Re: Lion & Xcode 3.2.6

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Terry,

Yes, it is possible that the app store can't distinguish a dev preview and the 
golden master. Downloading Lion directly from your Apple dev account is the 
right thing to do.

I have no trouble building standalones for iOS with XCode 4. It may be 
unspupported but it works.

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On 21 jul 2011, at 06:45, Terry Vogelaar wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> Is anyone experiencing this same problem with Lion?
> 
> I cannot save a stack as a standalone for iOS anymore since upgrading to 
> Lion. When I go to the preferences and go under Mobile Support and choose 
> 'Location of developer root for iOS 3.2 and above', it says '/Developer' like 
> it should. When I browse to reselect it, it says: 'The chosen folder is not a 
> valid iOS SDK for 3.2 and later. It must be the one that ships with XCode 
> 3.2.4 or later.'
> 
> I also tried installing Xcode 4.1 for Lion, which is the preferred version 
> for Lion, but that is not supported by RunRev (yet).
> 
> I'm on Developer Preview 4 of Lion. I wanted to upgrade yesterday, but I 
> couldn't, because it is 'Already installed' according to the App Store. So I 
> will download it at work and bring it here on an USB stick. Hopefully this 
> resolves these issues.
> 
> Terry



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Re: Lion & Xcode 3.2.6

[Gerry Orkin]

4.0? It's broken in 4.1 for me.

Gerry


On 21/07/2011, at 7:12 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> I have no trouble building standalones for iOS with XCode 4. It may be 
> unspupported but it works.

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save formatted text in a file

[martin meili]

Hi
How can I avoid loosing the formatting of a text, if I save this text to a file?

I usually save text in a file as follows:

open file the_path_Var for write
write TextVar to file the_path_Var  ---TextVar contains the formatted text of a 
textfield; in the clipboard it can be seen as formatted text
close file the_path_Var

Thanks for any replies!

Cheers
Martin
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Re: Lion & Xcode 3.2.6

[Mark Schonewille]

Oh, I see, Gerry, I am using XCode 4.0.2 at the moment. 

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On 21 jul 2011, at 11:47, Gerry Orkin wrote:

> 4.0? It's broken in 4.1 for me.
> 
> Gerry
> 
> 
> On 21/07/2011, at 7:12 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> 
>> I have no trouble building standalones for iOS with XCode 4. It may be 
>> unspupported but it works.


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Re: save formatted text in a file

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Martin,

What do you want to do with your text? If you want to use it in a text editor, 
then it is often useful to keep unformatted text. If you want to import 
formatted text into Word or Pages, you could use the rtfText property.

put the rtfText of field "Some Field" into myData
open file myPath for binary write
write myData to file myPath
close file myPath

Make sure to use binary write. Btw you probably will want to use the .rtf file 
extension instead of .txt.

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On 21 jul 2011, at 11:50, martin meili wrote:

> Hi
> How can I avoid loosing the formatting of a text, if I save this text to a 
> file?
> 
> I usually save text in a file as follows:
> 
> open file the_path_Var for write
> write TextVar to file the_path_Var  ---TextVar contains the formatted text of 
> a textfield; in the clipboard it can be seen as formatted text
> close file the_path_Var
> 
> Thanks for any replies!
> 
> Cheers
> Martin


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Re: Countdown HH:MM:SS

[James Hurley]

> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 15:19:07 -0400
> From: Roger Eller 
> To: How to use LiveCode 
> Subject: Re: Countdown HH:MM:SS
> Message-ID:
>   
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
> 
>>> Using the dateItems is definitely the right direction, but my objective
>> is
>>> to count backwards from for example; 2 hours, 45 minutes, and 59 seconds
>>> while updating the display field every second.  When the countdown
>> reaches
>>> 00:00:00, I would play a sound of do other actions.
>> 
>> Sorry about that... this will work if you just want to count down from a
>> fixed amount of time:
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>> DoCountDown "2:45:59"
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> on DoCountDown pTime
>> convert pTime to seconds
>> subtract 1 from pTime
>>  convert pTime to dateItems
>> split pTime by ","
>>  put format("%02d:%02d:%02d",pTime[4],pTime[5],pTime[6]) into tNewTime
>> put tNewTime into fld "Time"
>> if tNewTime = "00:00:00" then
>>   TimesUp
>> else
>>   send "DoCountDown tNewTime" to me in 1 second
>> end if
>> end DoCountDown
>> 
>> on TimesUp
>> answer "Done"
>> end TimesUp
>> 
>> Ken Ray
>> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
>> Email: k...@sonsothunder.com
>> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>> 
>> 
> With only a few tweaks like handling a cancel/reset request, this script
> does what I need. James' was almost the one, but the time wasn't starting
> from a pre-set amount of time such as 1 hour, etc.  Thanks to everyone that
> contributed!
> 
> ~Roger
> 


Roger,

Good decision. Ken's solution is MUCH cleaner.

Jim Hurley



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Re: Lion & Xcode 3.2.6

[Gerry Orkin]

I wonder if I can downgrade?

g


On 21/07/2011, at 8:08 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Oh, I see, Gerry, I am using XCode 4.0.2 at the moment. 
> 


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Re: Lion & Xcode 3.2.6

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi,

It is possible to use mutliple versions of XCode next to each other, but XCode 
seems to stop working at some point, while you keep upgrading to newer system 
versions. You should be able to install multiple SDK's though. If you're lucky, 
you're only missing an older SDK and will be able to use LC for iOS again after 
installing that SDK. I think there are a few support documents on Apple's site 
about it.

What error do you see exactly, when you try to build a standalone for iOS?
 
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On 21 jul 2011, at 12:32, Gerry Orkin wrote:

> I wonder if I can downgrade?
> 
> g
> 
> 
> On 21/07/2011, at 8:08 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> 
>> Oh, I see, Gerry, I am using XCode 4.0.2 at the moment. 



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Re: Lion & Xcode 3.2.6

[Gerry Orkin]

Mark

Sorry, I have been asking about this on a couple of lists, and lost track of 
where the conversation was up to here…my problem is in getting the simulator 
running. I can save iOS standalones, but I can't test them. 

The Test button works but gives me the error "Unknown deployment platform" when 
I click it. The Test and Test Target menu items are disabled. I'm running the 
4.6.3 GM of LC and xCode 4.1 (4.0.1 refused to open in Lion).

Cheers

Gerry


On 21/07/2011, at 8:48 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> What error do you see exactly, when you try to build a standalone for iOS?

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on-Rev client software

[Len Morgan]

I've been one of "founders" with on-rev since the offer was first made 
but haven't really had the time to get into it until now.  I've had web 
sites there but never used Livecode to make them.  Now is the time.


Has runRev ever released an update to the "on-rev" desktop client?  If 
so, where can I find it.  Also, is there ANY kind of tutorial, manual, 
web page, cave painting, that I can read that will explain how to use it?


Thanks!

len

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Re: Lion & Xcode 3.2.6

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Gerry,

Usually, that error appears if you haven't selected a platform in the 
standalone builder. It probably means that XCode isn't even involved yet. If 
the error still occurs after selecting the iOS platform in the standalone 
builder, try an older version of LiveCode (4.6.1).

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On 21 jul 2011, at 13:30, Gerry Orkin wrote:

> Mark
> 
> Sorry, I have been asking about this on a couple of lists, and lost track of 
> where the conversation was up to here…my problem is in getting the simulator 
> running. I can save iOS standalones, but I can't test them. 
> 
> The Test button works but gives me the error "Unknown deployment platform" 
> when I click it. The Test and Test Target menu items are disabled. I'm 
> running the 4.6.3 GM of LC and xCode 4.1 (4.0.1 refused to open in Lion).
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Gerry


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Re: Lion & Xcode 3.2.6

[Gerry Orkin]

Mark, the error is occurring with 4.6.1, 4.6.2 and 4.6.3. In each case I made 
sure that the target platform was selected in the standalone settings.

Cheers

Gerry


On 21/07/2011, at 9:38 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Usually, that error appears if you haven't selected a platform in the 
> standalone builder. It probably means that XCode isn't even involved yet. If 
> the error still occurs after selecting the iOS platform in the standalone 
> builder, try an older version of LiveCode (4.6.1).

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Re: [ANN] New plugin AAG|Workspaces

[John Craig]

Silly??  Sounds like a useful tool - I'm off to give it a go - ta!



On 20/07/2011 22:47, Andre Garzia wrote:

Folks,

I've just launched a little plugin. I've used it since forever, hope you
guys find it useful.

Check out at http://andregarzia.com/page/aagworkspaces

Basically it allows you to create "workspaces". Each workspace is a
collection of URLs and Files (that can be stacks) that are open when you are
in that workspace, so when you switch projects, instead of loosing a lot of
time reopening pages and files, you can simply select the workspace in there
and all the files and URLs will open. It sounds silly but it is handy.

:-)



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Re: [ANN] New plugin AAG|Workspaces

[Andre Garzia]

Thanks folks!

Please give me feedback when you run it. I haven't tried this on other
machines... :-)

Cheers
andre

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 9:57 AM, John Craig  wrote:

> Silly??  Sounds like a useful tool - I'm off to give it a go - ta!
>
>
>
>
> On 20/07/2011 22:47, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I've just launched a little plugin. I've used it since forever, hope you
>> guys find it useful.
>>
>> Check out at 
>> http://andregarzia.com/page/**aagworkspaces
>>
>> Basically it allows you to create "workspaces". Each workspace is a
>> collection of URLs and Files (that can be stacks) that are open when you
>> are
>> in that workspace, so when you switch projects, instead of loosing a lot
>> of
>> time reopening pages and files, you can simply select the workspace in
>> there
>> and all the files and URLs will open. It sounds silly but it is handy.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>
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Re: on-Rev client software

[Mark Wieder]

Len-

Thursday, July 21, 2011, 4:34:44 AM, you wrote:

> I've been one of "founders" with on-rev since the offer was first made
> but haven't really had the time to get into it until now.  I've had web
> sites there but never used Livecode to make them.  Now is the time.

You might want to wait a bit until they update the server to the newly
released LC server instead. No sense diving into things and then
having them all break shortly thereafter.

> Has runRev ever released an update to the "on-rev" desktop client?

No.

> Also, is there ANY kind of tutorial, manual, web page, cave
> painting, that I can read that will explain how to use it?

No.

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Re: on-Rev client software

[J. Landman Gay]

On 7/21/11 6:34 AM, Len Morgan wrote:


Has runRev ever released an update to the "on-rev" desktop client? If
so, where can I find it. Also, is there ANY kind of tutorial, manual,
web page, cave painting, that I can read that will explain how to use it?


I'd love to see cave paintings. :) Yesterday RR released a dozen or so 
lessons on the new server product. If you go to the Lessons area of the 
web site and do a search for "server" you'll probably turn up most of them.


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[ANN] stsProgBar DropTool 1.2 - Now with support for Lion!

