Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A couple of questions re footers, Calc/Writer locking up system

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Ahh, you can switch off Java in just LibreOffice and leave it running
in the OS as a whole.
Regards from
Tom :)

On 3 April 2014 02:21, Joe Aquilina  wrote:
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> We have LibreOffice on a variety of machines, none are what I would call low
> spec machines. The machines that have been displaying the locking up error
> are reasonably high spec (high end i7 cpus, plenty of RAM mid-range graphics
> cards) so I don't think that the specs are an issue here. However I will try
> changing the memory settings and see if makes any difference.
>
> I will also try switching off Java, at least on my machine. I seem tor
> recall that the boss saying that there was a reason why he needed to have
> Java running; I just don't remember why just now.
>
> Thanks again, I will keep searching if these suggestions don't help.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Joe Aquilina
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO for iPad, big deal or big yawn

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I think those sorts of points are more valid than most of the points
put forwards in the article.  Steven seemed to be having a "bad hair
day" or something because usually he is far more scintillating and
makes good points.  This time he seems to have missed some obvious
ones.  I still think it's good to vote and/or make a comment.
Regards from
Tom :)


On 2 April 2014 17:06, Cley Faye  wrote:
> 2014-04-02 18:00 GMT+02:00 Jean-Francois Nifenecker <
> jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net>:
>
>> I haven't got any smartphone, so I'm just wondering: what use for office
>> software on such a small screen as a smartphone one? Is the software
>> usable at all?
>>
>
> On a smartphone? Maybe the ability to read a document is interesting, but
> that's it.
>
> However, tablets have decent screen estate, and can easily be combined with
> mouse/keyboard as needed, while being more convenient than a whole laptop.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Non-PDF Portable Document Formats (Exporting from LO)

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I'm not clear why not jsut have everyone install Libreoffice alongside
whatever other programs they have and then encrypt the ODF files (odt
for text, ods for spreadsheets etc)
Regards from
Tom :)


On 2 April 2014 18:48, Hal Vaughan  wrote:
> I'm working on an e-reader for special purposes.  While I don't want to go 
> into a discussion of the point of this program and why I'm doing another, a 
> brief summary may help.  As a writer, I don't like sending my work over email 
> or other insecure methods of internet transfer.  This e-reader would let me 
> (and my writer friends) share our work easily with our friends while keeping 
> it encrypted during transfer and even on the reader's computer.  The file is 
> read in and decrypted when displayed for reading.  This would also let me 
> make early drafts expire so they can be ditched when they're obsolete.
>
> I still haven't decided what language to use for this.  Initially it'll work 
> on OSX, Windows, and Linux.  I'd like to expand it to Android and iOS.  
> There's a good chance it'd be in C++ or Java, but it would be great if I 
> could do it in Python.  (I know of Kivy and other efforts that would make it 
> easy for me to transport Python to at least Android.)
>
> The problem is I need some kind of portable document format.  I know that 
> implies, immediately, PDF.  However, there seems to be only one library that 
> handles PDF display, and that's Poppler.  I'm not an expert programmer (at 
> least not in C++), and when I've asked for help from the Poppler people, 
> they've been abrupt and less than helpful.
>
> I'd like to be able to write in LO, then save or export my file, and have it 
> in a format I can easily display on the different operating systems.
>
> I tried saving some files in HTML.  The plain text ones were no problem at 
> all.  Margins and formatting was preserved just as I needed it.  But then I 
> tried one that was part of a pitch, so it had a page of text, then a page of 
> pictures, basically two columns of pictures with captions below each picture. 
>  I loaded that in a browser and the formatting was okay on the first page, 
> but was totally messed up on the 2nd page with the pictures.
>
> As best I can tell, at this point, there is not a portable library out there 
> that I can use from within a program to easily display ODT files, but that 
> would be a great solution.
>
> So what format can I use when exporting from LibreOffice, other than PDF, 
> that can be easily displayed by any libraries in either Java, C++, or Python?
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Hal
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Non-PDF Portable Document Formats (Exporting from LO)

[Hal Vaughan]

On Apr 2, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Pedro  wrote:

> Hal Vaughan-2 wrote
>> 1) There is not yet any LibreOffice for Android or iOs
> 
> There is AndrOpen Office. It's not the same as LO but it supports viewing
> and editing ODT files.
> 
> 
> Hal Vaughan-2 wrote
>> 2) It defeats the purpose of any encryption if a person can open the file,
>> then save it in any format
>> 3) It allows someone to open the file, make changes, and do what they want
>> with it.
> 
> Then you really need PDF or maybe epub (apparently it also supports
> encryption and DRM). Google is your friend ;)

Yes, I’ve spent many hours on this on Google.

I was hoping that there might be something I couldn’t find or didn’t know about 
that might help.

And, actually, the DRM is encryption that I’d be handling on my own - basically 
wrapping a file input stream with an encryption stream.


Hal
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Non-PDF Portable Document Formats (Exporting from LO)

[Mark Bourne]

Hal Vaughan wrote:

I’m working on an e-reader for special purposes.  While I don’t want to go into 
a discussion of the point of this program and why I’m doing another, a brief 
summary may help.  As a writer, I don’t like sending my work over email or 
other insecure methods of internet transfer.  This e-reader would let me (and 
my writer friends) share our work easily with our friends while keeping it 
encrypted during transfer and even on the reader’s computer.  The file is read 
in and decrypted when displayed for reading.  This would also let me make early 
drafts expire so they can be ditched when they’re obsolete.

I still haven’t decided what language to use for this.  Initially it’ll work on 
OSX, Windows, and Linux.  I’d like to expand it to Android and iOS.  There’s a 
good chance it’d be in C++ or Java, but it would be great if I could do it in 
Python.  (I know of Kivy and other efforts that would make it easy for me to 
transport Python to at least Android.)

