Re: Double line spacing

[Brian Barker]

At 22:38 31/07/2016 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:

On 07/31/2016 06:23 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 07:36 01/08/2016 +1000, Richard Beeston wrote:
I need to write a thesis and the requirement is to have double 
line spacing ...


Second, you should let your institution know that the world no 
longer uses typewriters. It is only in typescript that the concept 
of double spacing really exists, since it supposes that the printed 
output is restricted to discrete vertical positions. There is no 
such restriction on commercial printing or even on printed output 
produced by word processors - though it is possible to choose that 
lines are separated by exactly twice the default spacing, of course.


There is a very good reason for double-spaced text in any document 
submitted for publication or for scholarly discussion or grading. In 
the case of publication, it allows the editor to make corrections; 
in the second instance, it allows the reader and or the professor to 
make useful comments on particular portions of the text. In the 
first instance, I speak from some small experience as the long-term 
editor of a newsletter which runs from 12 to 20 pages per issue, of 
which there are 10 per year. Altho I edit on the computer, it is 
easier to deal with a double-spaced text as to finding and 
"repairing" a given section of the manuscript.


Sorry, but you miss my point; sorry if I wasn't clear. Of course you 
are right that it can be convenient to have *extra* space between the 
lines of text in a printed document - and the original questioner 
will want to provide this, as is required by his institution. But the 
idea of *double* spacing in particular is surely a hangover from 
typewriter technology, where vertical line positioning was limited to 
complete line heights (or sometimes half that). Both commercial 
printers and word processors are capable of much finer gradations of spacing.


Commercially printed material sometimes has additional spacing 
between lines, called leading (pronounced "ledding" as in Pb and 
itself a term that is a hangover from hot-metal technology), but this 
does not need to be in whole line heights. A printer may add 
two-point leading to, say, ten-point text, and will describe this as 
printed "ten on twelve point". Again, word processors allow similar 
fine choices about vertical spacing. There are other choices than 
Double in Writer's "Line spacing" setting and the effect is very flexible.


I feel that word processor users sometimes think in terms of 
typewriter technology, and I took the opportunity to suggest that 
wider choices were available here (but then provided the answer 
requested, I hope).


(BTW: /Manuscript/ implies that it was written /by hand/ as opposed 
to being typed!)


Indeed, from the Latin fourth declension "manus" - hand. But I'm not 
sure of your point here. You seem to be suggesting that someone 
misused the word "manuscript", but the conversation was not about 
manuscripts and you were the only person to introduce the term.


Brian Barker  



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Re: Conveting files from Word Perfect x7

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Believe it or not, as of right now Zamzar still enables people to convert
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> On the Openoffice Forum we normally recommend that one use the free online
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Re: Font colour changes in global substitutions

[brian]

On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 00:45:46 +0100, Brian Barker wrote:

I think you hit my answer lower down your reply, so excuse the snip...


>A few thoughts:
>
>o Are you sure that your book publisher will want to print hearts and 
>diamonds symbols in red in otherwise black text in your book?
>

Absolutely certain. It's the third volume of three in a series which
is published via Amazon's 'print on demand' services. We send Amazon
the book as a PDF, they print a copy when somebody buys one. 

>o Are you sure, if your publisher will print these in red, that their 
>system will properly inherit the colours from your word processor 
>document? 

From the PDF, yes. All they're doing is printing a copy off on a
colour printer, binding it, and sending it to the buyer. 

>It is probably more likely that the book designer will 
>mandate that these symbols should be red (if that is the case) and 
>the compositor will follow that instruction. In that case, you do not 
>need your symbols to be coloured. At best, all you need is a note to 
>the publisher about your preference.
>

We're the designers as well as the authors. :) 

This is only ever going to be an *extremely* small circulation set of
books.  We're documenting a bidding system as a service to a group of
players (and possible future players) who learn the system via classes
taught on an online bridge service. No conventional publisher would
touch it with a barge pole. If any of the books ever sells more than
100 copies, I will be surprised. As you will have guessed, we don't
exactly expect to retire on the proceeds. :) 

>o You can probably make your life much easier by leaving the 
>substitution until you have finished the book text. Then you won't 
>need ever to insert text after your red symbols. 

