AW: AW: Can you realise a transparent hover color for buttons?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hi Ken,
it's amazing, that there is still a solution, when you think you're at the
end of the features :)
Thank you for your ideas
Tiemo

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:use-revolution-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Ken Ray
> Gesendet: Freitag, 12. September 2008 08:49
> An: Use Revolution List
> Betreff: Re: AW: Can you realise a transparent hover color for buttons?
> 
> 
> > that does almost the trick, beside the blendlevel does affect not only
> the
> > backgroundcolor, but also the text.
> 
> So you want the everything but the text to go transparent? You mentioned
> "like the menu items of MS Office products on Win" - which version of
> Office
> are you talking about?
> 
> If you wanted to keep the text from blending but have everything else
> blend,
> you could overlay a transparent button on top of one that was blended 50%;
> if you need to have an icon attached to the button (so the text is below
> the
> icon), the transparent button's icon would be 0 and you would need to set
> the margins of the transparent button to shift the text label of the
> button
> down to match.
> 
> Here's an example of what I mean (Rev 2.9, Windows):
> 
> 1) Drag a push button off of the Tools palette
> 2) Open the inspector and assign icon ID 210001 (the stop sign) to the
> button, and change the height to 65.
> 3) Control-drag off a copy of the button.
> 4) Execute "set the blendLevel of btn 1 to 50" in the message box.
> 5) Select the copy (btn 2), and remove the icon, change the style to
> Transparent.
> 6) Execute "set the loc of btn 2 to the loc of btn 1" in the message box
> to
> overlay the two buttons.
> 7) Execute "set the margins of btn 2 to 4,50,4,4" in the message box.
> 
> You should now have a 50% blended button, but with black text. To see the
> hover effect, set the script of btn 2 to:
> 
> on mouseEnter
>   set the blendLevel of btn 1 to 0
> end mouseEnter
> 
> on mouseLeave
>   set the blendLevel of btn 1 to 50
> end mouseLeave
> 
> This may not be exactly what you're looking for, but perhaps it will give
> you some ideas of what you can do...
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> 
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AW: AW: AW: AW: AW: slown down of IDE 2.9 under windows

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hi Richard,

> 
> They're up to v9.5 and still have that text limit?  Odd.  Coupled with
> the multi-year span between v7 and v8, I gotta wonder what's up with
> that code base.

Yes they are still limited even in the upcoming 9.5 Version! They just came
out last year with the 32Bit version 9 and their major development efforts
are not going any more into the "native development", but into the DHTML
development, like you see with Safari support for ipod, which are really
nice, but not of value for me.
Tiemo


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Re: AW: Can you realise a transparent hover color for buttons?

[Ken Ray]

> that does almost the trick, beside the blendlevel does affect not only the
> backgroundcolor, but also the text.

So you want the everything but the text to go transparent? You mentioned
"like the menu items of MS Office products on Win" - which version of Office
are you talking about?

If you wanted to keep the text from blending but have everything else blend,
you could overlay a transparent button on top of one that was blended 50%;
if you need to have an icon attached to the button (so the text is below the
icon), the transparent button's icon would be 0 and you would need to set
the margins of the transparent button to shift the text label of the button
down to match.

Here's an example of what I mean (Rev 2.9, Windows):

1) Drag a push button off of the Tools palette
2) Open the inspector and assign icon ID 210001 (the stop sign) to the
button, and change the height to 65.
3) Control-drag off a copy of the button.
4) Execute "set the blendLevel of btn 1 to 50" in the message box.
5) Select the copy (btn 2), and remove the icon, change the style to
Transparent.
6) Execute "set the loc of btn 2 to the loc of btn 1" in the message box to
overlay the two buttons.
7) Execute "set the margins of btn 2 to 4,50,4,4" in the message box.

You should now have a 50% blended button, but with black text. To see the
hover effect, set the script of btn 2 to:

on mouseEnter
  set the blendLevel of btn 1 to 0
end mouseEnter

on mouseLeave
  set the blendLevel of btn 1 to 50
end mouseLeave

This may not be exactly what you're looking for, but perhaps it will give
you some ideas of what you can do...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


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Re: QT: how do I determine wheter a chosen file is within the same folder as a new chosen destination folder?

[William de Smet]

Thanks Ken,
You make my day!

And I learned again :-)

greetings,

William

2008/9/12 Ken Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>
> > on mouseUp
> >   answer file "Kies bestand:"
> > if the result is "Cancel"
> > then exit mouseUp
> >   else put it into bLijst
> >
> > answer folder "Kies map" -- selection of destination folder
> >   if the result is "Cancel" then exit mouseUp
> >   put it & "/" into bMap
> > end mouseup
> >
> > After this I write back a new file into bMap.
> > But...I don't want destfolder to be the same folder as where the chosen
> file
> > is in.
> > Otherwise the file will be overwritten.
> >
> > I tried with:
> > if filePath bLijst is within filePath bMap then answer error "Fout!"
> > but that doesn't work.
> >
> > Any idea's?
>
> Yes... do this:
>
> if (char 1 to length(bMap) of bLijst) = bMap then
>   -- in same folder
> else
>   -- in different folder
> end if
>
> Ken Ray
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Re: QT: how do I determine wheter a chosen file is within the same folder as a new chosen destination folder?

[Ken Ray]

> on mouseUp
>   answer file "Kies bestand:"
> if the result is "Cancel"
> then exit mouseUp
>   else put it into bLijst
> 
> answer folder "Kies map" -- selection of destination folder
>   if the result is "Cancel" then exit mouseUp
>   put it & "/" into bMap
> end mouseup
> 
> After this I write back a new file into bMap.
> But...I don't want destfolder to be the same folder as where the chosen file
> is in.
> Otherwise the file will be overwritten.
> 
> I tried with:
> if filePath bLijst is within filePath bMap then answer error "Fout!"
> but that doesn't work.
> 
> Any idea's?

Yes... do this:

if (char 1 to length(bMap) of bLijst) = bMap then
   -- in same folder
else
   -- in different folder
end if

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


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Re: Zipping an application package by script

[Ken Ray]

> function altGoodMacSystemForUnzip
>   put systemVersion() into tNum
>   set itemDel to "."
>   put item 1 of tNum into t1
>   put item 2 of tNum into t2
>   put item 3 of tNum into t3
>   if t1 < 10 then return false
>   if t2 < 2 then return false
>   if t2 = 2 and t3 > 8 then return true
>   if t2 > 2 then return true
>   return false
> end altGoodMacSystemForUnzip

Hey Chipp, FYI, here's a shorter way of performing the same check:

function altGoodMacSystemForUnzip
   put systemVersion() into tNum
   split tNum by "."
   return (tNum[1]>=10 and ((tNum[2]=2 and tNum[3]>8) or (tNum[2] >2)))
end altGoodMacSystemForUnzip


Ken Ray
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QT: how do I determine wheter a chosen file is within the same folder as a new chosen destination folder?

[William de Smet]

Hi there,
I do two things :

on mouseUp
  answer file "Kies bestand:"
if the result is "Cancel"
then exit mouseUp
  else put it into bLijst

answer folder "Kies map" -- selection of destination folder
  if the result is "Cancel" then exit mouseUp
  put it & "/" into bMap
end mouseup

After this I write back a new file into bMap.
But...I don't want destfolder to be the same folder as where the chosen file
is in.
Otherwise the file will be overwritten.

I tried with:
if filePath bLijst is within filePath bMap then answer error "Fout!"
but that doesn't work.

Any idea's?

Thanks!

greetings,

William de Smet
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Re: Arrays: new and old keys, i

[John Vokey]

On 11-Sep-08, at 7:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Sep 11, 2008, at 5:55 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote:


Now I understand, I didn't consider not to tell rev how many sub
arrays there would be. I have no clue when this would be useful
though, maybe you can explain that?


Sure. One thing that the ability to dynamically specify a key would do
is open up additional algorithms. Let's take the XML for example.

T

... ellipsis intentional

Can anybody explain what the new array format provides that the old  
did not?  All these bizarre examples seem not so much as exemplifying  
the ``new'' features as to leave me baffled as to what added value  
they provide.  In NONE of the supposed or alleged examples have I seen  
anything I could not do with old arrays.  So, and I mean in really  
simple language (not OOP-speak), wtf is up with these new arrays?  I  
see nothing but extra brackets.



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See 

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Re: Printing dilemma

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

Jacqi, Thank you too. Looks like one of these critters will do the job.

Joe Wilkins

On Sep 11, 2008, at 9:30 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

Hey Chipp,
I was hoping there was something like this floating around in Rev.  
I'll get back with the details if it actually does what I'm hoping  
for.


Also look at "print card from ", which allow you to send only  
a portion of the card to the printer.


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RE: Invisible volume slider on audio player

[Jim Schaubeck]

Thanks for the response Chipp,
I have QT installed and I just upgraded to 7.5.5 to make sure.  I still have
the problem (if it helps, these are all wav files).  However, I may not be
*using* QT in runrev (I don't really know how I would find out) but I do
have it and launched it successfully.  This raises another question.  How
would it work on Linux systems without QT?  I'm writing the runrev app with
XP but I will deploy it on a ALIX 3c3 card with imedia Linux.  I can live
without the volume adjust as I can script that but I can't live without the
audio players.  They allow me to play more than one sound simultaneously.

Jim...


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chipp Walters
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:39 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Invisible volume slider on audio player

Do you have QuickTime installed? I am on XP and Rev 3.0 and don't see the
problem--but then again I'm using QT.
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Re: Printing dilemma

[J. Landman Gay]

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

Hey Chipp,

I was hoping there was something like this floating around in Rev. I'll 
get back with the details if it actually does what I'm hoping for.


Also look at "print card from ", which allow you to send only a 
portion of the card to the printer.


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Re: Walking Trees Backwards

[Jim Ault]

To make tab/space runs, this is the function I use

function getIndentSpaces pLevel
  put space into line (pLevel*4) of tempp
  replace cr with space in tempp
  return tempp
end getIndentSpaces

put 1 into tDepth
put "Al, child of the first marriage" into childString
put getIndentSpaces(tDepth) & childString & cr after listing
add 1 to tDepth
put "Betty, child of Al" into childString
put getIndentSpaces(tDepth) & childString & cr after listing
put listing into msg

-
--the same technique will work with
put space into item (pLevel*4) of tempp
replace comma with space in tempp

Of course you could use TAB instead of space.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 9/11/08 6:21 PM, "Alex Tweedly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
>> function buildTree pInput
>># given indented outline of a 'forest' (i.e. multiple rooted trees)
>> build the tree-like data structure
>>set the itemDel to TAB
>>put empty into lParents
>>put 0 into lCurNode # the top-level pseudo-node
>>put -1 into lCurDepth  # -1 to allow for the top-level pseudo-node
>>put 0 into lCount
>>repeat for each line L in pInput
>> 
>>   put getDepth(L) into tDepth
>>   if tDepth < lCurDepth then
>>  # we have popped back up 1 or more levels
>>  put tDepth into lCurDepth
>>  if tDepth = 0 then
>> put 0 into lCurNode
>>  else
>> #put item tDepth+2 of lParents into lCurNode
>> put lCount into lCurNode
>> 
>>  end if
>>   else
>>  if tDepth = lCurDepth then
>> # another node at the same level - no change needed
>> put lCount into lCurNode
>>  else
>> if tDepth > lCurDepth+1 then # badly formed input  !!
>># should probably do something more extreme here
>>return empty
>> end if
>> # so we are here with a new increase in indent level
>> put lCurNode & TAB after lParents
>> 
>>  end if
>>   end if
>>   put L into Data[lCount, 'text']
>>   put item -1 of lParents into tParent
>>   put tParent into Data[lCount, 'parent']
>>   put lCount & TAB after Data[tParent, 'children']
>>   put tDepth into lCurDepth
>>end repeat
>>return Data
>> end buildTree


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Re: is there a shell command on windows to unzip a file?

[Chipp Walters]

Not that I'm aware of. See my reply on Steve's thread for unzipping using
Rev's own zip.dll.

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Josh Mellicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is there a shell command built into windows (without installing anything
> extra) to unzip a file?
>
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Re: Zipping an application package by script

[Chipp Walters]

OOPS, the previous routines depended on Altuit's revZipper.dll for windows.
This one works with Rev's versions. I still use the altUnzip one above for
Mac. This is a more dedicated one, but I'm sure the necessary bits can be
used. Sorry if this has already been handled.
on UnzipWxPythonZip
  put mgcTempPath() & "/" & "wxPythonPC.zip" into tZipPath
  if there is not a file tZipPath then
answer information "No file to Unzip!" &cr& tZipPath
exit to top
  end if

  put gVuePath into tFolderToUnzipTo
  if there is not a folder tFolderToUnzipTo then create folder
tFolderToUnzipTo
  set the cursor to busy
  revUnZip tZipPath,tFolderToUnzipTo
  altBusy false
  if the result is not empty then
answer warning the result
exit to top
  end if
  answer information "WxPython Installed Successfully!"

end UnzipWxPythonZip

on UnzipWxPythonMacZip
  put mgcTempPath() & "/" & "wxPythonMAC.zip" into tZipPath
  if there is not a file tZipPath then
wait 1 second with messages
  end if
  if there is not a file tZipPath then
answer information "No file to Unzip!" &cr& tZipPath
exit to top
  end if
  altBusy true,"Installing Files..."
  put gVuePath into tFolderToUnzipTo
  if there is not a folder tFolderToUnzipTo then create folder
tFolderToUnzipTo
  set the cursor to busy
  altUnZip tZipPath,tFolderToUnzipTo
  altBusy false
  if the result is not empty then
answer warning the result
exit to top
  end if
  answer information "WxPython Installed Successfully!"

end UnzipWxPythonMacZip

I also forgot the WinXP unlock file function in the previous post:

function altUnlockWinFile pFilePath
  if the platform is "Win32" then
put pFilePath into tfile
replace "/" with "\" in tfile
put "attrib"&& quote & tfile & quote && "-R" into DosCommand
put DosCommand
set the hideConsoleWindows to true
put shell (DosCommand)
return true
  end if
end altUnlockWinFile
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Re: Printing dilemma

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

Hey Chipp,

I was hoping there was something like this floating around in Rev.  
I'll get back with the details if it actually does what I'm hoping  
for. I still haven't been able to use Rev's documentation for  
searching stuff very well. It's got some bugs in the dictionary that  
makes searching problematic.