The problem is I need some kind of portable document format.  I know that 
implies, immediately, PDF.  However, there seems to be only one library that 
handles PDF display, and that’s Poppler.  I’m not an expert programmer (at 
least not in C++), and when I’ve asked for help from the Poppler people, 
they’ve been abrupt and less than helpful.

I’d like to be able to write in LO, then save or export my file, and have it in 
a format I can easily display on the different operating systems.

I tried saving some files in HTML.  The plain text ones were no problem at all. 
 Margins and formatting was preserved just as I needed it.  But then I tried 
one that was part of a pitch, so it had a page of text, then a page of 
pictures, basically two columns of pictures with captions below each picture.  
I loaded that in a browser and the formatting was okay on the first page, but 
was totally messed up on the 2nd page with the pictures.


I don't know much about e-reader formats, but Calibre 
(http://calibre-ebook.com/) can convert various file types (including 
ODT) into various formats used on e-readers (EPUB, MOBI, AZW3, ...) So 
far I've only used it to convert a few files to view on my Kindle, so 
not sure about support for adding encryption / DRM, but it might be 
worth a look as a starting point to modify or just for ideas.


Mark.


As best I can tell, at this point, there is not a portable library out there 
that I can use from within a program to easily display ODT files, but that 
would be a great solution.

So what format can I use when exporting from LibreOffice, other than PDF, that 
can be easily displayed by any libraries in either Java, C++, or Python?


Thanks!



Hal



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Non-PDF Portable Document Formats (Exporting from LO)

[Hal Vaughan]

On Apr 2, 2014, at 2:34 PM, V Stuart Foote  wrote:

> Top posting answer to Hal...
> 
> See either of two ways to proceed, since LibreOffice already bases it PDF 
> page rendering on Poppler and bundles it, you might as well  work against 
> that and write a LibreOffice extension.
> 
> Alternative might be the java source code from Writer2LaTex project 
> (http://writer2latex.sourceforge.net/ ) for the Writer2xhtml that will handle 
> ODF document conversion directly to EPUB. Or simply use the extension as is 
> with LibreOffice. 
> 
> Stuart

Thanks!  I had not thought of LaTex.  I’ve never had to use it before, so it’s 
always been "something they use," and I missed it.  And, believe it or not, I 
had not thought of EPUB.  Guess that’s why I ask questions like this!


Hal


> -Original Message-
>> From: Hal Vaughan [mailto:li...@halblog.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:49 PM
>> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Non-PDF Portable Document Formats (Exporting
>> from LO)
>> 
>> I'm working on an e-reader for special purposes.  While I don't want to go
>> into a discussion of the point of this program and why I'm doing another, a
>> brief summary may help.  As a writer, I don't like sending my work over email
>> or other insecure methods of internet transfer.  This e-reader would let me
>> (and my writer friends) share our work easily with our friends while keeping
>> it encrypted during transfer and even on the reader's computer.  The file is
>> read in and decrypted when displayed for reading.  This would also let me
>> make early drafts expire so they can be ditched when they're obsolete.
>> 
>> I still haven't decided what language to use for this.  Initially it'll work 
>> on OSX,
>> Windows, and Linux.  I'd like to expand it to Android and iOS.  There's a 
>> good
>> chance it'd be in C++ or Java, but it would be great if I could do it in 
>> Python.  (I
>> know of Kivy and other efforts that would make it easy for me to transport
>> Python to at least Android.)
>> 
>> The problem is I need some kind of portable document format.  I know that
>> implies, immediately, PDF.  However, there seems to be only one library that
>> handles PDF display, and that's Poppler.  I'm not an expert programmer (at
>> least not in C++), and when I've asked for help from the Poppler people,
>> they've been abrupt and less than helpful.
>> 
>> I'd like to be able to write in LO, then save or export my file, and have it 
>> in a
>> format I can easily display on the different operating systems.
>> 
>> I tried saving some files in HTML.  The plain text ones were no problem at 
>> all.
>> Margins and formatting was preserved just as I needed it.  But then I tried
>> one that was part of a pitch, so it had a page of text, then a page of 
>> pictures,
>> basically two columns of pictures with captions below each picture.  I loaded
>> that in a browser and the formatting was okay on the first page, but was
>> totally messed up on the 2nd page with the pictures.
>> 
>> As best I can tell, at this point, there is not a portable library out there 
>> that I
>> can use from within a program to easily display ODT files, but that would be 
>> a
>> great solution.
>> 
>> So what format can I use when exporting from LibreOffice, other than PDF,
>> that can be easily displayed by any libraries in either Java, C++, or Python?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hal
> 
> 
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[libreoffice-users] Re: A couple of questions re footers, Calc/Writer locking up system

[Joe Aquilina]

Thanks for the reply.

We have LibreOffice on a variety of machines, none are what I would call low
spec machines. The machines that have been displaying the locking up error
are reasonably high spec (high end i7 cpus, plenty of RAM mid-range graphics
cards) so I don't think that the specs are an issue here. However I will try
changing the memory settings and see if makes any difference.

I will also try switching off Java, at least on my machine. I seem tor
recall that the boss saying that there was a reason why he needed to have
Java running; I just don't remember why just now.

Thanks again, I will keep searching if these suggestions don't help.

Cheers.

Joe Aquilina



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Non-PDF Portable Document Formats (Exporting from LO)

[Pedro]

Hal Vaughan-2 wrote
> 1) There is not yet any LibreOffice for Android or iOs

There is AndrOpen Office. It's not the same as LO but it supports viewing
and editing ODT files.


