
batch is fine.  

Have any of you had something like this come up?  I looked through the
AutoIt documentation and I don't see how I can handle waiting for a window
that may never show up except to give it a crazy long timeout (which seems a
bit evil).  [This time I did read the installers page
http://unattended.sourceforge.net/installers.html :) and noticed that there
are several applications mentioned there that have similar problems as far
as custom dialog windows.]

Still, I figure that I will be putting at least Mozilla on my machines so
the AutoIt script I should work.

Don


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RE: [Unattended] Package creation question (Macromedia Studio MX 2004)

2004-03-31 Thread Don Morrison
Michael,

This seems as good a way as any to handle it.  I had briefly thought about
nesting aut files but didn't/don't have enough experience with it to know
that it would work.  Guess now I know.  :)  Thank you very much for the
response.

Don

-Original Message-
From: Michael Kahle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Unattended] Package creation question (Macromedia Studio MX
2004)

Don Morrison wrote:
> Have any of you had something like this come up?  I looked through the 
> AutoIt documentation and I don't see how I can handle waiting for a 
> window that may never show up except to give it a crazy long timeout

I handle this is a strange way with AutoIt.  I have a installation script
for a program called Vantage.  Vantage is a lame manufacturing business
package that my company uses.  When trying to auto install this package
there are some error messages that may (or may not) show up depending on
known factors like operating system and other unknown factors.  So, to
handle this I launch AutoIt twice.  It looks like this:

A batch file called vantage6.bat contains the following code:

:: Install Vantage 6.0
:: Vantage 6.0 Installation Script

start /wait z:\bin\AutoIt.exe z:\scripts\vantage6_go.aut
:if errorlevel 1 exit 1

This launches an AutoIt script called vantage6_go.aut, that contains the
following code:

; AutoIt script for installing Vantage 6.0
; 
; Created: August 23, 2003
; This script checks for various unexpected conditions to exist in
the 
; vantage installation.

// Notice here I run another AutoIt script that does the actual
installation, while this script simply checks for errors and handels them.

run, Z:\\bin\\autoit.exe z:\\scripts\\vantage6_install.aut

Check:
IfWinExist,Severe,A previous installation of the same version has
been detected,Goto,KillInstall
IfWinExist,Java Package Manager,Unable to install Java packages
from,Goto,Kill
IfWinExist,Replace Registry Key, The file extension .DB is already
registered,Goto,Kill
; Commit shared files error
IfWinExist,Commit Shared Files,Some files could not be updated
because they are currently in use,Goto,Kill
IfWinExist,Finished,,Goto,Finished
Goto,Check

Kill:
Send, {ENTER}
Goto,Check

KillInstall:
Send, {ENTER}
Send, {TAB}
Send, {ENTER}
WinWaitActive,Install,Setup is not complete
Send, !x
Goto,Finished

Finished:
Exit

Finally the script vantage6_install.aut:

; AutoIt script for installing Vantage 6.0
; 
; Created: August 23, 2003
; OS: Windows 9x, 2K, & XP
;
; Description:
; This script will do a common installation of 
; Vantage on a users machine.
;
;SplashTextOn, 300, 200, Installing, Installing Vantage 5.00.301, Do
Not Touch Keys

; First check to see if the directory vntgwork exists.  If it does,
exit with error.
IfExist,C:\\vntgwork,Goto,errorVntgworkExists

; Create the directories for the Vantage temp space and the
userforms
IfNotExist,C:\\vntgwork,FileCreateDir,C:\\vntgwork

IfNotExist,C:\\vntgwork\\userform,FileCreateDir,C:\\vntgwork\\userform

; Start the Vantage 6 Client Install
run, V:\\MFGSYS60\\MFGClientSetup.EXE

; Vantage Installation Steps...