Thanks for your timely response.

Joe Wilkins

On Sep 11, 2008, at 8:36 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:


Hi Joe,
Check out the print into pagerect command. It can print images at  
higher

than screen resolution to your printer.

HTH, Chipp

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Re: Zipping an application package by script

[Chipp Walters]

Coming late to this party..but thought I'd throw this in and see if anyone
needs them...Thanks probably go to Sarah and perhaps Ken, too. Sorry I
sometimes forget who helps :-(

I don't have an altZip routine for Mac but I imagine one could be created
using ditto as well?


on altUnZip pFilePathToUnzip,pFolderPathToUnzipTo,pDeleteAllFirstBool
  --> MAKE FOLDER TO UNZIP TO
  if there is not a folder pFolderPathToUnzipTo then create folder
pFolderPathToUnzipTo
  put the result into tResult
  if tResult is not empty then
put "Could Not Create ZIP folderpath: " & pFolderPathToUnzipTo into
tError
return "Error!! " & tError &cr& tResult
  end if

  if there is not a file pFilePathToUnzip then
put "Error! Could not find ZIP file: " & pFilePathToUnzip into tError
return tError
  end if

  --> CLEAR ALL OLD FILES
  if pDeleteAllFirstBool is true then
put the defaultFolder into tOldDF
set the defaultFolder to pFolderPathToUnzipTo
put the files into tList
repeat for each line L in tList
  delete file L
  put the result into tResult
  if tResult is not empty and the platform is "Win32" then
--> TRY UNLOCKING FILE
get altUnlockWinFile(L)
delete file L
put the result into tResult
if tResult is not empty then
  beep
  answer warning "Cannot Delete file: " & L &cr& tResult
end if
  end if
end repeat
set the defaultFolder to tOldDF
  end if

  switch the platform
  case "MacOS"

--> NOW NEED TO UNZIP IT
if altGoodMacSystemForUnzip() is true then

  --> NEED TO UNZIP IT
  --> ditto -x -k -rsrc /Users/sarah/Desktop/dbsqlitemac102.zip
/Users/sarah/Desktop/

  put pFolderPathToUnzipTo into tPathToUnZipTo
  put "/" after tPathToUnZipTo

  put pFilePathToUnzip into tPath

  put "ditto -x -k -rsrc " & quote & tPath & quote & space & quote &
tPathToUnZipTo "e into tCMD
  put shell(tCMD) into tResult
  if tResult is not "" then
put "Error!! UnZip problem:" &cr& tResult into tErr
return tErr
  else
--> UnZipped correctly, now cleaning up..."
return ""
  end if
else
  --> SYSTEM NOT GOOD FOR UNZIPPING
  put "Error!! This version of MacOS cannot unZip correctly. Please go
to the website to download and install directly." into tErr
  return tErr
end if
break

  case "Win32"
put false into tPreserve
replace "/" with "\" in pFilePathToUnzip
replace "/" with "\" in pFolderPathToUnzipTo
try
  unzip pFilePathToUnzip,pFolderPathToUnzipTo,tPreserve
catch Err
  put "Error!! Unsuccessful unZipped" && tFileName &cr& "No
revzipper.dll" into tError
  return tError
end try
return ""
break

  end switch

end altUnZip

function altGoodMacSystemForUnzip
  put systemVersion() into tNum
  set itemDel to "."
  put item 1 of tNum into t1
  put item 2 of tNum into t2
  put item 3 of tNum into t3
  if t1 < 10 then return false
  if t2 < 2 then return false
  if t2 = 2 and t3 > 8 then return true
  if t2 > 2 then return true
  return false
end altGoodMacSystemForUnzip
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Beta testers wanted

[Bill Vlahos]

I'm looking for people to beta test my new consumer application called  
InfoWallet which is the program I demoed at RevLive.


This application tracks your most important personal information  
including medical, financial, passwords, and license keys.


If you are interested in helping test my application under Macintosh  
OS X, Windows, or Linux please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Thanks,
Bill Vlahos
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RE: Walking Trees Backwards

[Randall Reetz]

Man i am going to post a question to this list and start a company based on the 
code people submit as examples.  You guys are impressive!

-Original Message-
From: "Alex Tweedly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Sent: 9/11/2008 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: Walking Trees Backwards

David Bovill wrote:
> *Task*
> I want to put an indented outline (more generally a tree structure) into an
> array.
>
>   
I suspect I've mis-understood your problem  my "solution" seems so 
straightforward that I may be missing some important part of the desired 
data structure. So I'll re-state the problem in my own words, and then 
give my attempt to solve it  - and hopefully if there is something major 
missing, that should be clear.

Input : an indented outline of text.

Output : a data structure which allows easy (quick, efficient, ) 
access to parent and children nodes of an arbitrary node, thereby making 
it easy to write general (possibly recursive) functions and handlers.

[Aside - often recursion is a good tool to *think* about a problem, but 
the implementation can be sequential  ]

Data structure :  3 arrays, indexed by the line number (node number):
   i, 'text' : the text of that node
   i, 'parent' : the line number of its parent
   i. 'children : a TAB-separated list of line numbers of its children.


Given this, it is easy to write the base functions needed to build 
arbitrary tree-functions.

function getParent pArray, pNode
return pArray[pNode, 'Parent']
end getParent

function getChildren pArray, pNode
   return pArray[pNode, 'Children']
end getChildren

for example - print out all immediate children ...

put getChildren(Data, thisnode) into tChildren
repeat for each item tChild in tChildren
  put Data[tChild, 'Text'] & CR after field 'Output'
end repeat

So - a very simple data structure to build  code is straightforward 
if a little bit tricky

[Sorry - I have a stack ready to put on RevOline but RevOnline has 
decided I need a new key to share stacks, so here is the code in-line ...]
 
(note - only tested a little bit)

> function buildTree pInput
># given indented outline of a 'forest' (i.e. multiple rooted trees) 
> build the tree-like data structure
>set the itemDel to TAB
>put empty into lParents
>put 0 into lCurNode # the top-level pseudo-node
>put -1 into lCurDepth  # -1 to allow for the top-level pseudo-node
>put 0 into lCount
>repeat for each line L in pInput
>
>   put getDepth(L) into tDepth
>   if tDepth < lCurDepth then
>  # we have popped back up 1 or more levels
>  put tDepth into lCurDepth
>  if tDepth = 0 then
> put 0 into lCurNode
>  else
> #put item tDepth+2 of lParents into lCurNode
> put lCount into lCurNode
>
>  end if
>   else
>  if tDepth = lCurDepth then
> # another node at the same level - no change needed
> put lCount into lCurNode
>  else
> if tDepth > lCurDepth+1 then # badly formed input  !!
># should probably do something more extreme here
>return empty
> end if
> # so we are here with a new increase in indent level
> put lCurNode & TAB after lParents
>
>  end if
>   end if
>   put L into Data[lCount, 'text']
>   put item -1 of lParents into tParent
>   put tParent into Data[lCount, 'parent']
>   put lCount & TAB after Data[tParent, 'children']
>   put tDepth into lCurDepth
>end repeat
>return Data
> end buildTree

Hope that does something like what you wanted,
-- Alex.
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Re: Invisible volume slider on audio player

[Chipp Walters]

Do you have QuickTime installed? I am on XP and Rev 3.0 and don't see the
problem--but then again I'm using QT.
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Re: Printing dilemma

[Chipp Walters]

Hi Joe,
Check out the print into pagerect command. It can print images at higher
than screen resolution to your printer.

HTH, Chipp
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Re: Mirye Monthly Release: Mirye RevCamp Issue 809

[Chipp Walters]

We Rev'ers should be so lucky to have to have this discussion. Sheesh.
Really-- how many commercial 3rd party add-ons are really available for Rev?
As one who actually did the math, I can tell you building 3rd party products
for Rev provides little in the way of a 'real' revenue return--and certainly
not enough to keep a business sustainable.
So, if you have information on commercial 3rd party products for us, I have
ZERO problem with it taking up 0.5% of the noise level on this list. We all
have our, how do I say, less pertinent (TO ME) issues like WebKit-- which
btw, according to Chris is not a simple cut and paste to start using in Rev.

So, just 'pass on by' if you're not interested. I seriously doubt our list
risks inundation of Rev OEM and 3rd party announcements here.

And Mark, if you have such a newsletter announcing products for us Rev
users, than by all means, I'm interested in hearing about it.

How about cutting Lynn a break on this one?
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Re: Arrays: new and old keys, i

[Trevor DeVore]

On Sep 11, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote:

I see now, but I'm still thinking about alternatives that make you  
not use "do". You say your script is recursively walking trough the  
XML. But that would allow to only use a one dimensional array  
assignment. I tried to look at your code, but it's too hard for me  
to understand, oh and I also hate XML, so I made a directory walker  
example instead :)


The XML code works without using do. Since it is recursive there is no  
need for worrying about multi-dimensional keys. I actually chose the  
recursive technique because I would have had to use 'do' in order to  
use an iterative algorithm.


Basically the code returns an array, which is put into the parent  
array, which is then put into the parent array, which is put into  
it's parent array, etc. Would this be applicable to your XML code?  
Also, I am not sure how to do the reverse, to make folders out of  
the array (creating XML).


Your function is set up pretty much like the current XML converter.

The code where I currently use 'do' deals with converting SQL columns  
and rows into a multi-dimensional array that mimics the parent/child  
relationships of the tables in the SQL query. This is slightly more  
complex then converting XML to an array since databases return flat  
results and you have to manually determine the hierarchy.


I'm calling functions recursively but I am working on a reference to  
the array that I am generating so there is no copying of data. Using  
'do' came about because you can't pass array keys by reference. So  
instead I pass a string representing the array element to act on  
instead (i.e. [1][table][2]) and use that in conjunction with 'do'.  
Once the engine allows variable references to be used with array keys  
then out comes the 'do' and I get a speed bump.


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Re: Re: chat protocols

[Andre Garzia]

There is a jabber lib and I missed it? :-O

Malte,

another thing people are using are those micro blogging tools such as
twitter, tumblr, pownce... twitter is the most popular and their api
is dead easy (single line libURL call to post)


Andre

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> Andre: Thanks. It appears M$ changed their protocol, so I will need to get
> in touch with S.
>
> David: I am VERY interested to learn more about your library.
>
> All the best,
>
> Malte
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Invisible volume slider on audio player

[Jim Schaubeck]

Using a visible audio player, I do not see the volume adjust slider when I
click the little speaker icon on the player to adjust he volume.  The player
works fine and in fact the volume is getting adjusted as I drag the mouse up
and down.  But, the little "indicator ball" does not appear.  FYI.I use XP
Pro, Rev 3.0

 

If I move the player close to the left side of the card, I can see the
slider on the desktop.  I just can't see it on the card.weird.

 

Any ideas?

 

Jim.

 

 

 

 

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Printing dilemma

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

I have a stack whose cards have a variety of pictures/graphics on  
them. I would like to be able to define the area to be printed for  
each card. I know this can be done in other languages, but can it be  
done with RR? Essentially I want to grab part of the screen and print  
only that area.


TIA,

Joe Wilkins
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Re: Access to Rev User Interface Controls

[Mikey]

Yes.  The fact that the IDE is bootstrapped is wonderful, because so
much in RR is hackable.  I've written several hacks to date to add
features that I could have waited years for otherwise.

It is a nice balance - the engine is compiled and out of the way, but
the rest is interpreted so I don't have to edit, compile, debug,
repeat before getting something useful.  In addition, the interpreted
nature means that it is trivial to drop in, read, debug, tweak, and
get out.  This is much better than doing it in many other tools that
are just built for raw speed and to hide the details from you at the
expense of being able to have the freedom to have at it.
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Re: Using arrow keys to move from card to card

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

I figured as much, but no one else had responded today. If I had the  
same problem, I think I'd create a new cd 10 - just like 9 or 11 - and  
move everything from the existing 10 to the new one. I realize that  
may not be as easy as one might think, but it might be worth trying.  
What kind of stuff is on cd 10? Do this with HC would be much easier  
than with RR I suspect, but I'd be checking out the clone card command  
in RR.


Good luck,

Joe Wilkins

On Sep 11, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Petrides, M.D. Marian wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion, Joe.  Unfortunately, there's nothing in  
any of the handlers in the stack that uses ArrowKeys.  I could swear  
I once found a check box in one of the object inspectors that solved  
the problem, but I can't find it now.  I'm using 2.9 BTW.


On Sep 11, 2008, at 6:43 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

Since I often do such things with the on ArrowKeys handlers, check  
cd 10's script and any object on cd 10 that may have an ON  
ArrowKeys handler. Could also be on a stack handler that provides  
an exception. In which cases you may need to do a pass ArrowKeys  
statement in one of these.

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Re: Walking Trees Backwards

[Alex Tweedly]

David Bovill wrote:

*Task*
I want to put an indented outline (more generally a tree structure) into an
array.

  
I suspect I've mis-understood your problem  my "solution" seems so 
straightforward that I may be missing some important part of the desired 
data structure. So I'll re-state the problem in my own words, and then 
give my attempt to solve it  - and hopefully if there is something major 
missing, that should be clear.


Input : an indented outline of text.

Output : a data structure which allows easy (quick, efficient, ) 
access to parent and children nodes of an arbitrary node, thereby making 
it easy to write general (possibly recursive) functions and handlers.


[Aside - often recursion is a good tool to *think* about a problem, but 
the implementation can be sequential  ]


Data structure :  3 arrays, indexed by the line number (node number):
  i, 'text' : the text of that node
  i, 'parent' : the line number of its parent
  i. 'children : a TAB-separated list of line numbers of its children.


Given this, it is easy to write the base functions needed to build 
arbitrary tree-functions.


function getParent pArray, pNode
   return pArray[pNode, 'Parent']
end getParent

function getChildren pArray, pNode
  return pArray[pNode, 'Children']
end getChildren

for example - print out all immediate children ...

put getChildren(Data, thisnode) into tChildren
repeat for each item tChild in tChildren
 put Data[tChild, 'Text'] & CR after field 'Output'
end repeat

So - a very simple data structure to build  code is straightforward 
if a little bit tricky


[Sorry - I have a stack ready to put on RevOline but RevOnline has 
decided I need a new key to share stacks, so here is the code in-line ...]