Hal Vaughan-2 wrote
> 2) It defeats the purpose of any encryption if a person can open the file,
> then save it in any format
> 3) It allows someone to open the file, make changes, and do what they want
> with it.

Then you really need PDF or maybe epub (apparently it also supports
encryption and DRM). Google is your friend ;)

Pedro



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Non-PDF Portable Document Formats (Exporting from LO)

[Mark Bourne]

Hal Vaughan wrote:

I’m working on an e-reader for special purposes.  While I don’t want to go into 
a discussion of the point of this program and why I’m doing another, a brief 
summary may help.  As a writer, I don’t like sending my work over email or 
other insecure methods of internet transfer.  This e-reader would let me (and 
my writer friends) share our work easily with our friends while keeping it 
encrypted during transfer and even on the reader’s computer.  The file is read 
in and decrypted when displayed for reading.  This would also let me make early 
drafts expire so they can be ditched when they’re obsolete.

I still haven’t decided what language to use for this.  Initially it’ll work on 
OSX, Windows, and Linux.  I’d like to expand it to Android and iOS.  There’s a 
good chance it’d be in C++ or Java, but it would be great if I could do it in 
Python.  (I know of Kivy and other efforts that would make it easy for me to 
transport Python to at least Android.)

The problem is I need some kind of portable document format.  I know that 
implies, immediately, PDF.  However, there seems to be only one library that 
handles PDF display, and that’s Poppler.  I’m not an expert programmer (at 
least not in C++), and when I’ve asked for help from the Poppler people, 
they’ve been abrupt and less than helpful.

I’d like to be able to write in LO, then save or export my file, and have it in 
a format I can easily display on the different operating systems.

I tried saving some files in HTML.  The plain text ones were no problem at all. 
 Margins and formatting was preserved just as I needed it.  But then I tried 
one that was part of a pitch, so it had a page of text, then a page of 
pictures, basically two columns of pictures with captions below each picture.  
I loaded that in a browser and the formatting was okay on the first page, but 
was totally messed up on the 2nd page with the pictures.


I don't know much about e-reader formats, but Calibre 
(http://calibre-ebook.com/) can convert various file types (including 
ODT) into various formats used on e-readers (EPUB, MOBI, AZW3, ...) So 
far I've only used it to convert a few files to view on my Kindle, so 
not sure about support for adding encryption / DRM, but it might be 
worth a look as a starting point to modify or just for ideas.


Mark.


As best I can tell, at this point, there is not a portable library out there 
that I can use from within a program to easily display ODT files, but that 
would be a great solution.

So what format can I use when exporting from LibreOffice, other than PDF, that 
can be easily displayed by any libraries in either Java, C++, or Python?


Thanks!



Hal



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Non-PDF Portable Document Formats (Exporting from LO)

[Hal Vaughan]

On Apr 2, 2014, at 2:21 PM, Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> I'm not clear why not jsut have everyone install Libreoffice alongside
> whatever other programs they have and then encrypt the ODF files (odt
> for text, ods for spreadsheets etc)
> Regards from
> Tom :)

Because:

1) There is not yet any LibreOffice for Android or iOs
2) It defeats the purpose of any encryption if a person can open the file, then 
save it in any format
3) It allows someone to open the file, make changes, and do what they want with 
it.

While this is intended to go out to my friends, there are cases where I (and 
others using it) might need to include someone they don’t know but so well.


Hal


> On 2 April 2014 18:48, Hal Vaughan  wrote:
>> I'm working on an e-reader for special purposes.  While I don't want to go 
>> into a discussion of the point of this program and why I'm doing another, a 
>> brief summary may help.  As a writer, I don't like sending my work over 
>> email or other insecure methods of internet transfer.  This e-reader would 
>> let me (and my writer friends) share our work easily with our friends while 
>> keeping it encrypted during transfer and even on the reader's computer.  The 
>> file is read in and decrypted when displayed for reading.  This would also 
>> let me make early drafts expire so they can be ditched when they're obsolete.
>> 
>> I still haven't decided what language to use for this.  Initially it'll work 
>> on OSX, Windows, and Linux.  I'd like to expand it to Android and iOS.  
>> There's a good chance it'd be in C++ or Java, but it would be great if I 
>> could do it in Python.  (I know of Kivy and other efforts that would make it 
>> easy for me to transport Python to at least Android.)
>> 
>> The problem is I need some kind of portable document format.  I know that 
>> implies, immediately, PDF.  However, there seems to be only one library that 
>> handles PDF display, and that's Poppler.  I'm not an expert programmer (at 
>> least not in C++), and when I've asked for help from the Poppler people, 
>> they've been abrupt and less than helpful.
>> 
>> I'd like to be able to write in LO, then save or export my file, and have it 
>> in a format I can easily display on the different operating systems.
>> 
>> I tried saving some files in HTML.  The plain text ones were no problem at 
>> all.  Margins and formatting was preserved just as I needed it.  But then I 
>> tried one that was part of a pitch, so it had a page of text, then a page of 
>> pictures, basically two columns of pictures with captions below each 
>> picture.  I loaded that in a browser and the formatting was okay on the 
>> first page, but was totally messed up on the 2nd page with the pictures.
>> 
>> As best I can tell, at this point, there is not a portable library out there 
>> that I can use from within a program to easily display ODT files, but that 
>> would be a great solution.
>> 
>> So what format can I use when exporting from LibreOffice, other than PDF, 
>> that can be easily displayed by any libraries in either Java, C++, or Python?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hal
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Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO for iPad, big deal or big yawn

[Steve Edmonds]

On 2014-04-03 05:00, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:

Le 01/04/2014 17:01, Tom Davies a écrit :

Hi :)
A ZdNet article titled (obviously) "Office for iPad, big deal or big
yawn" allows people to vote and so far the "big yawn" side is winning.
  HoooRaaah! ;)  The big yawn side appears to largely be supporting
OpenSource.

http://www.zdnet.com/debate/office-for-ipad-big-deal-or-big-yawn/10137467/


I haven't got any smartphone, so I'm just wondering: what use for office
software on such a small screen as a smartphone one? Is the software
usable at all?