Now THAT is the very obvious fix that I was missing...  

>Did your original 
>have "hearts" and "diamonds"? Why not leave these and replace them 
>once you have (more or less) finalised the text? Better still, why 
>not type codes - perhaps something like #h and #d? - and replace 
>these at the end? That way, there is less risk of your replacing the 
>small number of occurrences of the words that you probably need to 
>retain spelled out.
>
The reason not to leave them until the end is because some of the
alignment is quite tricky, and I don't want to screw it up by changing
the length of some of the strings when doing the final substitution.
However, if I change them to codes of the same length now, then that
should solve that particular problem. 

>I trust this helps.
>

It did. Thank you. 

I'm not overly familiar with the intricacies of word processors, I'm
much more at home with programmers' editors and IDEs. My knowledge of
Word Perfect came from those occasions when I wasn't able to get out
of producing user documentation for the programs I'd written. Word
Perfect was our standard (I'm going back a few years!) The reason I'm
trying to use Open Office now is because my co-author and I differ on
our choice of operating system, and we needed something which crossed
platforms.

Brian. 

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RE: Open Office 4 Email Problems

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Assuming you want the recipient to have an email with your document file 
attached, use the following steps:

 1. Save the study document to your file system.

 2. When you open Windows Live Mail and address a new message to be sent, 
attach the document.  (This might be an Insert option depending on your 
version.) Then send the message.

Alternative: If you have the Windows PC desktop application for Windows Live 
Mail, see if you can set it as your default email application.  Then the Send 
to Email from Apache OpenOffice 4 might work.  If it doesn't, use the above 
procedure.

 - Dennis

If this is unclear, please reply to users@openoffice.apache.org with 
information about the version of Windows you are using.


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> Hello  Open Office Support
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> from Melbourne , Australia
> 
> Subject : Email problems via windows live mail .
> 
> Recently downloaded Apache Open Office 4
> 
> Have typed written study documents in Open Office  file  about 5-6
> pages, but cannot email the documents out via windows live mail
> 
> Could you please offer me tech support advice
> 
> 
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Re: Font colour changes in global substitutions

[Tina]

You have to make sure that the font has all changed to black again. Sorry if 
I'm not explaining this correctly. You have to make sure that the colour in the 
little box is black again and not red. After pasting the character, select it, 
go to colour selection, choose black and it will change. Then after pressing 
the spacing bar, the colour in the box might change back to red again. If this 
happens, then once again go to the colour selection for fonts and choose either 
black or the default colour. Sometimes, when typing, we forget that the space 
that follows the character in question will automatically have the same 
characteristics as the letter, number, or whatever of the previous one. I too 
have sometimes encountered this problem. Just have a bit of patience.
 
Tina

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El Domingo, 31 de julio, 2016 18:46:03, Brian Barker 
 escribió:
 

 At 18:45 31/07/2016 -0400, Brian Meadows wrote:
>I have a draft of a bridge (the card game) book to work on. My 
>co-author and I have decided to use the suit symbols where possible, 
>and I need to make that change retrospectively. I know how to 
>substitute the red suit symbols for hearts and diamonds (I cheat by 
>copying the symbols from elsewhere in the text) but I can't work out
>how to then switch back to black text after I've done the 
>substitution, if I change the text after the substituted symbol then 
>it comes out in red, which is NOT what I want.

It's standard behaviour in all word processors, I think, that any new 
text typed in inherits its formatting from the immediately preceding text.

>I tried adding a unique string in black after the symbol and then 
>substituting that out, nope, doesn't work, I still have the problem 
>that I seem to have switched to red text.

No, you simply have one red character and Writer assumes that you 
would want anything following it also to be red. Imagine if this were 
not the case: if you added a single character in some text, perhaps 
to correct a spelling error, it would appear in some default format, 
and you would have to go back and change it to a different font, font 
size, bold, italic, whatever - like your existing formatted 
surrounding text! No: this arrangement is generally helpful.

