Re: f20 - upgrading to

[Dan Mossor]

On 12/21/2013 12:47 AM, Martin S wrote:

On Friday, December 20, 2013 04:44:46 PM Rahul Sundaram wrote:

Hi

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Martin S  wrote:

I've been looking for f19-20 upgrade instructions, but I must be blind.
Someone can point me to the correct page on the net?


https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading


Thanks, seems obvious.
It didn't show when searching for it.
I obvioiusly fail at searching as well as all the other things I fail at =)

/Martin S

No, the wiki is seriously disjointed. Half the time when it finds what 
it thinks I'm looking for, it is for a release that was EOL'd years ago.


That's one of the "huge" projects that a few of us in QA are discussing, 
but we're not sure we want to tackle it ourselves.


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Re: f20 - upgrading to

[Martin S]

On Friday, December 20, 2013 04:44:46 PM Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Hi
> 
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Martin S  wrote:
> > I've been looking for f19-20 upgrade instructions, but I must be blind.
> > Someone can point me to the correct page on the net?
> 
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading

Thanks, seems obvious.
It didn't show when searching for it. 
I obvioiusly fail at searching as well as all the other things I fail at =)

/Martin S
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Re: f20 - can't move windows

[Germán A. Racca]

On 12/20/2013 05:09 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:


On 12/20/2013 01:31 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

On f17 I can move a window or dialog box by holding down  and
 and moving the window where I want.  This is very
valuable on reduced screen devices where fixed dialogs don't fix all
on the screen.

I cannot get this to work on f20.

I recall some mention somewhere in the installation instructions that
a minimum of 800x640 was required for install, but that reduce screen
sizes were supported after install.

How do I enable this feature?


It works, kind of for gnome-tweak-tool but only if I do it near the top,
just below the title bar.  Wierd.


There is an option in gnome-tweak-tool: Windows -> Window Action Key and 
then select Alt. Good luck!


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Re: f20 - suspend and hibernate buttons

[Germán A. Racca]

On 12/20/2013 05:07 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:


On 12/20/2013 02:47 PM, Greg Woods wrote:

On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 13:46 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

How do I get these available somewhere?  I would assume on that top bar
pulldown that has poweroff and screen lock?

What desktop environment are you using? If it's Gnome 3, in the
gnome-tweak-tool you can select Shell Extensions, then turn on
"Alternate Status Menu".


yes Gnome 3.

I don't see Shell Extensions.  Only Extensions.  There is an 'Install
Shell Extension' option there, but if I click it, it looks for file to
install.

Do I go to 'Get More Extensions'?


What do you think? :)

That link will open this site: https://extensions.gnome.org/

"Alternative Status Menu" extension doesn't work with Fedora 20 (yet).

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Re: f20 - upgrading to

[Timothy Murphy]

Martin S wrote:

> I've been looking for f19-20 upgrade instructions, but I must be blind.
> Someone can point me to the correct page on the net?

I followed the instructions for upgrading with Fedup at

Other methods are discussed in


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Re: f20 - gedit

[Edward M]

On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:21:23 -0800
Edward M  wrote:

> logged in as root using su -; 

CORRECTION: Sorry i typed it like this it my be confusing. 
I meant to say I logged in as root by typing  su - 
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Re: f20 - gedit

[Edward M]

On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 08:05:49 -0500
Robert Moskowitz  wrote:

> 
> On 12/19/2013 09:02 PM, Edward M wrote:
> > On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:07:01 +0200
> > Ahmad Samir  wrote:
> >
> >> On 18 December 2013 20:42, bitlord  wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 12:49 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>  Well here comes the questions on 'where is it now'.  Of course
>  since I skipped f18 & f19, these may be 'old' issues
> 
>  So with gedit, where 'preferences'?  I need to turn off line wrap
>  so I can use it to edit various config files.  Meanwhile, back to
>  vi.
> 
> 
> >>> It uses appmenu in gnome-shell
> >>> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/AppMenu
> >>> (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution
> >>> on NONgnome-shell desktops
> >>>
> >> AppMenu is only used when running under GNOME, when using any
> >> other DE it's not used.
> >>
> >> FWIW, you can get the old behaviour back under GNOME by editing the
> >> 'org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides' key:
> >>
> >> gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides
> >> "{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"
> >>
> >>
> >> In some apps like gedit this should make the AppMenu contain only
> >> on entry "Quit", and Preferences and About are moved back to their
> >> place in the main gedit window.
> >
> > Confirm
> > used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those entries
> > appear within gedit.
> 
> What did you change?  I just went through all of dconf-editor listed 
> items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on 
> settings/preferences in gedit 


Sorry for the late reply. I'm sure you probably already have  it
figured, this is  what i did. 
I logged into my Fedora desktop as regular
user; opened a Terminal; logged in as root using su -; typed
dconf-editor- on dconf-editor's left pane, I just followed
org -> gnome-> settings-daemon->  plugins  -> xsettings  submenu, then
on dconf-editor's right window - I added {'Gtk/ShellsShowsAppMenu': <0>}
next to overrides entry and that restored preferences within gedit,etc. 

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encrypted automounting

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello,

I forgot to unchek "keep memory of the password" when I mounted an encrypted
partition. How can I reset it ?
Now, every time that the USB key is plugged, then this partition is
also mounted!

Thank for your help.

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Re: Need help with LVM -

[Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA]

On 12/20/2013 04:32 PM, David Beveridge wrote:

If I understand you correctly you will need to do something along these lines...
You need to know the names of your volume groups and logical volumes.

use pvscan, vgscan & lvscan to display what you have. eg
root@MythTV:/etc# pvscan
   PV /dev/sdc2   VG vg_tv   lvm2 [1.82 TiB / 59.31 GiB free]
   Total: 1 [1.82 TiB] / in use: 1 [1.82 TiB] / in no VG: 0 [0   ]
root@MythTV:/etc# vgscan
   Reading all physical volumes.  This may take a while...
   Found volume group "vg_tv" using metadata type lvm2
root@MythTV:/etc# lvscan
   ACTIVE'/dev/vg_tv/lv_photo' [292.97 GiB] inherit
   ACTIVE'/dev/vg_tv/lv_music' [195.31 GiB] inherit
   ACTIVE'/dev/vg_tv/lv_video' [1.19 TiB] inherit
   ACTIVE'/dev/vg_tv/lv_backup' [97.66 GiB] inherit


ensure that /dev/sdb5 is partition type LVM

# fdisk /dev/sdb
use p command to display partitions
use t command to change type to 8e

Add the partition to you volume group

# pvcreate /dev/sdb5

Add the new partition to your volume group

# vgextend vg_name /dev/sdb5

Extend the root logical volume

# lvextend -l +100%FREE /dev/vg_name/lv_root /dev/sdb5

Resize the volume to match

# resize2fs /dev/vg_name/lv_root


Thanks for the suggestions, I think I may have enough there to fix 
things, that or destroy the system! :-)


I will give it a go in the morning.

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Re: f20 - upgrading to

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Martin S  wrote:

> I've been looking for f19-20 upgrade instructions, but I must be blind.
> Someone can point me to the correct page on the net?
>

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading

Rahul
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f20 - upgrading to

[Martin S]

I've been looking for f19-20 upgrade instructions, but I must be blind.
Someone can point me to the correct page on the net?

/Martin S
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Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

[Rick Stevens]

On 12/20/2013 01:27 PM, Dennis Kaptain issued this missive:

2013/12/20 Patrick O'Callaghan mailto:pocallag...@gmail.com>>


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Tim mailto:ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au>> wrote:

It gets worse if you use multiple computers.  It's a nightmare
trying to
do something that's accessible on all, and secure.  Whether that be
letting applications remember passwords, and I'm severely pissed
with
browsers that can't remember passwords because some *utterly*
*unimportant* site thinks they should block your browser from
doing so
(though I don't object to a bank site doing that), or having a
special
password safe application.  I can remember but a few passwords
off the
top of my head.



Online password managers such as Lastpass or Dasher are a way round
this, and also can generate complex random passwords for you that
you don't have to remember. Of course you then have to trust them to
work properly, but as their entire business depends on them getting
it right and the data they store is encrypted and decrypted locally
using a single key known only to you, it seems to be a reasonable
compromise. Unfortunately they tend to be closed-source.

poc

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I use keepassx. It's a good application for this.
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/keepassx


Seconded. I use keepassx as well. My database is on a VFAT partition on
a 1G USB Flash drive I carry with me with a second copy on my Droid
phone...just in case I need it.
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Re: Need hlep with LVM -

[David Beveridge]

If I understand you correctly you will need to do something along these lines...
You need to know the names of your volume groups and logical volumes.

use pvscan, vgscan & lvscan to display what you have. eg
root@MythTV:/etc# pvscan
  PV /dev/sdc2   VG vg_tv   lvm2 [1.82 TiB / 59.31 GiB free]
  Total: 1 [1.82 TiB] / in use: 1 [1.82 TiB] / in no VG: 0 [0   ]
root@MythTV:/etc# vgscan
  Reading all physical volumes.  This may take a while...
  Found volume group "vg_tv" using metadata type lvm2
root@MythTV:/etc# lvscan
  ACTIVE'/dev/vg_tv/lv_photo' [292.97 GiB] inherit
  ACTIVE'/dev/vg_tv/lv_music' [195.31 GiB] inherit
  ACTIVE'/dev/vg_tv/lv_video' [1.19 TiB] inherit
  ACTIVE'/dev/vg_tv/lv_backup' [97.66 GiB] inherit


ensure that /dev/sdb5 is partition type LVM

# fdisk /dev/sdb
use p command to display partitions
use t command to change type to 8e

Add the partition to you volume group

# pvcreate /dev/sdb5

Add the new partition to your volume group

# vgextend vg_name /dev/sdb5

Extend the root logical volume

# lvextend -l +100%FREE /dev/vg_name/lv_root /dev/sdb5

Resize the volume to match

# resize2fs /dev/vg_name/lv_root
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Re: F20 in VirtualBox VM

[Rick Stevens]

On 12/20/2013 10:48 AM, Joe Zeff issued this missive:

On 12/20/2013 09:43 AM, Steven Stern wrote:

It worked for me when I selected "Red Hat (64 bit)" as the OS type.