I use Google docs on my Samsung S3. It is fine for some edits, 
corrections and adding data to spread sheets.

steve

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RE: [libreoffice-users] Non-PDF Portable Document Formats (Exporting from LO)

[V Stuart Foote]

Top posting answer to Hal...

See either of two ways to proceed, since LibreOffice already bases it PDF page 
rendering on Poppler and bundles it, you might as well  work against that and 
write a LibreOffice extension.

Alternative might be the java source code from Writer2LaTex project 
(http://writer2latex.sourceforge.net/ ) for the Writer2xhtml that will handle 
ODF document conversion directly to EPUB. Or simply use the extension as is 
with LibreOffice. 

Stuart


> -Original Message-
> From: Hal Vaughan [mailto:li...@halblog.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:49 PM
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Non-PDF Portable Document Formats (Exporting
> from LO)
> 
> I'm working on an e-reader for special purposes.  While I don't want to go
> into a discussion of the point of this program and why I'm doing another, a
> brief summary may help.  As a writer, I don't like sending my work over email
> or other insecure methods of internet transfer.  This e-reader would let me
> (and my writer friends) share our work easily with our friends while keeping
> it encrypted during transfer and even on the reader's computer.  The file is
> read in and decrypted when displayed for reading.  This would also let me
> make early drafts expire so they can be ditched when they're obsolete.
> 
> I still haven't decided what language to use for this.  Initially it'll work 
> on OSX,
> Windows, and Linux.  I'd like to expand it to Android and iOS.  There's a good
> chance it'd be in C++ or Java, but it would be great if I could do it in 
> Python.  (I
> know of Kivy and other efforts that would make it easy for me to transport
> Python to at least Android.)
> 
> The problem is I need some kind of portable document format.  I know that
> implies, immediately, PDF.  However, there seems to be only one library that
> handles PDF display, and that's Poppler.  I'm not an expert programmer (at
> least not in C++), and when I've asked for help from the Poppler people,
> they've been abrupt and less than helpful.
> 
> I'd like to be able to write in LO, then save or export my file, and have it 
> in a
> format I can easily display on the different operating systems.
> 
> I tried saving some files in HTML.  The plain text ones were no problem at 
> all.
> Margins and formatting was preserved just as I needed it.  But then I tried
> one that was part of a pitch, so it had a page of text, then a page of 
> pictures,
> basically two columns of pictures with captions below each picture.  I loaded
> that in a browser and the formatting was okay on the first page, but was
> totally messed up on the 2nd page with the pictures.
> 
> As best I can tell, at this point, there is not a portable library out there 
> that I
> can use from within a program to easily display ODT files, but that would be a
> great solution.
> 
> So what format can I use when exporting from LibreOffice, other than PDF,
> that can be easily displayed by any libraries in either Java, C++, or Python?
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> Hal



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Page margins

[Tinkerer]

Cor

I need to make frequent changes to the Page Format on the three Sheets that
I print from.
I cannot predetermine every change, so a change in the margins is the
simplest way out, or it would be if it remains with that sheet only.

BTW. Re. CT2N.  Using Libre version 3, I was not able to add your suggestion
for the £ prefix as the Macro was in the Libre Macros.  In version 4, the
macro is in "My Macros", so I was able to alter it.
It works great. 
Many thanks.

Tink.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Page margins

[Brian Barker]

At 10:20 02/04/2014 -0700, Dave Liesse wrote:

On 4/2/2014 04:19, Cor Nouws wrote:

Tinkerer wrote (02-04-14 11:54)

In Libre 4.2.2.1 Mac version.
I have a five sheet Calc document and when I set the page margins 
to print one sheet, the margins for the other sheets are also altered.

Should I list this as a bug?


No, it is common behaviour.
You can apply different page styles for different sheets. Pls see 
F11 and the Help for more info :)


This might be something to add to the list of differences between 
MSO and LO.  This one drives me nuts frequently!  As much as we all 
think LO is obviously the superior product, we do need to remember 
that most people will be coming to it from MSO and will want to know 
what to be watching out for.


Are you quite sure that you can easily print different pages of the 
same sheet of a spreadsheet document with different page layouts 
(margins, orientation, etc.) in Microsoft Excel?  If so, please tell 
us exactly how to do this.  If not, you are apparently being weirdly 
"driven nuts" by a non-existent difference.


Perhaps you are confusing this with either printing different sheets 
of the same spreadsheet or printing different pages from the same 
text document in different layouts - both of which you can do very 
easily in LibreOffice.


Unless I've got this completely wrong, do please take care not to 
advertise a prejudice as if it were a genuine fault with the 
application which is the topic of this list.


Brian Barker  



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Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO for iPad, big deal or big yawn

[James Knott]

Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:
> Le 01/04/2014 17:01, Tom Davies a écrit :
>> Hi :)
>> A ZdNet article titled (obviously) "Office for iPad, big deal or big
>> yawn" allows people to vote and so far the "big yawn" side is winning.
>>  HoooRaaah! ;)  The big yawn side appears to largely be supporting
>> OpenSource.
>>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/debate/office-for-ipad-big-deal-or-big-yawn/10137467/
>>
> I haven't got any smartphone, so I'm just wondering: what use for office
> software on such a small screen as a smartphone one? Is the software
> usable at all?
>

It's more for tablets, with their larger screens and even keyboards. 
However, there's no reason why an app wouldn't run on a phone, unless
specifically configured not to.