>This would take me about two minutes in dear old Word Perfect, ...

That's because Word Perfect is both "dear" and "old" - in other 
words, that you are familiar with it. It takes much less than two 
minutes do something similar in OpenOffice - once you become familiar 
with that too.

>I've spent more than two hours trying to solve the problem in OO. 
>Can someone please save my remaining sanity and tell me how to do 
>this, I have a LOT of symbols to substitute, far too many to do them by hand.

You are seeing the problem as something different from what it is. 
Replacing your original text with red symbols is the right thing to 
do. You just need to find a way to add following text back in the 
default colour afterwards. And you won't have "a lot" of occasions 
where you need to do this - at least, not at once. Read on.

>Secondary question: Is there any such thing as a 'reveal codes' 
>option in Open Office where you can see all these things like font 
>changes etc. embedded in your document?

Yes and no. If you want to unpack the document file, the XML 
description of your document is indeed a markup language, and you 
could see something similar. But you would be very ill-advised to try 
to tinker with them there. Messing with the "codes" in Word Perfect 
was introduced to circumvent inefficiencies in the software, wasn't 
it? The trouble is that users became happy with interfering under the 
bonnet ("hood" if you are in that part of the world) and now don't 
appreciate being able to do things properly through the normal 
interface. So the short answer is "No": don't think of the problem that way.

Here are a few techniques:

o Is there generally a space after the symbol? Hopefully you won't 
have made that space red as well. If you type your additional 
material after that space, it will not become red.

o In any case, instead of typing immediately after your coloured 
symbol, start one character to the right (or one word if you prefer), 
retype that spare character at the end of your new text, and return 
to delete the original single character afterwards.

o Just type away in red, select your new text, and use the Font 
Colour drop-down in the Formatting toolbar to return the colour 

Re: Double line spacing

[Brian Barker]

At 23:46 31/07/2016 +, Tina Noname wrote:

Simply look for line spacing and choose that which you want at the time.


Sorry to be blunt, but the original questioner was asking how to do 
this! Now you are just telling him he should just do it - but not 
how. And he wants it generally, not "at the time".



You should find it under tools.


Er, he won't, you know! You are now also telling him to look in the 
wrong place.


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Re: Open Office 4 Email Problems

[Tina]

First off, I always save my documents in word sot that people opening them 
won't have any problems. You could also export them as pdfs by the way. I don't 
use that e-mail server. I prefer yahoo and gmail for they present fewer 
problems. But, in general, you shouldn't have problems attaching the document 
in question. Or, if you want to send what you have typed as part of your 
e-mail, select the words in question, copy, and then paste them to your e-mail 
normally as if you had typed it there on the e-mail itself. Hope this helps 
somewhat.
Cheers and God bless,
 
Tina

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never know until the end. But every interaction that we have - even if just a 
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El Domingo, 31 de julio, 2016 16:57:19, "travel...@yahoo.com.au.INVALID" 
 escribió:
 

 Hello  Open Office Support 

My name is GeraldW
from Melbourne , Australia 

Subject : Email problems via windows live mail .

Recently downloaded Apache Open Office 4 

Have typed written study documents in Open Office  file  about 5-6 pages, but 
cannot email the documents out via windows live mail  

Could you please offer me tech support advice 


Thank you

  

Re: Double line spacing

[Tina]

 Simply look for line spacing and choose that which you want at the time. You 
should find it under tools. Hope this helps somewhat.
Cheers,

Tina

"'God' brings us into each others lives for a reason and purpose that we may 
never know until the end. But every interaction that we have - even if just a 
simple smile, is a catalyst for something bigger, with a positive or negative 
outcome, so you must be aware of yourself so you can help another when it is 
needed." ~SchaOn



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El Domingo, 31 de julio, 2016 17:24:03, Brian Barker 
 escribió:
 

 At 07:36 01/08/2016 +1000, Richard Beeston wrote:
>I need to write a thesis and the requirement is to have double line 
>spacing on each page of a document of approximately 150 pages. 
>Rather than hit the enter button twice each time especially as I 
>could be writing long sentences and not wanting to interrupt my 
>thought process can I set any part of OO to automatically do double 
>line spacing.