Don't ask why, but when I first saw that I read it as "Red Bull (64
bit)" and wondered how an energy drink got into the list.


(tongue planted firmly in cheek...)

Crikey! Can't they just leave it at extreme sports and Formula One 
racing? Now they have to stick their fingers into OSes? Who do they

think they areGoogle?!
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Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

[Dennis Kaptain]

2013/12/20 Patrick O'Callaghan 

>
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Tim  wrote:
>
>> It gets worse if you use multiple computers.  It's a nightmare trying to
>> do something that's accessible on all, and secure.  Whether that be
>> letting applications remember passwords, and I'm severely pissed with
>> browsers that can't remember passwords because some *utterly*
>> *unimportant* site thinks they should block your browser from doing so
>> (though I don't object to a bank site doing that), or having a special
>> password safe application.  I can remember but a few passwords off the
>> top of my head.
>>
>
>
> Online password managers such as Lastpass or Dasher are a way round this,
> and also can generate complex random passwords for you that you don't have
> to remember. Of course you then have to trust them to work properly, but as
> their entire business depends on them getting it right and the data they
> store is encrypted and decrypted locally using a single key known only to
> you, it seems to be a reasonable compromise. Unfortunately they tend to be
> closed-source.
>
> poc
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I use keepassx. It's a good application for this.
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/keepassx
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Re: f20 - Anyone else having problems installing x64

[Rick Stevens]

On 12/20/2013 11:26 AM, Tim issued this missive:

Allegedly, on or about 20 December 2013, Gregory P. Ennis sent:

The first DVD was created on a different laptop, and it failed on the
Gateway, but worked on the laptop it had been created on.  The Gateway
machine still had Centos on it so I created another DVD using it, and
had no problems booting and installing F20.

I have never had a mismatch of DVD drives before, so this was
unexpected, at least by me.


Cheap blank discs?  (Not always very compatible with drives.)
Burnt the disc at maximum speed?  (Not always the best option.)


Also check the color of the disk media. Sometimes the color of the
media screws up the wavelength of the reflected laser so it doesn't
register correctly. We've had problems with that using cheap DVD-Rs
(we stick with TDK or HP now). It was a huge problem back in the early
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Re: f20 - suspend and hibernate buttons

[Greg Woods]

On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 15:07 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

> > gnome-tweak-tool you can select Shell Extensions, then turn on
> > "Alternate Status Menu".
> 

> 
> I don't see Shell Extensions.  Only Extensions.  There is an 'Install 
> Shell Extension' option there, but if I click it, it looks for file to 
> install.
> 
> Do I go to 'Get More Extensions'?

You can install the ones that come with Fedora first; that includes the
alternate status menu extension. Something like

# yum install gnome-shell-extension*

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Re: f20 - can't move windows

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 12/20/2013 01:31 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On f17 I can move a window or dialog box by holding down  and 
 and moving the window where I want.  This is very 
valuable on reduced screen devices where fixed dialogs don't fix all 
on the screen.


I cannot get this to work on f20.

I recall some mention somewhere in the installation instructions that 
a minimum of 800x640 was required for install, but that reduce screen 
sizes were supported after install.


How do I enable this feature?


It works, kind of for gnome-tweak-tool but only if I do it near the top, 
just below the title bar.  Wierd.



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Re: f20 - suspend and hibernate buttons

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 12/20/2013 02:47 PM, Greg Woods wrote:

On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 13:46 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

How do I get these available somewhere?  I would assume on that top bar
pulldown that has poweroff and screen lock?

What desktop environment are you using? If it's Gnome 3, in the
gnome-tweak-tool you can select Shell Extensions, then turn on
"Alternate Status Menu".


yes Gnome 3.

I don't see Shell Extensions.  Only Extensions.  There is an 'Install 
Shell Extension' option there, but if I click it, it looks for file to 
install.


Do I go to 'Get More Extensions'?


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Re: f20 - suspend and hibernate buttons

[Greg Woods]

On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 13:46 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> How do I get these available somewhere?  I would assume on that top bar 
> pulldown that has poweroff and screen lock?

What desktop environment are you using? If it's Gnome 3, in the
gnome-tweak-tool you can select Shell Extensions, then turn on
"Alternate Status Menu".

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Re: f20 - Anyone else having problems installing x64

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 20 December 2013, Gregory P. Ennis sent:
> The first DVD was created on a different laptop, and it failed on the
> Gateway, but worked on the laptop it had been created on.  The Gateway
> machine still had Centos on it so I created another DVD using it, and
> had no problems booting and installing F20.  
> 
> I have never had a mismatch of DVD drives before, so this was
> unexpected, at least by me.  

Cheap blank discs?  (Not always very compatible with drives.)
Burnt the disc at maximum speed?  (Not always the best option.)

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Fedora 20 installation on Lenovo N500 fails

[Kevin Wilson]

Hello all,
I tried to install Fedora 20 on Lenovo N500 laptop (x86_64) from a DVD.

I verified the DVD media and also I had installed a desktop today with this
DVD.
When I try to install it on Lenovo N500 laptop (x86_64) it fails - it reboots.
I tried several times.

I also tried in text mode ("linux text") and again it fails.

Any ideas ?
Regards,
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Need hlep with LVM -

[Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA]

I have a new Fedora-20 installation on a "650 GiB" drive by itself. It 
is installed in less than 60 GiB's which leaves the rest of the drive 
unused, not what I wanted. I guess it preserved a /home partition for 
me? I certainly didn't want it to take up the remainder of the drive. 
I've been looking at man pages and googling and fixing this may be 
simple but I am having a lot of trouble understanding what  needs to be 
done. Is there a clear step by step set of instructions for fixing this?


Presently I have, from gparted:

/dev/sdb1, 2, and 3 are the the system I am using now, assigned by the 
install application:


/dev/sdb1bios_grub1.00 MiB

/dev/sdb2Mounted on /bootext4500.00 MiB

/dev/sdb3lvm2 pvSize: 57.58 GiBused: 57.58 GiB(100%)


The unused part of the drive which should be made part of /dev/sdb3:

Path:   /dev/sdb5
File system:ext4
Size:   538.10 GiB
Used:   30.93 GiB
Unused: 507.17 GiB

The used part is /home from an earlier F-20 installation and can be deleted.

Any help appreciated,

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Re: f20 - Anyone else having problems installing x64

[Gregory P. Ennis]

Subject: f20 - Anyone else having problems installing x64
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 21:54:01 -0600

I have a Gateway  NV53A laptop that has Centos 6.5 installed and
performing without a problem.  I tried to install the x64 f20 on this
machine, but have not been able to get the discs to install.  

I checksumed the disc and it passed

I tested the disc with the boot process, and could not figure out if it
passed or not, it took a long time and then apparently tried to
automatically install, and then died.

I rebooted several times some of which were in 'basic mode' but there
was no success.

Any one else having trouble installing f20

Greg Ennis
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I think I found the problem.  Although the checksum of the DVD was
'PASS' not only by sha256sum, but also by the installation program I
think the problem was a mismatch of DVD drives.  The first DVD was
created on a different laptop, and it failed on the Gateway, but worked
on the laptop it had been created on.  The Gateway machine still had
Centos on it so I created another DVD using it, and had no problems
booting and installing F20.  

I have never had a mismatch of DVD drives before, so this was
unexpected, at least by me.  

Greg Ennis


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Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Tim  wrote:

> It gets worse if you use multiple computers.  It's a nightmare trying to
> do something that's accessible on all, and secure.  Whether that be
> letting applications remember passwords, and I'm severely pissed with
> browsers that can't remember passwords because some *utterly*
> *unimportant* site thinks they should block your browser from doing so
> (though I don't object to a bank site doing that), or having a special
> password safe application.  I can remember but a few passwords off the
> top of my head.
>


Online password managers such as Lastpass or Dasher are a way round this,
and also can generate complex random passwords for you that you don't have
to remember. Of course you then have to trust them to work properly, but as
their entire business depends on them getting it right and the data they
store is encrypted and decrypted locally using a single key known only to
you, it seems to be a reasonable compromise. Unfortunately they tend to be
closed-source.

poc
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Re: F20 in VirtualBox VM

[Joe Zeff]

On 12/20/2013 09:43 AM, Steven Stern wrote:

It worked for me when I selected "Red Hat (64 bit)" as the OS type.