[Ken Ray]

Hey all! With Apple releasing Lion yesterday, they changed the look and feel of 
virtually every control in the OS, including the "intermediate progress bar" 
(barber pole). This is why I've upgraded stsProgBar to 1.2 to support the new 
Lion interface; if you're interested you can get more info at this page:

http://droptools.sonsothunder.com/products/sts/sts-pb.irev

(NOTE: Those that have already purchased stsProgBar 1.1 have been sent free 
upgrades to 1.2; if you're reading this before you get the email from me, just 
hang tight and it will be in your inbox shortly.)

Ken Ray
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Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Pete Haworth]

I think the info I got meant they stopped selling it, not supporting it.  It
seemed strange to me also, that's why I was asking if anyone had run into
this.  I'm already on Snow Leopard so not a problem for me.
Pete

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Andre Garzia  wrote:

> Apple would not discontinue snow leopard, they support OSes for a long
> time...
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Pete  wrote:
>
> > I was just told the following about Lion:
> >
> > 1) It will only install correctly if you are on the very latest version
> of
> > Snow Leopard (10.6.8)
> > 2) Apple have discontinued Snow Leopard
> >
> > If that is true and you don't already have Snow Leopard installed, seems
> > like you're screwed.
> >
> > Can anyone confirm this?
> >
> > Pete
> > Molly's Revenge 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Pete  wrote:
> >
> > > I agree and look forward seeing the results of the work that some LC
> > > developers are doing on making the missing controls available.
> > > Pete
> > > Molly's Revenge 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Andre Garzia  > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Pete  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > There's been recent discussion of just how many OSX controls are not
> > >> > natively available in LC and Lion just seems to add to that list.
> >  Will
> > >> LC
> > >> > ever catch up?
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> LC is Carbon and has a lot of emulated stuff to make is
> cross-platform,
> > >> this
> > >> is a very hard race to win... :-)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Pete
> > >> > Molly's Revenge 
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Andre Garzia <
> an...@andregarzia.com
> > >> > >wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Richard Gaskin
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Andre wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >  I don't like lion or the new scrollbars... :-(
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > For better or worse, it seems those scrollbars are the wave of
> the
> > >> > > future:
> > >> > > >  > >> > > http://livecodejournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1307545265.586975>
> > >> > > > **>
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > What concerns me more about Lion is how auto-save is supposed to
> > >> work
> > >> > > with
> > >> > > > our apps
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I have no clue either... The new APIs are so Objective-C/Cocoa
> > >> specific,
> > >> > > using delegates and whatnot that I think it will be a tad hard for
> > our
> > >> > > little carbon engine to leverage on them.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > --
> > >> > > >  Richard Gaskin
> > >> > > >  Fourth World
> > >> > > >  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> > >> > > >  Webzine for LiveCode developers:
> http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> > >> > > >  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/**blog.irv<
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> > >> > > >
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Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Pete]

I think the info I got meant they stopped selling it, not supporting it.  It
seemed strange to me also, that's why I was asking if anyone had run into
this.  I'm already on Snow Leopard so not a problem for me.
Pete
Molly's Revenge 




On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Andre Garzia  wrote:

> Apple would not discontinue snow leopard, they support OSes for a long
> time...
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Pete  wrote:
>
> > I was just told the following about Lion:
> >
> > 1) It will only install correctly if you are on the very latest version
> of
> > Snow Leopard (10.6.8)
> > 2) Apple have discontinued Snow Leopard
> >
> > If that is true and you don't already have Snow Leopard installed, seems
> > like you're screwed.
> >
> > Can anyone confirm this?
> >
> > Pete
> > Molly's Revenge 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Pete  wrote:
> >
> > > I agree and look forward seeing the results of the work that some LC
> > > developers are doing on making the missing controls available.
> > > Pete
> > > Molly's Revenge 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Andre Garzia  > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Pete  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > There's been recent discussion of just how many OSX controls are not
> > >> > natively available in LC and Lion just seems to add to that list.
> >  Will
> > >> LC
> > >> > ever catch up?
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> LC is Carbon and has a lot of emulated stuff to make is
> cross-platform,
> > >> this
> > >> is a very hard race to win... :-)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Pete
> > >> > Molly's Revenge 
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Andre Garzia <
> an...@andregarzia.com
> > >> > >wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Richard Gaskin
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Andre wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >  I don't like lion or the new scrollbars... :-(
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >
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Re: [ANN] New plugin AAG|Workspaces

[Pete]

I don't know why but this reminded me of something I would love to see in
the script editor - split screen mode, kinda like you see in Word/Excel
where you can slide a bar part way up the editing window and each resulting
section of the window can be individually scrolled/edited.
Pete
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> Folks,
>
> I've just launched a little plugin. I've used it since forever, hope you
> guys find it useful.
>
> Check out at http://andregarzia.com/page/aagworkspaces
>
> Basically it allows you to create "workspaces". Each workspace is a
> collection of URLs and Files (that can be stacks) that are open when you
> are
> in that workspace, so when you switch projects, instead of loosing a lot of
> time reopening pages and files, you can simply select the workspace in
> there
> and all the files and URLs will open. It sounds silly but it is handy.
>
> :-)
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Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Judy Perry]

System 9 isn't easy to find, either...

Judy

On Thu, 21 Jul 2011, François Chaplais wrote:


when I learned that Lion requires snow leopard (which I do not have on all of 
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Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Bob Sneidar]

I have a copy if you need it. Actually, I still have 8.6. ;-)

Bob


On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Judy Perry wrote:

> System 9 isn't easy to find, either...
> 
> Judy
> 
> On Thu, 21 Jul 2011, François Chaplais wrote:
> 
>> when I learned that Lion requires snow leopard (which I do not have on all 
>> of my machines) I cautiously ordered a copy of snow. Hardest to find is 
>> System 7.x for my powermac 8500 ;)
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Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Judy Perry]

Actually, I do.  I have a couple of original iMacs I need to revive...  My 
office machine (a G3 blue & white tower) might actually be running 8.x; 
can't tell as they got rid of the monitor :-(


Judy

On Thu, 21 Jul 2011, Bob Sneidar wrote:


I have a copy if you need it. Actually, I still have 8.6. ;-)


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Re: [ANN] New plugin AAG|Workspaces

[Andre Garzia]

Someone can correct me but I think GLX2 can do that with even more than two
panes... (or it was constellation?)

:-)

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Pete  wrote:

> I don't know why but this reminded me of something I would love to see in
> the script editor - split screen mode, kinda like you see in Word/Excel
> where you can slide a bar part way up the editing window and each resulting
> section of the window can be individually scrolled/edited.
> Pete
> Molly's Revenge 
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Andre Garzia 
> wrote:
>
> > Folks,
> >
> > I've just launched a little plugin. I've used it since forever, hope you
> > guys find it useful.
> >
> > Check out at http://andregarzia.com/page/aagworkspaces
> >
> > Basically it allows you to create "workspaces". Each workspace is a
> > collection of URLs and Files (that can be stacks) that are open when you
> > are
> > in that workspace, so when you switch projects, instead of loosing a lot
> of
> > time reopening pages and files, you can simply select the workspace in
> > there
> > and all the files and URLs will open. It sounds silly but it is handy.
> >
> > :-)
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Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Bob Sneidar]

Let be burn you copies of what I have. Will .img files work for you?

Bob


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> Actually, I do.  I have a couple of original iMacs I need to revive...  My 
> office machine (a G3 blue & white tower) might actually be running 8.x; can't 
> tell as they got rid of the monitor :-(
> 
> Judy
> 
> On Thu, 21 Jul 2011, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>> I have a copy if you need it. Actually, I still have 8.6. ;-)
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Re: [ANN] New plugin AAG|Workspaces

[Pete Haworth]

Is GLX2 what became tRev... and then Remo?  I have tRev but have to admit I
haven't used it a lot but don;t remember seeing a split screen editing mode,
but then there's not much in the way of documentation for it.
Pete

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Someone can correct me but I think GLX2 can do that with even more than two
> panes... (or it was constellation?)
>
> :-)
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Pete  wrote:
>
> > I don't know why but this reminded me of something I would love to see in
> > the script editor - split screen mode, kinda like you see in Word/Excel
> > where you can slide a bar part way up the editing window and each
> resulting
> > section of the window can be individually scrolled/edited.
> > Pete
> > Molly's Revenge 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Andre Garzia 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > I've just launched a little plugin. I've used it since forever, hope
> you
> > > guys find it useful.
> > >
> > > Check out at http://andregarzia.com/page/aagworkspaces
> > >
> > > Basically it allows you to create "workspaces". Each workspace is a
> > > collection of URLs and Files (that can be stacks) that are open when
> you
> > > are
> > > in that workspace, so when you switch projects, instead of loosing a
> lot
> > of
> > > time reopening pages and files, you can simply select the workspace in
> > > there
> > > and all the files and URLs will open. It sounds silly but it is handy.
> > >
> > > :-)
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Re: [ANN] New plugin AAG|Workspaces

[stephen barncard]

tRev (now Remo) doesn't split.  GLX2 did, and I think is in the open source
version.

sqb

On 21 July 2011 10:53, Pete Haworth  wrote:

> Is GLX2 what became tRev... and then Remo?  I have tRev but have to admit I
> haven't used it a lot but don;t remember seeing a split screen editing
> mode,
> but then there's not much in the way of documentation for it.
> Pete
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Andre Garzia  >wrote:
>
> > Someone can correct me but I think GLX2 can do that with even more than
> two
> > panes... (or it was constellation?)
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Pete  wrote:
> >
> > > I don't know why but this reminded me of something I would love to see
> in
> > > the script editor - split screen mode, kinda like you see in Word/Excel
> > > where you can slide a bar part way up the editing window and each
> > resulting
> > > section of the window can be individually scrolled/edited.
> > > Pete
> > > Molly's Revenge 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Andre Garzia 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Folks,
> > > >
> > > > I've just launched a little plugin. I've used it since forever, hope
> > you
> > > > guys find it useful.
> > > >
> > > > Check out at http://andregarzia.com/page/aagworkspaces
> > > >
> > > > Basically it allows you to create "workspaces". Each workspace is a
> > > > collection of URLs and Files (that can be stacks) that are open when
> > you
> > > > are
> > > > in that workspace, so when you switch projects, instead of loosing a
> > lot
> > > of
> > > > time reopening pages and files, you can simply select the workspace
> in
> > > > there
> > > > and all the files and URLs will open. It sounds silly but it is
> handy.
> > > >
> > > > :-)
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Re: [ANN] New plugin AAG|Workspaces

[Andre Garzia]

Those were all done by the same person, Jerry Daniels (one of the best
coders I've seen) but they are not the same. GLX2 is one thing and tRev/Remo
is another. GLX2 is now an open source project and Mark Wieder is at the
helm. You can get it from https://bitbucket.org/mwieder/glx2

GLX2 is a great editor, it is a different approach than tRev which is an
out-of-engine editor.