First, let's debunk the idea that you could ever do the job in the 
way that you suggest. In a word-processor document, you press Enter 
not at the end of each line but at the end of a paragraph. So you 
would be dividing your work into one-line paragraphs, each separated 
by an empty paragraph. This would have many implications for how the 
document text behaved, not the least of which would be that you could 
no longer justify your text - if that is what you wanted. More 
important, any small modification you make to your text may well 
require you to move the position of the end of each false paragraph - 
all the way down to the end of the real paragraph. (Even if you 
believe that you won't need to modify your text, your examiners will 
have other ideas!)

True line breaks can be inserted using Shift+Enter instead. A 
technique using these would allow justification of text but would 
retain the other disadvantages.

Second, you should let your institution know that the world no longer 
uses typewriters. It is only in typescript that the concept of double 
spacing really exists, since it supposes that the printed output is 
restricted to discrete vertical positions. There is no such 
restriction on commercial printing or even on printed output produced 
by word processors - though it is possible to choose that lines are 
separated by exactly twice the default spacing, of course.

o Either:
  + Select your text.
  + Go to Format | Paragraph... | Indents & Spacing | Line spacing 
(or right-click | Paragraph... | Indents & Spacing | Line spacing).
o Or:
  + Right-click in the paragraph and go to Edit Paragraph Style... | 
Indents & Spacing | Line spacing).
o Select Double from the drop-down menu.

The first option will set the line spacing for the current paragraph 
and for any new paragraphs that you create following it. The second 
option is better, in that it will do the same for the *style* of the 
current paragraph, so the effect will be carried into all paragraphs 
having the same style. If you have not applied any style, your 
paragraphs will nevertheless have a style - probably "Default". In 
that case, you will have to perform the task only once for the entire 
document. You can choose and apply other styles later for any 
paragraphs that require different line spacing.

I trust this helps.

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Re: Font colour changes in global substitutions

[Brian Barker]

At 18:45 31/07/2016 -0400, Brian Meadows wrote:
I have a draft of a bridge (the card game) book to work on. My 
co-author and I have decided to use the suit symbols where possible, 
and I need to make that change retrospectively. I know how to 
substitute the red suit symbols for hearts and diamonds (I cheat by 
copying the symbols from elsewhere in the text) but I can't work out
how to then switch back to black text after I've done the 
substitution, if I change the text after the substituted symbol then 
it comes out in red, which is NOT what I want.


It's standard behaviour in all word processors, I think, that any new 
text typed in inherits its formatting from the immediately preceding text.


I tried adding a unique string in black after the symbol and then 
substituting that out, nope, doesn't work, I still have the problem 
that I seem to have switched to red text.


No, you simply have one red character and Writer assumes that you 
would want anything following it also to be red. Imagine if this were 
not the case: if you added a single character in some text, perhaps 
to correct a spelling error, it would appear in some default format, 
and you would have to go back and change it to a different font, font 
size, bold, italic, whatever - like your existing formatted 
surrounding text! No: this arrangement is generally helpful.



This would take me about two minutes in dear old Word Perfect, ...


That's because Word Perfect is both "dear" and "old" - in other 
words, that you are familiar with it. It takes much less than two 
minutes do something similar in OpenOffice - once you become familiar 
with that too.


I've spent more than two hours trying to solve the problem in OO. 
Can someone please save my remaining sanity and tell me how to do 
this, I have a LOT of symbols to substitute, far too many to do them by hand.


You are seeing the problem as something different from what it is. 
Replacing your original text with red symbols is the right thing to 
do. You just need to find a way to add following text back in the 
default colour afterwards. And you won't have "a lot" of occasions 
where you need to do this - at least, not at once. Read on.