(note - only tested a little bit)


function buildTree pInput
   # given indented outline of a 'forest' (i.e. multiple rooted trees) 
build the tree-like data structure

   set the itemDel to TAB
   put empty into lParents
   put 0 into lCurNode # the top-level pseudo-node
   put -1 into lCurDepth  # -1 to allow for the top-level pseudo-node
   put 0 into lCount
   repeat for each line L in pInput

  put getDepth(L) into tDepth
  if tDepth < lCurDepth then
 # we have popped back up 1 or more levels
 put tDepth into lCurDepth
 if tDepth = 0 then
put 0 into lCurNode
 else
#put item tDepth+2 of lParents into lCurNode
put lCount into lCurNode

 end if
  else
 if tDepth = lCurDepth then
# another node at the same level - no change needed
put lCount into lCurNode
 else
if tDepth > lCurDepth+1 then # badly formed input  !!
   # should probably do something more extreme here
   return empty
end if
# so we are here with a new increase in indent level
put lCurNode & TAB after lParents

 end if
  end if
  put L into Data[lCount, 'text']
  put item -1 of lParents into tParent
  put tParent into Data[lCount, 'parent']
  put lCount & TAB after Data[tParent, 'children']
  put tDepth into lCurDepth
   end repeat
   return Data
end buildTree


Hope that does something like what you wanted,
-- Alex.
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Re: Using arrow keys to move from card to card

[Petrides, M.D. Marian]

Bingo. Problem solved!  Field was locked but I inadvertently did not  
turn focusable off.  Did that and all is well. Thanks, Terry.


Oh, and for anyone else looking for the toggle to turn keyboard  
navigation on and off, it is in the Revs Preferences menu item.  That  
wasn't the problem in this case, however.


On Sep 11, 2008, at 8:16 PM, Terry Judd wrote:

Is there an unlocked field that has focus on this cd? It could be  
eating up

your keystrokes.


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Re: Using arrow keys to move from card to card

[Terry Judd]

Is there an unlocked field that has focus on this cd? It could be eating up
your keystrokes.

Terry...


On 12/9/08 11:11 AM, "Petrides, M.D. Marian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestion, Joe.  Unfortunately, there's nothing in any
> of the handlers in the stack that uses ArrowKeys.  I could swear I
> once found a check box in one of the object inspectors that solved the
> problem, but I can't find it now.  I'm using 2.9 BTW.
> 
> On Sep 11, 2008, at 6:43 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> 
>> Since I often do such things with the on ArrowKeys handlers, check
>> cd 10's script and any object on cd 10 that may have an ON ArrowKeys
>> handler. Could also be on a stack handler that provides an
>> exception. In which cases you may need to do a pass ArrowKeys
>> statement in one of these.
>> 
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Re: Using arrow keys to move from card to card

[Petrides, M.D. Marian]

Thanks for the suggestion, Joe.  Unfortunately, there's nothing in any  
of the handlers in the stack that uses ArrowKeys.  I could swear I  
once found a check box in one of the object inspectors that solved the  
problem, but I can't find it now.  I'm using 2.9 BTW.


On Sep 11, 2008, at 6:43 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

Since I often do such things with the on ArrowKeys handlers, check  
cd 10's script and any object on cd 10 that may have an ON ArrowKeys  
handler. Could also be on a stack handler that provides an  
exception. In which cases you may need to do a pass ArrowKeys  
statement in one of these.



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Re: Access to Rev User Interface Controls

[Gregory Lypny]

Thanks, Eric.  The Shift key is what I was missing!  Good stuff.

Gregory

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008, at 4:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:



The best way to access IDE objects is:

1. In Preferences General pane check the 'Contextual menus work in
Revolution windows' box.
2. Then use Shift/Control/Option (Alt) click to make the contextual
menu showing up.
3. Do all you want.

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.


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Re: Arrays: new and old keys, i

[Björnke von Gierke]

I see now, but I'm still thinking about alternatives that make you not  
use "do". You say your script is recursively walking trough the XML.  
But that would allow to only use a one dimensional array assignment. I  
tried to look at your code, but it's too hard for me to understand, oh  
and I also hate XML, so I made a directory walker example instead :)


Basically the code returns an array, which is put into the parent  
array, which is then put into the parent array, which is put into it's  
parent array, etc. Would this be applicable to your XML code? Also, I  
am not sure how to do the reverse, to make folders out of the array  
(creating XML).


---example script, do not use on your whole hard drive

global theArray
on mouseUp
   put "" into theArray
   answer folder ""
   if the result = "" and it <> "" then
  set the defaultfolder to it
  put it into currFolder
  put the files into theArray["files"]
  put the folders into theNodes
  filter theNodes without ".*"
  repeat for each line theLine in theNodes
 put addChild(currFolder, theLine) into theArray[theLine]
  end repeat
   end if
end mouseUp

function addChild parentFolder theFolder
   put parentFolder & "/" &  theFolder into currFolder
   set the defaultfolder to currFolder
   put the files into theParent["files"]
   put the folders into theNodes
   filter theNodes without ".*"
   repeat for each line theLine in theNodes
  put addChild(currFolder, theLine) into theParent[theLine]
   end repeat
   return theParent
end addChild

---end example script

On 12 Sep 2008, at 01:20, Trevor DeVore wrote:


On Sep 11, 2008, at 5:55 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote:

Now I understand, I didn't consider not to tell rev how many sub  
arrays there would be. I have no clue when this would be useful  
though, maybe you can explain that?


Sure. One thing that the ability to dynamically specify a key would  
do is open up additional algorithms. Let's take the XML for example.


The XML conversion routines I posted earlier use recursion in order  
to create a multi-dimensional array from an XML document of unknown  
parent/child relationships. Every time the function finds children  
of a node the function calls itself recursively in order to process  
those children.


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Re: Zipping an application package by script

[Mark Talluto]

On Sep 10, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

As I mentioned at the start of this thread, using zip in the shell  
for me has ended up in zip not digging identical filenames  
like .DS_store or info.plist  (in different folders ) and stopping  
execution.



Hi Stephen,

Glad you found a solution.  I am curious if the zip solution worked  
for you in terminal alone.  I have been running some test and found  
the following to work just fine.


zip -r archive.zip application.app

Maybe the jj is the issue.  Nevertheless you got it going.  :)

-Mark Talluto
Canela Software
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Re: Using arrow keys to move from card to card

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

Hi Marian,

Since I often do such things with the on ArrowKeys handlers, check cd  
10's script and any object on cd 10 that may have an ON ArrowKeys  
handler. Could also be on a stack handler that provides an exception.  
In which cases you may need to do a pass ArrowKeys statement in one of  
these.


Good luck,

Joe Wilkins

On Sep 11, 2008, at 8:33 AM, Marian Petrides, MD wrote:

I have a stack which functions just as I intend it except for one  
card.  When run from a splash screen standalone, that arrow keys on  
my Mac can be used to go forward and backwards in the stack--UNTIL I  
get to cd 10.  On Cd 10 the arrow keys do not navigate to the next  
or previous cd, they just seem to do nothing.  If I get to CD 11 by  
using scripted buttons, then keyboard arrow keys work fine, as they  
do on every other card.


For the life of me, I can't find the spot where keyboard navigation  
got toggled off on CD 10.  Can anyone help me?


TIA

Marian
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Re: Arrays: new and old keys, i

[Trevor DeVore]

On Sep 11, 2008, at 5:55 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote:

Now I understand, I didn't consider not to tell rev how many sub  
arrays there would be. I have no clue when this would be useful  
though, maybe you can explain that?


Sure. One thing that the ability to dynamically specify a key would do  
is open up additional algorithms. Let's take the XML for example.


The XML conversion routines I posted earlier use recursion in order to  
create a multi-dimensional array from an XML document of unknown  
parent/child relationships. Every time the function finds children of  
a node the function calls itself recursively in order to process those  
children.


If we could reference array dimensions dynamically then we could  
perform the conversion using an iterative algorithm instead. As we  
moved through each dimension in the XML tree we would keep track of  
the key specifying the location of that dimension in the array we are  
creating. Some example values:


theDimensionKeys[1] = ["root"]
theDimensionKeys[2] = ["root"]["lessons[1]"]
theDimensionKeys[3] = ["root"]["lessons[1]"]["steps"]["step[3]"]

As we processed child nodes we would add the child node to the array  
by using the multi-dimensional key for the parent node (child node  
dimension - 1). No recursion necessary. Perhaps you could get slightly  
better performance using the iterative vs. recursive approach.


At first I wanted to write an example function that uses the  
paramCount, so it would automatically fill the array in a switch (at  
some point you do know what the max subarray count would be). But  
that'd be way too complex, and you'd need one for putting, and one  
for getting, so they'd suddenly be a kind of strange cprops. Using  
do is certainly the simplest way, but if you really care for speed,  
maybe such a function could be useful, despite the complexity?


There are probably some scenarios where a switch statement would  
suffice. For now I get by with do (i.e. the slowness of 'do' isn't too  
bad). I'm confident that we won't always be subject to using known  
keys with multi-dimensional arrays though so I leave 'do' in in hopes  
that I can change the code to something fast and elegant someday :-)



This is a rather interesting topic to me :D


I think so too. New data structures are so much fun.

Regards,

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Re: Zipping an application package by script

[Trevor DeVore]

On Sep 11, 2008, at 6:55 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

3. Sorry, Trevor, I couldn't get your 'all in Rev' code to work yet  
in 3.0 as Rev crashed immediately* on calling it and have not gotten  
down to debugging it yet.  Shouldn't be that hard to check out; it's  
all well written and self-documented.  This would still be useful to  
me in creating an archive with a list or partial contents.


If you find out what causes the crash let me know. I haven't had any  
problems with it in 2.9 or 3.0 but I've always used the handlers under  
controlled conditions. I would start by checking that  
revZipOpenArchive is working before you pass the archive folder to the  
functions.


Regards,

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Re: Zipping an application package by script

[Stephen Barncard]

The winner isT A R in the shell()

put "/Users/sb/Desktop/200809070038/"  into ToBeZippdFolder
put  "/Users/sb/Desktop/testPlace/" & "archive.tar" into tarredfolder
put shell( "tar -cf" && tarredfolder && ToBeZippdFolder ) into fld "output"

success! This works wonderfully. Thanks Brian Yennie and Jim Ault, 
Richard Gaskin,  Thomas McGrath III, Mark Talluto and Terry Judd. 
This list rocks. Thanks for being around, guys when I get stupid.


1. I got the hack with Automator to work, kinda, but hated the way it 
looked. Cheesy. Automator is great if used alone, but ... and I 
couldn't figure out how to pass parameters to it. So what it does 
would change if its location would change - it was hard wired. Move 
the package and it breaks.


2. My problems with tar were about reversing the parameters AND 
fixing that and reversing the definitions. Got it right now plus 
fixed the typos.


3. Sorry, Trevor, I couldn't get your 'all in Rev' code to work yet 
in 3.0 as Rev crashed immediately* on calling it and have not gotten 
down to debugging it yet.  Shouldn't be that hard to check out; it's 
all well written and self-documented.  This would still be useful to 
me in creating an archive with a list or partial contents.


I mean  all gone!

4. Zip from the shell is worthless to me, just checking again. It 
can't pack identical filenames, even ones with different paths. Which 
is one reason to use folders in the first place.


put "/Users/sb/Desktop/200809070038/"  into ToBeZippdFolder
put  "/Users/sb/Desktop/testPlace/" & "archive.zip" into tarredfolder
put shell( "zip -r -jj" && tarredfolder && ToBeZippdFolder ) into fld "output"

zip warning:   first full name: 
/Users/sb/Desktop/200809070038/55.app/Contents/MacOS/lib/.DS_Store

zip warning:  second full name: /Users/sb/Desktop/200809070038/.DS_Store
zip warning: name in zip file repeated: .DS_Store

zip error: Invalid command arguments (cannot repeat names in zip file)




Is is possible that you reversed the parameters? The "tar" output 
file comes first, then the remaining parameters are files / folders 
to include.


tar -cf MyApplication.app MyApplication.tar

=>

tar: MyApplication.app: Cannot open: Is a directory
tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now

tar -cf MyApplication.tar MyApplication.app

=>

success!



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Re: Possible bug in Revolution 3.0: merge command is missing array elements...

[Andre Garzia]

Friends,

guess what, I think they "fixed" their parsing routine for merge

the merge of:

"hello [[myVar["name"]]]"  --- empty
"hello [[myVar["name"]]"  --- empty (worked before)
"hello [[myVar["name"] ]]"  --- works!

So anyone working with merge commands and arrays, be sure to add a
little space if you're using new revolution version.

andre

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Andre Garzia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> can anyone confirm that we can still use arrays inside the merge command, 
> like:
>
> put "andre" into myvar["name"]
> put the merge of format("hello [[ myVar[\"name\"]], welcome!")
>
> Before anyone says that there's a missing closing ] in the string, be
> aware that in previous revolution versions this is how it worked, if
> you put three ] like ]]] in the end, in the final result you got
> youself a nice ] in the string. Again, the point is, the myVar["name"]
> is being replaced by empty value
>
> andre
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Possible bug in Revolution 3.0: merge command is missing array elements...

[Andre Garzia]

Folks,

can anyone confirm that we can still use arrays inside the merge command, like:

put "andre" into myvar["name"]
put the merge of format("hello [[ myVar[\"name\"]], welcome!")

Before anyone says that there's a missing closing ] in the string, be
aware that in previous revolution versions this is how it worked, if
you put three ] like ]]] in the end, in the final result you got
youself a nice ] in the string. Again, the point is, the myVar["name"]
is being replaced by empty value

andre

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RE: Walking Trees Backwards

[Randall Reetz]

Are you after a sort by hierarchical depth... How close an object is to the 
ground?  That is the pattern implied in your example output.  Your example data 
is delemeter free.  This makes for smaller data storage... But you have to make 
up for that advantage through increased processing complexity and or parseing 
performance.  Which of these three factors is most important given the task at 
hand?  The Xml standards people must have recomendations for ontology 
manipulation.  Why this extra step: the data in two forms? 

-Original Message-
From: "Bernard Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Sent: 9/11/2008 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: Walking Trees Backwards

Oops, forgot to include an example

input =

task1
task1.a
task1.b
task1.b.1
task2
task2.a
task2.a.1
task2.b
task2.c
task3

output =
task1.b.1
task2.a.1
task1.a
task1.b
task2.a
task2.b
task2.c
task1
task2
task3

Bernard
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RE: Walking Trees Backwards

[Randall Reetz]

The "do" restriction has to do with the complexity of constructing do 
statements or speed of execution? 