; "Welcome!" Install Screen
WinWaitActive,Manufacturing by Epicor Version 6.00.500 Setup
Wizard,Welcome!
Send,!n

; "Vantage Software Directory" Install Screen
WinWaitActive,Manufacturing by Epicor Version 6.00.500 Setup
Wizard,Vantage Software Directory
Send,V:\\MFGSYS60
Send,!n

; "Progress Client Software Directory" Install Screen
WinWaitActive,Manufacturing by Epicor Version 6.00.500 Setup
Wizard,Progress Client Software Directory
Send,V:\\PRGS91D
Send,!n

; "Database Options" Install Screen
WinWaitActive,Vantage Version 6.00.500 Setup Wizard,Database Options
Send,!n

; "Select program shortcuts" Install Screen
WinWaitActive,Manufacturing by Epicor Version 6.00.500 Setup
Wizard,Select program shortcuts
Send,!n

; "Software Installation Options" Install Screen
WinWaitActive,Manufacturing by Epicor Version 6.00.500 Setup
Wizard,Software Installation Options
Send,!n

; "Vantage Database Port Assignment" Install Screen
WinWaitActive,Vantage Version

RE: [Unattended] Sharing unattended install scripts

2004-03-31 Thread Don Morrison
> > In an ideal world, should all unattended users be adding 
> their scripts 
> > to the main unattended distribution, or is it desirable to keep the 
> > included set of scripts to some limited, manageable set?
> 
> Personally, I'd like to see a /contrib. directory with 
> optional scripts. The scripts within the contrib. directory 
> would have to be copied into /install/scripts before becoming 
> functional.

I like the contrib idea.  I plan on adding a bunch for the particular
applications needed here and it would be great if others can benefit from my
work.

> 
> >Is anyone else creating scripts and sharing them via  their own web 
> >pages or elsewhere?
> 
> ftp://www.hansonsystems.com/unattended/
> 
> > I would think that with unattended's growing user base that 
> a lot of 
> > scripts are probably being generated.  It would be nice if 
> sharing of 
> > these scripts was better facilitated.  Providing a 
> description of how you want this handled on the unattended 
> web site would be great.
> 
> I'm not sure how this would best be handled. I assume that 
> the mailing list works well enough to not warrant any new 
> infrastructure. 

I can also volunteer bandwidth/server space for keeping these if it is
deemed necessary to store them in another way.  I work on a college campus
and we have plenty of "room" for this kind of thing. ;)

> I have been working on a "how to build unattended scripts" 
> faq, its still a work in progress. 

Jeff, I took a look at your example script ... Very nice!


Don


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RE: [Unattended] OT: NT4 Tape Driver

2004-06-16 Thread Don Morrison
Michael,

I had this same problem [NT4.0 + Exchange 5.5] and ended up writing a script
that would shut-down the Exchange services every night (in the correct
order), backup the Exchange store files, then restart the services (in the
correct order).  It was the only way I was able to workout solid backups
without putting a tape drive in that box.

Don 

> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Kahle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 12:47 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Unattended] OT: NT4 Tape Driver
> 
> This is off topic to unattended, but I thought you guys might 
> have some ideas.  I have a NT4.0 server that is running MS 
> Exchange 5.5.  I have started backing up all the servers in 
> my environment using Rsync.  This works great, but there is 
> one more piece of the puzzle remaining.  I need to backup my 
> Exchange 5.5 database using the msbackup.exe utility.  The 
> only problem is that the msbackup.exe utility requires a tape 
> device to write to.
> :(  What I am hoping is that someone knows of a driver that I 
> could install on the NT4 server that would "look" like a tape 
> device that is configurable to write to the disk somewhere.  
> That way, I could use msbackup.exe to write to this "tape" 
> device and then Rsync could once a day grab this file off of 
> the server.
> 
> I would love to hear of a solution for this.  Thanks.
> 
> Michael
> 
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[Unattended] RE: mozilla 1.7.1 update

2004-07-14 Thread Don Morrison
Steven -

I was looking at FireFox yesterday and it doesn't look like the same
installer.  I think the FireFox installer is just a nice way of
uncompressing the files into directories (the way you had to install
previous versions) -- I couldn't find anything about getting it to run
silently.  There are some posts on the mozillazine.org site about it.  I
would be willing to help out if needed.