Secondary question: Is there any such thing as a 'reveal codes' 
option in Open Office where you can see all these things like font 
changes etc. embedded in your document?


Yes and no. If you want to unpack the document file, the XML 
description of your document is indeed a markup language, and you 
could see something similar. But you would be very ill-advised to try 
to tinker with them there. Messing with the "codes" in Word Perfect 
was introduced to circumvent inefficiencies in the software, wasn't 
it? The trouble is that users became happy with interfering under the 
bonnet ("hood" if you are in that part of the world) and now don't 
appreciate being able to do things properly through the normal 
interface. So the short answer is "No": don't think of the problem that way.


Here are a few techniques:

o Is there generally a space after the symbol? Hopefully you won't 
have made that space red as well. If you type your additional 
material after that space, it will not become red.


o In any case, instead of typing immediately after your coloured 
symbol, start one character to the right (or one word if you prefer), 
retype that spare character at the end of your new text, and return 
to delete the original single character afterwards.


o Just type away in red, select your new text, and use the Font 
Colour drop-down in the Formatting toolbar to return the colour to 
Automatic (or whatever).


A few thoughts:

o Are you sure that your book publisher will want to print hearts and 
diamonds symbols in red in otherwise black text in your book?


o Are you sure, if your publisher will print these in red, that their 
system will properly inherit the colours from your word processor 
document? It is probably more likely that the book designer will 
mandate that these symbols should be red (if that is the case) and 
the compositor will follow that instruction. In that case, you do not 
need your symbols to be coloured. At best, all you need is a note to 
the publisher about your preference.


o You can probably make your life much easier by leaving the 
substitution until you have finished the book text. Then you won't 
need ever to insert text after your red symbols. Did your original 
have "hearts" and "diamonds"? Why not leave these and replace them 
once you have (more or less) finalised the text? Better still, why 
not type codes - perhaps something like #h and #d? - and replace 
these at the end? That way, there is less risk of your replacing the 
small number of occurrences of the words that you probably need to 
retain spelled out.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: Font colour changes in global substitutions

[Tina]

Hi,
Just as if you were using normal Word. Select that which you want to change. 
Then go to font colour and select the colour black. It will automatically 
change to black. Easy as pie. Hope this helps somewhat.
Cheers,
 
Tina

"'God' brings us into each others lives for a reason and purpose that we may 
never know until the end. But every interaction that we have - even if just a 
simple smile, is a catalyst for something bigger, with a positive or negative 
outcome, so you must be aware of yourself so you can help another when it is 
needed." ~SchaOn



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El Domingo, 31 de julio, 2016 17:45:55, brian  
escribió:
 

 
Hi folks, 

This may be a simple question, excuse me if so, but I'm none too
familiar with Open Office, I'm only using it for compatibility
purposes. I HAVE looked at the help information, and if it tells me
how to do this, then I'm missing it. 

I have a draft of a bridge (the card game) book to work on. My
co-author and I have decided to use the suit symbols where possible,
and I need to make that change retrospectively. I know how to
substitute the red suit symbols for hearts and diamonds (I cheat by
copying the symbols from elsewhere in the text) but I can't work out
how to then switch back to black text after I've done the
substitution, if I change the text after the substituted symbol then
it comes out in red, which is NOT what I want. I tried adding a unique
string in black after the symbol and then substituting that out, nope,
doesn't work, I still have the problem that I seem to have switched to
red text. 

This would take me about two minutes in dear old Word Perfect, I've
spent more than two hours trying to solve the problem in OO. Can
someone please save my remaining sanity and tell me how to do this, I
have a LOT of symbols to substitute, far too many to do them by hand. 

Secondary question: Is there any such thing as a 'reveal codes' option
in Open Office where you can see all these things like font changes
etc. embedded in your document? 

Thanks, 

Brian. 

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Font colour changes in global substitutions

[brian]

Hi folks, 

This may be a simple question, excuse me if so, but I'm none too
familiar with Open Office, I'm only using it for compatibility
purposes. I HAVE looked at the help information, and if it tells me
how to do this, then I'm missing it. 