Don't ask why, but when I first saw that I read it as "Red Bull (64 
bit)" and wondered how an energy drink got into the list.

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f20 - suspend and hibernate buttons

[Robert Moskowitz]

How do I get these available somewhere?  I would assume on that top bar 
pulldown that has poweroff and screen lock?



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securing remote/distributed boxes

[bruce]

Hi.

Continuing a thread I've been posting on...

I've got a project where there will be a number of client boxes across
the net. The boxes will run a base fedora/centos, and be used as
"compute" nodes if you will.

The boxes will need to connect back to the master server(s) to
exchange information.

The masterservice sends information out using a queing process
(gearman/etc) and the child/client box gets the data, processes it,
returns the data.

So, from the child/clientside, the client box needs to be able to have
remote access to the master queue, via the tunnelling/port process.
This (at least to me) means I've got to have ssh running/ports open,
along with the ability to have pub/private keys so i can
programatically access/shove data across the ssh tunnels.

The boxes need to be locked down/secure as possible.

Other than ssh/internet access, and a few local apps/processes, most
of the other services can be shut down in order to make the box as
secure as possible.

The boxes will not have "users" accessing the box.

Think of the box, as a node on a BOINC/SETI kind of system, where a
bunch of edgenode boxes are used to do computational processing.



Thoughts/comments are welcome.

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f20 - can't move windows

[Robert Moskowitz]

On f17 I can move a window or dialog box by holding down  and mouse> and moving the window where I want.  This is very valuable on 
reduced screen devices where fixed dialogs don't fix all on the screen.


I cannot get this to work on f20.

I recall some mention somewhere in the installation instructions that a 
minimum of 800x640 was required for install, but that reduce screen 
sizes were supported after install.


How do I enable this feature?


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Re: trying to mount usb/hard drive

[Rick Stevens]

On 12/20/2013 08:56 AM, Mark Haney issued this missive:

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On 12/20/2013 11:39 AM, bruce wrote:

Hi,

The drive from the 1st system is a 640G drive

The partition data from the system monitor app gives the
following:

/dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_root/
/dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_apps/apps
/dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_backup/backup /dev/sda1
/boot /dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_home/home



Make sure you have the lvm utils installed and mount by lv name.
Here's some decent instructions I googled:

http://linuxers.org/howto/how-mount-linux-lvm-volume-partitions-linux

May or may not be precisely correct being a couple of years old, but I
believe the process is similar regardless.


True. In a nutshell:

# vgchange -ay  (Makes the VG known to the kernel)
# ls /dev/mapper(To find the VG-LV name of the LVM)
# mount /dev/mapper/ /mountpoint
(Mount the LVM at /mountpoint)

Example:

# vgchange -ay
# ls /dev/mapper
/dev/mapper:
control  VolGroup00-LogVol00  VolGroup00-LogVol01
# mount /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol01 /mountpoint

WARNING:
If system2 uses LVMs that were created using Anaconda's defaults (the
above is an example of such a beast) AND the USB drive was done in a
similar manner, you may have duplicate VG and LV names and that won't
work. You will need to (at least) change the VG name on the USB drive
(see "man vgrename" for help there).

For this reason, I generally name the VGs after the hostname of the
machine they were created on. For example, my laptop, "golem4", has:

[root@golem4 ~]# ls /dev/mapper
control  vg_golem4-lv_home  vg_golem4-lv_root  vg_golem4-lv_swap

so I can move its drive to another machine if necessary and not have a
VG name conflict.
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Re: F20 in VirtualBox VM

[Klaus-Peter Schrage]

Am 20.12.2013 18:43, schrieb Steven Stern:

On 12/20/2013 11:28 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote:

Am 20.12.2013 00:50, schrieb Greg Woods:

I am running VirtualBox under F19, and I wanted to try F20 in a VM, but
I can't get it to install. With both the Live ISO and the full DVD iso,
if I point the virtual DVD drive at the ISO, it boots into the main
syslinux/Anaconda menu, but as soon as I select "Install Fedora",  the
screen goes black and nothing ever happens. Has anyone installed F20
into a VirtualBox VM?

Thanks,
--Greg

I had success with VirtualBox and F20 on two machines, after initially
having this very black screen on several trials. So please don't mind
my  question: When creating the new VM in VBox Manager, did you choose
the correct version of Fedora? I clicked on "Fedora" and I missed that
there was an entry "Fedora (64bit)" ...


It worked for me when I selected "Red Hat (64 bit)" as the OS type.


Yes, but the distinction 32bit - 64bit seems to be  crucial.
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Re: where is skype tray icone on F20?

[Temlakos]

On 12/20/2013 12:50 PM, Steven Stern wrote:

On 12/20/2013 11:48 AM, Temlakos wrote:

On 12/20/2013 10:44 AM, Adel ESSAFI wrote:

hello list
The new F20 graphical interface is very good, however, I can't find
skype skype icon in the tray.
Do you have the same problem? Any solution?
regards
Adel




The version of Skype I had been running, crashed every time on F20.

I downloaded another version from skype.com.

That version seems to connect, but it cannot work with my sound device.
Though everything else does work with sound.

BTW, I don't expect Fedora to work with Skype. The Skype people haven't
come out with a new version of their client since F16.

Temlakos



I haven't test this, but it looks like this may be what you want:

https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/696/skype-integration/



I use KDE. How do I integrate Skype into that environment?

Temlakos
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Re: where is skype tray icone on F20?

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Temlakos  wrote:

> That version seems to connect, but it cannot work with my sound device.
> Though everything else does work with sound.
>

This is a bug in Skype Refer to
http://arunraghavan.net/2013/08/pulseaudio-4-0-and-skype/ for a workaround

Rahul
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Re: where is skype tray icone on F20?

[Steven Stern]

On 12/20/2013 11:48 AM, Temlakos wrote:
> On 12/20/2013 10:44 AM, Adel ESSAFI wrote:
>> hello list
>> The new F20 graphical interface is very good, however, I can't find
>> skype skype icon in the tray. 
>> Do you have the same problem? Any solution?
>> regards
>> Adel
>>
>>
>>
> 
> The version of Skype I had been running, crashed every time on F20.
> 
> I downloaded another version from skype.com.
> 
> That version seems to connect, but it cannot work with my sound device.
> Though everything else does work with sound.
> 
> BTW, I don't expect Fedora to work with Skype. The Skype people haven't
> come out with a new version of their client since F16.
> 
> Temlakos
> 
> 
I haven't test this, but it looks like this may be what you want:

https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/696/skype-integration/

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Re: where is skype tray icone on F20?

[Temlakos]

On 12/20/2013 10:44 AM, Adel ESSAFI wrote:

hello list
The new F20 graphical interface is very good, however, I can't find 
skype skype icon in the tray.

Do you have the same problem? Any solution?
regards
Adel





The version of Skype I had been running, crashed every time on F20.

I downloaded another version from skype.com.

That version seems to connect, but it cannot work with my sound device. 
Though everything else does work with sound.


BTW, I don't expect Fedora to work with Skype. The Skype people haven't 
come out with a new version of their client since F16.


Temlakos
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Re: F20 in VirtualBox VM

[Steven Stern]

On 12/20/2013 11:28 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote:
> Am 20.12.2013 00:50, schrieb Greg Woods:
>> I am running VirtualBox under F19, and I wanted to try F20 in a VM, but
>> I can't get it to install. With both the Live ISO and the full DVD iso,
>> if I point the virtual DVD drive at the ISO, it boots into the main
>> syslinux/Anaconda menu, but as soon as I select "Install Fedora",  the
>> screen goes black and nothing ever happens. Has anyone installed F20
>> into a VirtualBox VM?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --Greg
> I had success with VirtualBox and F20 on two machines, after initially
> having this very black screen on several trials. So please don't mind
> my  question: When creating the new VM in VBox Manager, did you choose
> the correct version of Fedora? I clicked on "Fedora" and I missed that
> there was an entry "Fedora (64bit)" ...
> 
It worked for me when I selected "Red Hat (64 bit)" as the OS type.

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f20 install :: partitioning crazy bugs!!!

[Adrian Sevcenco]

Hi! I am trying to install an f20 (because fedup-ing from f17 is not
working because of plymonth!!! (another moronic idea!! : both plymoth
and basing the ditro upgrading process on plymoth!!!))

the problems are:
1. it request me to have a stage1 bootloader partition!! i dont have
uefi enabled and i dont want one (both uefi and bootloader)

2. it requires for me to have a swap!!! I DO NOT WANT SWAP! (well i can
have it on an usb stick and remove later but this requirement is moronic
(because i have no choice!))

so .. anyone have any idea how can i solve the first problem?

Thanks!
Adrian



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Just got my Crucial M500

[Robert Moskowitz]

but, it was advertised as 256GB, and on the packaging it says 240GB.

Then I put it on a SATA USB adapter and look at it with the Disks 
utility. It reports 240GB.


Looks like 'they' stole 16GB for SSD magic.

So it will be a 80GB reduction in storage.  I can live with this. For 
now.  I try to do an install next week.