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: Steven Piercy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 4:08 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: mozilla 1.7.1 update
> 
> ok - SF bounced my bat file attachment, so just grab the text below
> 
> here is a slightly modified version of the mozilla.bat - for
> mozilla1.7.1  (cause of a security flaw:
> http://www.mozilla.org/security/shell.html ;) - just figured 
> it wasn't enough to require a patch.
> 
> anyway here it is (i know... why brag about a total of 8 
> changed characters - well, its been a few weeks and nobody 
> else updated the cvs)
> - I'll attach a copy too
> 
> note: I don't see a bat for firefox or thunderbird on the cvs 
> either (likely the same install syntax) - want me to add em? 
> or just be shellfish?
> I use firefox myself... nice and no IE holes... no Opera 
> ads... just me and a nice fast browser :-)
> 
> 
> 
> :: OPTIONAL: Install Mozilla
> ::
> URL|ALL|http://ftp.mozilla.org/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.7.1/m
> ozilla-win
> URL|ALL|32-1.7.1-installer.exe|packages/mozilla-win32-1.7.1-in
> staller.ex
> URL|ALL|e
> 
> @Echo off
> todo.pl "%Z%\packages\mozilla-win32-1.7.1-installer.exe -ma -ira"
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [Unattended] RE: mozilla 1.7.1 update

2004-07-14 Thread Don Morrison
I spent a good deal of time fighting with this one tonight.  I saw that bug
Paul, and read up some on some other sites.  Seems that folks are
repackaging this until the installer is fixed.  I was able to get it to run
almost completely silent.

* Download the installer package
* Start the installation
* Let it hang on the first screen
* Grab the setup directory from my temp folder
* Cancel the installation
* Push that directory out to packages
* Edit the config.ini in several places
  - to silence the install location screen and the download screen
* Run setup.exe with the -ma -ira switches
* You get install progress screen but it doesn't require input
* Left with only the "Installation Finished" screen, wanting a click on
"Finish"

I attempted to comment out the section that displays the finish screen but
the install just sits there.  Frustrating but they seem to have escalated it
for the 1.0 release of FireFox.  At this point you could AutoIt I guess.
Just one click.  If anyone is interested I can put that together with my
edited config.ini and post them.

Don


> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Baumgardner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 6:37 PM
> To: Don Morrison; 'Steven Piercy'
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Unattended] RE: mozilla 1.7.1 update
> 
> The -ma -ira switches don't seem to work.  The installer just 
> sits there asking where you'd like to install Firefox.  None 
> of the buttons are responsive except the Cancel button.
> 
> I found there was a bug filed for this issue:
> 
> http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=229706
> 
> -paul
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Don Morrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 01:11 AM
> > To: ''Steven Piercy''
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [Unattended] RE: mozilla 1.7.1 update
> > 
> > Steven -
> > 
> > I was looking at FireFox yesterday and it doesn't look like 
> the same 
> > installer.  I think the FireFox installer is just a nice way of 
> > uncompressing the files into directories (the way you had 
> to install 
> > previous versions) -- I couldn't find anything about 
> getting it to run 
> > silently.  There are some posts on the mozillazine.org site 
> about it.  
> > I would be willing to help out if needed.
> > 
> > Don
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Steven Piercy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 4:08 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: mozilla 1.7.1 update
> > > 
> > > ok - SF bounced my bat file attachment, so just grab the 
> text below
> > > 
> > > here is a slightly modified version of the mozilla.bat - for
> > > mozilla1.7.1  (cause of a security flaw:
> > > http://www.mozilla.org/security/shell.html ;) - just figured it 
> > > wasn't enough to require a patch.
> > > 
> > > anyway here it is (i know... why brag about a total of 8 changed 
> > > characters - well, its been a few weeks and nobody else 
> updated the 
> > > cvs)
> > > - I'll attach a copy too
> > > 
> > > note: I don't see a bat for firefox or thunderbird on the 
> cvs either 
> > > (likely the same install syntax) - want me to add em?
> > > or just be shellfish?
> > > I use firefox myself... nice and no IE holes... no Opera 
> ads... just 
> > > me and a nice fast browser :-)
> > > 
> > > 
> 
> > > 
> > > :: OPTIONAL: Install Mozilla
> > > ::
> > > URL|ALL|http://ftp.mozilla.org/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.7.1/m
> > > ozilla-win
> > > URL|ALL|32-1.7.1-installer.exe|packages/mozilla-win32-1.7.1-in
> > > staller.ex
> > > URL|ALL|e
> > > 
> > > @Echo off
> > > todo.pl "%Z%\packages\mozilla-win32-1.7.1-installer.exe -ma -ira"
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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[Unattended] Mozilla FireFox 0.92 Install

2004-07-15 Thread Don Morrison
I have this working well enough for my use and thought I would share.  No
matter what combination of flags and settings I couldn't get the setup to
complete with out the Installation Successful screen.  I *was* able to get
rid of the Install Path and Downloading dialogs.  So with a sprinkle of
AutoIt it is good enough for jazz.  ;)

To get 0.92 to play nice you have to edit the config.ini file once you have
extracted the setup files.  I edited it in 2 places:

[Dialog Select Install Path]
Show Dialog=FALSE

[Dialog Downloading]
Show Dialog=FALSE

Then used the attached AutoIt script to run the setup with the -ma -ira
switches. (I also attached the .bat file, renamed to .txt)  I extracted the
setup files to the packages\firefox092 directory.