There are different script editors flying around but they don't get much
attention.

I've built a silly one called ASIE (Andres Simple iRev Editor) that could
edit stack scripts and RevServer files but it proved to hard to maintain and
ended up not sharing or using it. The cool thing was that it was inspired by
EMACS (ASIE also means ASIE Simply Isn't Emacs) with different buffers,
minibuffers and those nice Emacs keychords (C-X C-S for saving...)

In the end, that means that there is room for improvement in the script
editor space... :-)

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Pete Haworth wrote:

> Is GLX2 what became tRev... and then Remo?  I have tRev but have to admit I
> haven't used it a lot but don;t remember seeing a split screen editing
> mode,
> but then there's not much in the way of documentation for it.
> Pete
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Andre Garzia  >wrote:
>
> > Someone can correct me but I think GLX2 can do that with even more than
> two
> > panes... (or it was constellation?)
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Pete  wrote:
> >
> > > I don't know why but this reminded me of something I would love to see
> in
> > > the script editor - split screen mode, kinda like you see in Word/Excel
> > > where you can slide a bar part way up the editing window and each
> > resulting
> > > section of the window can be individually scrolled/edited.
> > > Pete
> > > Molly's Revenge 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Andre Garzia 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Folks,
> > > >
> > > > I've just launched a little plugin. I've used it since forever, hope
> > you
> > > > guys find it useful.
> > > >
> > > > Check out at http://andregarzia.com/page/aagworkspaces
> > > >
> > > > Basically it allows you to create "workspaces". Each workspace is a
> > > > collection of URLs and Files (that can be stacks) that are open when
> > you
> > > > are
> > > > in that workspace, so when you switch projects, instead of loosing a
> > lot
> > > of
> > > > time reopening pages and files, you can simply select the workspace
> in
> > > > there
> > > > and all the files and URLs will open. It sounds silly but it is
> handy.
> > > >
> > > > :-)
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Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Andre Garzia]

Apple still selling Snow Leopard on their web store.

It was EOL only on physical stores. Current macbook pros still come with
Snow Leopard.

Now that they shipped lion, which cat will be the next OS? I vote for Mac OS
X 10.8 Megalomaniac Garfield

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:

> Let be burn you copies of what I have. Will .img files work for you?
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Judy Perry wrote:
>
> > Actually, I do.  I have a couple of original iMacs I need to revive...
>  My office machine (a G3 blue & white tower) might actually be running 8.x;
> can't tell as they got rid of the monitor :-(
> >
> > Judy
> >
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Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Bob Sneidar]

How about Tabby, code named Felix?

Bob


On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Apple still selling Snow Leopard on their web store.
> 
> It was EOL only on physical stores. Current macbook pros still come with
> Snow Leopard.
> 
> Now that they shipped lion, which cat will be the next OS? I vote for Mac OS
> X 10.8 Megalomaniac Garfield
> 
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> 
>> Let be burn you copies of what I have. Will .img files work for you?
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Judy Perry wrote:
>> 
>>> Actually, I do.  I have a couple of original iMacs I need to revive...
>> My office machine (a G3 blue & white tower) might actually be running 8.x;
>> can't tell as they got rid of the monitor :-(
>>> 
>>> Judy
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 21 Jul 2011, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>> 
 I have a copy if you need it. Actually, I still have 8.6. ;-)
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Re: [ANN] New plugin AAG|Workspaces

[Bob Sneidar]

Dya think??

Bob
On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:09 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> 
> In the end, that means that there is room for improvement in the script
> editor space... :-)


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Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Pete Haworth]

That explains it since the info I got about it being EOL was an email from a
vendor.

Pete



On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Apple still selling Snow Leopard on their web store.
>
> It was EOL only on physical stores. Current macbook pros still come with
> Snow Leopard.
>
> Now that they shipped lion, which cat will be the next OS? I vote for Mac
> OS
> X 10.8 Megalomaniac Garfield
>
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Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Richmond Mathewson]

Marsupial sabre-tooth?

How about Tabby, code named Felix?

Bob


On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:


Apple still selling Snow Leopard on their web store.

It was EOL only on physical stores. Current macbook pros still come with
Snow Leopard.

Now that they shipped lion, which cat will be the next OS? I vote for Mac OS
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Re: [ANN] New plugin AAG|Workspaces

[Pete Haworth]

Thanks, I'll take a look at GLX2.  I think I gave it a whirl a few months
back but there were some issues with it at that time.

Pete



On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Those were all done by the same person, Jerry Daniels (one of the best
> coders I've seen) but they are not the same. GLX2 is one thing and
> tRev/Remo
> is another. GLX2 is now an open source project and Mark Wieder is at the
> helm. You can get it from https://bitbucket.org/mwieder/glx2
>
> GLX2 is a great editor, it is a different approach than tRev which is an
> out-of-engine editor.
>
> There are different script editors flying around but they don't get much
> attention.
>
> I've built a silly one called ASIE (Andres Simple iRev Editor) that could
> edit stack scripts and RevServer files but it proved to hard to maintain
> and
> ended up not sharing or using it. The cool thing was that it was inspired
> by
> EMACS (ASIE also means ASIE Simply Isn't Emacs) with different buffers,
> minibuffers and those nice Emacs keychords (C-X C-S for saving...)
>
> In the end, that means that there is room for improvement in the script
> editor space... :-)
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Pete Haworth  >wrote:
>
> > Is GLX2 what became tRev... and then Remo?  I have tRev but have to admit
> I
> > haven't used it a lot but don;t remember seeing a split screen editing
> > mode,
> > but then there's not much in the way of documentation for it.
> > Pete
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Andre Garzia  > >wrote:
> >
> > > Someone can correct me but I think GLX2 can do that with even more than
> > two
> > > panes... (or it was constellation?)
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Pete  wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't know why but this reminded me of something I would love to
> see
> > in
> > > > the script editor - split screen mode, kinda like you see in
> Word/Excel
> > > > where you can slide a bar part way up the editing window and each
> > > resulting
> > > > section of the window can be individually scrolled/edited.
> > > > Pete
> > > > Molly's Revenge 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Andre Garzia  >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Folks,
> > > > >
> > > > > I've just launched a little plugin. I've used it since forever,
> hope
> > > you
> > > > > guys find it useful.
> > > > >
> > > > > Check out at http://andregarzia.com/page/aagworkspaces
> > > > >
> > > > > Basically it allows you to create "workspaces". Each workspace is a
> > > > > collection of URLs and Files (that can be stacks) that are open
> when
> > > you
> > > > > are
> > > > > in that workspace, so when you switch projects, instead of loosing
> a
> > > lot
> > > > of
> > > > > time reopening pages and files, you can simply select the workspace
> > in
> > > > > there
> > > > > and all the files and URLs will open. It sounds silly but it is
> > handy.
> > > > >
> > > > > :-)
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Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Warren Samples]

On Thursday, July 21, 2011 01:11:17 PM Andre Garzia wrote:
> I vote for Mac OS
> X 10.8 Megalomaniac Garfield

Werecat?

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Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Björnke von Gierke]

I guess it's a question of ROI much more then off a decision on a concise 
ruleset about what and what not to support.

So the basic native controls on the other hand have always been supported, even 
though sometimes they where broken for short times when a new OS was freshly 
released. More.. arcane controls like the small edit dot or drawers on the 
other hand have always been second hand citizens. and therefore have been 
either partly or not at all or very late after their appearance become 
implemented.

For example, As far as I know RunRev was committed to allow us the creation of 
mac apps that are apple store compatible. However, with the new signing 
requirement, this might have changed a bit. All we can do is to wait for a 
decision from them.


On 21 Jul 2011, at 02:49, Shao Sean wrote:

>> There's been recent discussion of just how many OSX controls are not 
>> natively available in LC and Lion just seems to add to that list. Will LC 
>> ever catch up?
> 
> Probably not.. Seems they will not touch anything that is not cross platform..


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Setting a dirty flag for a file

[Charles Szasz]

I am using Rev. 4.0. How do you set a "dirty flag" for a data file that that 
has been saved but still open in your app stack?  My app creates a data file 
that saves the contents of 16 fields. I have code to show an initial save 
dialog when the user makes changes. I want to use a dirty flag to show another 
save box only when closing the file if the user makes subsequent changes in the 
data file.  Otherwise when the user closes the data file without additional 
change no save dialog will be presented.

Thanks for your time! 

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Re: [ANN] New plugin AAG|Workspaces

[Pete Haworth]

Just downloaded GLX2 from bitbucket and I don't see a split screen
capability, at least no obvious way of doing it.

Pete



On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:07 AM, stephen barncard <
stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com> wrote:

> tRev (now Remo) doesn't split.  GLX2 did, and I think is in the open source
> version.
>
> sqb
>
> On 21 July 2011 10:53, Pete Haworth  wrote:
>
> > Is GLX2 what became tRev... and then Remo?  I have tRev but have to admit
> I
> > haven't used it a lot but don;t remember seeing a split screen editing
> > mode,
> > but then there's not much in the way of documentation for it.
> > Pete
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Andre Garzia  > >wrote:
> >
> > > Someone can correct me but I think GLX2 can do that with even more than
> > two
> > > panes... (or it was constellation?)
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Pete  wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't know why but this reminded me of something I would love to
> see
> > in
> > > > the script editor - split screen mode, kinda like you see in
> Word/Excel
> > > > where you can slide a bar part way up the editing window and each
> > > resulting
> > > > section of the window can be individually scrolled/edited.
> > > > Pete
> > > > Molly's Revenge 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Andre Garzia  >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Folks,
> > > > >
> > > > > I've just launched a little plugin. I've used it since forever,
> hope
> > > you
> > > > > guys find it useful.
> > > > >
> > > > > Check out at http://andregarzia.com/page/aagworkspaces
> > > > >
> > > > > Basically it allows you to create "workspaces". Each workspace is a
> > > > > collection of URLs and Files (that can be stacks) that are open
> when
> > > you
> > > > > are
> > > > > in that workspace, so when you switch projects, instead of loosing
> a
> > > lot
> > > > of
> > > > > time reopening pages and files, you can simply select the workspace
> > in
> > > > > there
> > > > > and all the files and URLs will open. It sounds silly but it is
> > handy.
> > > > >
> > > > > :-)
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Re: Setting a dirty flag for a file

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Charles,

Isn't it sufficient to simply no close the file until you're done? You might 
need to keep records of open files, but if you do this properly, you could open 
them once and close them all when your app closes or if the user closes some 
window.

on openSomeFIle
  open file gFile
  // do stuff
end openSomeFile

on closeStack
  close file gFile
end coseStack

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On 21 jul 2011, at 20:45, Charles Szasz wrote:

> I am using Rev. 4.0. How do you set a "dirty flag" for a data file that that 
> has been saved but still open in your app stack?  My app creates a data file 
> that saves the contents of 16 fields. I have code to show an initial save 
> dialog when the user makes changes. I want to use a dirty flag to show 
> another save box only when closing the file if the user makes subsequent 
> changes in the data file.  Otherwise when the user closes the data file 
> without additional change no save dialog will be presented.
> 
> Thanks for your time! 
> 
> Charles Szasz
> csz...@mac.com
> 


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Re: Setting a dirty flag for a file

[Charles Szasz]

Hi Mark,

Can you elaborate on what you are suggesting here and how you can do it? 