-Original Message-
From: "David Bovill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Sent: 9/11/2008 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: Walking Trees Backwards

Yes - thanks that's what I was thinking it does not work though as while
the maximum depth are all leaves of a tree structure there are other leaves
lower down the branches. So I think I'll have to use a technique I've done
before which is to turn the tree into an index of paths. So in your example:

task1
>task1.a
>task1.b
>task1.b.1
> task2
>task2.a
>task2.a.1
>task2.b
>task2.c
> task3


becomes

task1
task1/task1.a
task1/task1.b
task1/task1.b/task1.b.1
task2
task2/task2.a
task2/task2.a/task2.a.1
task2/task2.b
task2/task2.c
task3

No each line is a leaf, and yu can do what you want to the index, as it is
easy to reconstruct the outline from the paths (order does not matter). Now
the "problem" with the new arrays":

What I really want to do with a line like "task1/task1.b/task1.b.1" is stuff
like:

put ""task1.b"" into outlineArray ["task1"]
put "task1.b.1" into outlineArray ["task1"]["task1.b"]

Things like:

put keys(outlineArray ["task1"])  => task1.b

Seem to work fine. And you can use vaiable keys - so:

put "task1" into someKey
> put "task1.b.1" into outlineArray [someKey] ["task1.b"]
> put keys(outlineArray)  => task1


Yet to be able to write a recursive function I need to be able to do this
without knowing how deep I am in the recursion: I'm going to try doing that
by defining a function to put a value into an array. I can't see how thats
possible right now without "do" in which case I would give up and keep using
XML as it will be faster.
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is there a shell command on windows to unzip a file?

[Josh Mellicker]

Is there a shell command built into windows (without installing  
anything extra) to unzip a file?

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Re: Arrays: new and old keys, i

[Björnke von Gierke]

Now I understand, I didn't consider not to tell rev how many sub  
arrays there would be. I have no clue when this would be useful  
though, maybe you can explain that?


At first I wanted to write an example function that uses the  
paramCount, so it would automatically fill the array in a switch (at  
some point you do know what the max subarray count would be). But  
that'd be way too complex, and you'd need one for putting, and one for  
getting, so they'd suddenly be a kind of strange cprops. Using do is  
certainly the simplest way, but if you really care for speed, maybe  
such a function could be useful, despite the complexity?


This is a rather interesting topic to me :D

On 11 Sep 2008, at 23:13, Trevor DeVore wrote:


On Sep 11, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote:


On 11 Sep 2008, at 22:49, Trevor DeVore wrote:


put "some string" into theValue
put "[people][1][name]" into theKey ## assume you didn't know the  
full path to the key in advance.

put "put theValue into theArrayA" & theKey into theDo
do theDo


I'm not sure I understand the problem here, what prohibits the use  
of the following way to achieve the above?


on mouseUp
put "people" into theFirst
put "1" into theSecond
put "Name" into theThird
put "some string" into theArrayA[theFirst][theSecond][theThird]
end mouseUp

Besides less readability, more lines of code, etc. of course. Still  
if you don't know what the keys will be beforehand, then you'll  
have them individually in vars anyway, right?


Probably not understanding the problem correctly


Hi Björnke,

In your example above you assume that you know there are three  
dimensions. But what if you do not know how many dimensions you will  
be referencing? When this is the case then your variable is going to  
have the full path (from 1 to x number of dimensions) but the engine  
does not have a means of using that variable to grab the keys value  
without resorting to 'do'.


And yes, there are times when having this ability is very useful.

Make sense?


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Re: Arrays: new and old keys, i

[Trevor DeVore]

On Sep 11, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:


I don't think this is properly the function of an array. If you're
talking about adding engine support for LIFO or FIFO stacks or queues
then that's a slightly different topic. But trying to access array
elements in the order they were added is a bit like trying to do the
same with database records - it's just not, strictly speaking, the way
databases work.


Hey Mark,

I'm thinking of how PHP behaves. Arrays in PHP know the order that  
elements were added so that when you use foreach you get the elements  
in that same order. I always found this very useful when working with  
arrays in PHP.


For a little more info on what PHP does take a look at the comment by  
php_man_resp on the foreach page in the docs:





If you're using numeric arrays and you add elements in sequential
order, then note that you can get what you want by saying

put theArrayA[5]


This is what I currently do and it works fine in many cases. But some  
things could be simplified if foreach iterated in the order keys were  
added.


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Re: Mirye Monthly Release: Mirye RevCamp Issue 809

[Björnke von Gierke]

On 11 Sep 2008, at 22:45, David Bovill wrote:

 I personally would like to receive the information that Lynn, and  
other commercial developers have, that are related to Revolution.


I have an objection to this, as Lynn is not a Rev developer of third  
party tools, he just sells them as far as I know. Lynn should be  
disallowed from sending advertisement for his reseller thingy (Myrrh?)  
to the "How to use Revolution" list. But of course it's not in my  
power to enforce that.


Of course I don't see a problem with Rev developers of third party  
tools announcing their new versions, as long as they're not too  
successful (which would allow them to make updates every other week).


Jokes aside, It seems to me that there's enough updates of third party  
additions to enable a monthly mail to the use list. Meanwhile there's  
the RevUp mailing list and website combination, where all third party  
additions that do pertain to Rev released in the last one and a half  
years have been mentioned, as far as I know.


Bjoernke


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Re: Arrays: new and old keys, i

[Trevor DeVore]

On Sep 11, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote:


On 11 Sep 2008, at 22:49, Trevor DeVore wrote:


put "some string" into theValue
put "[people][1][name]" into theKey ## assume you didn't know the  
full path to the key in advance.

put "put theValue into theArrayA" & theKey into theDo
do theDo


I'm not sure I understand the problem here, what prohibits the use  
of the following way to achieve the above?


on mouseUp
 put "people" into theFirst
 put "1" into theSecond
 put "Name" into theThird
 put "some string" into theArrayA[theFirst][theSecond][theThird]
end mouseUp

Besides less readability, more lines of code, etc. of course. Still  
if you don't know what the keys will be beforehand, then you'll have  
them individually in vars anyway, right?


Probably not understanding the problem correctly


Hi Björnke,

In your example above you assume that you know there are three  
dimensions. But what if you do not know how many dimensions you will  
be referencing? When this is the case then your variable is going to  
have the full path (from 1 to x number of dimensions) but the engine  
does not have a means of using that variable to grab the keys value  
without resorting to 'do'.


And yes, there are times when having this ability is very useful.

Make sense?

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Re: Arrays: new and old keys, i

[Björnke von Gierke]

On 11 Sep 2008, at 22:49, Trevor DeVore wrote:


put "some string" into theValue
put "[people][1][name]" into theKey ## assume you didn't know the  
full path to the key in advance.

put "put theValue into theArrayA" & theKey into theDo
do theDo



I'm not sure I understand the problem here, what prohibits the use of  
the following way to achieve the above?


on mouseUp
  put "people" into theFirst
  put "1" into theSecond
  put "Name" into theThird
  put "some string" into theArrayA[theFirst][theSecond][theThird]
end mouseUp

Besides less readability, more lines of code, etc. of course. Still if  
you don't know what the keys will be beforehand, then you'll have them  
individually in vars anyway, right?


Probably not understanding the problem correctly
Bjoernke


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Re: Arrays: new and old keys, i

[Mark Wieder]

Trevor-

Thursday, September 11, 2008, 11:32:39 AM, you wrote:

> 3) Ability to reference elements of an array in the order they were
> added to the array:

> put element 5 of theArrayA

I don't think this is properly the function of an array. If you're
talking about adding engine support for LIFO or FIFO stacks or queues
then that's a slightly different topic. But trying to access array
elements in the order they were added is a bit like trying to do the
same with database records - it's just not, strictly speaking, the way
databases work.

If you're using numeric arrays and you add elements in sequential
order, then note that you can get what you want by saying

put theArrayA[5]

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Re: Arrays: new and old keys, i

[Trevor DeVore]

On Sep 11, 2008, at 4:27 PM, David Bovill wrote:

I have another scenario where I had to resort to 'do' though. I'm  
converting
SQL queries to a hierarchal array but unlike XML SQL results have  
no sense
of hierarchy. So I have a couple of 'do' statements in the code  
which I will
promptly replace when/if the engine is updated to support dynamic  
keys.


I can't quite follow the details of this but I am sure it is a very  
powerful
and important feature to add. I love the ability to have variable  
properties

for instance. It is so powerful to be able to do this without speed
penalties:

put "name" into someProperty
put the someProperty of btn 1


Same basic idea. You just want to be able to do something like:

put "[people][1][name]" into theKey

and then use theKey to target a specific key in the array somehow.  
Some pseudo code:


put key theKey of theArrayA into theValue

Right now we have to do something like this:

put "some string" into theValue
put "[people][1][name]" into theKey ## assume you didn't know the full  
path to the key in advance.

put "put theValue into theArrayA" & theKey into theDo
do theDo


I really like the way lua does this - in particular their concept of
meta(data)tables. You can define a default array in this metatable,  
and then
if a vlaue in your array is not set it returns the default value.  
This is
great for things like translations - and I've often use this data  
structure
going back to Hypercard days. Maybe its not core - but I ffigure if  
you are
going to implement a new datastructure why not learn from the best.  
Adding
things like sorted indexes could be done to the metatable without  
affecting

any backward compatability issues. Really no more than a suggestion /
thought :)


Now that we have a new data structure it definitely makes you hungry  
for more. The easier it is to represent the data you are working with  
using built-in data structures the easier it is to code in that  
environment. Multi-dimensional arrays are a great addition and  
hopefully it is a sign of more things to come.


Great functions though Trevor - thanks. Looks like it will be worth  
using
arrays for tree structures. Do you know by the way what the limits  
on keys

are, and can we now pass arrays to seprop handlers? That would be very
usefull for me as I often define getprop handlers that return arrays  
- but
have to limit this as there is no way to implement a corresponding  
setprop.


I do not know what the limits are. I was unsuccessful in my attempt to  
pass multi-dimensional arrays in setProp handlers. But since you can  
'send' arrays now you can define your setProp handlers using command  
and use 'send' instead.


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Re: Mirye Monthly Release: Mirye RevCamp Issue 809

[David Bovill]

Hi gang :)

My 2 cents worth. I personally would like to receive the information that
Lynn, and other commercial developers have, that are related to Revolution.
While the market is small - I think it is important for all potential
developers that there is one place where all this information is collected -
and this email list works for that. With that I agree with Lynn and Ruslan -
it would be a pity if other developers were not encouraged to post
information to the list - they are easy enough to "not" read, and splitting
the list never works well - take a look at all those Yahoo groups.

I do however share a sentiment that I suspect a lot of others hold - against
the list becoming "commercial" and keeping tis focus on scripting and
advice. Lynns post was pure marketing - so it clashed with this ethos - for
some that is no big deal, for others it is. I suspect as the user base grows
it will become less of an issue, and many of us will miss the old cuddly
feely list.

My suggestion to RunRev would be to help preserve the feel of this list by
organising an official monthly or even weekly - product / marketing posts to
the list. Developers could send in their section to be included - with links
to their own stuff. Anyone not wanting to see the commercial stuff could
easily recognise the post and not read it. Any shy developers out there
would get encouragement to market theri stuff :)
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Re-2: Mirye Monthly Release: Mirye RevCamp Issue 809

[runrev260805]

Hi,

even if its only one letter per month. If everyone on this list would send only 
one newsletter a month, then it this would make me nervous.
And how can you avoid that others will do the same
?
I am allways interested in information/adverts about tools for revolution or 
things made with revolution. I also understand, that Mirye wants to inform 
about  advantages, if one buys runrev products from them. And its okay for me, 
if they send an one time information about it (as they have already done), but 
not regulary, because this does not belong to a list which is called 
use-revolution.

But thats only my two pennies (cents) worth.

Regards,

Matthias


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Subject: Re: Mirye Monthly Release: Mirye RevCamp Issue 809 (11-Sep-2008 22:00)
From:Ruslan Zasukhin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> And this is one letter per month as I understand, it make your nervous???
> I could understand if it was once per hours :-)
> 


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Re: Can you realise a transparent hover color for buttons?

[Eric Chatonet]

Bonsoir Josh,

I agree but...
Here we always build multi-lingual applications (probably because we  
are a tiny market :-) then such a solution can't satisfy us.

And I think that Tiemo is in the same situation...

Le 11 sept. 08 à 21:47, Josh Mellicker a écrit :


The way we have done this, is:

1. make a cool button with the rounded rectangle (with Scott  
Rossi's awesome gradient tool) and name it "btnBkgd"


2. create text (use any font, and Rossi's tool to "burn" it into an  
image so it doesn't matter if the user has the font) and position  
it over the button


3. group the two, and name the group "whateverRolloverButton"

4. then, in the card script:

on mouseEnter
  IF the short name of the owner of the target contains  
"RolloverButton" THEN
set the blendlevel of img "btnBkgd" of grp (the owner of the  
target) to 50 -- or whatever

end mouseEnter

and a mouseLeave that is similar...

That way, you can make as many buttons as you want without having  
to script each one. Also, the reason for detecting rollover on the  
group is that if you put the mouseEnter on the text or background  
or both, you get a weird "flickering" as the mouse goes from where  
the text is to the background image.


I just wrote this from memory, sorry if it is unclear, if you want  
me to post the whole thing let me know.


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

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Re: Arrays: new and old keys, i

[David Bovill]

2008/9/11 Trevor DeVore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Sep 11, 2008, at 3:10 PM, David Bovill wrote:
>
>  1) Ability to reference an multi-dimensional keys dynamically. Right now
>>> we
>>> have to build the array key reference and then use 'do'.
>>>
>>
>> Yes - that was the first problem I came across. I wanted to write a
>> recursive function, and since you don't know how deep you will need to go
>> you have to use "do" which destroys the reason to use arrays 9ie speed) in
>> the first place. This makes it useless to use as a native data structure
>> for
>> things like arrays - or at least impossible to create generic libraries
>> for
>> tree / xml data structures.
>>
>
> Generic conversion of XML to Array and Array to XML is possible without
> dynamic keys once you have decided on a way to represent the XML as an
> array. The XML conversion routines in the stack I provide with the article
> can convert between XML and arrays and don't need dynamically generated
> keys. I'm using the XML to Array conversion routines extensively right now
> with web services and have been quite happy with them.
>
> I've attached latest version of these handlers at the bottom of this email
> for reference. The entry points are ConvertArrayToXML() and
> ConvertXMLToArray(). Look at ConvertXMLNodeToArray() for an example of the
> recursive call.