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Re: trying to mount usb/hard drive

[bruce]

http://serverfault.com/questions/451781/mounting-an-old-lvm-hard-drive-in-fedora-17-gives-error-message

as a few people mentioned

the vgchange to activate the vol is required.

thanks


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Mark Haney  wrote:
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> On 12/20/2013 11:39 AM, bruce wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> The drive from the 1st system is a 640G drive
>>
>> The partition data from the system monitor app gives the
>> following:
>>
>> /dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_root/
>> /dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_apps/apps
>> /dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_backup/backup /dev/sda1
>> /boot /dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_home/home
>>
>
> Make sure you have the lvm utils installed and mount by lv name.
> Here's some decent instructions I googled:
>
> http://linuxers.org/howto/how-mount-linux-lvm-volume-partitions-linux
>
> May or may not be precisely correct being a couple of years old, but I
> believe the process is similar regardless.
>
>
>
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Re: F20 in VirtualBox VM

[Klaus-Peter Schrage]

Am 20.12.2013 00:50, schrieb Greg Woods:

I am running VirtualBox under F19, and I wanted to try F20 in a VM, but
I can't get it to install. With both the Live ISO and the full DVD iso,
if I point the virtual DVD drive at the ISO, it boots into the main
syslinux/Anaconda menu, but as soon as I select "Install Fedora",  the
screen goes black and nothing ever happens. Has anyone installed F20
into a VirtualBox VM?

Thanks,
--Greg
I had success with VirtualBox and F20 on two machines, after initially 
having this very black screen on several trials. So please don't mind 
my  question: When creating the new VM in VBox Manager, did you choose 
the correct version of Fedora? I clicked on "Fedora" and I missed that 
there was an entry "Fedora (64bit)" ...


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Re: Faith based partitioning...

[Heinz Diehl]

On 20.12.2013, Tom Horsley wrote: 

> I see the partitioning interface still hasn't improved in f20.
> You still simply must go on faith that you might be allowed
> to make the changes you want sometime after you press a
> button labeled "Done".

Yes, that's f*cking annoying...

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Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 20 December 2013, Greg Woods sent:
> The eventual point of this is that there is really no such thing as a
> hard-to-guess and easy-to-remember password. It's one thing to have a
> password like "purplepolkadotsonmydog", but another to remember
> whether that password was for Amazon, Newegg, Kaiser,  other web sites>.
> 
> I can and do use a very small number of hard-to-guess,
> easy-to-remember passwords for places where using the password safe is
> not practical (e.g. the initial login to my personal machines, the
> password for the safe, the password for Dropbox). But for anyone who
> does a lot of stuff online, and therefore interacts with a large
> number of sites that use a password for authentication, you need a
> password safe. 

It gets worse if you use multiple computers.  It's a nightmare trying to
do something that's accessible on all, and secure.  Whether that be
letting applications remember passwords, and I'm severely pissed with
browsers that can't remember passwords because some *utterly*
*unimportant* site thinks they should block your browser from doing so
(though I don't object to a bank site doing that), or having a special
password safe application.  I can remember but a few passwords off the
top of my head.

Smartarse passwords can bite you on the bum.  I had to phone up a
service and tell them a password for access.  Previously, their system
had given me a lot of grief, so I had set a password that stated what I
thought of them.  ;-)

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Re: trying to mount usb/hard drive

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 12/20/2013 11:39 AM, bruce wrote:

Hi,

The drive from the 1st system is a 640G drive

The partition data from the system monitor app gives the following:

/dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_root/
/dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_apps/apps
/dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_backup/backup
/dev/sda1/boot
/dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_home/home

When I pop the drive into a usb drive bay to examine/view the drive
from the 2nd system, I only get the 340M slice of the drive.


Here is my notes on working with LVMs:

LVM partitions

I used the following to figure it out.
http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/

You'll probably need to do /sbin/vgscan to figure out the lvm name then
run

/sbin/vgchange -a y;
mount /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 /mnt/whatever

To find the mount point try

ls /dev/LVM_Group_name/


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Re: trying to mount usb/hard drive

[Mark Haney]

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On 12/20/2013 11:39 AM, bruce wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The drive from the 1st system is a 640G drive
> 
> The partition data from the system monitor app gives the
> following:
> 
> /dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_root/ 
> /dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_apps/apps 
> /dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_backup/backup /dev/sda1
> /boot /dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_home/home
> 

Make sure you have the lvm utils installed and mount by lv name.
Here's some decent instructions I googled:

http://linuxers.org/howto/how-mount-linux-lvm-volume-partitions-linux

May or may not be precisely correct being a couple of years old, but I
believe the process is similar regardless.



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Re: f20 - gnome-tweak-tools?

[Tim]

Robert Moskowitz:
>> yum provides gnome-tweak-tool
>> 
>> and
>> 
>> No matches found

Steven Stern:
> Yum install gnome-tweak-tool
> 
> You search should  have been
> 
> [sdstern@sds-desk-2 ~]$ yum provides "*/gnome-tweak-tool"
> 00:00
> gnome-tweak-tool-3.10.1-2.fc20.noarch : A tool to customize advanced GNOME 3
>   : options
> Repo: fedora
> Matched from:
> Filename: /usr/share/doc/gnome-tweak-tool
> Filename: /usr/share/gnome-tweak-tool
> Filename: /usr/bin/gnome-tweak-tool

I don't believe I've seen someone point out *this* distinction, the
different parameters being written after "yum," in this thread, that
different people have written while trying to work it out:

  yum search
  yum provides

Note *that* difference, search or provides, not the actual
gnome-tweak-tool thing being looked for, as to why it's not doing what
you expect.  They do different jobs.

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trying to mount usb/hard drive

[bruce]

Hi,

The drive from the 1st system is a 640G drive

The partition data from the system monitor app gives the following:

/dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_root/
/dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_apps/apps
/dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_backup/backup
/dev/sda1/boot
/dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_home/home

When I pop the drive into a usb drive bay to examine/view the drive
from the 2nd system, I only get the 340M slice of the drive.

when I do a "fdisk -l" on the drives in the 2nd system, it sees the "drive",

Disk /dev/sdc: 640.1 GB, 640135028736 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 77825 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x2800

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdc1   *   1  64  512000   83  Linux
Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
/dev/sdc2  64   77826   624618496   8e  Linux LVM

So the question is what do I have to "enter/type" at the cmdline to
actually mount the given partition "/apps, /home" of the 640G drive to
be able to access the underlying data??

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Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

[Greg Woods]

On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 18:35 +1030, Tim wrote:
> Allegedly, on or about 19 December 2013, Greg Woods sent:
> > it is very risky to use the same password at multiple locations, even
> > if it is an easy-to-remember but hard-to-guess password. 
> 
> It definitely is, and I've seen the results, even on the more benign
> side of things.

The eventual point of this is that there is really no such thing as a
hard-to-guess and easy-to-remember password. It's one thing to have a
password like "purplepolkadotsonmydog", but another to remember whether
that password was for Amazon, Newegg, Kaiser, .

I can and do use a very small number of hard-to-guess, easy-to-remember
passwords for places where using the password safe is not practical
(e.g. the initial login to my personal machines, the password for the
safe, the password for Dropbox). But for anyone who does a lot of stuff
online, and therefore interacts with a large number of sites that use a
password for authentication, you need a password safe.

--Greg
 

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Re: F20 in VirtualBox VM

[Greg Woods]

On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 09:53 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 12/20/13 09:26, Greg Woods wrote:
> > On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 08:04 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> >
> >> Yes.  Been installing and testing F20 on a VM for a while now.
> >>
> >>  But make sure you're running VirtualBox 4.3.6
> > Thanks for the tip, I was on 4.3.4 . So I upgraded to 4.3.6, installed
> > the extension pack, and...  I still get a black screen after selecting
> > "install Fedora 20" from the Anaconda/syslinux boot menu.
> >
> 
> That is odd.
> 
> FWIW, my F19 host is 64bit and I'm using the rpmfusion nVidia stuff to drive 
> the host system video.  Also, I've only installed/tested F20 in 64 bit.

Same for me on all counts.

> When I select Install the screen goes black for about 5 seconds, then goes 
> white for about 10 seconds and then black with scrolling messages.

That is what I see when I create a VM in virt-manager instead of
VirtualBox, but under VB, the screen goes black and never recovers.

> You have verified the checksums of the downloaded ISO's?

Yes, and the same ISO works fine under virt-manager. I actually got an
install completed. So I'm going to concentrate now on moving away from
VB altogether, which will require converting a couple of Windows VMs to
run under KVM instead of VB. I only used VB in the first place because
KVM really wasn't ready for prime time when Red Hat first started
supplying it. Performance was horrible. Now it's much better as a lot of
work has been done on it since then.

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Re: f20 - gedit

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 12/20/2013 10:23 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Robert Moskowitz > wrote:


On 12/20/2013 10:03 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Robert Moskowitz
mailto:r...@htt-consult.com>> wrote:

You mean like lowering inittab to 3, logging in as root, then
running startx so you can get the full root gui experience?



No, I mean logging into the desktop as root rather than as a
normal user. This is generally frowned on.


Isn't this pretty much the same?  Once you lower inittab to 3,
there is no problem logging in as root.  startx then gives you
your root gui.

What am I missing.