Charles Szasz
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Re: Setting a dirty flag for a file

[Richard Gaskin]

Charles Szasz wrote:

> I am using Rev. 4.0. How do you set a "dirty flag" for a data
> file that that has been saved but still open in your app stack?
> My app creates a data file that saves the contents of 16 fields.
> I have code to show an initial save dialog when the user makes
> changes. I want to use a dirty flag to show another save box only
> when closing the file if the user makes subsequent changes in the
> data file.  Otherwise when the user closes the data file without
> additional change no save dialog will be presented.

You can use a custom property for that, setting it to true whenever a 
closeField triggers, and clearing it on save.


But better still would be to use the modifiedMark property of the stack, 
which has the additional benefit of indicating unsaved changes by 
darkening the closeBox on OS X.


Whichever flag you use, you'll want to check it in a closeStackRequest 
handler, so you can prompt the user to save if needed.


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Re: Setting a dirty flag for a file

[Devin Asay]

On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:20 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Charles Szasz wrote:
> 
>> I am using Rev. 4.0. How do you set a "dirty flag" for a data
>> file that that has been saved but still open in your app stack?
>> My app creates a data file that saves the contents of 16 fields.
>> I have code to show an initial save dialog when the user makes
>> changes. I want to use a dirty flag to show another save box only
>> when closing the file if the user makes subsequent changes in the
>> data file.  Otherwise when the user closes the data file without
>> additional change no save dialog will be presented.
> 
> You can use a custom property for that, setting it to true whenever a 
> closeField triggers, and clearing it on save.
> 
> But better still would be to use the modifiedMark property of the stack, 
> which has the additional benefit of indicating unsaved changes by 
> darkening the closeBox on OS X.

But don't forget that the modifiedMark property only showed up in LC 4.6, and 
Charles said he's using v. 4.0.
> 
> Whichever flag you use, you'll want to check it in a closeStackRequest 
> handler, so you can prompt the user to save if needed.

For actually setting the flag you can do something as simple as comparing the 
contents of a field with the contents of an external file with each keystroke:

on rawKeyUp
# where tFilepath is a variable storing the full path to the saved file
if field "mycontent" = url ("file:" & tFilepath) then
  set the dirtyStack of this stack to true
else
  set the dirtyStack of this stack to false
end if
end rawKeyUp

HTH

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University


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Re: Setting a dirty flag for a file

[Charles Szasz]

Devin and Mark,

Thanks for your suggestions! I think this is one of those areas that should be 
covered by LiveCode in their Lessons. I would not be surprised that others had 
questions about how to do this task.

Charles Szasz
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Re: Setting a dirty flag for a file

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Charles,

I read your e-mail again. I understand that you want to know whether one or 
more fields have changed, not whether a file is open.

Usually, I generate an md5Digest and save that:

on closeField
  makeDigest 
end closeField

on makeDigest
  put empty into myDigest
  repeat with x = 1 to number of fields
put md5Digest(fld x & myDigest) into myDigest
  end repeat
  set the cDigest of this stack to myDigest
end makeDigest

function dataChanged
  put empty into myDigest
  repeat with x = 1 to number of fields
put md5Digest(fld x & myDigest) into myDigest
  end repeat
  return (the cDigest of this stack is myDigest)
end dataChanged

You just will have to figure out what is a smart event to check the digest: 
closing a field, closing a window, opening a window, refreshing the file menu, 
etc.

When you close the window, you might want to do this:

on closeStackRequest
  if dataChanged then
answer "Do you want?" with "Don't Save" or "OK" or "No"
if it containt "Don't" then
  exit closeStackRequest
else if it is "No" then
  pass closeStackRequest
else
  // do your saving stuff here
  // return true if the file was saved
  if the result is true then
pass closeStackRequest
  end if
end if
  end if
end closeStackRequest

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On 21 jul 2011, at 21:35, Charles Szasz wrote:

> Devin and Mark,
> 
> Thanks for your suggestions! I think this is one of those areas that should 
> be covered by LiveCode in their Lessons. I would not be surprised that others 
> had questions about how to do this task.
> 
> Charles Szasz
> csz...@mac.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Detecting Different Versions of Livecode

[Pete Haworth]

Is there a way to detect the license type of the installed version of
LiveCode?  For example, the Desktop Personal license, or the Commercial
Desktop ISV?

Pete
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Re: Setting a dirty flag for a file

[Peter Brigham MD]

On Jul 21, 2011, at 4:02 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi Charles,
> 
> I read your e-mail again. I understand that you want to know whether one or 
> more fields have changed, not whether a file is open.
> 
> Usually, I generate an md5Digest and save that:
> 
> on closeField
>  makeDigest 
> end closeField
> 
> on makeDigest
>  put empty into myDigest
>  repeat with x = 1 to number of fields
>put md5Digest(fld x & myDigest) into myDigest
>  end repeat
>  set the cDigest of this stack to myDigest
> end makeDigest
> 
> function dataChanged
>  put empty into myDigest
>  repeat with x = 1 to number of fields
>put md5Digest(fld x & myDigest) into myDigest
>  end repeat
>  return (the cDigest of this stack is myDigest)
> end dataChanged
> 
> You just will have to figure out what is a smart event to check the digest: 
> closing a field, closing a window, opening a window, refreshing the file 
> menu, etc.
> 
> When you close the window, you might want to do this:
> 
> on closeStackRequest
>  if dataChanged then
>answer "Do you want?" with "Don't Save" or "OK" or "No"
>if it containt "Don't" then
>  exit closeStackRequest
>else if it is "No" then
>  pass closeStackRequest
>else
>  // do your saving stuff here
>  // return true if the file was saved
>  if the result is true then
>pass closeStackRequest
>  end if
>end if
>  end if
> end closeStackRequest


I use a frontscript -- wholesale is better than retail:

on closefield
   setDirty
   pass closefield
end closefield

on setDirty tf
   if tf = empty then put true into tf
   put the version into v
   replace "." with empty in v
   if v < 453 then exit setDirty
   -- version must be 4.5.3 or higher,
   -- or you just create a new customprop
   set the modifiedMark of stack "myStack" to tf
end setDirty

If you want to exclude certain fields, use a customprop to mark fields that 
shouldn't trigger setDirty when edited:

   set the the dontFlagDirty of fld "excludedFld" to true

Then in the closeField handler in the frontscript, insert as the first line

   if the dontFlagDirty of the target <> true then pass closefield

Changes other than field content that should be saved (radiobuttons or 
checkboxes, etc) can be handled, eg, with a mouseup handler in the frontscript, 
and suitable checks on the target. (Pass the mouseup!)

I also do:

on preopenstack
   set dirty false
   ...  ...
   ...
end preopenstack

-- Peter

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OT: It's Android Jim, but not as we know it (what CPUs does Livecode compile to?)

[Bernard Devlin]

Hi folks,

This is a question for those of you who have sallied forth into the
world of Android development (or, who have at least considered it).

When Livecode creates an app for Android deployment, what CPU
architecture does Livecode compile for?

My reason for asking is that I like the look of the Asus Transformer.
It is an Android tablet that docks into a keyboard.  But the processor
is the Tegra.  I'm guessing that Livecode will not be compiling apps
for such an unusual processor.  Assuming that Android (ultimately)
provides an OS that runs identically (let me dream) across different
processor architectures, then it would be great to be able to actually
run the IDE on a machine like the Transformer.  From what I read, the
Transformer is still a little imperfect (in terms of manufacturing
quality, and pointer lag when docked into the keyboard).  But it has
only been around for a few months and shows great promise as a design.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/18/asus-eee-pad-transformer-uk-edition-review/
http://thisismynext.com/2011/05/12/asus-eee-pad-transformer-tf101-review/#1_undefined,0_

As a tablet it is only marginally heavier than an iPad (about 10%).
And as a tablet it has a supposed battery life of 8 hours, plus
another 6 when docked to the keyboard (if fully charged on both
battery packs, the usage times of both are combined to provide 14
hours or so).  Being a dockable touchscreen, it has the benefits of
mutliple input modes (I really can't be doing with more than minimal
typing with an onscreen keyboard).  I held a Transformer today, and it
is pretty sweet (although I didn't get to touch the keyboard, as they
were sold out).

I wasn't very impressed by the quality of the early Asus EEE netbooks,
but the Transformer felt like a quality product.  The Acer AA1s were
superior to the early Asus netbooks - for some months now I've been
using a later Acer netbook for portable computing, and I've been
surprisingly pleased with the form factor and the performance.  Of
course, I still find the Macbook Air a very, very seductive design,
but Apple's attitudes have been fuelling a love/hate relationship for
me for some years now.

I guess I'm really hoping for too much to think that Livecode could
run on a Tegra (I know the Linux IDE is only compiled for intel).
Microsoft just about killed alternative operating systems on netbooks
(as OEM installations), but it looks like Linux might rise again on
these small laptops using Android.  Certainly I've never seen an OEM
install of linux on a netbook with the finesse of Android on the Asus
Transformer, and I've never seen a netbook with the build quality of
the Transformer tablet.  And the Transformer (including the dockable
keyboard) is about half the price of a Macbook Air.  If the
Transformer had access to the masses of apps found in a typical Linux
distro AND had a Livecode IDE that was at parity with the IDE on
Windows or OS X, I think I'd be in a very happy place technologically.

The Wikipedia entry on the Tegra says that it is a system on a chip
that incorporates an ARM processor, and that Ubuntu will run on it in
addition to Android.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Tegra
http://tegradeveloper.nvidia.com/tegra/forum/what-operating-systems-are-supported-tegra

I think however, the idea of getting even a basic Livecode development
platform running (e.g. one that ran within the scriptlimits inside an
Android app) might be the most I could hope for.  Still, I did not see
myself developing apps for an Android mobile phone, but running
Livecode apps on an Asus Transformer would be of interest to me.

Bernard

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Re: Setting a dirty flag for a file

[Charles Szasz]

Mark,

Thanks very much! I work on this tonight. 

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Re: OT: It's Android Jim, but not as we know it (what CPUs does Livecode compile to?)

[Richard Gaskin]

Bernard Devlin wrote:


When Livecode creates an app for Android deployment, what CPU
architecture does Livecode compile for?

My reason for asking is that I like the look of the Asus Transformer.
It is an Android tablet that docks into a keyboard.  But the processor
is the Tegra.  I'm guessing that Livecode will not be compiling apps
for such an unusual processor.