Oh great! Just found your stack - just what I wanted. Your functions are
almost identical to my outline_ToXML functions! And now we can do them with
arrays - fab!

I have another scenario where I had to resort to 'do' though. I'm converting
> SQL queries to a hierarchal array but unlike XML SQL results have no sense
> of hierarchy. So I have a couple of 'do' statements in the code which I will
> promptly replace when/if the engine is updated to support dynamic keys.


I can't quite follow the details of this but I am sure it is a very powerful
and important feature to add. I love the ability to have variable properties
for instance. It is so powerful to be able to do this without speed
penalties:

put "name" into someProperty
put the someProperty of btn 1


Yes, it is unfortunate that we have to resort to custom sorts (see
> SortArrayKeysWithXMLOrdering in XML code) or numeric sorts in order to
> iterate through keys sequentially. Hopefully that will be addressed in the
> near future.


I really like the way lua does this - in particular their concept of
meta(data)tables. You can define a default array in this metatable, and then
if a vlaue in your array is not set it returns the default value. This is
great for things like translations - and I've often use this data structure
going back to Hypercard days. Maybe its not core - but I ffigure if you are
going to implement a new datastructure why not learn from the best. Adding
things like sorted indexes could be done to the metatable without affecting
any backward compatability issues. Really no more than a suggestion /
thought :)

Great functions though Trevor - thanks. Looks like it will be worth using
arrays for tree structures. Do you know by the way what the limits on keys
are, and can we now pass arrays to seprop handlers? That would be very
usefull for me as I often define getprop handlers that return arrays - but
have to limit this as there is no way to implement a corresponding setprop.
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Re: Mirye Monthly Release: Mirye RevCamp Issue 809

[Mark Schonewille]

Looked like a newsletter to me anyway, Lynn, even though you call it a  
Monthly Release rather than a newsletter.


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On 11 sep 2008, at 21:57, Lynn Fredricks wrote:


Hi Mark,


A quick message announcing the new product or update will suffice.
There is no need to send a newsletter to this mailing list.
You can send your newsletters to your own customers.


Ill answer you off-list in detail. If you read my previous email,  
you'd see

I didn't send the newsletter, but a quick message.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks



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Re: Mirye Monthly Release: Mirye RevCamp Issue 809

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Ruslan,

I am not trying to stop Lynn to send information about new Valentina  
updates for Revolution to this mail list and I am definitely not  
trying to stop you from doing anything.


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On 11 sep 2008, at 21:57, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:

On 9/11/08 10:22 PM, "Mark Schonewille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>

wrote:

Hi Mark,

I wonder on such people as you.

I remember that during last 10 years, may be 5-7 other developers  
like you
have try stop me and us from sending to REALbasic, Revolution,  
Director

lists information about Valentina database.

And it was nice to see that while ONE person say DO NOT send it,  
usually
dozen have answer him -- I AM INTRESTED to read on this list any  
possible

information related to REALbasic, Revolution, Director, ...

You see point ?

Many new vistors can be on this list, which did not hear yet about  
Mirey, or

Valentina or may be about you product if it is target REV DEVELOPERS.
But If you product target e.g. housewife then of course no sense to  
send

your newsletter to this list.

All is clear like a day :-)

And this is one letter per month as I understand, it make your  
nervous???

I could understand if it was once per hours :-)


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Re: Arrays: new and old keys, i

[Trevor DeVore]

On Sep 11, 2008, at 3:10 PM, David Bovill wrote:

1) Ability to reference an multi-dimensional keys dynamically.  
Right now we

have to build the array key reference and then use 'do'.


Yes - that was the first problem I came across. I wanted to write a
recursive function, and since you don't know how deep you will need  
to go
you have to use "do" which destroys the reason to use arrays 9ie  
speed) in
the first place. This makes it useless to use as a native data  
structure for
things like arrays - or at least impossible to create generic  
libraries for

tree / xml data structures.


Generic conversion of XML to Array and Array to XML is possible  
without dynamic keys once you have decided on a way to represent the  
XML as an array. The XML conversion routines in the stack I provide  
with the article can convert between XML and arrays and don't need  
dynamically generated keys. I'm using the XML to Array conversion  
routines extensively right now with web services and have been quite  
happy with them.


I've attached latest version of these handlers at the bottom of this  
email for reference. The entry points are ConvertArrayToXML() and  
ConvertXMLToArray(). Look at ConvertXMLNodeToArray() for an example of  
the recursive call.


I have another scenario where I had to resort to 'do' though. I'm  
converting SQL queries to a hierarchal array but unlike XML SQL  
results have no sense of hierarchy. So I have a couple of 'do'  
statements in the code which I will promptly replace when/if the  
engine is updated to support dynamic keys.


2) Ability to pass a key of an array by reference. Currently you  
can't do

this:


OK. But "theArray[1]" is just another array - so surely you can do  
this:


on mouseUp
  put "Hi There" into theArray[1]["name"]
  put theArray[1] into firstArray
  DoSomething firstArray
end mouseUp

command DoSomething @pArrayA
  
end DoSomething

 Which I almost prefer for legibility - so that's no biggy for me?


Right, not a huge deal. But you hate to have to make an extra copy  
when dealing with large data sets and it is extra lines of code. You  
left off one line of the code though. You need to put firstArray back  
into theArray[1] after calling DoSomething in order to get a pass by  
ref equivalent:


put theArray[1] into firstArray
DoSomething firstArray
put firstArray into theArray[1]

3) Ability to reference elements of an array in the order they were  
added to the array:


Totally. I posted about this earlier. I have to do a lot of  
scripting to get

around this



Yes, it is unfortunate that we have to resort to custom sorts (see  
SortArrayKeysWithXMLOrdering in XML code) or numeric sorts in order to  
iterate through keys sequentially. Hopefully that will be addressed in  
the near future.


Example of iterating sequentially through a numerically keyed array:

put the keys of theArrayA into theKeys
sort lines of theKeys numeric
repeat for each line theIndex in theKeys
   
end repeat

All that being said the new arrays have been a huge productivity boost  
on my end. Code is running faster, is easier to read and easier to  
write.



Regards,

--
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com



--
-- Converts an XML tree into a Revolution multi-dimensional array.
-- A nodes attributes will be stored as an array of it's "@attributes"  
key.
-- Node names will retain the sequence information (i.e. node[1],  
node[2], etc.).
-- This information is necessary to determine order that keys should  
be processed in. Example:

-- set the itemDelimiter to "["
-- put the keys of theArray into theKeys
-- sort theKeys numeric by the last item of each
--
-- pUseValueKey: The default value is false. In this case you get an  
array that has an @attributes
-- key for nodes that have attributes and either a) no value or b)  
only child nodes. Otherwise it contains the node contents.
-- Set to true if you want to store a nodes value in the '@value' key.  
This will allow a key to have

-- both attributes (in @attributes key) and a value (in @value key).
--
function ConvertXMLToArray pXML, pStoreEncodedAs, pUseValueKey
local theArray,theResult,theRootNode,theTreeID
local theXMLEncoding

## Create an XML tree from XML text
put revCreateXMLTree(pXML, true, true, false) into theTreeID

if theTreeID is an integer then
## Determine the encoding of the XML, default to UTF-8
put matchtext(pXML, "<\?xml (.*)encoding=" & quote & "(.*)" &  
quote & "\?>", versionMatch, theXMLEncoding) into theResult

if theXMLEncoding is empty then put "utf-8" into theXMLEncoding

## Now convert to array.
## The 1st dimension has one key which is the name of the  
root node.

put revXMLRootNode(theTreeID) into theRootNode
if theRootNode is not empty and not(theRootNode begins with  
"xmlerr,") then
put ConvertXMLN

Re: Mirye Monthly Release: Mirye RevCamp Issue 809

[Ruslan Zasukhin]

On 9/11/08 10:22 PM, "Mark Schonewille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

Hi Mark,

I wonder on such people as you.

I remember that during last 10 years, may be 5-7 other developers like you
have try stop me and us from sending to REALbasic, Revolution, Director
lists information about Valentina database.

And it was nice to see that while ONE person say DO NOT send it, usually
dozen have answer him -- I AM INTRESTED to read on this list any possible
information related to REALbasic, Revolution, Director, ...

You see point ?

Many new vistors can be on this list, which did not hear yet about Mirey, or
Valentina or may be about you product if it is target REV DEVELOPERS.
But If you product target e.g. housewife then of course no sense to send
your newsletter to this list.

All is clear like a day :-)

And this is one letter per month as I understand, it make your nervous???
I could understand if it was once per hours :-)

> When you have a new product created with or for Revolution, please let
> us know. It is highly appreciated by all of us, I'm sure. I do the
> same when I finish a new product that is created with Revolution and I
> believe it is the right thing to do.
> 
> A quick message announcing the new product or update will suffice.
> There is no need to send a newsletter to this mailing list. You can
> send your newsletters to your own customers.
> 
> I receive offers from Runtime Revolution every now and then and I am
> not interested in offers from Mirye, unless you have a product that is
> not available from Runtime Revolution Ltd and your offer is either a
> product created with or for Revolution (see first paragraph).
> 
> I really don't see how "OEM" is related to this discussion. I don't
> see any "hooks". Just tell your customers to subscribe to this list
> for great community support and maintain your own mailing list aimed
> at your own customers in the mean time.
> 
> As far as I know, Derbrill doesn't "support" you, whateve "support"
> means and I haven't seen any statement saying that Jerry's "supports"
> you but that might be because I am not on Jerry's mailing list.
> 
> If you keep sending newsletters, you leave me no choice but sending my
> own newsletters to this list as well and I think Daniels and Mara,
> Derbrill, Altuit, Sons of Thunder, Tactile Media and of course Runtime
> Revolution Ltd should do the same. Yeah, that's right: even Runtime
> Revolution doesn't send newsletters to the use list, so why would you?
> 
> (Lynn, I wrote you about this subject off-list, a month ago, twice,
> but you didn't care to reply. That's why I write on-list now. I
> apologise sincerely to all other list readers for the intrusion.)

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


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RE: Mirye Monthly Release: Mirye RevCamp Issue 809

[Lynn Fredricks]

Hi Mark,

> A quick message announcing the new product or update will suffice.  
> There is no need to send a newsletter to this mailing list. 
> You can send your newsletters to your own customers.

Ill answer you off-list in detail. If you read my previous email, you'd see
I didn't send the newsletter, but a quick message.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Mirye Software Publishing
http://www.mirye.com

Mirye Community NING
http://miryesoftware.ning.com 


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Re: Walking Trees Backwards

[David Bovill]

Yes - thanks that's what I was thinking it does not work though as while
the maximum depth are all leaves of a tree structure there are other leaves
lower down the branches. So I think I'll have to use a technique I've done
before which is to turn the tree into an index of paths. So in your example:

task1
>task1.a
>task1.b
>task1.b.1
> task2
>task2.a
>task2.a.1
>task2.b
>task2.c
> task3


becomes

task1
task1/task1.a
task1/task1.b
task1/task1.b/task1.b.1
task2
task2/task2.a
task2/task2.a/task2.a.1
task2/task2.b
task2/task2.c
task3

No each line is a leaf, and yu can do what you want to the index, as it is
easy to reconstruct the outline from the paths (order does not matter). Now
the "problem" with the new arrays":

What I really want to do with a line like "task1/task1.b/task1.b.1" is stuff
like:

put ""task1.b"" into outlineArray ["task1"]
put "task1.b.1" into outlineArray ["task1"]["task1.b"]

Things like:

put keys(outlineArray ["task1"])  => task1.b

Seem to work fine. And you can use vaiable keys - so:

put "task1" into someKey
> put "task1.b.1" into outlineArray [someKey] ["task1.b"]
> put keys(outlineArray)  => task1


Yet to be able to write a recursive function I need to be able to do this
without knowing how deep I am in the recursion: I'm going to try doing that
by defining a function to put a value into an array. I can't see how thats
possible right now without "do" in which case I would give up and keep using
XML as it will be faster.
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Re: Can you realise a transparent hover color for buttons?

[Josh Mellicker]

The way we have done this, is:

1. make a cool button with the rounded rectangle (with Scott Rossi's  
awesome gradient tool) and name it "btnBkgd"


2. create text (use any font, and Rossi's tool to "burn" it into an  
image so it doesn't matter if the user has the font) and position it  
over the button


3. group the two, and name the group "whateverRolloverButton"

4. then, in the card script:

on mouseEnter
  IF the short name of the owner of the target contains  
"RolloverButton" THEN
set the blendlevel of img "btnBkgd" of grp (the owner of the  
target) to 50 -- or whatever

end mouseEnter

and a mouseLeave that is similar...

That way, you can make as many buttons as you want without having to  
script each one. Also, the reason for detecting rollover on the group  
is that if you put the mouseEnter on the text or background or both,  
you get a weird "flickering" as the mouse goes from where the text is  
to the background image.


I just wrote this from memory, sorry if it is unclear, if you want me  
to post the whole thing let me know.




On Sep 10, 2008, at 5:21 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:


Hello,

I have some text buttons, where I would like to realise a hover effect
(mouseover) with a (50%) opaque/transparent color of the button  
(like the
menu items of MS Office products on Win). Up to now I can't see a  
solution
for this. As standard properties I can only set icons for hover  
(which would
only make sense with icon buttons, not with text buttons, no colors,  
nore
transparent colors. If I would make my hover effect myself with  
mouseenter,
I can't control the transparency of the button color, just solid  
colors.


Am I right that these are the two options for making a hover effect  
(icons
or solid colors), or is there a trick with a workaround to create a  
50%
opacity hover effect? Probably is a set of icons anyway the solution  
of

choice.

Thanks for any hints

Tiemo







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Re: Walking Trees Backwards

[Bernard Devlin]

Oops, forgot to include an example

input =

task1
task1.a
task1.b
task1.b.1
task2
task2.a
task2.a.1
task2.b
task2.c
task3

output =
task1.b.1
task2.a.1
task1.a
task1.b
task2.a
task2.b
task2.c
task1
task2
task3

Bernard
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Re: Mirye Monthly Release: Mirye RevCamp Issue 809

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Lynn,

When you have a new product created with or for Revolution, please let  
us know. It is highly appreciated by all of us, I'm sure. I do the  
same when I finish a new product that is created with Revolution and I  
believe it is the right thing to do.