You seem to have got hold of the wrong end of the stick. I'm not 
trying to explain how to get root in a desktop. I'm just saying that 
this is often cited as a bad idea. The argument is that you should get 
root for a specific task (such as editing a system file) and then give 
it up at once. Running the desktop as root means you're going to be 
doing all sorts of things that don't actually need root, thus 
increasing the security threat. It's an aspect of the Principle of 
Least Privilege. Added to that, the X system itself has in the past 
had a number of vulnerabilities which would make running the desktop 
under root more dangerous.


Got it now.  We are both on the same side of the page.  Just got there 
from different directions.



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where is skype tray icone on F20?

[Adel ESSAFI]

hello list
The new F20 graphical interface is very good, however, I can't find skype
skype icon in the tray.
Do you have the same problem? Any solution?
regards
Adel
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Re: Faith based partitioning...

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:26:11 + Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Ranjan Maitra <
> maitra.mbox.igno...@inbox.com> wrote:
> 
> > > I had a lot of trouble with partitioning when installing F19 back when it
> > > came out, but once I solved it I couldn't remember all the fine detail of
> > > what was wrong with the interface, except that it was deeply unintuitive
> > > and required me to close my eyes and press OK while hoping it would do
> > the
> > > right thing. Since most of us only do this once every 6 months or so, I'm
> > > probably not alone in being unable to give a coherent report to BZ. Maybe
> > > that's why it never improves.
> >
> > Agreed, but now that the points are fresh in your mind, and so is a
> > good time to try and inform the developers in a cogent manner.
> >
> 
> 
> You misunderstood me (or I wasn't clear enough). I was talking about F19
> and 6 months ago. I haven't installed F20 yet so I don't know what will
> happen. When I do I'll try and make notes in case the same issues crop up
> again, in which case I could conceivably report them to BZ.

Thanks! Sorry for my misunderstanding.

Best wishes,
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Re: Faith based partitioning...

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Ranjan Maitra <
maitra.mbox.igno...@inbox.com> wrote:

> > I had a lot of trouble with partitioning when installing F19 back when it
> > came out, but once I solved it I couldn't remember all the fine detail of
> > what was wrong with the interface, except that it was deeply unintuitive
> > and required me to close my eyes and press OK while hoping it would do
> the
> > right thing. Since most of us only do this once every 6 months or so, I'm
> > probably not alone in being unable to give a coherent report to BZ. Maybe
> > that's why it never improves.
>
> Agreed, but now that the points are fresh in your mind, and so is a
> good time to try and inform the developers in a cogent manner.
>


You misunderstood me (or I wasn't clear enough). I was talking about F19
and 6 months ago. I haven't installed F20 yet so I don't know what will
happen. When I do I'll try and make notes in case the same issues crop up
again, in which case I could conceivably report them to BZ.

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Re: f20 - gedit

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

> On 12/20/2013 10:03 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Robert Moskowitz 
> wrote:
>
>> You mean like lowering inittab to 3, logging in as root, then running
>> startx so you can get the full root gui experience?
>>
>
>
>  No, I mean logging into the desktop as root rather than as a normal
> user. This is generally frowned on.
>
>
> Isn't this pretty much the same?  Once you lower inittab to 3, there is no
> problem logging in as root.  startx then gives you your root gui.
>
> What am I missing.
>

You seem to have got hold of the wrong end of the stick. I'm not trying to
explain how to get root in a desktop. I'm just saying that this is often
cited as a bad idea. The argument is that you should get root for a
specific task (such as editing a system file) and then give it up at once.
Running the desktop as root means you're going to be doing all sorts of
things that don't actually need root, thus increasing the security threat.
It's an aspect of the Principle of Least Privilege. Added to that, the X
system itself has in the past had a number of vulnerabilities which would
make running the desktop under root more dangerous.

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Re: Faith based partitioning...

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:09:15 + Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Ranjan Maitra <
> maitra.mbox.igno...@inbox.com> wrote:
> 
> > Perhaps, the original poster can consider requesting an enhancement
> > (RFE) on BZ explaining his views cogently (as he has done here) or on
> > the devel mailing list (ML) because we are also very often told here
> > that developers do not hang out much on this ML.
> >
> 
> 
> I had a lot of trouble with partitioning when installing F19 back when it
> came out, but once I solved it I couldn't remember all the fine detail of
> what was wrong with the interface, except that it was deeply unintuitive
> and required me to close my eyes and press OK while hoping it would do the
> right thing. Since most of us only do this once every 6 months or so, I'm
> probably not alone in being unable to give a coherent report to BZ. Maybe
> that's why it never improves.

Agreed, but now that the points are fresh in your mind, and so is a
good time to try and inform the developers in a cogent manner. 

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Re: Faith based partitioning...

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 12/20/2013 10:09 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Ranjan Maitra 
mailto:maitra.mbox.igno...@inbox.com>> 
wrote:


Perhaps, the original poster can consider requesting an enhancement
(RFE) on BZ explaining his views cogently (as he has done here) or on
the devel mailing list (ML) because we are also very often told here
that developers do not hang out much on this ML.



I had a lot of trouble with partitioning when installing F19 back when 
it came out, but once I solved it I couldn't remember all the fine 
detail of what was wrong with the interface, except that it was deeply 
unintuitive and required me to close my eyes and press OK while hoping 
it would do the right thing. Since most of us only do this once every 
6 months or so, I'm probably not alone in being unable to give a 
coherent report to BZ. Maybe that's why it never improves.


Things really changed from f17.  And did not change so much.  What it 
took to get into cusomizing the partitioning was really well hidden.  
Once I got there, it was the same thing (well a few addtions) of keeping 
my old partitions, telling disk druid what diretory to use (like it has 
the old ones and can't suggest them?) and click on reformating.  So I 
don't have to go through all the pain I had initially figuring out a 
partitioning scheme.



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Re: Faith based partitioning...

[Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA]

On 12/20/2013 09:19 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:

I see the partitioning interface still hasn't improved in f20.
You still simply must go on faith that you might be allowed
to make the changes you want sometime after you press a
button labeled "Done".



I installed a larger [650 gig] disk to get away from the 80 gig drive I 
was using for F-19 and if I understand what I see the installer has 
squeezed everything into less than 60? I will have to fix that now. I 
wondered about it when doing the install but saw no way to edit things 
and figured they probably knew better than I did and it would become 
part of the LVM, it doesn't look that way to me. And I thought I finally 
knew how to run the installer ...


Gparted shows 507.17 GiB as not mounted.

So much for my "faith."

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Re: f20 - gedit

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 12/20/2013 10:03 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Robert Moskowitz 
mailto:r...@htt-consult.com>> wrote:


You mean like lowering inittab to 3, logging in as root, then
running startx so you can get the full root gui experience?



No, I mean logging into the desktop as root rather than as a normal 
user. This is generally frowned on.


Isn't this pretty much the same?  Once you lower inittab to 3, there is 
no problem logging in as root.  startx then gives you your root gui.


What am I missing.

BTW, I use to do this until I finally buckled down and got decent at 
doing what I needed in a su terminal session.  And I DO use vi a lot.  I 
have been using it since '93 and never graduated to emacs; still have my 
original O'Reilly vi book.


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Re: Faith based partitioning...

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Ranjan Maitra <
maitra.mbox.igno...@inbox.com> wrote:

> Perhaps, the original poster can consider requesting an enhancement
> (RFE) on BZ explaining his views cogently (as he has done here) or on
> the devel mailing list (ML) because we are also very often told here
> that developers do not hang out much on this ML.
>


I had a lot of trouble with partitioning when installing F19 back when it
came out, but once I solved it I couldn't remember all the fine detail of
what was wrong with the interface, except that it was deeply unintuitive
and required me to close my eyes and press OK while hoping it would do the
right thing. Since most of us only do this once every 6 months or so, I'm
probably not alone in being unable to give a coherent report to BZ. Maybe
that's why it never improves.

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Re: f20 - gedit

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 12/20/2013 05:43 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote:

On 20 December 2013 03:05, Robert Moskowitz  wrote:

On 12/19/2013 07:45 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:

On 12/19/2013 09:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:


On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:

On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:


On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:


Confirm
used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those entries
appear within gedit.

What did you change?  I just went through all of dconf-editor listed
items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on
settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word wrap.

When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in the
top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you will see
under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text wrapping' and 'do not
split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for.

I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic mode".
I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it).

Is this icon not visible in your install?


Fresh install.  Have not applied the updates yet.


Please, do it right now.


I see that gedit icon
on the top bar once gedit is running.  It has a down arrow right next
to
it.  I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more than
one is open.


Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for
switching between different copies of the same application, but for a
drop down menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by
yourself, it is cheap!!


I DID try clicking on the arrow and nothing happened.  Since I only had
one gedit opened, I tried to figure it out.  Now that you say this is
what it does, I realized where I MAY be having troubles.  I am in
terminal, sued, and running gedit to edit the yum.conf.d files! So I
opened terminal regular and ran gedit & and sure enough it works and I
can set preferences no problem for ME and turn off word wrap.

But I cannot do it for root's use of gedit to edit config files.  :(


You are right about this, because I opened /etc/yum.conf with gedit using
sudo and I'm not able to open the drop down menu. Maybe this behavior is
intentional, but I'm not sure.


So, I should give it a try and just put up with the wrapping. Afterall vi
wraps, but actually does it smarter.