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[libreoffice-users] Non-PDF Portable Document Formats (Exporting from LO)

[Hal Vaughan]

I’m working on an e-reader for special purposes.  While I don’t want to go into 
a discussion of the point of this program and why I’m doing another, a brief 
summary may help.  As a writer, I don’t like sending my work over email or 
other insecure methods of internet transfer.  This e-reader would let me (and 
my writer friends) share our work easily with our friends while keeping it 
encrypted during transfer and even on the reader’s computer.  The file is read 
in and decrypted when displayed for reading.  This would also let me make early 
drafts expire so they can be ditched when they’re obsolete.

I still haven’t decided what language to use for this.  Initially it’ll work on 
OSX, Windows, and Linux.  I’d like to expand it to Android and iOS.  There’s a 
good chance it’d be in C++ or Java, but it would be great if I could do it in 
Python.  (I know of Kivy and other efforts that would make it easy for me to 
transport Python to at least Android.)

The problem is I need some kind of portable document format.  I know that 
implies, immediately, PDF.  However, there seems to be only one library that 
handles PDF display, and that’s Poppler.  I’m not an expert programmer (at 
least not in C++), and when I’ve asked for help from the Poppler people, 
they’ve been abrupt and less than helpful.

I’d like to be able to write in LO, then save or export my file, and have it in 
a format I can easily display on the different operating systems.

I tried saving some files in HTML.  The plain text ones were no problem at all. 
 Margins and formatting was preserved just as I needed it.  But then I tried 
one that was part of a pitch, so it had a page of text, then a page of 
pictures, basically two columns of pictures with captions below each picture.  
I loaded that in a browser and the formatting was okay on the first page, but 
was totally messed up on the 2nd page with the pictures.

As best I can tell, at this point, there is not a portable library out there 
that I can use from within a program to easily display ODT files, but that 
would be a great solution.

So what format can I use when exporting from LibreOffice, other than PDF, that 
can be easily displayed by any libraries in either Java, C++, or Python?


Thanks!



Hal
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MSO for iPad, big deal or big yawn

[James E Lang]

I'm using a mail client that doesn't differentiate between top level quotes and 
interleaved comments so my comments are in brackets [like this]. 

I mark snips like this:
>8.

Editorial comment: I _hate_ having to edit addressing in order to post a reply 
to a mailing list! :-<

-Original Message-
From: Tom Davies 
To: Italo Vignoli 
Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
Sent: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 9:13
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MSO for iPad, big deal or big yawn

Hi :)
Getting "out there" first does count for a lot but it's not the final answer.

The advantages do lead to the idea of "release early and release
often".  AndrOO might not be great right now but at least it is "out
there" and attracting attention.  As a result it might "snowball" and
become better faster and faster as it attracts an increasing
community.

[I actually do use it for a small (no pun) Calc application on my phone. It 
works satisfactorily. I'd rather be doing it on a 10" tablet but that's not in 
my financial reach at present.]

On the other hand initial reputation counts for a lot too
so the TDF approach is smart but all the smarter because AndrOO is out
there.  Without AndrOO the DTF approach would suffer the usual
problems of perfectionism.

Kingsoft Office is attracting a lot of attention but it's proprietary
and therefore limited.

[So is AndrOO. It uses AOO 4.3(?) for the office functionality but wraps it in 
a proprietary envelope.]

If they could OpenSource it then it might last
but at the moment it looks like it's only good for the short-term
until MS squish it.

[Being that KingSoft is a Chinese firm I'm less concerned about MS's ability to 
squish it than I am with China's government sabotaging it. It also doesn't 
support the .od* file formats.]

Having a ribbon-bar is a huge pull

[On a tiny screen this has a lot of appeal.[

If only we
had an Extension that gave users one!  As an Extension people wouldn't
have to use it and it wouldn't be the default.  Many of us still kinda
hate the ribbon but having it as an option would be smart.

[Hear, hear! Again, on a tiny screen it would be a great addition. KingSoft 
makes the ribbon hidable but easy to recall. This is good.]

>8

As for Cloud versions there is already Google-docs but apparently the
various portable apps versions of LO could also be installed to a
Cloud and used anywhere.

[Personally I'm not a fan of the cloud. I want to possess my own copy of the 
software I use and to retain privacy for my data. But, "every man to his own 
tastes" aka YMMV.]

>8

Regards from
Tom :)

[Thanks Tom.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Page margins

[Dave Liesse]

This might be something to add to the list of differences between MSO 
and LO.  This one drives me nuts frequently!  As much as we all think LO 
is obviously the superior product, we do need to remember that most 
people will be coming to it from MSO and will want to know what to be 
watching out for.


Dave



On 4/2/2014 04:19, Cor Nouws wrote:

Hi Tinkerer,

Tinkerer wrote (02-04-14 11:54)

In Libre 4.2.2.1 Mac version.
I have a five sheet Calc document and when I set the page margins to print
one sheet, the margins for the other sheets are also altered.
Should I list this as a bug?

No, it is common behaviour.
You can apply different page styles for different sheets. Pls see F11
and the Help for more info :)

Cheers,





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MSO for iPad, big deal or big yawn

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Getting "out there" first does count for a lot but it's not the final answer.

The advantages do lead to the idea of "release early and release
often".  AndrOO might not be great right now but at least it is "out
there" and attracting attention.  As a result it might "snowball" and
become better faster and faster as it attracts an increasing
community.  On the other hand initial reputation counts for a lot too
so the TDF approach is smart but all the smarter because AndrOO is out
there.  Without AndrOO the DTF approach would suffer the usual
problems of perfectionism.