I haven't a clue, but that won't stop me from random conjecture. :)

My hunch is that it's like AMD and Intel:  different makers, compatible 
instruction set.


I can't imagine the Tegra would expect every developer to recompile for it.

If you get one let us know how you like it.  Looks like a sweet machine.

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Re: OT: It's Android Jim, but not as we know it (what CPUs does Livecode compile to?)

[J. Landman Gay]

On 7/21/11 4:13 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote:

Hi folks,

This is a question for those of you who have sallied forth into the
world of Android development (or, who have at least considered it).

When Livecode creates an app for Android deployment, what CPU
architecture does Livecode compile for?

My reason for asking is that I like the look of the Asus Transformer.
It is an Android tablet that docks into a keyboard.  But the processor
is the Tegra.  I'm guessing that Livecode will not be compiling apps
for such an unusual processor.


I don't know. But if the device can download and run apps from the 
Android market then it should be able to run anything LiveCode compiles. 
As I understand it, the processor is immaterial, it's the OS that 
counts. If the processor runs a standard Android distribution then it 
should run LiveCode-compiled Android apps.


Maybe the first thing to find out is if it can run standard Market apps.

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Lion problem report and fix

[Josh Mellicker]

Just wanted to let everyone know, Lion permissions default to not allowing 
Livecode to create folders in "/Library/Application Support/" with the "create 
folder" command.

Here's how we got around it:

First, this

   put "mkdir" && quote & "/Library/Application 
Support/theNewFolderWeNeed2create" & quote into tCmd
   get shell (tCmd)
   put it

returns "Permission denied".


But this:

   put "sudo mkdir -p" && quote & "/Library/Application 
Support/theNewFolderWeNeed2create" & quote into tCmd
   get shell (tCmd)
   
creates the folder, and oddly, does not prompt for the password, at least in 
the IDE (haven't tried with a standalone yet).

Then, this:

   put "sudo chmod -Rfv 777" && quote & "/Library/Application 
Support/theNewFolderWeNeed2create" & quote into tCmd
   get shell (tCmd)

makes it so that folders and items can be freely created in the new folder by 
Livecode on Lion. So everything is back to normal a la the Leopards.


Hope this helps someone out.


And, if anyone has a better way, please post!
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Re: OT: It's Android Jim, but not as we know it (what CPUs does Livecode compile to?)

[Andre Garzia]

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 6:36 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 7/21/11 4:13 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> This is a question for those of you who have sallied forth into the
>> world of Android development (or, who have at least considered it).
>>
>> When Livecode creates an app for Android deployment, what CPU
>> architecture does Livecode compile for?
>>
>> My reason for asking is that I like the look of the Asus Transformer.
>> It is an Android tablet that docks into a keyboard.  But the processor
>> is the Tegra.  I'm guessing that Livecode will not be compiling apps
>> for such an unusual processor.
>>
>
> I don't know. But if the device can download and run apps from the Android
> market then it should be able to run anything LiveCode compiles. As I
> understand it, the processor is immaterial, it's the OS that counts. If the
> processor runs a standard Android distribution then it should run
> LiveCode-compiled Android apps.
>
>
Not Really Jacque,

Applications that target the dalvik virtual machine will run accross
different CPUs but as I understand Android has some NDK thing like a Native
CPU Specific Development Kit where you can compile C/C++ code such as the
LiveCode engine and call it from a dalvik based application. As I
understand, LiveCode is probably being built natively for the ARM CPU on
Android and maybe x86 to run on the Android Emulator (or the Android
Emulator is emulating ARM).

This is my guess, I may be wrong though





> Maybe the first thing to find out is if it can run standard Market apps.
>
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Re: Lion problem report and fix

[Richard Gaskin]

Josh Mellicker wrote:


Just wanted to let everyone know, Lion permissions default to not allowing Livecode to create 
folders in "/Library/Application Support/" with the "create folder" command.


I believe that's true with earlier versions as well if the current user 
is not admin.


Apple recommends using the user's App Support folder, where LC's "create 
folder" seems to work well:


   Contains all application-specific data and support files. These
   are the files that your application creates and manages on behalf
   of the user and can include files that contain user data.

   By convention, all of these items should be put in a subdirectory
   whose name matches the bundle identifier of the application. For
   example, if your application is named MyApp and has the bundle
   identifier com.example.MyApp, you would put your application’s
   user-specific data files and resources in the ~/Library/Application
   Support/com.example.MyApp/ directory. Your application is
   responsible for creating this directory as needed.



There may be special cases where you'd need to use the system-wide App 
Support folder, but those should ideally invoke the admin dialog, since 
any access to system directories without that would pose a security risk.


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Re: OT: It's Android Jim, but not as we know it (what CPUs does Livecode compile to?)

[François Chaplais]

Le 21 juil. 2011 à 23:52, Andre Garzia a écrit :

> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 6:36 PM, J. Landman Gay 
> wrote:
> 
>> On 7/21/11 4:13 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> 
>>> This is a question for those of you who have sallied forth into the
>>> world of Android development (or, who have at least considered it).
>>> 
>>> When Livecode creates an app for Android deployment, what CPU
>>> architecture does Livecode compile for?
>>> 
>>> My reason for asking is that I like the look of the Asus Transformer.
>>> It is an Android tablet that docks into a keyboard.  But the processor
>>> is the Tegra.  I'm guessing that Livecode will not be compiling apps
>>> for such an unusual processor.
>>> 
>> 
>> I don't know. But if the device can download and run apps from the Android
>> market then it should be able to run anything LiveCode compiles. As I
>> understand it, the processor is immaterial, it's the OS that counts. If the
>> processor runs a standard Android distribution then it should run
>> LiveCode-compiled Android apps.
>> 
>> 
> Not Really Jacque,
> 
> Applications that target the dalvik virtual machine will run accross
> different CPUs but as I understand Android has some NDK thing like a Native
> CPU Specific Development Kit where you can compile C/C++ code such as the
> LiveCode engine and call it from a dalvik based application. As I
> understand, LiveCode is probably being built natively for the ARM CPU on
> Android and maybe x86 to run on the Android Emulator (or the Android
> Emulator is emulating ARM).
> 
> This is my guess, I may be wrong though
> 
Isn'it some kind of Java? The kind of Java Larry Ellison is suing Google about?
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Re: Lion problem report and fix

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Josh,

That's seems normal, since /Library isn't a user folder. Are you sure this is 
Lion-specific? Have you tried ~/Library/Application Support?

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On 21 jul 2011, at 23:38, Josh Mellicker wrote:

> Just wanted to let everyone know, Lion permissions default to not allowing 
> Livecode to create folders in "/Library/Application Support/" with the 
> "create folder" command.
> 
> Here's how we got around it:
> 
> First, this
> 
>   put "mkdir" && quote & "/Library/Application 
> Support/theNewFolderWeNeed2create" & quote into tCmd
>   get shell (tCmd)
>   put it
> 
> returns "Permission denied".
> 
> 
> But this:
> 
>   put "sudo mkdir -p" && quote & "/Library/Application 
> Support/theNewFolderWeNeed2create" & quote into tCmd
>   get shell (tCmd)
> 
> creates the folder, and oddly, does not prompt for the password, at least in 
> the IDE (haven't tried with a standalone yet).
> 
> Then, this:
> 
>   put "sudo chmod -Rfv 777" && quote & "/Library/Application 
> Support/theNewFolderWeNeed2create" & quote into tCmd
>   get shell (tCmd)
> 
> makes it so that folders and items can be freely created in the new folder by 
> Livecode on Lion. So everything is back to normal a la the Leopards.
> 
> 
> Hope this helps someone out.
> 
> 
> And, if anyone has a better way, please post!


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Re: Lion problem report and fix

[Pete Haworth]

Thanks for that knowledge Richard, very useful.  One thing I noticed on my
Mac (OS X 10.6.8) is that all the folders inside the Application Support
folder are named simply with the application name not with bundle
identifier, so in the example quoted, they are in the MyApp folder, not the
com.example.MyApp folder.

Pete



On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Richard Gaskin
wrote:

> Josh Mellicker wrote:
>
>  Just wanted to let everyone know, Lion permissions default to not allowing
>> Livecode to create folders in "/Library/Application Support/" with the
>> "create folder" command.
>>
>
> I believe that's true with earlier versions as well if the current user is
> not admin.
>
> Apple recommends using the user's App Support folder, where LC's "create
> folder" seems to work well:
>
>   Contains all application-specific data and support files. These
>   are the files that your application creates and manages on behalf
>   of the user and can include files that contain user data.
>
>   By convention, all of these items should be put in a subdirectory
>   whose name matches the bundle identifier of the application. For
>   example, if your application is named MyApp and has the bundle
>   identifier com.example.MyApp, you would put your application’s
>   user-specific data files and resources in the ~/Library/Application
>   Support/com.example.MyApp/ directory. Your application is
>   responsible for creating this directory as needed.
>
>  FileManagement/Conceptual/**FileSystemProgrammingGUide/**
> MacOSXDirectories/**MacOSXDirectories.html#//**
> apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40010672-**CH10-SW1
> >
>
> There may be special cases where you'd need to use the system-wide App
> Support folder, but those should ideally invoke the admin dialog, since any
> access to system directories without that would pose a security risk.
>
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Re: OT: It's Android Jim, but not as we know it (what CPUs does Livecode compile to?)

[Bob Sneidar]

Aslong as this is OT and we are on the subject of Android, has anyone else 
noticed that Android Wifi Tethering simply hoses Airport Wireless? Sure seems 
to around here. 

Bob


On Jul 21, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> This is a question for those of you who have sallied forth into the
> world of Android development (or, who have at least considered it).
> 
> When Livecode creates an app for Android deployment, what CPU
> architecture does Livecode compile for?


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Re: Lion problem report and fix

[Marty Knapp]

Interestingly, the user's Library folder, and thus the Application 
Support folder is invisible on my Lion install. I can write to it OK, 
though (only tested as admin).


Marty Knapp

Josh Mellicker wrote:

Just wanted to let everyone know, Lion permissions default to not 
allowing Livecode to create folders in "/Library/Application 
Support/" with the "create folder" command.


I believe that's true with earlier versions as well if the current 
user is not admin.


Apple recommends using the user's App Support folder, where LC's 
"create folder" seems to work well:


   Contains all application-specific data and support files. These
   are the files that your application creates and manages on behalf
   of the user and can include files that contain user data.

   By convention, all of these items should be put in a subdirectory
   whose name matches the bundle identifier of the application. For
   example, if your application is named MyApp and has the bundle
   identifier com.example.MyApp, you would put your application’s
   user-specific data files and resources in the ~/Library/Application
   Support/com.example.MyApp/ directory. Your application is
   responsible for creating this directory as needed.

 



There may be special cases where you'd need to use the system-wide App 
Support folder, but those should ideally invoke the admin dialog, 
since any access to system directories without that would pose a 
security risk.