I can see why, as the top bar is running as ME and should NOT let ME set
preferences for gedit as root.  But that begs the question on HOW to change
the preferences for root.


I tested and yes the AppMenu doesn't show for apps run as root.

As I posted before, you can force apps run under gnome-shell to show
all their menus in their own windows and not rely on AppMenu by
running this command as user in terminal:

gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides
"{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"


ALL RIGHT  This works!  Thanks for all the private help to run it 
right as user.  gedit shelled to root now has preferences so I was able 
to turn off text wrap.


Also makes Nautilus behave better IMHO.  But I still can't get trees 
instead of places.  Have found out how to get folders showing trees, but 
not on the left.  Makes dragging and dropping a real drag.



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Re: f20 - gedit

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

> You mean like lowering inittab to 3, logging in as root, then running
> startx so you can get the full root gui experience?
>


No, I mean logging into the desktop as root rather than as a normal user.
This is generally frowned on.

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Re: reading/copying a drive??

[bruce]

Hi.

The drive in question has multiple partitions, but I was only trying
to access the drive as a "raw/data" drive if that was/is possible.

the sys monitor app lists the file systems for the drive as being:
/dev/mapper/vg_dell45-lv_root   /
/dev/mapper/vg_dell45-lv_apps /apps
/dev/mapper/vg_dell45-lv_backup  /backup
/dev/mapper/vg_dell45-lv_boot  /boot
/dev/mapper/vg_dell45-lv_home/home

so i assume in order to "see" the drive in the usb bay on the new
system, i'd  mount the drive/partitions using the dir or devicename
which would then get the actual partition/drive contents.

is this close?




On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:09 AM, Tim  wrote:
> Allegedly, on or about 19 December 2013, bruce sent:
>> Took a drive from an older FC13 system, put it in a usb drive bay to
>> read from a centos 6.5 system
>>
>> centos sees the drive, but only reports the drive as 350 M free, of a
>> 640G drive..
>>
>> centos doesn't show all the folders/files on the drive. I'm only
>> seeing the vm/image files...
>
> Does it have more than one drive partition, and you've only mounted one?
>
> Are you the same user on the new and old systems?  Not the same
> username, names are actually ignored.  You need the same numerical user
> ID.
>
> --
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> Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64
>
> All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point
> trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the
> public lists.
>
> George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not
> a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments.
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Re: Faith based partitioning...

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 12:37:28 -0200 Fernando Cassia 
wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Tom Horsley  wrote:
> 
> > Instead of relying on faith, it shows you exactly what
> > it would do in a summary at the top of the screen and
> > has checkboxes for the most common things you'd want
> > to change (separate /home or not, etc). As you click
> > the checkboxes, you see exactly what the partitioning will
> > look like in the summary at the top. No faith required.
> 
> +1
> 
> I hear you, and I agree. Yet I don't know if things will get rational
> anytime soon.
> I still remember your rant one year ago, and agree with it wholeheartedly...
> 
> Anaconda "should be renamed cryptoconda" - "the result of a group of
> maniacs giving each other feedback"
> ;)
> 

I agree with the sentiments, and I think that the developers can not
see the issues here from an ordinary users perspective, so familiar they
are with what to do with regard to partitioning. At the same time, I
feel that developers -- and especially in the OSS world -- want their
product to be used with ease with more people (that is after all one of
their major rewards) so they would likely be open to changes.

Perhaps, the original poster can consider requesting an enhancement
(RFE) on BZ explaining his views cogently (as he has done here) or on
the devel mailing list (ML) because we are also very often told here
that developers do not hang out much on this ML.

Best wishes,
Ranjan


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Re: f20 - gedit

[David G . Miller]

Patrick O'Callaghan  gmail.com> writes:

> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Tom Horsley  gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:35:45 -0300
> Germán A. Racca wrote:
> > Anyway, it is safer to use something like VIM to edit files as root, I
> > only tested gedit because I saw your email, but as root I use only VIM
> > to edit files :)
> This again? Please give a link to the giant list of exploits
> that have actually happened because someone ran a GUI program
> as root. I keep seeing this warning, yet no one has ever
> provided an actual example of any kind of root exploit happening.
> 
> IIRC most comments are about not running the desktop itself as root,
rather than specific apps.
> 
> poc
> 
I've found it isn't even something external or malicious.  More along the
lines of X won't start and one needs to edit xorg.conf (or its predecessors)
to fix it using vim or emacs.  I've seen people re-install because they
couldn't fix X without a GUI editor or broke it worse because they totally
jacked up xorg.conf using vi.

Cheers,
Dave



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Re: Faith based partitioning...

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 12/20/2013 09:19 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:

I see the partitioning interface still hasn't improved in f20.
You still simply must go on faith that you might be allowed
to make the changes you want sometime after you press a
button labeled "Done".

I've been installing several different distros in virtual
machines recently, for an example of a near perfect interface
I'd point you to opensuse (I don't really like opensuse much,
but the partitioning interface is close to flawless).

Instead of relying on faith, it shows you exactly what
it would do in a summary at the top of the screen and
has checkboxes for the most common things you'd want
to change (separate /home or not, etc). As you click
the checkboxes, you see exactly what the partitioning will
look like in the summary at the top. No faith required.
Sounds close to what I have enjoyed on Centos.  As I allocate the disk, 
I have this nice graphic that shows me the progress.  Even shows the 
allocations inside of an LVM.  Or at least the last time I did a Centos 
install.



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Oopses from wireless device in F19

[pgaltieri .]

I just recently installed F19 on a new Dell Inspiron R15 7537 and since
then I've been getting kernel oopses from the wireless device.  What's
interesting :-( is that right before the oops if I do

cat /proc/sys/kernel/tainted

it returns 0.  Right after the oops it returns 512.

I have no extra kernel modules installed.  So I don't understand why it
suddenly shows my kernel as tainted.  This oops happens at least once per
day, and sometimes more.  The only way to get the wireless working is to
reboot.  Also the network-manager applet still shows me as connected even
though I can't ping out to the internet.  If I try to disconnect the
wireless and retry it never reconnects until I reboot the laptop.

Anyone else seen this behavior?

Output of lspci:

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT DRAM Controller (rev 09)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated
Graphics Controller (rev 09)
00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT HD Audio Controller
(rev 09)
00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation Lynx Point-LP USB xHCI HC (rev 04)
00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation Lynx Point-LP HECI #0
(rev 04)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Lynx Point-LP HD Audio Controller
(rev 04)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Lynx Point-LP PCI Express Root Port 1
(rev e4)
00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Lynx Point-LP PCI Express Root Port 3
(rev e4)
00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Lynx Point-LP PCI Express Root Port 4
(rev e4)
00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation Lynx Point-LP USB EHCI #1 (rev 04)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation Lynx Point-LP LPC Controller (rev 04)
00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation Lynx Point-LP SATA Controller 1
[AHCI mode] (rev 04)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation Lynx Point-LP SMBus Controller (rev 04)
02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev 73)

Any assistance is appreciated.

I submitted a bug via the abort applet, but I can't find the number.

Paolo
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Re: f20 - gnome-tweak-tools?

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 12/19/2013 11:01 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:

On 12/19/2013 09:26 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:


On 12/19/2013 06:15 PM, Steven Stern wrote:

On 12/19/2013 05:05 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
So I have been reading up release notes on f20 which leads me to 
release

notes of gnome 3.10 and

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Release_Notes/sect-Release_Notes-Changes_for_Desktop.html 





3.1.4 discusses gnome-tweak-tool

No gnome-tweak-tool installed.

so

yum provides gnome-tweak-tool

and

No matches found

What happened?  Who stole it?  ;)





Yum install gnome-tweak-tool

You search should  have been

[sdstern@sds-desk-2 ~]$ yum provides "*/gnome-tweak-tool"
00:00
gnome-tweak-tool-3.10.1-2.fc20.noarch : A tool to customize advanced
GNOME 3
   : options
Repo: fedora
Matched from:
Filename: /usr/share/doc/gnome-tweak-tool
Filename: /usr/share/gnome-tweak-tool
Filename: /usr/bin/gnome-tweak-tool


Doesn't work for me; and I tried using the public mirrors, not my local
repo.  Further on:

http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/releases/20/Fedora/i386/os/Packages/g/
and
http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/releases/20/Fedora/x86_64/os/Packages/g/ 



no gnome-tweak-tools




Please put the full output, including the command, and don't truncate it.

When you use provides option, you have to put the name of a file, and 
in your case it could be '/usr/bin/gnome-tweak-tool' or more 
specifically '*/gnome-tweak-tool'.


OK.  Things are working today, and I will assume I just could not type 
gnome-tweak.