Kingsoft Office is attracting a lot of attention but it's proprietary
and therefore limited.  If they could OpenSource it then it might last
but at the moment it looks like it's only good for the short-term
until MS squish it.  Having a ribbon-bar is a huge pull.  If only we
had an Extension that gave users one!  As an Extension people wouldn't
have to use it and it wouldn't be the default.  Many of us still kinda
hate the ribbon but having it as an option would be smart.

I've also heard that the hand-helds version of MSO is just a viewer
(that doesn't always work anyway (MS having trouble implementing their
own 'interoperable' format.  Again)).  So it's classic trialware and
likely to follow desktop MSO into being ransomware.  MS do need to
regain the market-share they have lost to hand-helds and free viewer
trialware is the standard approach.  it usually seems to work for MS.
It didn't work for Oracle when they tried it with OO but they had
other factors to deal with.

As for Cloud versions there is already Google-docs but apparently the
various portable apps versions of LO could also be installed to a
Cloud and used anywhere.

Really i was just hoping that a few people here could cast their vote
on the ZdNet article and support one of the few people in ZdNet that
supports OpenSource despite that constantly leading to him earning
less from his articles than the Windows fanboys earn from theirs.
Regards from
Tom :)

On 2 April 2014 12:08, Italo Vignoli  wrote:
> On 02/04/14 05:20, Pedro wrote:
>
>> Have you tested it? Are your findings different from their claims?
>
> It is clearly stated in the relevant iTunes pages.
>
> Requirements: a qualifying Office 365 subscription is required to edit
> and create Word documents. If you do not have a subscription, you can
> buy Office 365 Home withing Word for Ipad app.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Company Move: Need to Know

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
A couple of key points.


Firstly ...
So far you seem to have been following the Microsoft route to change.
"Slash and burn" or "burning your bridges".  It is better to think of
"migration" rather than "move to".

Step 1 is to install LIbreOffice alongside MS Office

Step 2 is to start gradually using LibreOffice more and more.  Certain
people might be resistant at first.  Certain tasks might still require
MSO for a while.  During this phase companies seem to still buy
machines with MSO on or even install and upgrade MSO on some machines.
 Some retraining of some staff might be required.  Perhaps pick key
people from each department.  Best seems to be
1.  people who are still using MS Office 2003 or who were very
familiar with it and hate the ribbon-bar,
2.  geeks and innovators
3.  people who seem to help colleagues naturally or who people go to
for help with IT issues
This reduces the down-time and usual confusion when moving to new systems.

Step 3 is to start rolling out training more widely.  Around now stop
buying new MSO licenses but still keep old versions of MSO.  This is
the phase to stop getting MSO on newer machines.  Keep working at
setting-up LibreOffice to do those awkward tasks that still need MSO.


It's only with MS products that you need to get rid of the old
systems.  The usual reasons are incompatiblities with formats,
difficulty to support, security issues and so on.  With OpenSource
it's a complete contrast.  You can keep the older systems even though
they are almost never used.  Incompatibilities fade and security and
support issues drop away.  New staff might start off using MSO but
quickly find that LO is better so they gradually learn from colleagues
without "being all at sea" so much in their first few days.

So a lot of OpenSource advocates would recommend never bothering to
remove MS products at all.  Just minimise their usage.


Secondly ...
It helps to get advice from people who have helped many companies
migrate.  My steps are just a rough-outline but they can help develop
more precision tailored to your company from where you have got to so
far.  They might also be able to help with certain specifics and may
have tools developed by other companies, governments or organisations.
 The people on our "Contacts" page can probably help guide you to a
suitable organisation or individual to help with that.

Regards from
Tom :)





On 2 April 2014 05:54, Sqwuiddy  wrote:
> Hello, I just want to preface this with a huge thank you for reading and
> taking any time to reply, sorry for the long post!
>
> My company is looking to move our production team to LibreOffice. We are
> currently using Microsoft Office, and using Word 2010 to build all of our
> mail merge templates. I have spent about 3 weeks trying to research
> workarounds for some of the code we build into our templates to no avail.
> And unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any support online for the issues
> I've encountered. This is problematic, as we have well over 300 templates
> that will need to be broken down and reconfigured if we cannot find
> solutions to these issues. Fortunately, we haven't moved to LibreOffice yet
> and production is still functioning. But if I cannot find solutions to these
> issues I need to inform my supervisors immediately.
>
> Firstly,
>
> Part of our company has moved completely to LibreOffice and removed
> Microsoft Office from their computers. I have tried programming mail merge
> templates on my computer, and then having them open it on theirs, and the
> documents will not merge. The first error we encountered was that the IF
> statements that I built didn't function at all. I simply wanted to make an
> "X" appear when a field contained a certain value. These were if statements
> that would function on my computer. The second error was that... well, none of
> the merge fields merged. When I re-inserted them they worked fine, but they
> wouldn't pull from the database even after re-registering it. My question
> here is, does Word give Libre Writer a leg up if both programs are on one
> computer? Is that why when I moved a document I'd programmed and tested to
> success in Libre Writer to another computer without Microsoft Office it
> wouldn't function? This is essential to know; because I'm helping others
> troubleshoot their issues.
>
> Nested IF Statements:
>
> Is this possible? I have tried a variety of things and I've done a good deal
> of research, and I've hit a wall. We cannot move forward if we do not have
> the capability of creating nested if statements.
>
> IF Statements resulting in a Mail Merge Field:
>
> So far I have only been able to make conditional mail merge fields
> hide/appear using hidden sections. This is not a practical technique for us,
> as our documents are built almost entirely on conditionally revealed values.
> I have researched this as much as I could, it seems I cannot create a
> conditional statement that results in a mail merge field, but I wan

[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: Re: Untranslated strings in Labels and Business Cards dialog

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
A few days ago i asked if anyone here was good at administrative work
and wanted to give more time to LibreOffice.