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Re: Lion problem report and fix

[Richard Gaskin]

Pete Haworth wrote:


Thanks for that knowledge Richard, very useful.  One thing I noticed on my
Mac (OS X 10.6.8) is that all the folders inside the Application Support
folder are named simply with the application name not with bundle
identifier, so in the example quoted, they are in the MyApp folder, not the
com.example.MyApp folder.


What Apple recommends and what they actually do are not always the same 
thing. ;)


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Re: Lion problem report and fix

[Richard Gaskin]

Marty Knapp wrote:

Interestingly, the user's Library folder, and thus the Application
Support folder is invisible on my Lion install. I can write to it OK,
though (only tested as admin).


This sort of thing was touched in in the WWDC keynote.  In short, Steve 
believes file systems are confusing to users, so Apple is removing 
end-user access to anything they don't really need.


If you prowl around in Terminal you'll find there are a lot of folders 
that have been hidden for years.  Lion just adds more.


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Re: Lion problem report and fix

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi,


By default, the ~/Library folder is hidden in Lion. This is a big problem to 
many of the readers of this site, as many hints involve this folder (especially 
any involving hidden preferences). 

You can easily un-hide this folder for easy access. Simply run the following 
command in Terminal: 

chflags nohidden ~/Library 

If, for some reason, you want to re-hide it, you can run the same command using 
'hidden' instead of 'nohidden'. 

You can actually use this command to hide or unhide any folder. Just put it's 
path in place of ~/Library.


source: http://qery.us/vf

You can also press shift-command-G and type "~/Library" to get access to the 
folder in the Finder.

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On 22 jul 2011, at 00:17, Marty Knapp wrote:

> Interestingly, the user's Library folder, and thus the Application Support 
> folder is invisible on my Lion install. I can write to it OK, though (only 
> tested as admin).
> 
> Marty Knapp



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How is it?

[Bob Sneidar]

How is it that I can have the selection tool selected, and clicking on an 
object sends a mouseUp to it and executes the script? Is anyone else seeing 
wierdness like this in 4.6.3? Other things are going awry as well similar to 
this. I'm getting scared. 

Bob



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Re: Detecting Different Versions of Livecode

[Thunder]

Try this :

revLicenseType()

and

revLicenseInfo

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Re: OT: It's Android Jim, but not as we know it (what CPUs does Livecode compile to?)

[Bernard Devlin]

Since the Tegra has an ARM processor on the system chip, then it would
seem to fundamentally be an ARM processor.  It is a rather amazing
ecosystem where linux/google/ARM/nvidia/asus combine to produce
something like that, which was probably never envisaged by any of them
10 years ago.

It does run things from the (or at least "an") Android marketplace (I
guess it might be configured to go to a processor-specific
marketplace).  Since I'm such a total noob in this particular area, I
don't know the ins and outs.  But certainly it lists "top free apps"
and "top paid apps" that can be installed.

If someone provides me with an identifiable free app from the Android
Marketplace which was coded in Livecode, then I can go back to the
store and see if I can find, install and run it.

Bernard

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Andre Garzia  wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 6:36 PM, J. Landman Gay 
> wrote:
>
>> I don't know. But if the device can download and run apps from the Android
>> market then it should be able to run anything LiveCode compiles. As I
>> understand it, the processor is immaterial, it's the OS that counts. If the
>> processor runs a standard Android distribution then it should run
>> LiveCode-compiled Android apps.
>>
>>
> Not Really Jacque,
>
> Applications that target the dalvik virtual machine will run accross
> different CPUs but as I understand Android has some NDK thing like a Native
> CPU Specific Development Kit where you can compile C/C++ code such as the
> LiveCode engine and call it from a dalvik based application. As I
> understand, LiveCode is probably being built natively for the ARM CPU on
> Android and maybe x86 to run on the Android Emulator (or the Android
> Emulator is emulating ARM).
>
> This is my guess, I may be wrong though
>
>> Maybe the first thing to find out is if it can run standard Market apps.
>>
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Re: How is it?

[Richard Gaskin]

Bob Sneidar wrote:
> How is it that I can have the selection tool selected, and clicking
> on an object sends a mouseUp to it and executes the script? Is anyone
> else seeing wierdness like this in 4.6.3?

Is this in the IDE or in a standalone only?  If in the IDE, does it only 
happen when "Suspend IDE" is active?


When the mouse goes up a mouseUp message is sent, regardless whether the 
pointer or browse tool is active (U have an RQCC request for a separate 
suite of messages for the pointer tool like SuperCard provides, but 
that's another story).


Historically, the IDE eats those messages when the pointer tool is active.

If this isn't happening that way for you it may be a bug.  While it 
would reflect engine behaviors, it can be confusing to try to author 
like that.


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Re: Lion problem report and fix

[Josh Mellicker]

On Jul 21, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi Josh,
> 
> That's seems normal, since /Library isn't a user folder. Are you sure this is 
> Lion-specific?

Yes, at least with all the copies of Lion we've encountered so far.




On Jul 21, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Have you tried ~/Library/Application Support?


We used to use that folder, but switched because we encountered some cases of 
multiple users on the same computer (and we wanted to make things work for all 
users).
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Re: Lion problem report and fix

[Richard Gaskin]

Josh Mellicker wrote:


On Jul 21, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:


Hi Josh,

That's seems normal, since /Library isn't a user folder. Are you sure this is 
Lion-specific?


Yes, at least with all the copies of Lion we've encountered so far.


Is it any different in Snow Leopard?

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Re: OT: It's Android Jim, but not as we know it (what CPUs does Livecode compile to?)

[J. Landman Gay]

On 7/21/11 4:52 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:


Applications that target the dalvik virtual machine will run accross
different CPUs but as I understand Android has some NDK thing like a Native
CPU Specific Development Kit where you can compile C/C++ code such as the
LiveCode engine and call it from a dalvik based application. As I
understand, LiveCode is probably being built natively for the ARM CPU on
Android and maybe x86 to run on the Android Emulator (or the Android
Emulator is emulating ARM).

This is my guess, I may be wrong though


You'd know better than me, so you're probably right. But if the machine 
can run Market apps, would that be a good test?


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Re: Detecting Different Versions of Livecode

[Pete Haworth]

Thanks - revLicenseInfo is what I was looking for (not documented in the
dictionary)

Pete



On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Thunder  wrote:

> Try this :
>
> revLicenseType()
>
> and
>
> revLicenseInfo
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Detecting-Different-Versions-of-Livecode-tp3684990p3685390.html
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Re: Lion problem report and fix

[J. Landman Gay]

On 7/21/11 5:17 PM, Marty Knapp wrote:

Interestingly, the user's Library folder, and thus the Application
Support folder is invisible on my Lion install. I can write to it OK,
though (only tested as admin).


I was just reading about this. Apparently you can hold down the Option 
key while choosing the Go menu in the Finder, and a Library item 
appears. I've read about several shortcuts (and the usual Terminal fix,) 
but this one seems fastest. (I haven't installed Lion yet, so all my 
info is based on reading.)


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Re: How is it?

[Bob Sneidar]

Hi Richard. It's in the IDE. I am running an alt debugger and an alt script 
editor whose names shall remain unspoken, so it's not clear what is causing the 
problem. But if someone else was seeing it, and I could determine off list if 
they were also using the same script editor and debugger, then I could forward 
the issue to the proper people. 

Bob


On Jul 21, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Bob Sneidar wrote:
> > How is it that I can have the selection tool selected, and clicking
> > on an object sends a mouseUp to it and executes the script? Is anyone
> > else seeing wierdness like this in 4.6.3?
> 
> Is this in the IDE or in a standalone only?  If in the IDE, does it only 
> happen when "Suspend IDE" is active?
> 
> When the mouse goes up a mouseUp message is sent, regardless whether the 
> pointer or browse tool is active (U have an RQCC request for a separate suite 
> of messages for the pointer tool like SuperCard provides, but that's another 
> story).
> 
> Historically, the IDE eats those messages when the pointer tool is active.
> 
> If this isn't happening that way for you it may be a bug.  While it would 
> reflect engine behaviors, it can be confusing to try to author like that.
> 
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Re: Lion problem report and fix

[Bob Sneidar]

Hmmm... doesn't work like that for me. It still remembers the last thing I had 
entered. Are you talking about Got to folder?

Bob


On Jul 21, 2011, at 4:31 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 7/21/11 5:17 PM, Marty Knapp wrote:
>> Interestingly, the user's Library folder, and thus the Application
>> Support folder is invisible on my Lion install. I can write to it OK,
>> though (only tested as admin).
> 
> I was just reading about this. Apparently you can hold down the Option key 
> while choosing the Go menu in the Finder, and a Library item appears. I've 
> read about several shortcuts (and the usual Terminal fix,) but this one seems 
> fastest. (I haven't installed Lion yet, so all my info is based on reading.)
> 
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LiveCode.tv event #32 wrap up

[Björnke von Gierke]

We had a jolly good time

First I showed off some of the Runrev.com/store marketplace 3rd party add ons 
to rev (and I even sticked mostly to the poll). As usual it was a disjointed 
random mess, and technical difficulties (read: disconnects) abound:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/16037131
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/16037272
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/16037513
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/16037739

Then, the European HyperCard User Group (eHUG, http://www.ehug.info) and 
TidBITS gave the eBook “Take Control of TextExpander” to Roger Eller. You can 
find more info on the TC by TidBITS series here:
http://www.takecontrolbooks.com

We also had a nice presentation by Pete, who showed his progress on dynamically 
creating SQL databases and queries by placing objects on a stack (it's amazing 
to see).
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/16039034

See you all next time (MAKE A PRESENTATION!!!) on www.livecode.tv

Björnke

On 15 Jul 2011, at 04:12, Björnke von Gierke wrote:

> Join us once again, when we show LiveCode at it's best.
> 
> This Saturday, Pete Haworth will update us on his qd[SQL] development. 
> qd[SQL] is a currently in development, and will allow you to easily create 
> databases without using any SQL at all, by linking LiveCodes 
> object/group/card metaphor to a backend Database automatically. 
> 
> See also his explanation on Google Docs: 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Rl7B3JJrnmOGctXqd-OL26a37jN10cVD43lujyF26uE/edit?hl=en_US
> 
> Then, the European HyperCard User Group (eHUG, http://www.ehug.info) will 
> raffle off an e-book courtesy of TidBITS. This time around it’s “Take Control 
> of TextExpander”.
> You can find more info on the TC series here:
> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com
> 
> Finally, Björnke von Gierke will take you on a tour trough some of the 
> add-ons from the 3 for 2 special deal ( 
> http://www.runrev.com/mailers/3for2/3for2.html ), currently offered on the 
> RunRev store with the coupon code "THREEFORTWO". Some of the creator of those 
> plugins will also be available in chat, so keep those questions ready. 
> 
> Don't forget that you can vote on which plug-in you are interested in:
> http://blog.livecode.tv/2011/07/poll-for-event-32/
> 
> 
> All this and more on Saturdays Livecode.tv show:
> Sat. 22:00 Moscow
> Sat. 20:00 Paris
> Sat. 19:00h GMT
> Sat. 14:00 New York
> Sat. 11:00 Los Angeles
> Sun. 04:00 Sydney
> Sun. 03:00 Tokyo
> Sun. 2:00 Beijing
> 
> Make sure to join ChatRev on the right time, otherwise you won’t know where 
> to watch, because the correct streams will be announced in ChatRev. ChatRev 
> is open 24/7 for your chatting needs. 
> Go to 
> http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ 
> or enter in the message box:
> go stack URL “http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev”
> 
> If you would like to show something in an event, now or somewhen, please head 
> over to the participation page for ideas, or contact us:
> http://blog.livecode.tv/participate/
> http://www3.economy-x-talk.com/file.php?node=contact
> 
> cheers
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The Multitude of LC web dev tools

[Pete Haworth]

So far, I've kept myself strictly to desktop apps but wanting to start
working on web stuff now (and Android but that's a different email).