Let me know if this bails on anyone.
Don

:: OPTIONAL: Install FireFox 0.92
@Echo off

:: 
URL|ALL|http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/0.9.2/FirefoxSetup-0.9.2.exe

:: Install FireFox 0.92 - with a little help from AutoIt
todo.pl "AutoIt %Z%\scripts\firefox092.aut"

firefox092.aut
Description: Binary data


RE: [Unattended] RE: mozilla 1.7.1 update

2004-07-15 Thread Don Morrison
Steffan,

I personally haven't had experience with rolling out Mozilla -- but from
what I have seen of FireFox there may be some settings in the setup or some
registry magic that can be worked.  I am trying to finish up a little
upgrade project and then will have some time to play.  Should be a week or
so from now.

Don 

> -Original Message-
> From: Steffen Kaiser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 11:38 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Unattended] RE: mozilla 1.7.1 update
> 
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Don Morrison wrote:
> 
> > for the 1.0 release of FireFox.  At this point you could 
> AutoIt I guess.
> > Just one click.  If anyone is interested I can put that 
> together with 
> > my edited config.ini and post them.
> 
> I would be very interested.
> 
> BTW: Is there a doc about how to change the default values of 
> the created profiles? I ask about this topic in some 
> Mozilla-near lists, but got the answer to "try" the CCK - but 
> I found none working and got no pointers to it. I found how 
> to change the "prefs.js"-aware settings (e.g. LDAP, proxies, 
> cache dir), but I'm missing home page and mail settings, for instance.
> 
> And is there a way to change the default path of the default 
> profile from %USERPROFILEPATH% to, say, "H:\Mozilla"?
> 
> Bye,
> 
> -- 
> 
> Steffen Kaiser
> 
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RE: [Unattended] palm desktop install

2004-09-16 Thread Don Morrison
Julien,

I haven't done much automating this, but what I remember reading was that
the install had to be done for every user, and that you wanted that to
reside in C:\Program Files\Path\To\Palm\%username%

I had some luck manually installing it this way so it may help.  Then again
maybe not.  Good luck.

Don 

> -Original Message-
> From: Julien TOUCHE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 2:01 AM
> To: Unattended List
> Subject: Re: [Unattended] palm desktop install
> 
> Eugene Kotlyarov a écrit :
> 
> > Julien TOUCHE wrote:
> > 
> >> i'm trying to install palm desktop on multi-users windows 
> but get the 
> >> problem than "by default" palm desktop is one-user only ...
> >> with appdeploy, i create the following scripts, but could not 
> >> identify all reg of HKEY_CURRENT_USER and other stuff i need to 
> >> migrate to HKEY_USERS/.DEFAULT or some other place.
> > 
> > It's rather strange but it is under
> > HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\U.S. Robotics\Pilot Desktop
> not only that
> also
> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\U.S. Robotics\Palm Quick Install 
> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Palm and some 
> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\.pdb
> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\.pnc
> and so on
> 
> but exporting these only in HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT is not 
> sufficient to make it work or maybe it must be done 
> individually ... (sic)
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
>   Julien
> 
> 
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RE: [Unattended] Install Samba Shared printer

2004-10-06 Thread Don Morrison
Justin,

I have a script that uses a basic xml file to store the resources for our
network.  Then a login script parses that file and maps the drives or
printers for the user.  The code could easily be modified to make the
mappings permanent instead of the expectation that they run each time.  You
will notice that the xml has shares as well as printers and has an attribute
called groups -- this lets the script selectively map the resource based on
NT Group.