As it turns out there is already 1 person working on the list of
labels.  Also feedback suggested that some people still record on
tape-cassettes rather than usb or Cd/Dvd and might still like to
print-out labels for them.  I always avoided that and just wrote the
name directly onto the cassette itself and then got rid of the
card/paper insert in the case.  Invariably the cases broke at the
hinge or smash or warped entirely and it was rare to find the right
tape in the right box anyway.  Same for Cds/Dvds.

Anyway, there are still a lot of Avery (and their predecessors and
competitors) labels that are no longer available so keeping them in as
options just makes the list too long and confusing.

Personally i only tried them out a few times (in MSO though) and found
them so unreliable that nowadays if i ever need that sort of thing i
make my own tables and run a couple of test-prints on plain paper and
then another on one sheet of the labels.  So i wouldn't mind if the
whole lot was dumped but i just know that some MS fans would use that
as an excuse so it's better if we do have them imo.

Regards from
Tom :)





On 1 April 2014 18:20, Dennis Roczek  wrote:
> Hi *,
>
> Am 01.04.2014 18:25, schrieb Thomas Hackert:
> [...]
>
>>> It would be a good Easy Hack for a non-programmer, to download
>>> catalogs of label makers, and update label.xml -- remove obsoleted
>>> entries and add current entries that people can actually buy
>>> today.
>>
>>
>> That may be an easy hack, but I think this would also be really time
>> consuming ... :( Would it be possible then to split these by country
>> / language and to provide them with the langpacks? Or would this be
>> impossible?
>
>
> Well actually there is an easy hack bug
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70357 which I'm working on
> (unknowing that this bug existed) since September 2013! This is really a
> time consuming bug as I touched nearly evry page multiple times (by hand and
> with my bot)
>
> So lengthy easy hacks aren't a problem, I think. Better create a bug and if
> needed we can split if requested.
>
>
>> Thanks for your answer and have a nice evening
>> Thomas.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Dennis
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO for iPad, big deal or big yawn

[Cley Faye]

2014-04-02 18:00 GMT+02:00 Jean-Francois Nifenecker <
jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net>:

> I haven't got any smartphone, so I'm just wondering: what use for office
> software on such a small screen as a smartphone one? Is the software
> usable at all?
>

​On a smartphone? Maybe the ability to read a document is interesting, but
that's it.

However, tablets have decent screen estate, and can easily be combined with
mouse/keyboard as needed, while being more convenient than a whole laptop.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO for iPad, big deal or big yawn

[Jean-Francois Nifenecker]

Le 01/04/2014 17:01, Tom Davies a écrit :
> Hi :)
> A ZdNet article titled (obviously) "Office for iPad, big deal or big
> yawn" allows people to vote and so far the "big yawn" side is winning.
>  HoooRaaah! ;)  The big yawn side appears to largely be supporting
> OpenSource.
> 
> http://www.zdnet.com/debate/office-for-ipad-big-deal-or-big-yawn/10137467/
> 

I haven't got any smartphone, so I'm just wondering: what use for office
software on such a small screen as a smartphone one? Is the software
usable at all?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] A couple of questions re footers, Calc/Writer locking up system

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Good to see you here chap.  Welcome in :))

The almost-crash greying out is serious.  It's happened to me in the
distant past but not for ages.  Is the machine really low spec?  If
not then try adjusting the "memory" settings

Tools - Options - Memory

Just bump everything right up.  Not even as a percentage.  On my
fairly low-spec system here i currently have;
Use for LO ~ 50Mb
per object ~ 20Mb
number of objects ~ 20
but on higher spec machines i'd probably bump "Use for LO" up to
100-400Mb.  I'm not sure though because even my fairly low settings do
all i need almost all the time.  it's only Ram and if you are not
using Windows then you probably have plenty to spare on LO.

The more usual cause of crashing is Java.  Can you switch it off?  The
only places Java still gets used is some Extensions, maybe still some
wizards and if you have a database using the internal backend.   Errr,
also accessibility tools still default to using Java but we are moving
away from that in the next few releases [quietly thanks Apache and IBM
and our devs who have been working at this].

Generally we recommend using an external back-end if you are using
Base and the rest of it is all very rare.  For accessibility you could
switch to "experimental features" to test-drive the non-java way for
screen-readers etc.

Tools - Options - Advanced

and untick the "use Java" tick-box at the very top.  If it turns out
that it does need java then it grumbles and allows you to re-tick and
re-try whatever you were doing.  So i ran it that way for a few weeks
before removing Java completely.