A quick message announcing the new product or update will suffice.  
There is no need to send a newsletter to this mailing list. You can  
send your newsletters to your own customers.


I receive offers from Runtime Revolution every now and then and I am  
not interested in offers from Mirye, unless you have a product that is  
not available from Runtime Revolution Ltd and your offer is either a  
product created with or for Revolution (see first paragraph).


I really don't see how "OEM" is related to this discussion. I don't  
see any "hooks". Just tell your customers to subscribe to this list  
for great community support and maintain your own mailing list aimed  
at your own customers in the mean time.


As far as I know, Derbrill doesn't "support" you, whateve "support"  
means and I haven't seen any statement saying that Jerry's "supports"  
you but that might be because I am not on Jerry's mailing list.


If you keep sending newsletters, you leave me no choice but sending my  
own newsletters to this list as well and I think Daniels and Mara,  
Derbrill, Altuit, Sons of Thunder, Tactile Media and of course Runtime  
Revolution Ltd should do the same. Yeah, that's right: even Runtime  
Revolution doesn't send newsletters to the use list, so why would you?


(Lynn, I wrote you about this subject off-list, a month ago, twice,  
but you didn't care to reply. That's why I write on-list now. I  
apologise sincerely to all other list readers for the intrusion.)


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On 11 sep 2008, at 16:05, Lynn Fredricks wrote:


What would you say about starting your own mailing list
rather than sending your newsletter to this list? If we all
start sending our newsletters to this list, I think it'll get
a bit cluttered.


Hi Mark,

The majority of RevCamp is a unique, monthly package of free stuff -  
not

really a newsletter but a sort of glue around several small releases.

There are too many hooks in Runtime Revolution and in the license  
process
for our customers not to end up here on this list. Runtime  
Revolution isnt
developed with OEMing in mind and I wouldn't want to burden the  
developers

with a request to do that.

That said, anyone who makes a major release of their Revolution add-on
should make sure they send us their press releases. It doesn't  
matter if you
aren't in our online store, so long as you maintain your own  
presence on the
internet.  The Revolution community could use more organized  
clutter. A sure
sign of a healthy development tool ecosystem is the size and  
viability of
its third party tool supplier market, as well as the number of  
consulting
companies that support it. We are very happy to support and be  
supported by
developers like DerBrill and Jerry's new Rev Mentor service, because  
in the
end, it means we all generate more revenue to in turn support and  
grow that

ecosystem.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks


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Re: Walking Trees Backwards

[Bernard Devlin]

I'm not sure if I've understood the problem properly, but given a delimited
list where the number of delimiters = depth then a custom sort will provide
you with the lines by depth:

on mouseUp
  put fld "outline" into tx  -- each line has 0 or more tabs to indicate
outline depth
  sort tx descending by customSort(each)
  put tx
end mouseUp

function customSort pLine
  set the itemDel to tab
  return the number of items in pLine
end customSort

Assuming at least 1 line has 1 tab, then that line will be at the top of the
list. Does this help you to find the starting point for the backwards
search?

Bernard
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Re: Arrays: new and old keys, i

[David Bovill]

Great Trevor - was wandering where I'd read your article!

2008/9/11 Trevor DeVore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>
> As for writing a wrapper, what sorts of routines are you looking for? There
> are three features I would really like to see but none of these can really
> be handled by a library. They need to be added to the engine. They are:
>
> 1) Ability to reference an multi-dimensional keys dynamically. Right now we
> have to build the array key reference and then use 'do'.


Yes - that was the first problem I came across. I wanted to write a
recursive function, and since you don't know how deep you will need to go
you have to use "do" which destroys the reason to use arrays 9ie speed) in
the first place. This makes it useless to use as a native data structure for
things like arrays - or at least impossible to create generic libraries for
tree / xml data structures.


> 2) Ability to pass a key of an array by reference. Currently you can't do
> this:
>
> on mouseUp
>put "Hi There" into theArray[1]["name"]
>DoSomething theArray[1]
> end mouseUp
>
> command DoSomething @pArrayA
>
> end DoSomething


OK. But "theArray[1]" is just another array - so surely you can do this:

on mouseUp
   put "Hi There" into theArray[1]["name"]
   put theArray[1] into firstArray
   DoSomething firstArray
end mouseUp

command DoSomething @pArrayA
   
end DoSomething

  Which I almost prefer for legibility - so that's no biggy for me?

3) Ability to reference elements of an array in the order they were added to
> the array:
>
> put element 5 of theArrayA


Totally. I posted about this earlier. I have to do a lot of scripting to get
around this.
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RE: Walking Trees Backwards

[Randall Reetz]

In my experience, non-computer scientists often produce the biggest 
breakthroughs in CS. You know how math-heads have had to follow physicists in 
math!  Anyway, you are correct, if you arent always linearly cralling your tree 
from its base, if you have to perform blind jumps to a discreet leafs or what 
have you, then you have to format you data for efficient scaleable search and 
locate.  There are lots of ways to do this.  I prefer methods that are well 
matched to the streangths of the language i am using.  If you marry a good 
indexed list of tree parts (the proper nouns or objects) that make up your 
tree, then you can do fast finds or offsets on that index (which itself can be 
branching). Store your objects in this index with pointers to instances within 
your ontologies and there you are!  The added upkeep is nothing compaired to 
the navigational performance gains.  (talk about a generalist's advice).
-Original Message-
From: "David Bovill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Sent: 9/11/2008 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: Walking Trees Backwards

2008/9/11 Randall Reetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> If you aren't a computer scientist then what kind of scientist are you?  If
> you have code that builds trees as indented outlines then walking down them
> usually just means moving back up the text file line by line untill there
> are one less tabs in front of a line, etc.  If you bracket your leading tabs
> with a special char then you can search for the correct number of tabs if
> you can use find or offset in reverse... Or on a flipped instance of the
> text.  If you are constantly navigating and never pruning or adding to your
> trees it is sometimes more efficient to store complete ancestor pathes with
> each leaf or branc.  If you learn to always keep the current complete path
> as you swim around your tree you can navigate far easer (or in this specific
> case you wouldnt have to... Just move backwards down your path).  Does any
> of this help?


Thanks Randal. Science was a while ago - lets just say I wasn't a dentist.
Everything you say above gels with how the library works for outlines - so
its good to know its the right sort of approach. But it does not help with
backward walking from leaves to trunk - largely because of issues like where
do you start? Which leaf? Does the order matter? Thinking again this is not
going to be recursive, you just need to repeat through each leaf. Maybe its
not so hard


-Original Message-

> From: "David Bovill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "How to use Revolution" 
> Sent: 9/11/2008 7:43 AM
> Subject: Walking Trees Backwards
>
> No before anyone asks this isn't a new age thing :) It's about hierarchical
> (tree) data structures - not being a computer scientist its out of my
> league, and I feel that someone who knows a bit about these beasts can
> advise.
>
> *Task*
> I want to put an indented outline (more generally a tree structure) into an
> array.
>
> *Background*
> An outline is your regular tab indented outline you might have in a word
> processor or a rev field. I have a small library for these structures as I
> have to deal with them a lot - so I can turn them into XML and use paths
> (nodes) and get children and parent relationships etc. Quite a lot of them
> are recursive.
>
> *Problem*
> With XML I could add the bits as I walked down the tree. I think I can do
> the same with the new array structures in 3.0 - but for compatibility I was
> thinking of using a technique for marshaling arrays - that allows arrays to
> be arbitrarily nested - but for that I need to walk the trees backwards
> from
> leaf to trunk. This is getting complicated - I dislike recursion at the
> best
> of times - but backwards recursion with marshaling doesn't not sound good
> :)
>
> I am thinking of something roughly along the lines of:
>
>1. working out the maximum depth of the outline and then repeating
> *down*from that
>   2. for each node finding its parent
>   3. for each parent finding its children
>   4. remove the children from the list of nodes at that level
>   5. putting the children into an array keyed on the parent
>   6. repeat through the remaining nodes of that level
>   7. marshaling the array
>   8. going up a level
>
> Others used to dealing with hierarchical tree structure using XML or
> similar
> may have a "design pattern". Any suggestions? Alternatively might give up,
> and see if I can use forward tree walking and a more suitable data
> structure
> like XML or the new arrays. Is backward walking of tree structures ever
> necessary - or can the same thing generally be achieved with forward
> walking?
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Re: Arrays: new and old keys

[Mark Brownell]

>Message: 22
>Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:30:09 +0100
>From: "David Bovill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Arrays: new and old keys
>To: "How to use Revolution" 
>Message-ID:
>   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>Oh - and anyone know where to find some documentation on the
>multidimensional arrays in Rev3.0?
>

I think that this is a bug fix requested. I got them working like this:

put "Hello World" into zam
put return & "I have a news" after zam
put return & "This test works with numerical keys" after zam
put return & "I sure would like these: [1][2][1][4]" after zam
   
put "test level 1" into myArray[1]

repeat with i = 1 to 4
 put line i of zam into myArray[1][i]
end repeat

answer myArray[1][3]

it works

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Re: Arrays: new and old keys, i

[Trevor DeVore]

On Sep 11, 2008, at 1:08 PM, Andrew Meit wrote:

Me too! I am frustrated that once again Rev ships new features  
without full docs or full examples.
Please anyone who deeply understands the new arrays teach all,  
thanks. :-)

Better yet a small library of wrappers that finish them off.
Just for the record, I did bug report the missing doc while testing.


If you haven't read the newsletter article I wrote or taken a look at  
the included stack you could start there:




Then come back and ask any additional questions you have.

As for writing a wrapper, what sorts of routines are you looking for?  
There are three features I would really like to see but none of these  
can really be handled by a library. They need to be added to the  
engine. They are:


1) Ability to reference an multi-dimensional keys dynamically. Right  
now we have to build the array key reference and then use 'do'.


2) Ability to pass a key of an array by reference. Currently you can't  
do this:


on mouseUp
put "Hi There" into theArray[1]["name"]
DoSomething theArray[1]
end mouseUp

command DoSomething @pArrayA

end DoSomething

3) Ability to reference elements of an array in the order they were  
added to the array:


put element 5 of theArrayA

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Re: Access to Rev User Interface Controls

[Eric Chatonet]

Bonsoir Mickey,

Le 11 sept. 08 à 20:16, Mikey a écrit :

Isn't it great to be able to do this kind of stuff in your  
development tool?


I'm not sure to understand: you are like a concise monk ;-)
But if you want to say that Rev is the only IDE built with itself, I  
do agree.


All features you find in the IDE, like Drag and Drop from the tool  
palette, tree views in app browser, etc. are scripted with Rev.
Not to say that all this code is always neat :-) but it's able to get  
you started ;-)


It's an old story: you learn from others work.
I am always baffled with some questions on this list:
It's asked how to do this or that that does exists yet in the IDE:  
just have a look!


An IDE programmed with its own language is a real plus.

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Re: Access to Rev User Interface Controls

[Mikey]

Isn't it great to be able to do this kind of stuff in your development tool?
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Re: Arrays: new and old keys

[Eric Chatonet]

See the Engine Change Log.txt
Though it's not really a tutorial ;-)

Le 11 sept. 08 à 18:30, David Bovill a écrit :


Oh - and anyone know where to find some documentation on the
multidimensional arrays in Rev3.0?


Best regards from Paris,
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Re: Walking Trees Backwards

[David Bovill]

2008/9/11 Randall Reetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> If you aren't a computer scientist then what kind of scientist are you?  If
> you have code that builds trees as indented outlines then walking down them
> usually just means moving back up the text file line by line untill there
> are one less tabs in front of a line, etc.  If you bracket your leading tabs
> with a special char then you can search for the correct number of tabs if
> you can use find or offset in reverse... Or on a flipped instance of the
> text.  If you are constantly navigating and never pruning or adding to your
> trees it is sometimes more efficient to store complete ancestor pathes with
> each leaf or branc.  If you learn to always keep the current complete path
> as you swim around your tree you can navigate far easer (or in this specific
> case you wouldnt have to... Just move backwards down your path).  Does any
> of this help?


Thanks Randal. Science was a while ago - lets just say I wasn't a dentist.
Everything you say above gels with how the library works for outlines - so
its good to know its the right sort of approach. But it does not help with
backward walking from leaves to trunk - largely because of issues like where
do you start? Which leaf? Does the order matter? Thinking again this is not
going to be recursive, you just need to repeat through each leaf. Maybe its
not so hard


-Original Message-

> From: "David Bovill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "How to use Revolution" 
> Sent: 9/11/2008 7:43 AM
> Subject: Walking Trees Backwards
>
> No before anyone asks this isn't a new age thing :) It's about hierarchical
> (tree) data structures - not being a computer scientist its out of my
> league, and I feel that someone who knows a bit about these beasts can
> advise.
>
> *Task*
> I want to put an indented outline (more generally a tree structure) into an
> array.
>
> *Background*
> An outline is your regular tab indented outline you might have in a word
> processor or a rev field. I have a small library for these structures as I
> have to deal with them a lot - so I can turn them into XML and use paths
> (nodes) and get children and parent relationships etc. Quite a lot of them
> are recursive.
>
> *Problem*
> With XML I could add the bits as I walked down the tree. I think I can do
> the same with the new array structures in 3.0 - but for compatibility I was
> thinking of using a technique for marshaling arrays - that allows arrays to
> be arbitrarily nested - but for that I need to walk the trees backwards
> from
> leaf to trunk. This is getting complicated - I dislike recursion at the
> best
> of times - but backwards recursion with marshaling doesn't not sound good
> :)
>
> I am thinking of something roughly along the lines of:
>
>1. working out the maximum depth of the outline and then repeating
> *down*from that
>   2. for each node finding its parent
>   3. for each parent finding its children
>   4. remove the children from the list of nodes at that level
>   5. putting the children into an array keyed on the parent
>   6. repeat through the remaining nodes of that level
>   7. marshaling the array
>   8. going up a level
>
> Others used to dealing with hierarchical tree structure using XML or
> similar
> may have a "design pattern". Any suggestions? Alternatively might give up,
> and see if I can use forward tree walking and a more suitable data
> structure
> like XML or the new arrays. Is backward walking of tree structures ever
> necessary - or can the same thing generally be achieved with forward
> walking?
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Re: Access to Rev User Interface Controls

[Eric Chatonet]

Bonsoir Gregory,

Le 11 sept. 08 à 17:50, Gregory Lypny a écrit :

I'm interested in learning how to create and script some of the  
controls, such as the field expander and title bar in list fields,  
that appear in Revolution's Dictionary user interface.  It used to  
be that if I checked "Revolution UI elements appear in lists of  
stacks" and the associated shortcut for editing scripts, then I  
could look at the scripts of these objects and copy the objects  
themselves.  In version 3, I can still look at the scripts, most of  
which appear empty, but I can't select objects.  Any way around  
this, or are there any examples that would help me learn to create  
them?