A sample xml looks like this:


   
   

  
 
  

  
 
  

  



  

   


If you are interested I can send on a working example.  The code is broken
up into functions intended to be used by a higher-level script, but I think
I can throw something together.  I don't have the concept of domain
selection as my script assumes that these users are logging in to my domain
- otherwise they wouldn't be getting this login script.  :)

Let me know.
Don

> -Original Message-
> From: Justin Beckley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 11:02 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Unattended] Install Samba Shared printer
> 
> Sorry for the long delay in a response, but I have been busy 
> trying to get this thing figured out.  This script will not 
> be run every time a user logs on.  Instead there will be a 
> printer icon on the Desktop that says "Enable Printing" or 
> something.  Only after the user double-clicks that icon will 
> this script get executed.  This prevents everyone from 
> hitting the samba server every time they login.
> 
> Here's what I came up with so far, and a brief description of 
> the coming revision.  This script supposes that the 
> printer(s) you are mapping to are installed on the computer 
> on ports LPT[x-y].  I will add in some logic to read this 
> information from a file that I will keep in C:\NETINST\ 
> printers.txt.  Basically for every printer that gets 
> installed on the computer a line in the "printers.txt" file 
> will look like this:
> 
> LPTx \\print-server\printer
> LPTy \\print-server\printer1
> 
> The script would read that file and map the printers that are 
> listed in that file.  Right now that doesn't happen, but that 
> is where this script is headed.  School keeps getting in the 
> way... something about an education, I don't know.
> 
> Right now it just installs one printer that is specified in 
> the script, but here it is if anyone is interested in what we 
> are currently working on.  The explanation follows.
> 
> REM Lines that begin with REM are ignored REM This script 
> will prompt users for their name and passwords REM so that 
> they can map network printers
> 
> REM Create some Objects to use for our networking and 
> password stuff Dim net Set net = 
> CreateObject("WScript.Network") Set oScriptPW = 
> CreateObject("ScriptPW.Password") Set nUser = 
> WScript.CreateObject("Wscript.Network")
> 
> REM Grab out Domain name and username from our objects Domain 
> = nUser.UserDomain UserName = nUser.UserName
> 
> REM Check to see if the user is already logged into our 
> domain REM If they are in the proper domain, dont do anthing 
> but if they REM have logged in locally, give them an inputbox 
> for their username if Domain = "my_domain" Then else UserName 
> = InputBox("Please enter your domain user name", "Domain 
> Username","",100,100) end if
> 
> REM WScript.StdOut.WriteLine vbCrLf & "Your username is " & 
> UserName REM This appears on the command line since VBScript 
> cannot mask input REM in our input box. It asks for the 
> password, and allows you to type REM it in, but nothing is 
> echoed out WScript.StdOut.Write "Type password and press the 
> Enter key: "
> strPasswd = oScriptPW.GetPassword()
> 
> REM Create us a new shell object for mapping the printers REM 
> This should be able to work on our existing objects, but REM 
> I would recieve errors and stuff. Ill look into debugging REM 
> those later Set WshShell = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
> 
> REM Specify our command to run
> strCommand = "net use LPT2: \\print-server\printer "
> 
> REM Run our command
> Set oScriptExec = WshShell.Exec(strCommand & "/USER:" & 
> UserName & " " &
> strPasswd)
> 
> REM Assign the output that went to stdout to a var strOutput 
> = oScriptExec.Stdout.ReadAll REM Wait .5 sec
> WScript.Sleep(500)
> REM Newline
> WScript.Echo
> REM print out our results
> WScript.Echo strOutput
> REM blank line
> WScript.Echo
> WScript.Sleep(2500)
> 
> 
> The script will create a popup box that asks for thier domain 
> user name if they are not logged into our domain.  Next it 
> drops to a command line to ask for your password because 
> VBscript cannot hide entries in a popup input box.  After it 
> gets a username/password it executes  whatever command you 
> tell it.  Ours still needs some modification, but this is the 
> guts.  The last few lines print out the output of the command 
> that was executed.  I will be

RE: [Unattended] OK, couple of new problems/questions

2004-12-03 Thread Don Morrison
Scott,

I had a similar problem and found that my admin password wasn't compatible
with the linux install method -- when I used a simpler password everything
worked.  I didn't spend too much time working on the problem but I assumed
that the samba client must not have liked it.  Now, months later I have
found that windows doesn't like that password sometimes either -- eh, no
worries.  Anyway, check if there may be some 'weird' characters in your
password and test it with something simple.  All this assumes that you have
put the data into your unattend.txt correctly:

[GuiUnattended]
AdminPassword=YOURPASS

[Identification]
JoinDomain="YOURDOMAIN"
DomainAdmin="YOURDOMAIN\someaccount"
DomainAdminPassword="somepass"

Good luck.
Don

-Original Message-
From: Scott Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:02 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Unattended] OK, couple of new problems/questions

I have gotten everything working for the windowsXPsp2 install using the
linuxboot method and it works great, I have the unattend.txt file setup like
I would like. Only two questions, or maybe they would be problems, I put the
administrator password in the unattend.txt file but it still asks for it and
if I do not enter anything then it is blank when the machine finishes the
install, I am assuming this is a problem with something not picking up the
adminpassword from the unattend.txt or some such.  The second is a question,
what file do I put the "//server/folder" (//ntinstall/install change) and
the userid and password so that I do not have to enter them all the time,
remember I am using the linuxboot method.

Thanks for the great program and the help.

Scott Adams
Computer Network Instructor
SEARK College
Pine Bluff, Arkansas


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RE: [Unattended] How much is a multiuser license for XP pro ?

2005-01-25 Thread Don Morrison
Felipe,

Windows XP pricing differs greatly from organization to organization.  For
instance, I am on the University of Nevada, Reno (USA) campus and we pay
less then $50/year for each full-time equivalent employee (FTE).  This
covers operating system and Microsoft Office licenses for all my users and
my lab machines -- this is known as our Campus Agreement.  I have heard or
other names but your best source for this information is at the Microsoft
site.  http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/default.mspx

Hope this helps out.  Good luck.
Don

-Original Message-
From: Felipe Navarrete [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:54 AM
To: unattended-info@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [Unattended] How much is a multiuser license for XP pro ?

How much is a multiuser license for XP pro ?
Anybody know ?

--
Felipe Navarrete




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RE: [Unattended] Re: Problem after first reboot

2005-02-01 Thread Don Morrison
Mike,

I tested the install of win2ksp4 yesterday and had the problem you describe.
In looking at the archives I found some people were having some issues last
part of 2004.  One of the suggestions was to follow the directions in
..packages/ie6sp1/README.txt:

"This directory holds the install files for Internet Explorer
v6 Service Pack 1.  You need to download it from Microsoft
and then run:

ie6setup.exe /c:"ie6wzd.exe /d /s:""#E"

You might also need to modify the script in install/scripts/
to install it."

I performed these steps and they seemed to solve the problem with todo.pl
not running after ie6sp1 setup.

However, I am now having the issue with the ie6 security warning dialogs
coming up.  Twice.  I love my job.  :)

Don 
 



From: Rampanelli Michael J [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:32 AM
To: unattended-info@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [Unattended] Re: Problem after first reboot


Ok, I figured out a work-around for this problem.  I modified todo.pl so
that instead of writing to the registry to start itself on a reboot, it
copies a batch file to C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start
Menu\Programs\Startup.  The batch file simply calls c:\netinst\mapZnrun.bat
z:\bin\todo.pl --go.  Putting this batch file there seems to be more
reliable than using the registry to autorun things.  Any chance this could
get incorporated into Unattended?
 
Mike
 

=== 
I"m using Unattended v4.6 to install Windows 2000 Server SP4 and some
 other things.  
  
 Here"s the problem.  Windows installs without a problem.  Perl installs
 fine.  Base.bat kicks in and starts running Win2ksp4-updates.  The first
 update which requires a reboot comes (I believe it is IE6).   Windows
 reboots, but when it boots up, todo.pl doesn"t keep installing things.
 I checked the c-drive and there are still lots of items in the todo.txt.
 I checked the registry and Windows is set to run "mapznrun.bat todo.pl
 --go" but for some reason it doesn"t run it.  The computer auto logged
 in correctly.  If I reboot the computer or log off and back on, it takes
 off again without any further problems (even rebooting correctly).  I
 thought maybe it had something to do with an update that it was trying
 to install, so I commented out the Win2kSP4-updates in the base.bat.
 The same thing happened - after the first reboot, windows doesn"t run
 the command to kick things off again.  I"ve tried it on a different
 computer and the same thing happens.  Has anyone had this happen?  I
 don"t want to have to tell the users that they have to manually reboot
 after Windows is installed in order to finish installing the software.
  