I see many terms mentioned on this list about LC web tools and I'm not 100%
sure as to exactly what they all do so I'm hoping I can get some guidance.
 Here's what I think everything is:

On-Rev - a paid web hosting service from Revolution.  For any web
applications or just those developed with LC and if the latter, with what
tools?

revBrowser - a control you can place on a card and use as a web browser to
any url you could reach with a standalone browser.

revServer - a way to develop web server applications using a mixture of LC
stacks and html

revIgniter - a third part tool to help with web server development - is that
any web server or does it have to be a Revolution based server?

I also see reference to a way of running CGI scripts with an older version
of Revolution on the web server.

And then there's Rodeo although I haven't seen much mention of that recently
and I don;t believe it involves LC scripts?

How far off base am I with those descriptions?  No doubt there's other tools
out there as well.

So, let's say I have an application in mind that a user will access from
his/her favorite web browser either on a desktop or perhaps an Android
device.  On the server, I need to format pages of html to send to the user.
 and access data in an SQL database.  Some of the pages will be static and
others will change depending on database content.  What are the recommended
tools to achieve this?


Pete
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Lion 'Gotcha' #1: Creating a Support Folder

[Ken Ray]

put (specialFolderPath("asup") & "/Test") into tSupportFolder
create folder tSupportFolder

This works under Snow Leopard if you are a logged-in admin user without error, 
and it assigns the currently logged-in user as the owner of the folder. 

In Lion, you get a "can't create that directory" error in the result. The 
workaround is to prompt for a password via AppleScript:

put "do shell script" && quote & "mkdir '" & tSupportFolder & \
"'" & quote && "with administrator privileges" into tScript
do tScript as "AppleScript"
if the result <> (quote & quote) then
  -- report the AppleScript error
end if

Note that the resulting folder is owned by 'system' not the logged-in user, so 
you'll need to 'chmod' and 'chown' if you want to set the privileges back to 
what it was pre-Lion.

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Re: The Multitude of LC web dev tools

[Björnke von Gierke]

> On-Rev - a paid web hosting service from Revolution.  For any web
> applications or just those developed with LC and if the latter, with what
> tools?

Any website supports php, perl, cgi and all that other stuff. ANd of course 
on-rev also has revServer built in.

> revServer - a way to develop web server applications using a mixture of LC
> stacks and html

Using a mixture of LC scripts and html (stacks can be used, but are not 
integral to the technology, and where added just this month). For example:
 it is now: 

> revIgniter - a third part tool to help with web server development - is that
> any web server or does it have to be a Revolution based server?

Only works with RevServer (for example on-rev hosted sites)

> I also see reference to a way of running CGI scripts with an older version
> of Revolution on the web server.

Everyone should mail RunRev and ask for the CGI engine to be given to them. 
basically this free feature got removed in favour of revServer, but you can 
still get that older version of Rev (wasn't LC yet), just ask.

> And then there's Rodeo although I haven't seen much mention of that recently
> and I don;t believe it involves LC scripts?

Rodeo is made with LC, but not specific to LC coding.

> So, let's say I have an application in mind that a user will access from
> his/her favorite web browser either on a desktop or perhaps an Android
> device.  On the server, I need to format pages of html to send to the user.
> and access data in an SQL database.  Some of the pages will be static and
> others will change depending on database content.  What are the recommended
> tools to achieve this?

use cgi or on-rev, depending on your budget, and how much you value your own 
time (CGI or revServer on your own host is harder to set up then just buying 
on-rev).

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Re: Setting a dirty flag for a file

[Ken Ray]

> But don't forget that the modifiedMark property only showed up in LC 4.6, and 
> Charles said he's using v. 4.0.

True, but FYI Sean Shao has an external that works with 4.0 that does the same 
thing. I've been using it in Stykz for quite a while. You can contact her if 
you need it...

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Re: Lion 'Gotcha' #1: Creating a Support Folder

[Ken Ray]

On Jul 21, 2011, at 6:52 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> put (specialFolderPath("asup") & "/Test") into tSupportFolder
> create folder tSupportFolder

Whoops! Just read Josh Mellicker's report on this... ignore this post!



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Re: The Multitude of LC web dev tools

[Richard Gaskin]

Pete Haworth wrote:


So, let's say I have an application in mind that a user will access from
his/her favorite web browser either on a desktop or perhaps an Android
device.  On the server, I need to format pages of html to send to the user.
 and access data in an SQL database.  Some of the pages will be static and
others will change depending on database content.  What are the recommended
tools to achieve this?


PHP.

:)

But seriously, revBrowser is for client-side desktop apps, so that won't 
affect what you want to build for use in any browser.


revServer is the core LiveCode engine.

On-Rev is a hosting option which comes bundled with revServer (though 
you can run revServer on nearly any Linux host).


revIgniter is a framework that uses revServer.

So to build what you need with LiveCode you'd use revServer, and 
optionally revIgniter (a good choice for making short work of complex apps).


--
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Re: Lion problem report and fix

[Ken Ray]

On Jul 21, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Josh Mellicker wrote:
> 
>> Just wanted to let everyone know, Lion permissions default to not allowing 
>> Livecode to create folders in "/Library/Application Support/" with the 
>> "create folder" command.
> 
> I believe that's true with earlier versions as well if the current user is 
> not admin.

I tried doing the same thing as Josh as an admin user and got the same result 
(see my errant "Lion 'Gotcha' #1" post). It's definitely a Lion thing, although 
why /Application Support is more secured under Lion than under Snow Leopard is 
beyond me...

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Re: Lion problem report and fix

[Josh Mellicker]

On Jul 21, 2011, at 4:31 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 7/21/11 5:17 PM, Marty Knapp wrote:
>> Interestingly, the user's Library folder, and thus the Application
>> Support folder is invisible on my Lion install. I can write to it OK,
>> though (only tested as admin).
> 
> I was just reading about this. Apparently you can hold down the Option key 
> while choosing the Go menu in the Finder, and a Library item appears.


This works on my machine


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Re: Lion problem report and fix

[J. Landman Gay]

On 7/21/11 6:44 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

Hmmm... doesn't work like that for me. It still remembers the last
thing I had entered. Are you talking about Got to folder?


The Go menu in the Finder:



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Re: Lion problem report and fix

[Josh Mellicker]

On Jul 21, 2011, at 4:08 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Josh Mellicker wrote:
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Josh,
>>> 
>>> That's seems normal, since /Library isn't a user folder. Are you sure this 
>>> is Lion-specific?
>> 
>> Yes, at least with all the copies of Lion we've encountered so far.
> 
> Is it any different in Snow Leopard?


Yes:

In Snow Leopard and previous:

1. the Livecode command "create folder" WORKS in /Library/Application Support/
(note this is not in the user folder)

2. files CAN be downloaded to folders within that folder

(As Richard noted, this is when the current logged in user is the admin user, 
which for us is 99.9% of the time)



In Lion:

1. the Livecode command "create folder" does NOT work in /Library/Application 
Support/
(but executing a shell command sudo mkdir does work)

2. files can NOT be downloaded to folders within that folder
(but after a shell command changing permissions to 777, this fixes it)


---

On the topic of "where do we put stuff (needed support files) in OS X", I 
remember Ken Ray had a great article on this… we decided on 
/Library/Application Support/, it has been working great until yesterday :-)

We are now changing on OS X so that support files will be downloaded and housed 
inside the Mac application package in the Applications directory.)



[OT] By the way, many people write web apps in Javascript, HTML5, PHP, etc., 
and have nightmares about browser incompatibilities, while we are very happy to 
write desktop apps in Livecode that are far faster to develop and offer a much 
better user experience. (In a sane world 95% of developers would work in 
Livecode and only the crazy few would deal with writing web apps.)

However, there's always the client objection of "we don't want to make the user 
install an app". (Whereas the same clients feel it's fine to require the user 
to install Silverlight, Adobe AIR, a new version of the Flash plugin, a Java 
app, or some other plugin to use their web app)

So, Ken Ray wrote us some ultra-cool installers that make installing our app 
faster and easier than any of the browser plugin, effectively making a Livecode 
app just as easy for the user, if not easier than many web applications. If you 
want an awesome installation experience, Ken is your guy!

So, think "Beyond the Browser" (R. Gaskin quote), the web is dead, we are now 
in the Age of the App!
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Your

[Charles Szasz]

Sean,

Ken Ray indicated that you have an external for Rev 4.0. Do you have a web site 
where I can download your MacWindows external? 

Charles Szasz
csz...@mac.com





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Re: OT: It's Android Jim, but not as we know it (what CPUs does Livecode compile to?)

[J. Landman Gay]

On 7/21/11 6:02 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote:


If someone provides me with an identifiable free app from the Android
Marketplace which was coded in Livecode, then I can go back to the
store and see if I can find, install and run it.


I'm not sure there are any yet. Someone asked on the forums and last I 
looked there were no responses. I'd be happy to compile the Hello World 
example for you to test. If you're game for that, drop me an email 
offlist and we can figure out logistics.


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Re: Lion problem report and fix

[Shao Sean]

On the topic of "where do we put stuff (needed support files) in OS  
X", I remember Ken Ray had a great article on this… we decided on / 
Library/Application Support/, it has been working great until  
yesterday :-)


Best to just use the user's application support folder.. If I remember  
correctly, Apple will deny your Mac App from the store if you try to  
write to the system application support folder..


We are now changing on OS X so that support files will be downloaded  
and housed inside the Mac application package in the Applications  
directory.)


Always a bad idea, and this will cause your app to get denied from the  
app store for sure..


While it is true that the majority of users are running as an admin  
account on their own single-user machine and you can get around the  
limitations imposed by Apple by running sudo commands, think about a  
corporate/educational/shared environment where your attempt to run  
sudo will fail, the elevated privs through AppleScript will fail (and  
even Rev's new elevated privs feature will fail).. By coding according  
to the rules laid out you can save yourself headaches in the future..