But as far as what you can put into provides (from this f17 box, got the 
same thing on my f20 test system):


# yum provides gnome-tweak*
Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit
adobe-linux-i386 |  951 B 00:00
adobe-linux-x86_64   |  951 B 00:00
rpmfusion-free-updates   | 3.3 kB 00:00
rpmfusion-nonfree-updates| 3.3 kB 00:00
updates/17/x86_64/metalink   | 4.0 kB 00:00
gnome-tweak-tool-3.3.4-1.fc17.noarch : A tool to customize advanced GNOME 3
 : options
Repo: fedora
Matched from:
Other   : gnome-tweak-tool = 3.3.4-1.fc17



gnome-tweak-tool-3.4.0.1-2.fc17.noarch : A tool to customize advanced 
GNOME 3

   : options
Repo: updates
Matched from:
Other   : gnome-tweak-tool = 3.4.0.1-2.fc17



gnome-tweak-tool-3.4.0.1-2.fc17.noarch : A tool to customize advanced 
GNOME 3

   : options
Repo: @updates


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Re: Faith based partitioning...

[Fernando Cassia]

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Tom Horsley  wrote:

> Instead of relying on faith, it shows you exactly what
> it would do in a summary at the top of the screen and
> has checkboxes for the most common things you'd want
> to change (separate /home or not, etc). As you click
> the checkboxes, you see exactly what the partitioning will
> look like in the summary at the top. No faith required.

+1

I hear you, and I agree. Yet I don't know if things will get rational
anytime soon.
I still remember your rant one year ago, and agree with it wholeheartedly...

Anaconda "should be renamed cryptoconda" - "the result of a group of
maniacs giving each other feedback"
;)

FC
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can you (theoretically) run only NFSv4 (without earlier versions)?

[Robert P. J. Day]

  a long, long time ago, i reported an apparent glitch with NFS on
fedora:

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-January/097465.html

in that, at the time, it *appeared* that you couldn't set up
NFS so that *only* version 4 was running. before i start messing
with this again, anyone know whether that's changed? that is,
is it possible to set up a network in which only NFSv4 is running,
and no earlier versions are supported? thanks.

rday

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Re: Re: FedUp 18 -> 19 Orphans

[Kevin H. Hobbs]

Michael Young said:
> You need to do both at the same time. Here yum shell is useful as it
> lets you gather a series of yum commands and run them in one batch.
> Try something like
> 
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>> remove perl-5.16.3-245.fc18.x86_64 install perl-autodie run
> and if that works
>> exit
> 
> you may need to add other commands as well to sort out the
> dependencies.

Wow, Michael, thank you very much for that.

I don't know how I managed not to know about yum shell.



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Faith based partitioning...

[Tom Horsley]

I see the partitioning interface still hasn't improved in f20.
You still simply must go on faith that you might be allowed
to make the changes you want sometime after you press a
button labeled "Done".

I've been installing several different distros in virtual
machines recently, for an example of a near perfect interface
I'd point you to opensuse (I don't really like opensuse much,
but the partitioning interface is close to flawless).

Instead of relying on faith, it shows you exactly what
it would do in a summary at the top of the screen and
has checkboxes for the most common things you'd want
to change (separate /home or not, etc). As you click
the checkboxes, you see exactly what the partitioning will
look like in the summary at the top. No faith required.
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Re: f20 - gedit

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 12/20/2013 08:02 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:

On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:42:49 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:


I tend to forget about rpm itself.  Actually, when I DID use it, yum
would get upset,

It doesn't. Yum warns that the RPM database has been modified by a tool
other than Yum, but you're free to ignore that warning. Yum maintains
a few own databases (see e.g. "yum history") in addition to the RPM db,
and for packages installed/removed with plain "rpm", it won't be able
to track them for features such as "yum history undo …".


I did eventually figure that out.  Still, I try for peace and harmony on 
my systems. ;)


Just got in the habit of yum localinstall, as that does the job of 
making sure you have all the dependencies right.


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Re: f20 - gedit

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 12/20/2013 05:43 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote:

On 20 December 2013 03:05, Robert Moskowitz  wrote:

On 12/19/2013 07:45 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:

On 12/19/2013 09:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:


On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:

On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:


On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:


Confirm
used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those entries
appear within gedit.

What did you change?  I just went through all of dconf-editor listed
items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on
settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word wrap.

When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in the
top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you will see
under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text wrapping' and 'do not
split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for.

I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic mode".
I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it).

Is this icon not visible in your install?


Fresh install.  Have not applied the updates yet.


Please, do it right now.


I see that gedit icon
on the top bar once gedit is running.  It has a down arrow right next
to
it.  I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more than
one is open.


Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for
switching between different copies of the same application, but for a
drop down menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by
yourself, it is cheap!!


I DID try clicking on the arrow and nothing happened.  Since I only had
one gedit opened, I tried to figure it out.  Now that you say this is
what it does, I realized where I MAY be having troubles.  I am in
terminal, sued, and running gedit to edit the yum.conf.d files! So I
opened terminal regular and ran gedit & and sure enough it works and I
can set preferences no problem for ME and turn off word wrap.

But I cannot do it for root's use of gedit to edit config files.  :(


You are right about this, because I opened /etc/yum.conf with gedit using
sudo and I'm not able to open the drop down menu. Maybe this behavior is
intentional, but I'm not sure.


So, I should give it a try and just put up with the wrapping. Afterall vi
wraps, but actually does it smarter.

I can see why, as the top bar is running as ME and should NOT let ME set
preferences for gedit as root.  But that begs the question on HOW to change
the preferences for root.


I tested and yes the AppMenu doesn't show for apps run as root.

As I posted before, you can force apps run under gnome-shell to show
all their menus in their own windows and not rely on AppMenu by
running this command as user in terminal:

gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides
"{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"


OK.  I did not follow you before that this was a command to run. Just 
did not look close enough at what you wrote.


So I ran this in a terminal as root then ran gedit as the next command 
and AppMenu is not in gedit.  It is still on the top bar, not usable.  
So I am still not following this.



(or by using dconf-editor).


I did try dconf-editor, but can't figure out where it is in the tree.


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Re: f20 - gedit

[Michael Schwendt]

On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:42:49 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

> I tend to forget about rpm itself.  Actually, when I DID use it, yum 
> would get upset,

It doesn't. Yum warns that the RPM database has been modified by a tool
other than Yum, but you're free to ignore that warning. Yum maintains
a few own databases (see e.g. "yum history") in addition to the RPM db,
and for packages installed/removed with plain "rpm", it won't be able
to track them for features such as "yum history undo …".
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Re: f20 - gnome-tweak-tools?

[Michael Schwendt]

On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 18:05:32 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

> So I have been reading up release notes on f20 which leads me to release 
> notes of gnome 3.10 and
> 
> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Release_Notes/sect-Release_Notes-Changes_for_Desktop.html
> 
> 3.1.4 discusses gnome-tweak-tool
> 
> No gnome-tweak-tool installed.
> 
> so
> 
> yum provides gnome-tweak-tool
> 
> and
> 
> No matches found
> 
> What happened?  Who stole it?  ;)

That's a poor search attempt. ;-p

It's easy to find, since the package name matches already. Look at these
two search results:


# yum search gnome tweak tool
Loaded plugins: auto-update-debuginfo, langpacks, refresh-packagekit
=== N/S matched: gnome, tweak, tool 
gnome-tweak-tool.noarch : A tool to customize advanced GNOME 3 options

  Full name and summary matches only, use "search all" for everything.


# yum search gnome-tweak-tool
Loaded plugins: auto-update-debuginfo, langpacks, refresh-packagekit
 N/S matched: gnome-tweak-tool =
gnome-tweak-tool.noarch : A tool to customize advanced GNOME 3 options

  Name and summary matches only, use "search all" for everything.
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Re: f20 - gnome-tweak-tools?

[Ahmad Samir]

On 20 December 2013 02:26, Robert Moskowitz  wrote:
>
> On 12/19/2013 06:15 PM, Steven Stern wrote:
>>
>> On 12/19/2013 05:05 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>
>>> So I have been reading up release notes on f20 which leads me to release
>>> notes of gnome 3.10 and
>>>
>>>
>>> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Release_Notes/sect-Release_Notes-Changes_for_Desktop.html
>>>
>>>
>>> 3.1.4 discusses gnome-tweak-tool
>>>
>>> No gnome-tweak-tool installed.
>>>
>>> so
>>>
>>> yum provides gnome-tweak-tool
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> No matches found
>>>
>>> What happened?  Who stole it?  ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Yum install gnome-tweak-tool
>>
>> You search should  have been
>>
>> [sdstern@sds-desk-2 ~]$ yum provides "*/gnome-tweak-tool"
>> 00:00
>> gnome-tweak-tool-3.10.1-2.fc20.noarch : A tool to customize advanced GNOME
>> 3
>>: options
>> Repo: fedora
>> Matched from:
>> Filename: /usr/share/doc/gnome-tweak-tool
>> Filename: /usr/share/gnome-tweak-tool
>> Filename: /usr/bin/gnome-tweak-tool
>
>
> Doesn't work for me; and I tried using the public mirrors, not my local
> repo.  Further on:
>
> http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/releases/20/Fedora/i386/os/Packages/g/
> and
> http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/releases/20/Fedora/x86_64/os/Packages/g/
>
> no gnome-tweak-tools
>

$ yumdownloader --urls gnome-tweak-tool
http://nl.mirror.eurid.eu/fedora/linux/releases/20/Everything/x86_64/os/Packages/g/gnome-tweak-tool-3.10.1-2.fc20.noarch.rpm


So it's there:
http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/releases/20/Everything/x86_64/os/Packages/g/gnome-tweak-tool-3.10.1-2.fc20.noarch.rpm


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Re: f20 - gnome-tweak-tools?