The best way to access IDE objects is:

1. In Preferences General pane check the 'Contextual menus work in  
Revolution windows' box.
2. Then use Shift/Control/Option (Alt) click to make the contextual  
menu showing up.

3. Do all you want.

Best regards from Paris,
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Re: PCWorld

[Bob Sneidar]

Me 2.

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

On Sep 11, 2008, at 10:22 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Chris Sheffield wrote:

Way to go RunRev. I may be wrong, but this is the first time in my
memory that there has been an announcement on PCWorld.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/150946/.html?tk=rss_news

Congratulations!


Wow, that's great! I just clicked the "thumbs up" icon. :)

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RE: Walking Trees Backwards

[Randall Reetz]

If you aren't a computer scientist then what kind of scientist are you?  If you 
have code that builds trees as indented outlines then walking down them usually 
just means moving back up the text file line by line untill there are one less 
tabs in front of a line, etc.  If you bracket your leading tabs with a special 
char then you can search for the correct number of tabs if you can use find or 
offset in reverse... Or on a flipped instance of the text.  If you are 
constantly navigating and never pruning or adding to your trees it is sometimes 
more efficient to store complete ancestor pathes with each leaf or branc.  If 
you learn to always keep the current complete path as you swim around your tree 
you can navigate far easer (or in this specific case you wouldnt have to... 
Just move backwards down your path).  Does any of this help?  

-Original Message-
From: "David Bovill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Sent: 9/11/2008 7:43 AM
Subject: Walking Trees Backwards

No before anyone asks this isn't a new age thing :) It's about hierarchical
(tree) data structures - not being a computer scientist its out of my
league, and I feel that someone who knows a bit about these beasts can
advise.

*Task*
I want to put an indented outline (more generally a tree structure) into an
array.

*Background*
An outline is your regular tab indented outline you might have in a word
processor or a rev field. I have a small library for these structures as I
have to deal with them a lot - so I can turn them into XML and use paths
(nodes) and get children and parent relationships etc. Quite a lot of them
are recursive.

*Problem*
With XML I could add the bits as I walked down the tree. I think I can do
the same with the new array structures in 3.0 - but for compatibility I was
thinking of using a technique for marshaling arrays - that allows arrays to
be arbitrarily nested - but for that I need to walk the trees backwards from
leaf to trunk. This is getting complicated - I dislike recursion at the best
of times - but backwards recursion with marshaling doesn't not sound good :)

I am thinking of something roughly along the lines of:

   1. working out the maximum depth of the outline and then repeating
*down*from that
   2. for each node finding its parent
   3. for each parent finding its children
   4. remove the children from the list of nodes at that level
   5. putting the children into an array keyed on the parent
   6. repeat through the remaining nodes of that level
   7. marshaling the array
   8. going up a level

Others used to dealing with hierarchical tree structure using XML or similar
may have a "design pattern". Any suggestions? Alternatively might give up,
and see if I can use forward tree walking and a more suitable data structure
like XML or the new arrays. Is backward walking of tree structures ever
necessary - or can the same thing generally be achieved with forward
walking?
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Re: Arrays: new and old keys, i

[Andrew Meit]

Me too! I am frustrated that once again Rev ships new features without  
full docs or full examples.
Please anyone who deeply understands the new arrays teach all,  
thanks. :-)

Better yet a small library of wrappers that finish them off.
Just for the record, I did bug report the missing doc while testing.

Shalom, Andrew
{Choose Life, Create Hope, Nurture Love, Wrestle Faith...}


On Sep 11, 2008, at 1:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:


Oh - and anyone know where to find some documentation on the
multidimensional arrays in Rev3.0?


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Re: PCWorld

[J. Landman Gay]

Chris Sheffield wrote:
Way to go RunRev. I may be wrong, but this is the first time in my 
memory that there has been an announcement on PCWorld.


http://www.pcworld.com/article/150946/.html?tk=rss_news

Congratulations!


Wow, that's great! I just clicked the "thumbs up" icon. :)

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PCWorld

[Chris Sheffield]

Way to go RunRev. I may be wrong, but this is the first time in my  
memory that there has been an announcement on PCWorld.


http://www.pcworld.com/article/150946/.html?tk=rss_news

Congratulations!

Chris


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Re: Arrays: new and old keys

[David Bovill]

Oh - and anyone know where to find some documentation on the
multidimensional arrays in Rev3.0?

2008/9/11 David Bovill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> There were some unspecified limits on keys with the old array structures,
> and even more with the GUI's that displayed them :) Array values could
> always take binary values - so anything basically but the keys could not -
> so for instance UTF8 unicode keys won't work. Does anyone know what exactly
> is or isn't allowed for the old keys, and whether this still applies to the
> new arrays?
>
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Arrays: new and old keys

[David Bovill]

There were some unspecified limits on keys with the old array structures,
and even more with the GUI's that displayed them :) Array values could
always take binary values - so anything basically but the keys could not -
so for instance UTF8 unicode keys won't work. Does anyone know what exactly
is or isn't allowed for the old keys, and whether this still applies to the
new arrays?
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Access to Rev User Interface Controls

[Gregory Lypny]

Hello everyone,

I'm interested in learning how to create and script some of the  
controls, such as the field expander and title bar in list fields,  
that appear in Revolution's Dictionary user interface.  It used to be  
that if I checked "Revolution UI elements appear in lists of stacks"  
and the associated shortcut for editing scripts, then I could look at  
the scripts of these objects and copy the objects themselves.  In  
version 3, I can still look at the scripts, most of which appear  
empty, but I can't select objects.  Any way around this, or are there  
any examples that would help me learn to create them?


Regards,

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Re: AW: AW: AW: AW: slown down of IDE 2.9 under windows

[Richard Gaskin]

Tiemo Hollmann wrote:
> Actually I didn't thought that 2300 lines of code could affect
> the IDE and as I posted before, the slowdown is already with
> only IDE open, without any stack open, very curious.

Definitely odd.  This may not be necessary, but have you considered a 
fresh install?  If nothing else it'll help ensure you're back to the 
default configuration, reducing the deltas between your experience and 
that of systems performing better.


> A bit of history:
> There is a competitive product of rev, Toolbook (which has the same
> Hypercard derivation as Rev) which has the 2^15 KB char limit per
> field still today :-)

Nice to see another ToolBook refugee here.  Before I jumped on the 
MetaCard/Rev bandwagon I did the programming on a CBT series for a major 
retail chain with ToolBook.  I liked many things about it (esp. the 
direct script access to OS APIs), but alas my clients just can't afford 
to use platform-specific tools anymore.


Is it still $2,495?  I visited toolbook.com to check the prices, but 
when I clicked the Store link I got:


  Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server error '80040e14'
  Incorrect syntax near '='.
  /30094192/init.asp, line 41

Like I said, my clients can't afford to use platform-specific tools. ;)

They're up to v9.5 and still have that text limit?  Odd.  Coupled with 
the multi-year span between v7 and v8, I gotta wonder what's up with 
that code base.


TB's boot sequence (at least as of v7, the last I used) is very strange, 
with DLLs and script libraries in at least three different directories 
across the hard drive.  I discussed this with their support staff while 
I was having a tough time tracking down a strange bug, and at the time 
they said they had no documentation on the boot sequence so I was left 
to my own devices to track it down.  After I'd figured it out I 
submitted documentation on it to the team, and to the best of my 
knowledge that was the only support documentation on the boot sequence 
they had for some time.  I was happy to help -- they were really nice 
people -- but it seemed an odd omission for a system that complex.


That's one of the things I loved about the Rev engine the moment I 
started using it:  it delivers a self-contained EXE, and a surprisingly 
small one at that.


Even today, when I deliver products to Fortune 500 companies, their IT 
staff sometimes ask me what else is needed for installation and are 
surprised when I tell them the little EXE is all they need.  "What DLLs 
does it need?" they ask.  "None", I say.  They walk away confused but 
happy. :)


Still, there are some very good ideas in ToolBook, some of which would 
benefit us here, like the new iPhone deployment option.



PS: I found the issue with TB's Store:  seems they require cookies, but 
don't provide a warning when they're turned off (love Firefox's privacy 
options).  The current price is $2,795.  Makes Rev Enterprise look like 
a steal, even more so when you consider the multi-platform deployment 
options.


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Using arrow keys to move from card to card

[Marian Petrides, MD]

I have a stack which functions just as I intend it except for one  
card.  When run from a splash screen standalone, that arrow keys on my  
Mac can be used to go forward and backwards in the stack--UNTIL I get  
to cd 10.  On Cd 10 the arrow keys do not navigate to the next or  
previous cd, they just seem to do nothing.  If I get to CD 11 by using  
scripted buttons, then keyboard arrow keys work fine, as they do on  
every other card.


For the life of me, I can't find the spot where keyboard navigation  
got toggled off on CD 10.  Can anyone help me?


TIA

Marian
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Re: AW: AW: AW: slown down of IDE 2.9 under windows

[Jerry Daniels]

Richard,

10-4, good buddy. Just setting expectations, here.

Best,

Jerry

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FUTURE.





On Sep 11, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Jerry Daniels wrote:

On Sep 10, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

put the script of stack "StackWithABunchOfcode"

That will dump the text of the script into the Message Box.  If  
it  takes about the same time as it does to open GLX2 with the  
same  script, the issue lies elsewhere.
I can tell you right now that GLX2 does NOT render a script as fast  
as  you can put a script into a message box. Not even close. If the  
user  is colorizing scripts and showing links to handlers in  
scripts, then  this will take some millisecs, depending upon the  
machine, OS and  processor. But I wouldn't think 2300 lines of code  
is much of a  challenge for GLX2 Script Editor.
When I open my large test script with the Rev 3.0 script editor it   
does not happen instantly, either.


I think I would win "Understatement of the Year" if I referred to  
you as an experienced scripter. :)  I understand you do some nifty  
processing of the script to put in the links etc., but I also  
understand you know what you're doing and suspect that any such  
difference would not be noticeable, at least not enough to cause the  
sort of slowdown noted here.


That's why this subjective test is perhaps more useful than a formal  
benchmark:  for a slowdown to be really noticeable it would have to  
be severe, likely more severe than any amount of processing GLX2  
could be doing on a mere 2300-line script.


I suggested this only as a first step in diagnosis, establishing  
some sort of baseline to hopefully lead us to the root cause.   GLX2  
users seem very happy with the editor, so I suspect the root cause  
will be found elsewhere.  But to find that root cause it will be  
useful to remove variables from the equation, so testing raw script  
access seems a good starting point.


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Re: semi-OT: can Rev pre-populate data on a web form?

[Chris Sheffield]

Just wanted to write and say thanks to Trevor, Ben, and Jim. Using the  
web form is working great. I just needed a little push in the right  
direction, and I got it here. So thanks for the suggestions.


Chris

On Sep 5, 2008, at 3:28 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote:


Chris Sheffield wrote:
So my main question is, can Rev send data to a web form like this  
in such a way that whatever fields we specify will be populated  
when the browser/form opens? Not sure if something like this is  
even possible. I haven't done enough web development to know. Is  
some special JavaScript required to accomplish this? In thinking  
this through a little more, if we have a web form that's already  
set up to send an email, can't I take advantage of that in Rev by  
creating my own form and then sending the data straight to the cgi  
behind the form? Once again, I haven't done much web dev, so I may  
not even know what I'm talking about. :-)


If anyone can help or can offer any other suggestions for how to
accomplish something similar, it'd be much appreciated.



If I've understood your request correctly, you really want a Rev  
stack to
collect some information from the user, and have it arrive at your  
server in
the form of an email.  There's a simple way to get what you want, I  
think.


Using the SMTP libraries should make this possible, but has some  
issues, in
particular your rev stack then needs to know the address of a mail  
server it
can use from within the user's network to send email.  But if you  
have a web
form on your server that's successfully sending email where you want  
it,

there's no need to open a user's browser to view it.  Instead, Rev can
effectively be that web form.

(Apologies if what follows is teaching my granny to suck eggs.) If  
you look at
the source of the web page, it will contain a "form" element with an  
action
and a method.  The action is the address of a server-side resource  
(a script
etc) which receives the values entered into the form and processes  
it, in this
case by sending an email.  The method is either POST or GET.  If  
it's GET,
then the resource expects the values in the URL string, eg if I fill  
in this

simple form







my browser will next fetch a URL like this:
 ./formmail.cgi?first=Ben&last=Rubinstein

(the first part of the URL being constructed based on the URL of the  
page

holding the form, adjusted by the 'action' of the form.)

Lecture over; the point is that executing

put "./formmail.cgi?first=Ben&last=Rubinstein" into tURL
get URL tURL

or perhaps more likely
put "./formmail.cgi" into tScriptURL
put tScriptURL \
   & "?first=" & tFirstName \
& "&last=" & tLastName \
into tURL
get URL tURL



in your Rev stack will have exactly* the same effect on the  
'formmail.cgi'
resource as the user entering those details into their browser.  At  
this point
Rev is acting like a browser, making a request of the web server.   
So no need

to open an actual browser.

If the form uses the POST method instead, then it's only slightly more
complicated.  Instead of get URL, you need to use the "post"  
command, which

will look something more like this:

put libURLformData("first", tFirstName, "last", tLastName) into tData
post tData to tScriptURL

There will be a few complications along the way; you should read the
(splending new in 3.0) docs, check out functions like URLencode, and  
above
all, test.  But either way, given that you have the web form  
already, this is

probably the simplest route to achieve what you want.

HTH,

- Ben


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Re: Rev 3.0 Cloning problem

[Richard Gaskin]

John Tregea wrote:

Thanks for the guidance. Both your version and mine just stopped at the line 


clone stack "resource_template"

That line is executed (and the resource_template stack is cloned), but the
next line is not.