 Mike


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RE: [Unattended] Sugestion or Request...

2005-02-15 Thread Don Morrison
Thirded? :P

I agree that the placement of the packages (and in my case, scripts also) is
not optimal.  I want to just ping the list with a thought and then I will
devote some more time to this later ... Beware ... May ramble a bit.

I would suggest that we use a site setting/variable so that we can each
determine the placement of our files.  It could be something that maps it
out for each package or just a %PKGIDPATH%.  I think it might be a little
hard to get consensus from everyone on where they should all live, as some
of us with few applications will want a simple/flat structure while others
will want to really break it up.  (I can see that this would get more
valuable as you need to support multiple versions of the same application,
or have fixed deployment 'images' for a specific department.) 

Having said that, I wouldn't want to break any stock functionality in
Unattended.  I could see us leaving things as they are -- so you use the
prepare script to get everything to start, then a rearrange to move it where
you want it ... The complication comes in wanting adobe_reader_package in
/packages/viewers/adobe/... And java in /packages/java/

Hmmm, perhaps this would work -->

Perhaps naming/versioning of packages.  So you would have something like:

:: Install Adobe Reader
:: PKGID|ADBERDR60
::
URL|ENU|http://somedownload.com|packages/adobereader/adberdr60_enu_full.exe

:: OPTIONAL: Install Sun Java Virtual Machine
:: PKGID|SUNJRE5_0_01
:: URL|ALL|http://javadownload.blah|packages/jre1.5.0_01.msi

In the batch files from Unattended and on your site you would have a setting
that says:

DEFAULT|packages/
ADBERDR60|packages/viewers/adobe/
SUNJRE5_0_01|packages/java/

It would add some overhead, but maybe not as much as I am thinking.  If
there were a front-end for this it would be even better, but we are already
stringing together an ungodly amount of scripts to get this truly marvelous
software to work.

I would like to see something like this personally.  Instead of agreeing
where everything should be, let's just agree how everything should be named
and we should be good to go.  In fact, the information could be added
without a *huge* change .. I think.  Heck, given the format above the
prepare script could attempt to find the PKGIDPATH and if there isn't an
entry then it would fallback to default.  Yeah, I can see that working.

On a side note: This addresses the package storage area, but not really the
script storage issues that may arise, Of course, that may bring forth
thoughts of an index of packages & scripts rather than storing it all with
the install directives.  (Although, I am a big fan of atomic configuration
information -- i.e., each install knows what it needs to be performed.)

Thoughts?

Don Morrison

-Original Message-
From: Michael Kahle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:50 PM
To: Unattended List
Subject: [Unattended] Sugestion or Request...

Would it be possible to remove all software from the root of the
unattended/install/packages directory and instead move them to a folder
within the packages directory?

I am not trying to make noise here, but thought that others might have a
similar experience/desire as I do.  I not only use unattended for
"unattended" installations, but also as my software repository on the
network.  If someone wants a particular piece of software installed I simply
map a drive to the unattended server browse to packages and manually install
the package I want.  I also store additional information in the directory
with the package, like documentation on how to do the manual install or
pdf's on how to use the software for other peoples reference.

For example, when running the prepare script it places the java jre in the
root of the packages directory.  I move the install to a folder called
"java" and then put my documentation in the directory with the installer.  I
then go to the scripts directory and modify the script that installs it to
reflect the path to where the software resides.  Now when I update the
scripts from CVS with the "script-update" bash script, it overwrites my
changes and I have to update it all over again.  I realize that I can
exclude whichever files I want to so that I don't break compatibility, but
this is not entirely convenient.

I guess what I am suggesting is some standard structure that we could use
with unattended that would clean up the packages and updates directory that
makes better sense.  Perhaps even separating the packages sub directories
into something like:
/unattended/
/packages/
/commercial
/office2003
/notes
/java
/opensource
/openoffice
/pdfcreator
/freeware
/winimage
/winzip
/updates
/ie6sp1
/directx9

Humm... Looking at the 

RE: [Unattended] File copy fails

2005-02-23 Thread Don Morrison
Heather / Tony:

A quick look through the MS KB gets me this article:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;884675

Does this look like the same problem?  I have been able to install from my
unattended without problem so I haven't seen the error.  Also, these seem to
be related to SP installations but may give you some hints ...