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Re: on-Rev client software

[Mark Wieder]

Jacque-

Thursday, July 21, 2011, 8:48:17 AM, you wrote:

> I'd love to see cave paintings. :) Yesterday RR released a dozen or so
> lessons on the new server product. If you go to the Lessons area of the
> web site and do a search for "server" you'll probably turn up most of them.

Right, but this is about on-rev, not about the LC server product. To
my knowledge RR hasn't updated the server installation on the on-rev
machines yet. And the transition path hasn't been made clear. And
whether the ancient and dreaded on-rev client will work with the new
server is an open question.

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Re: Lion problem report and fix

[Bob Sneidar]

OH! This is if you are running Lion. Not Snow Leopard. 

Bob


On Jul 21, 2011, at 5:28 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 7/21/11 6:44 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> Hmmm... doesn't work like that for me. It still remembers the last
>> thing I had entered. Are you talking about Got to folder?
> 
> The Go menu in the Finder:
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Lion problem report and fix

[Bob Sneidar]

Just to weigh in here, anytime an application is installed, the OS asks for 
credentials. I assume this runs the installer with those admin credentials? If 
that is the case, then I think that anytime you want to put something in a 
System folder like Library and such, it would be a good idea to shell it using 
sudo. This assures you will always succeed. 

I have long thought it a bit irritating when software installs in the current 
user's profile without even asking, and then cannot be used in other profiles. 

Bob


On Jul 21, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> 
> On Jul 21, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> Josh Mellicker wrote:
>> 
>>> Just wanted to let everyone know, Lion permissions default to not allowing 
>>> Livecode to create folders in "/Library/Application Support/" with the 
>>> "create folder" command.
>> 
>> I believe that's true with earlier versions as well if the current user is 
>> not admin.
> 
> I tried doing the same thing as Josh as an admin user and got the same result 
> (see my errant "Lion 'Gotcha' #1" post). It's definitely a Lion thing, 
> although why /Application Support is more secured under Lion than under Snow 
> Leopard is beyond me...
> 
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Re: Detecting Different Versions of Livecode

[Mark Wieder]

Pete-

Thursday, July 21, 2011, 4:27:34 PM, you wrote:

> Thanks - revLicenseInfo is what I was looking for (not documented in the
> dictionary)

revLicenseType() changed with rev 4.5, so don't rely on that one.

But can anyone tell me what revLicenseInfo returns for a Personal
license? Not having one I can't investigate this myself, and my
queries to the rev team have gone unanswered.

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Re: Detecting Different Versions of Livecode

[Pete Haworth]

Yep, saw in the dictionary it would be deprecated.

Here's the output from revLicenseInfo on my computer - I have a personal
desktop license with Android added in:

   Peter Haworth


Personal

1

Android


Local


Maybe you could tell me what you get for whatever license you have?

Pete



On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Mark Wieder  wrote:

> Pete-
>
> Thursday, July 21, 2011, 4:27:34 PM, you wrote:
>
> > Thanks - revLicenseInfo is what I was looking for (not documented in the
> > dictionary)
>
> revLicenseType() changed with rev 4.5, so don't rely on that one.
>
> But can anyone tell me what revLicenseInfo returns for a Personal
> license? Not having one I can't investigate this myself, and my
> queries to the rev team have gone unanswered.
>
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>
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Re: [ANN] New plugin AAG|Workspaces

[Mark Wieder]

Pete-

Thursday, July 21, 2011, 11:48:27 AM, you wrote:

> Just downloaded GLX2 from bitbucket and I don't see a split screen
> capability, at least no obvious way of doing it.

Used to be in there. Lemme poke around a bit and see if it's still in
the code. I can't remember how to invoke it either.

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Re: Lion problem report and fix

[Pete Haworth]

I guess the question here is where on earth are you supposed to put an
application's files if you want them to be available to all users?  It seems
like /Library/Application Support makes sense but apparently Apple have
decided otherwise.  I hope they have published a guideline somewhere that
explains how to handle this situation.

Pete



On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:

> Just to weigh in here, anytime an application is installed, the OS asks for
> credentials. I assume this runs the installer with those admin credentials?
> If that is the case, then I think that anytime you want to put something in
> a System folder like Library and such, it would be a good idea to shell it
> using sudo. This assures you will always succeed.
>
> I have long thought it a bit irritating when software installs in the
> current user's profile without even asking, and then cannot be used in other
> profiles.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Jul 21, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
>
> >
> > On Jul 21, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >
> >> Josh Mellicker wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just wanted to let everyone know, Lion permissions default to not
> allowing Livecode to create folders in "/Library/Application Support/" with
> the "create folder" command.
> >>
> >> I believe that's true with earlier versions as well if the current user
> is not admin.
> >
> > I tried doing the same thing as Josh as an admin user and got the same
> result (see my errant "Lion 'Gotcha' #1" post). It's definitely a Lion
> thing, although why /Application Support is more secured under Lion than
> under Snow Leopard is beyond me...
> >
> > Ken Ray
> > Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> > Email: k...@sonsothunder.com
> > Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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Re: on-Rev client software

[J. Landman Gay]

On 7/21/11 7:52 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

Jacque-

Thursday, July 21, 2011, 8:48:17 AM, you wrote:


I'd love to see cave paintings. :) Yesterday RR released a dozen or so
lessons on the new server product. If you go to the Lessons area of the
web site and do a search for "server" you'll probably turn up most of them.


Right, but this is about on-rev, not about the LC server product.


Oh. You mean, just like the subject says...

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Re: OT: It's Android Jim, but not as we know it (what CPUs does Livecode compile to?)

[Roger Eller]

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 8:46 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 7/21/11 6:02 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote:
>
>  If someone provides me with an identifiable free app from the Android
>> Marketplace which was coded in Livecode, then I can go back to the
>> store and see if I can find, install and run it.
>>
>
> I'm not sure there are any yet. Someone asked on the forums and last I
> looked there were no responses. I'd be happy to compile the Hello World
> example for you to test. If you're game for that, drop me an email offlist
> and we can figure out logistics.
>
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>
>
My Android tablet has the nVidia Tegra2 dual-core CPU (which is ARM based),
and my LiveCode apps are working great, as are many apps I have installed
from the Android Market.

Earlier, Bernard wrote:
   > I guess I'm really hoping for too much to think that Livecode could run
on a Tegra
   > (I know the Linux IDE is only compiled for intel).

I seriously doubt that RunRev intends for the IDE to run on mobile, if that
is your intent for getting the Asus Transformer.  As an Android testing
device, it should be fine.

˜Roger
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Re: Lion problem report and fix

[Josh Mellicker]

On Jul 21, 2011, at 5:50 PM, Shao Sean wrote:

>> On the topic of "where do we put stuff (needed support files) in OS X", I 
>> remember Ken Ray had a great article on this… we decided on 
>> /Library/Application Support/, it has been working great until yesterday :-)
> 
> Best to just use the user's application support folder.. If I remember 
> correctly, Apple will deny your Mac App from the store if you try to write to 
> the system application support folder..
> 
>> We are now changing on OS X so that support files will be downloaded and 
>> housed inside the Mac application package in the Applications directory.)
> 
> Always a bad idea, and this will cause your app to get denied from the app 
> store for sure..
> 
> While it is true that the majority of users are running as an admin account 
> on their own single-user machine and you can get around the limitations 
> imposed by Apple by running sudo commands, think about a 
> corporate/educational/shared environment where your attempt to run sudo will 
> fail, the elevated privs through AppleScript will fail (and even Rev's new 
> elevated privs feature will fail).. By coding according to the rules laid out 
> you can save yourself headaches in the future..


Hmmm…. I stand corrected. Now, we are getting an error message when trying to 
execute the sudo command.

"sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified"

So, we are going to take Shao's sagely advice and try ~/Library/Application 
support.


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Re: Lion problem report and fix

[Bob Sneidar]

With respect to all posters, this is silly. If the answer to "How do we make 
applications available to all users" is, "You can't do that!", then something 
is broke and it needs fixing. Nothing says "cheesy app from inexperienced 
programmers made with sub-par development tools" like apps that have no 
universal install capability. I am not saying anyone qualifies, but that is 
what it will seem like to anyone you try to sell your applications to. 

My 2¢

Bob


On Jul 21, 2011, at 5:50 PM, Shao Sean wrote:

> Always a bad idea, and this will cause your app to get denied from the app 
> store for sure..
> 
> While it is true that the majority of users are running as an admin account 
> on their own single-user machine and you can get around the limitations 
> imposed by Apple by running sudo commands, think about a 
> corporate/educational/shared environment where your attempt to run sudo will 
> fail, the elevated privs through AppleScript will fail (and even Rev's new 
> elevated privs feature will fail).. By coding according to the rules laid out 
> you can save yourself headaches in the future..


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Moving a folder

[Chip Thomas]

What's the best way to move a folder (with all contents) on a user's system?

rename folder tOldFolder to tNewFolder

revMoveFolder tOldFolder, tNewFolder

or using a shell command


Concerned about potential permissions issue that would prevent a proper
move.  What's the best way around that?
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Re: Moving a folder

[Bob Sneidar]

Never done it, but I imagine you could shell out to check the permissions of 
where you are moving to. I don't know if there is a shell command to check 
effective permissions of the current user. If there are, do that. Barring that, 
a safer way would be to copy the files, check to make sure there were no 
errors, if there are bail, if there are not then delete the original. 

Bob


On Jul 21, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Chip Thomas wrote:

> What's the best way to move a folder (with all contents) on a user's system?
> 
> rename folder tOldFolder to tNewFolder
> 
> revMoveFolder tOldFolder, tNewFolder
> 
> or using a shell command
> 
> 
> Concerned about potential permissions issue that would prevent a proper
> move.  What's the best way around that?
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Re: Moving a folder

[Roger Eller]

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Never done it, but I imagine you could shell out to check the permissions
> of where you are moving to. I don't know if there is a shell command to
> check effective permissions of the current user. If there are, do that.
> Barring that, a safer way would be to copy the files, check to make sure
> there were no errors, if there are bail, if there are not then delete the
> original.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Jul 21, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Chip Thomas wrote:
>
> > What's the best way to move a folder (with all contents) on a user's
> system?
> >
> > rename folder tOldFolder to tNewFolder
> >
> > revMoveFolder tOldFolder, tNewFolder
> >
> > or using a shell command
> >
> >
> > Concerned about potential permissions issue that would prevent a proper
> > move.  What's the best way around that?
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My preference is to not use shell commands unless you really must.  By using
LC native as much as possible, there is less work when you meed it to work
on more than a single platform.  If memory serves, the rename command was
the better of the two, as one of them would only work with an empty folder,
and the other would move a folder and its contents.

˜Roger
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