Regards from
Tom :)









On 2 April 2014 04:20, Joe Aquilina  wrote:
> Hello, I am new to this list and have a couple of questions.
>
> I am using LibreOffice 4.1.3.2 on Kubuntu Linux v13.10 if version/OS is
> relevant.
>
> The first is about footers in Writer and I guess it is more a curiosity than
> a problem. Whenever I insert a footer into a Writer document in a multipage
> document, no matter where I am in the document, Writer takes me to the
> bottom of page 3 of the document to insert the footer.  Of course then I
> have to scroll back to where I was working before creating the footer. This
> is really just an annoyance but does anyone know why Writer does this and if
> it is possible to stop this behaviour? It would seem to me to be more
> logical to insert the footer while remaining on whichever page I am working
> at that time.
>
> The other question is a little more serious. Sometimes in Writer but more
> often in Calc, LibreOffice just locks up. Not just LibreOffice, but the
> whole system. For example, yesterday while using Calc and trying to
> drag-copy a cell down a column for a number of rows to replicate a formula,
> as soon as the drag was started, the computer just locked up. The mouse
> cursor would move but nothing would respond to a mouseclick. It wa snot
> possible to stop LibreOffice or start/stop any other programs, 
> wouldn't work. The computer also didn't respond to a .
>
> While it was eventually possible to start up a terminal in Linux and kill
> the LibreOffice process and reopen the document, some work was lost as a
> result. It doesn't happen often but often enough to be a nuisance.
>
> Is this behaviour a known bug? Does anyone else see this problem and does
> anyone have any suggestions as to what might be causing it?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Joe Aquilina
>
>
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[libreoffice-users] Re: MSO for iPad, big deal or big yawn

[Pedro]

Hi Italo


italovignoli wrote
> It is clearly stated in the relevant iTunes pages.
> 
> Requirements: a qualifying Office 365 subscription is required to edit
> and create Word documents. If you do not have a subscription, you can
> buy Office 365 Home withing Word for Ipad app.

We seem to be talking about different products: Microsoft Office Mobile for
the iPhone and Android phones is free for personal use
http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/index.php?/topic/37434-microsoft-office-for-iphone-and-android-now-completely-free/
https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/office-mobile-for-office-365/id541164041
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft.office.officehub

MSO Mobile for iPad is a free Viewer or paid if you want to edit or create
(as you mentioned)
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2113464/with-office-for-ipad-microsoft-makes-all-mobile-platforms-free-but-creation-will-cost-you.html
and probably it will be too for Android tablets (still hasn't been
announced)

Cheers,
Pedro



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Page margins

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Tinkerer,

Tinkerer wrote (02-04-14 11:54)
> In Libre 4.2.2.1 Mac version.
> I have a five sheet Calc document and when I set the page margins to print
> one sheet, the margins for the other sheets are also altered.
> Should I list this as a bug?

No, it is common behaviour.
You can apply different page styles for different sheets. Pls see F11
and the Help for more info :)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MSO for iPad, big deal or big yawn

[Italo Vignoli]

On 02/04/14 05:20, Pedro wrote:

> Have you tested it? Are your findings different from their claims?

It is clearly stated in the relevant iTunes pages.

Requirements: a qualifying Office 365 subscription is required to edit
and create Word documents. If you do not have a subscription, you can
buy Office 365 Home withing Word for Ipad app.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MSO for iPad, big deal or big yawn

[Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

The linked "notice" for MSO on Android seems to indicate it is not for 
Tablets, but only for Phones.


That is a big difference.

So we still do not have to worry.  Also, I wonder if that is actually 
more of a Cloud Version instead of one that resides on a phone.  For me, 
I do not link the idea of Cloud apps for "Writer" types of packages.  I 
like offline ones better since I tend to need such things on a 
tablet/laptop without any access to a WiFi signal.


I do not have an Android Phone powerful enough for an office suite or 
with a large enough screen.  My Android table is a Nook HD with 16GB 
internal and 32GB on a microSD card.  So I am waiting for LO's Android 
version for that Android based Nook.


Seriously, if MSO is offering Office 365 for free, I bet it is a limited 
time offer where you will get hooked on using it then will be required 
to pay "through the nose" after a few months of use. MS does not have 
the policy to give away its Office packages for free.  So this seems 
more like a trial and not a real free deal for long term use.




On 04/01/2014 02:21 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Hmm, even if MSO have got there first and LibreOffice follows i think
that's not hugely different from the desktop.

I'm not convinced that MSO is available for Android.  I've seen
announcements that it is available for iPads but iPads are different
from Androids.
Regards from
Tom :)



On 1 April 2014 17:59, Pedro  wrote:

Hi Stuart


V Stuart Foote wrote

It's a shame none of the Open Source office's has the manpower to build
an
Android version. Now it's too late ;)

Seriously, Pedro?  Actually, TDF and the LibreOffice Devs, notably Tor
Lillqvist, have been hard after an Android build.

Not sure of its fitness for use, but  daily builds of Master for Android
are here:
TinderBox 24 -- Android-ARM


Seriously. I'm well aware of that. That is why I mentioned "manpower". I
didn't say no one.
The Android build simply doesn't do anything (at least the last time I tried
about a month ago...)
Unless there were some fantastic progresses I doubt that it's up to par with
Kingsoft (haven't tried MSO yet)

Pedro



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[libreoffice-users] Page margins

[Tinkerer]

In Libre 4.2.2.1 Mac version.
I have a five sheet Calc document and when I set the page margins to print
one sheet, the margins for the other sheets are also altered.
Should I list this as a bug?

Tink.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: MSO for iPad, big deal or big yawn

[Pedro]

Hi Italo


italovignoli wrote
>> Returning to MSO Mobile, it's only available for iPad and Android
>> smartphones, but not for Android tablets... Maybe they will try to sell
>> that? Or maybe they don't want Android to compete with Windows 8 Tablets
>> since there are already more Android devices in the world than Windows
>> PCs...
> 
> MSO Mobile is only a viewer, as to create a document you need an Office
> 365 license (which costs 99 euro/dollars per year).

That is not correct. 

I haven't verified this personally yet (need to free up some space on my
Android smartphone). But MS claims in the download page that it allows you
to create (Word and Excel) and edit documents (Word, Excel and Powerpoint).

MS also says that it is free for personal use. The only requirement is to
create a free Microsoft account (like Google Docs requires to create a
Google account). 

Have you tested it? Are your findings different from their claims?

Regards,
Pedro



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