[Steve Searle]

Around 12:26am on Friday, December 20, 2013 (UK time), Robert Moskowitz wrote:

> Doesn't work for me; and I tried using the public mirrors, not my local 
> repo.  Further on:
> 
> http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/releases/20/Fedora/i386/os/Packages/g/
> and
> http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/releases/20/Fedora/x86_64/os/Packages/g/
> 
> no gnome-tweak-tools

Did you try with ...-tools or ..-tool - it should be the latter.

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Re: f20 - gedit

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 12/20/2013 06:20 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Tom Horsley > wrote:


On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:35:45 -0300
Germán A. Racca wrote:

> Anyway, it is safer to use something like VIM to edit files as
root, I
> only tested gedit because I saw your email, but as root I use
only VIM
> to edit files :)

This again? Please give a link to the giant list of exploits
that have actually happened because someone ran a GUI program
as root. I keep seeing this warning, yet no one has ever
provided an actual example of any kind of root exploit happening.



IIRC most comments are about not running the desktop itself as root, 
rather than specific apps.


You mean like lowering inittab to 3, logging in as root, then running 
startx so you can get the full root gui experience?


:)


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announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

[Ales Kozumplik]

Hello,

On behalf of the DNF team I'd like to invite all the interested Fedora 
users in trying out and testing DNF in Fedora 20. DNF is a tool that 
aims to fully replace Yum by Fedora 22. Please check out the blog post 
for more information:


http://dnf.baseurl.org/2013/12/19/dnf-and-fedora-20/

We look forward to hear your feedback and kindly ask you to use bugzilla 
to report any issues found.


Thank you,

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Re: f20 - gedit

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Tom Horsley  wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:35:45 -0300
> Germán A. Racca wrote:
>
> > Anyway, it is safer to use something like VIM to edit files as root, I
> > only tested gedit because I saw your email, but as root I use only VIM
> > to edit files :)
>
> This again? Please give a link to the giant list of exploits
> that have actually happened because someone ran a GUI program
> as root. I keep seeing this warning, yet no one has ever
> provided an actual example of any kind of root exploit happening.
>


IIRC most comments are about not running the desktop itself as root, rather
than specific apps.

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Re: f20 - gedit

[Tom Horsley]

On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:35:45 -0300
Germán A. Racca wrote:

> Anyway, it is safer to use something like VIM to edit files as root, I 
> only tested gedit because I saw your email, but as root I use only VIM 
> to edit files :)

This again? Please give a link to the giant list of exploits
that have actually happened because someone ran a GUI program
as root. I keep seeing this warning, yet no one has ever
provided an actual example of any kind of root exploit happening.
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Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Roger  wrote:

>  On 12/20/2013 09:24 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Tim  wrote:
>
>> e.g. A fool uses some webservice that asks you to log in with your
>> hotmail username and password, so they do, despite the face that this
>> webservice is not hotmail.
>>
>
>
>  Not quite what you're saying but tangentially related: many web sites
> are confusing to the naive user. They ask you to register using your email
> address and a password, without making it clear that they don't mean the
> password for the email account. I'm sure more than a few people have been
> caught by that. It doesn't mean the website is malicious, but now the
> attack front on the password has been expanded.
>
>  poc
>
>  I've noticed that they prefer/require email address as user name to
> reduce the instance of simplistic user names while remaining memorable.
> There's nothing to stop one using a fictitious email address as a user
> name provided one remembers it when needed. qwert...@qwe.bv once worked
> for me along with similary stupid trials.
>


Except when they actually want the real address to confirm the
registration, which is quite common. In any case, the point I was making is
that the password should be different, something which may not be clear to
every user.

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Re: f20 - gedit

[Ahmad Samir]

On 20 December 2013 03:05, Robert Moskowitz  wrote:
>
> On 12/19/2013 07:45 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
>>
>> On 12/19/2013 09:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:

 On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
>
> On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
 Confirm
 used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those entries
 appear within gedit.
>>>
>>> What did you change?  I just went through all of dconf-editor listed
>>> items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on
>>> settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word wrap.
>>
>> When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in the
>> top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you will see
>> under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text wrapping' and 'do not
>> split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for.
>>
>> I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic mode".
>> I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it).
>>
>> Is this icon not visible in your install?
>
>
> Fresh install.  Have not applied the updates yet.


 Please, do it right now.

> I see that gedit icon
> on the top bar once gedit is running.  It has a down arrow right next
> to
> it.  I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more than
> one is open.


 Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for
 switching between different copies of the same application, but for a
 drop down menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by
 yourself, it is cheap!!
>>>
>>>
>>> I DID try clicking on the arrow and nothing happened.  Since I only had
>>> one gedit opened, I tried to figure it out.  Now that you say this is
>>> what it does, I realized where I MAY be having troubles.  I am in
>>> terminal, sued, and running gedit to edit the yum.conf.d files! So I
>>> opened terminal regular and ran gedit & and sure enough it works and I
>>> can set preferences no problem for ME and turn off word wrap.
>>>
>>> But I cannot do it for root's use of gedit to edit config files.  :(
>>
>>
>> You are right about this, because I opened /etc/yum.conf with gedit using
>> sudo and I'm not able to open the drop down menu. Maybe this behavior is
>> intentional, but I'm not sure.
>
>
> So, I should give it a try and just put up with the wrapping. Afterall vi
> wraps, but actually does it smarter.
>
> I can see why, as the top bar is running as ME and should NOT let ME set
> preferences for gedit as root.  But that begs the question on HOW to change
> the preferences for root.
>

I tested and yes the AppMenu doesn't show for apps run as root.

As I posted before, you can force apps run under gnome-shell to show
all their menus in their own windows and not rely on AppMenu by
running this command as user in terminal:

gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides
"{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"

(or by using dconf-editor).

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Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

[Roger]

On 12/20/2013 09:24 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Tim > wrote:


e.g. A fool uses some webservice that asks you to log in with your
hotmail username and password, so they do, despite the face that this
webservice is not hotmail.



Not quite what you're saying but tangentially related: many web sites 
are confusing to the naive user. They ask you to register using your 
email address and a password, without making it clear that they don't 
mean the password for the email account. I'm sure more than a few 
people have been caught by that. It doesn't mean the website is 
malicious, but now the attack front on the password has been expanded.


poc

I've noticed that they prefer/require email address as user name to 
reduce the instance of simplistic user names while remaining memorable.
There's nothing to stop one using a fictitious email address as a user 
name provided one remembers it when needed. qwert...@qwe.bv once worked 
for me along with similary stupid trials.
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Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Tim  wrote:

> e.g. A fool uses some webservice that asks you to log in with your
> hotmail username and password, so they do, despite the face that this
> webservice is not hotmail.
>


Not quite what you're saying but tangentially related: many web sites are
confusing to the naive user. They ask you to register using your email
address and a password, without making it clear that they don't mean the
password for the email account. I'm sure more than a few people have been
caught by that. It doesn't mean the website is malicious, but now the
attack front on the password has been expanded.

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Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

[David Beveridge]

Have you seen this one. Only for RHEL5 so a bit out of date but much
of it will still apply.
http://www.nsa.gov/ia/_files/os/redhat/NSA_RHEL_5_GUIDE_v4.2.pdf


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 3:05 AM, bruce  wrote:
> Hey guys. - subject says it all!!
>
> For a basic centos/fedora install. Need to have
> pointers/docs/suggestions/solid steps to actually harden/secure a
> system.
>
> I've looked at a bunch of different articles/sites, so I'm also turning here.
>
> Also, are there any good (i know) security lists/resources (people) I
> could talk to about remotely hiring for this process..
>
> thanks
>
> 'ppreciate it!!
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Re: reading/copying a drive??

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 19 December 2013, bruce sent:
> Took a drive from an older FC13 system, put it in a usb drive bay to
> read from a centos 6.5 system
> 
> centos sees the drive, but only reports the drive as 350 M free, of a
> 640G drive..
> 
> centos doesn't show all the folders/files on the drive. I'm only
> seeing the vm/image files...

Does it have more than one drive partition, and you've only mounted one?

Are you the same user on the new and old systems?  Not the same
username, names are actually ignored.  You need the same numerical user
ID.

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Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 19 December 2013, Greg Woods sent:
> it is very risky to use the same password at multiple locations, even
> if it is an easy-to-remember but hard-to-guess password. 

It definitely is, and I've seen the results, even on the more benign
side of things.

e.g. A fool uses some webservice that asks you to log in with your
hotmail username and password, so they do, despite the face that this
webservice is not hotmail.  It logs into hotmail, pretending to be them,
and does things, such as:  Spamming every address they find in their
account, as if the hacked person was writing them a message.  If
somewhere along the way, they find the fool has other internet accounts
(e.g. yahoo), it'll try logging into them using the same password.  So,
the fool with one password, lets someone into all their email accounts,
their paypal account, their bank...

I can't remember if it were two or three people I know who've been done
like a dinner, that way.  If I know a few, there's got to be thousands
more.

It's only slightly mitigated by webservices having different password
contraints.  e.g. As a simplistic example of that, some will stupidly
say you can only have a six letter password, others will insist it must
be more than eight letters.  So a fool can't use the same password for
everything, sometimes...

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