Don

-Original Message-
From: Heather Coors [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 1:56 PM
To: unattended-info@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: RE: [Unattended] File copy fails

If anyone else has any suggestions or a fix please let me  know as well.

Thanks
Heather

Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:32:51 -0800

Tony,
I just started using Unattended last week. I was able to get my first
workstation up and running with no problems. Then I tried my second
workstation and bam I got the atapi.sys unable to copy error as well. I saw
you posted on the mailing list you had that issue. Were you able to get it
resolved?


Thanks




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RE: [Unattended] unattend.csv

2005-03-04 Thread Don Morrison
Kaari -

Have you renamed sample-config.pl to config.pl?  From what I remember you
need to do that to enable the usage of the .csv files.

Don 

-Original Message-
From: Kaari Jakobi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 2:40 AM
To: unattended-info@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [Unattended] unattend.csv

Hi,

I am trying to get the unattend.csv to run, but I can't figure out for the
life of me how to supply the Windows 2000 ProductID.

I have added a line in unattend.csv for the mac address of the computer, but
the script won't pick up the line. The line looks like this:
"mac","Windows 2000 Professional ProductID",""

According to some past mails the property is the same as the menu entry,
when selecting which OS to install. This would be "Windows 2000
Professional- SP4-CD". I tried this value (without the "CD" string as
documented in the script) as property, but had no luck either. Can anybody
give me a little hint?

Best regards,
Kaari


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RE: [Unattended] Never mind; continue about your daily business ( was biosinfo.txt not found when using unattended with XPSP2 integrated M V LS)

2005-09-16 Thread Don Morrison
Chris,

That last comment from Moritz is how I did it -->  

"Under Windows you can use WinIso or similar... 
it works!
regards, Moritz"

I just opened the linux boot iso with WinIso, extracted the cfg file, edited
the parameters, and put it back.  Relatively painless.  I have a local
install account and the unattended CD is the only 'one' that uses it to
connect to the deployment server.  Pretty much what you described and it may
have taken 10 minutes including download time.

I can see that you are frustrated and I agree with most of your points but
it doesn't seem productive to get on the list and hammer the guys doing the
work for their coding style.  Anytime you go to another dev team they have
their own way of doing things - you shouldn't barge in and tell them they
are wrong.  Before you get hotter ... I agree with most of your points and
Pat has talked about some work on the file layout (there are a bunch of
posts on the list about this) but it turns out that in most shops once you
have a working setup you aren't given the time to fine-tune like we would
all like.

I have gained literally hundreds of hours by using this offering and I can
say it took me a little while to get "my head around it" but it has been
well worth it.   

If you want to talk to me, openly, about the problems and frustrations and
perhaps get some insight into my use model I would be happy to give you a
call.  Just let me know.

Don Morrison
Technology Department Manager 
The National Judicial College
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


> Yes, Ryan, thank you, I do understand what mkisofs -quiet -o 
> linuxboot.iso -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat 
> -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size
> 4 -boot-info-table iso does.  I have hacked Dreamcast 
> bin/cues before.  My point is that hunting through 
> z:\linuxboot\Makefile for the mkisofs parameters and 
> obtaining a copy of mkisofs that works on XP and going 
> through a *rebuild*[1] of the iso is more work than it should 
> be in order to change three tiny yet critical parameter 
> defaults that are extremely unlikely to be acceptable at a 
> real Windows production site.
> 
> But whatever.  I'll concede that making the change to the 
> Linux boot CD is unlikely to happen more than once for a 
> production site, so this amount of work is negligible in the 
> long run.  Are you willing to concede the scripts are largely 
> unintelligible as written?
> 
> > The filesystem in the CD is not like your regular filesystem. 
> > You can't just replace/edit the files in place and expect 
> it to still 
> > work.
> 
> Funny.  If I make a multi-session bootable Windows XP CD, I 
> can rewrite \i386\winnt.sif to my heart's content.
> 
> Chris Doherty
> Helpdesk Analyst
> Crompton Co./Cie a Chemtura Company
> Elmira: (519) 669-1671 x319
> 
> 
> [1] What would you call creating a bootable ISO9660 image 
> from source files, a second time?  I call it a rebuild.
 


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