Try inserting this line immediately after the "clone" statement:

  put the result

If that's empty, then move it down one line and see what it returns.

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Re: AW: AW: AW: slown down of IDE 2.9 under windows

[Richard Gaskin]

Jerry Daniels wrote:

On Sep 10, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


 put the script of stack "StackWithABunchOfcode"

That will dump the text of the script into the Message Box.  If it  
takes about the same time as it does to open GLX2 with the same  
script, the issue lies elsewhere.


I can tell you right now that GLX2 does NOT render a script as fast as  
you can put a script into a message box. Not even close. If the user  
is colorizing scripts and showing links to handlers in scripts, then  
this will take some millisecs, depending upon the machine, OS and  
processor. But I wouldn't think 2300 lines of code is much of a  
challenge for GLX2 Script Editor.


When I open my large test script with the Rev 3.0 script editor it  
does not happen instantly, either.


I think I would win "Understatement of the Year" if I referred to you as 
an experienced scripter. :)  I understand you do some nifty processing 
of the script to put in the links etc., but I also understand you know 
what you're doing and suspect that any such difference would not be 
noticeable, at least not enough to cause the sort of slowdown noted here.


That's why this subjective test is perhaps more useful than a formal 
benchmark:  for a slowdown to be really noticeable it would have to be 
severe, likely more severe than any amount of processing GLX2 could be 
doing on a mere 2300-line script.


I suggested this only as a first step in diagnosis, establishing some 
sort of baseline to hopefully lead us to the root cause.   GLX2 users 
seem very happy with the editor, so I suspect the root cause will be 
found elsewhere.  But to find that root cause it will be useful to 
remove variables from the equation, so testing raw script access seems a 
good starting point.


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Walking Trees Backwards

[David Bovill]

No before anyone asks this isn't a new age thing :) It's about hierarchical
(tree) data structures - not being a computer scientist its out of my
league, and I feel that someone who knows a bit about these beasts can
advise.

*Task*
I want to put an indented outline (more generally a tree structure) into an
array.

*Background*
An outline is your regular tab indented outline you might have in a word
processor or a rev field. I have a small library for these structures as I
have to deal with them a lot - so I can turn them into XML and use paths
(nodes) and get children and parent relationships etc. Quite a lot of them
are recursive.

*Problem*
With XML I could add the bits as I walked down the tree. I think I can do
the same with the new array structures in 3.0 - but for compatibility I was
thinking of using a technique for marshaling arrays - that allows arrays to
be arbitrarily nested - but for that I need to walk the trees backwards from
leaf to trunk. This is getting complicated - I dislike recursion at the best
of times - but backwards recursion with marshaling doesn't not sound good :)

I am thinking of something roughly along the lines of:

   1. working out the maximum depth of the outline and then repeating
*down*from that
   2. for each node finding its parent
   3. for each parent finding its children
   4. remove the children from the list of nodes at that level
   5. putting the children into an array keyed on the parent
   6. repeat through the remaining nodes of that level
   7. marshaling the array
   8. going up a level

Others used to dealing with hierarchical tree structure using XML or similar
may have a "design pattern". Any suggestions? Alternatively might give up,
and see if I can use forward tree walking and a more suitable data structure
like XML or the new arrays. Is backward walking of tree structures ever
necessary - or can the same thing generally be achieved with forward
walking?
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Re: Re: chat protocols

[Malte Brill]

Andre: Thanks. It appears M$ changed their protocol, so I will need to  
get in touch with S.


David: I am VERY interested to learn more about your library.

All the best,

Malte
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RE: Mirye Monthly Release: Mirye RevCamp Issue 809

[Lynn Fredricks]

> What would you say about starting your own mailing list 
> rather than sending your newsletter to this list? If we all 
> start sending our newsletters to this list, I think it'll get 
> a bit cluttered.

Hi Mark,

The majority of RevCamp is a unique, monthly package of free stuff - not
really a newsletter but a sort of glue around several small releases.

There are too many hooks in Runtime Revolution and in the license process
for our customers not to end up here on this list. Runtime Revolution isnt
developed with OEMing in mind and I wouldn't want to burden the developers
with a request to do that.

That said, anyone who makes a major release of their Revolution add-on
should make sure they send us their press releases. It doesn't matter if you
aren't in our online store, so long as you maintain your own presence on the
internet.  The Revolution community could use more organized clutter. A sure
sign of a healthy development tool ecosystem is the size and viability of
its third party tool supplier market, as well as the number of consulting
companies that support it. We are very happy to support and be supported by
developers like DerBrill and Jerry's new Rev Mentor service, because in the
end, it means we all generate more revenue to in turn support and grow that
ecosystem.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Mirye Software Publishing
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Mirye Community NING
http://miryesoftware.ning.com 

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Re: AW: AW: AW: slown down of IDE 2.9 under windows

[Jerry Daniels]

On Sep 10, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


 put the script of stack "StackWithABunchOfcode"

That will dump the text of the script into the Message Box.  If it  
takes about the same time as it does to open GLX2 with the same  
script, the issue lies elsewhere.


I can tell you right now that GLX2 does NOT render a script as fast as  
you can put a script into a message box. Not even close. If the user  
is colorizing scripts and showing links to handlers in scripts, then  
this will take some millisecs, depending upon the machine, OS and  
processor. But I wouldn't think 2300 lines of code is much of a  
challenge for GLX2 Script Editor.


When I open my large test script with the Rev 3.0 script editor it  
does not happen instantly, either.


Best,

Jerry Daniels

Daniels & Mara, Inc.
Makers of GLX2
http://www.glx2.com


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Re: [FYI] WEBKIT

[David Bovill]

True - haven't done that - think it wouldn't distinguish between identical
frameworks installed in different places. I guess my main interest is where
the WebKit framework that Rev uses is.

By looking in the bundles of Safari and the nightly WebKit.app builds - it
is clear that Safari is using a system library framework, while the
WebKitt.app bundles the frameworks inside the bundle - which makes sense. I
assume Rev does the same thing as Safari, all though I have established that
some Safari plugins do not take with Rev's WebKit. Apparently this is
because plugins can be written in such a way as to depend on Safari
specifics and not just WebKit?

2008/9/10 Ken Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>
>
> > I'm trying to figure out which WebKit framework revBrowser uses, and
> > therefore how it interacts with upgrades, and installation of Safari
> > plugins.
>
> Can you get the user agent? It should have the version and build number of
> WebKit that it uses in the result (or so I've been told).
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Re: chat protocols

[David Bovill]

I'll be upgrading my Jabber / GoogleTalk library - once I've finished
catching up with Rev 3.0.
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Re: Play iTunes protected videos

[Luis]

You CAN buy backup software in the EU...

Cheers,

Luis.


On 11 Sep 2008, at 10:58, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


"Insofar as I can recall, unless explicitly stated (especially in more
recent documents) you ARE 'permitted' to make a BACKUP of any media
you own, provided that is its sole purpose.
Wether it is usable (DRM) that's another matter...

Cheers,

Luis."

Not in the EU!



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Re: Mirye Monthly Release: Mirye RevCamp Issue 809

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Lynn,

What would you say about starting your own mailing list rather than  
sending your newsletter to this list? If we all start sending our  
newsletters to this list, I think it'll get a bit cluttered.


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 for more info.


On 11 sep 2008, at 00:33, Lynn Fredricks wrote:


http://www.mirye.com/index.php/Latest/Mirye-RevCamp-Issue-809.html

Hello all,

We've posted our second monthly release, given it a different name and
modified the format. Each month, we offer a goodie bag of additional
materials of interest to Mirye Revolution customers who are eligible  
for
upgrades. Since a number of months of updates are included when you  
order

Revolution, we want to have every month count.

This is our "Back to School" issue of RevCamp, which includes a nice
replacement set of art-icons for HyperCard->Revolution porting and  
two weeks
of Jerry Daniel's new Rev Mentor service. Qualified Mirye Revolution  
Studio
and Enterprise customers are also receiving the full version of  
Animation
Engine - now a $79 value. Limited time benefits are only available  
in the
month they are released, so if you are eligible, its worth the  
effort to

download them while they are available.

Let me anticipate your first question - there are 168 unique icons/ 
images in

the set :-)

There are also some newsbytes on offers, pricing and some article  
"reprints"

that are of interest to new customers.

Over the next several months, we will be dramatically upgrading our  
website
and "form" of RevCamp. If you've written some articles on  
Revolution, or

would like to contribute, please follow up with me off-list. We are
targeting a slightly different segment of customer than Runtime that  
is
learning Revolution and scripting for the first time, but also  
bringing on

more institutional customers, such as the US Department of Justice.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Mirye Software Publishing
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Play iTunes protected videos

[Richmond Mathewson]

"Insofar as I can recall, unless explicitly stated (especially in more  
recent documents) you ARE 'permitted' to make a BACKUP of any media  
you own, provided that is its sole purpose.
Wether it is usable (DRM) that's another matter...

Cheers,

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AW: Can you realise a transparent hover color for buttons?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Thank you Eric, yes I will go the approach with PNGs
Tiemo

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:use-revolution-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Eric Chatonet
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. September 2008 09:33
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: Can you realise a transparent hover color for buttons?
> 
> Bonjour Tiemo,
> 
> If I understand your problem correctly*, I don't think you can
> achieve your goal without building your own control.
> How to create custom controls using PNG images tutorial might help you:
> This stack shows how, using PNG images with transparency, you are
> able to create any nice custom control.
> Three examples are provided: a standard button, a progress bar and a
> sprite effect.
> 
> You will access this tutorial through "Tutorials Picker" a free
> plugin that interfaces with the So Smart Software website in order to
> display all available tutorials stacks directly from the web.
> You will find it by going to http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
> Revolution/Plugins or Tutorials section.
> 
> * I assume you don't want to 'blend level' the whole control (text
> and button's borders).
> 
> Le 10 sept. 08 à 14:21, Tiemo Hollmann TB a écrit :
> 
> > I have some text buttons, where I would like to realise a hover effect
> > (mouseover) with a (50%) opaque/transparent color of the button
> > (like the
> > menu items of MS Office products on Win). Up to now I can't see a
> > solution
> > for this. As standard properties I can only set icons for hover
> > (which would
> > only make sense with icon buttons, not with text buttons, no
> > colors, nore
> > transparent colors. If I would make my hover effect myself with
> > mouseenter,
> > I can't control the transparency of the button color, just solid
> > colors.
> >
> > Am I right that these are the two options for making a hover effect
> > (icons
> > or solid colors), or is there a trick with a workaround to create a
> > 50%
> > opacity hover effect? Probably is a set of icons anyway the
> > solution of
> > choice.
> 
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.
> 
> Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/
> 
> 
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Re: Play iTunes protected videos

[Luis]

Hiya,

Insofar as I can recall, unless explicitly stated (especially in more  
recent documents) you ARE 'permitted' to make a BACKUP of any media  
you own, provided that is its sole purpose.

Wether it is usable (DRM) that's another matter...

Cheers,

Luis.


On 10 Sep 2008, at 21:24, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


Hum!

It never ceases to amaze me that this sort of questions are even  
asked.
As quickly as people develop electronic protection schemes other  
people work out ways to get round them.


I have just spent 2 minutes searching with Google and, could,  
should I wish (which I don't as I don't own any DRM or other-wise  
protected media files), undo the protection "lickety-split".


Presumably Apple, in their "infinite wisdom", have protected their  
media files just exactly so that everybody, including RR  
programmers and end-users, cannot play them.


However, as Runtime Revolution works with Quicktime, it should play  
any file that Quicktime can play. It is probably necessary to  
'tell' Revolution to play DRM audio files using the Player object  
as if they were video files; i.e. define DRM audio files with  
videoClip rather than with audioClip. A few years ago I authored a  
CD-ROM for Scottish High Schools on music education; I converted  
all the original sound files into MOV files (using a blank image as  
a dummy video file); this allowed for a good level of end-user  
control via "play videoClip at xx,xx".


Personally I object to the following:

I am legally not allowed to make a backup copy of a DVD I own
(bl**dy silly when it gets damaged),

similarly with music CDs,

I am legally not allowed to transfer data from gramophone records I  
own to home made music CDs for my own use,


I am legally not allowed to transfer data from cassette tapes I own  
to home made music CDs for my own use,


I am legally not allowed to transfer data from VHS tapes I own to  
home made DVDs for my own use.


As a result my home is full of gramophone players, cassette  
players, VHS players and so forth, taking up an awful lot of space.  
I am a child of the 1970s who grew up with a cheap cassette  
recorder and an even cheaper record-player: my friends and I "cross- 
copied" without being aware of doing anything 'naughty'. We all  
spent quite a lot of our parents' hard-earned money on records.


So why on earth I should pay money for a DRM-protected piece of  
music I cannot pop onto a CD to listen to on a picnic, or, even,  
transfer to another of my machines so that I can listen to it in  
another room, I don't know.



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Re: Can you realise a transparent hover color for buttons?

[Eric Chatonet]

Bonjour Tiemo,

If I understand your problem correctly*, I don't think you can  
achieve your goal without building your own control.

How to create custom controls using PNG images tutorial might help you:
This stack shows how, using PNG images with transparency, you are  
able to create any nice custom control.
Three examples are provided: a standard button, a progress bar and a  
sprite effect.


You will access this tutorial through "Tutorials Picker" a free  
plugin that interfaces with the So Smart Software website in order to  
display all available tutorials stacks directly from the web.

You will find it by going to http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
Revolution/Plugins or Tutorials section.

* I assume you don't want to 'blend level' the whole control (text  
and button's borders).


Le 10 sept. 08 à 14:21, Tiemo Hollmann TB a écrit :


I have some text buttons, where I would like to realise a hover effect
(mouseover) with a (50%) opaque/transparent color of the button  
(like the
menu items of MS Office products on Win). Up to now I can't see a  
solution
for this. As standard properties I can only set icons for hover  
(which would
only make sense with icon buttons, not with text buttons, no  
colors, nore
transparent colors. If I would make my hover effect myself with  
mouseenter,
I can't control the transparency of the button color, just solid  
colors.


Am I right that these are the two options for making a hover effect  
(icons
or solid colors), or is there a trick with a workaround to create a  
50%
opacity hover effect? Probably is a set of icons anyway the  
solution of

choice.


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

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