I have a draft of a bridge (the card game) book to work on. My
co-author and I have decided to use the suit symbols where possible,
and I need to make that change retrospectively. I know how to
substitute the red suit symbols for hearts and diamonds (I cheat by
copying the symbols from elsewhere in the text) but I can't work out
how to then switch back to black text after I've done the
substitution, if I change the text after the substituted symbol then
it comes out in red, which is NOT what I want. I tried adding a unique
string in black after the symbol and then substituting that out, nope,
doesn't work, I still have the problem that I seem to have switched to
red text. 

This would take me about two minutes in dear old Word Perfect, I've
spent more than two hours trying to solve the problem in OO. Can
someone please save my remaining sanity and tell me how to do this, I
have a LOT of symbols to substitute, far too many to do them by hand. 

Secondary question: Is there any such thing as a 'reveal codes' option
in Open Office where you can see all these things like font changes
etc. embedded in your document? 

Thanks, 

Brian. 

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Re: Double line spacing

[Brian Barker]

At 07:36 01/08/2016 +1000, Richard Beeston wrote:
I need to write a thesis and the requirement is to have double line 
spacing on each page of a document of approximately 150 pages. 
Rather than hit the enter button twice each time especially as I 
could be writing long sentences and not wanting to interrupt my 
thought process can I set any part of OO to automatically do double 
line spacing.


First, let's debunk the idea that you could ever do the job in the 
way that you suggest. In a word-processor document, you press Enter 
not at the end of each line but at the end of a paragraph. So you 
would be dividing your work into one-line paragraphs, each separated 
by an empty paragraph. This would have many implications for how the 
document text behaved, not the least of which would be that you could 
no longer justify your text - if that is what you wanted. More 
important, any small modification you make to your text may well 
require you to move the position of the end of each false paragraph - 
all the way down to the end of the real paragraph. (Even if you 
believe that you won't need to modify your text, your examiners will 
have other ideas!)


True line breaks can be inserted using Shift+Enter instead. A 
technique using these would allow justification of text but would 
retain the other disadvantages.


Second, you should let your institution know that the world no longer 
uses typewriters. It is only in typescript that the concept of double 
spacing really exists, since it supposes that the printed output is 
restricted to discrete vertical positions. There is no such 
restriction on commercial printing or even on printed output produced 
by word processors - though it is possible to choose that lines are 
separated by exactly twice the default spacing, of course.


o Either:
 + Select your text.
 + Go to Format | Paragraph... | Indents & Spacing | Line spacing 
(or right-click | Paragraph... | Indents & Spacing | Line spacing).

o Or:
 + Right-click in the paragraph and go to Edit Paragraph Style... | 
Indents & Spacing | Line spacing).

o Select Double from the drop-down menu.

The first option will set the line spacing for the current paragraph 
and for any new paragraphs that you create following it. The second 
option is better, in that it will do the same for the *style* of the 
current paragraph, so the effect will be carried into all paragraphs 
having the same style. If you have not applied any style, your 
paragraphs will nevertheless have a style - probably "Default". In 
that case, you will have to perform the task only once for the entire 
document. You can choose and apply other styles later for any 
paragraphs that require different line spacing.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Open Office 4 Email Problems

[travel4wd]

Hello  Open Office Support 

My name is GeraldW
from Melbourne , Australia 

Subject : Email problems via windows live mail .

Recently downloaded Apache Open Office 4 

Have typed written study documents in Open Office  file  about 5-6 pages, but 
cannot email the documents out via windows live mail  

Could you please offer me tech support advice 


Thank you 

Re: Double line spacing

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 07:36:33 +1000
"Richard Beeston"  wrote:

> Hi
> 
> Is there anyone who can help me
> 
> I need to write a thesis and the requirement is to have double line spacing 
> on each page of a document of approximately 150 pages. Ratber than hit the 
> enter button twice each time especially as I could be writing long sentences 
> and not wanting to interrupt my thought process can I set any part of OO to 
> automatically do double line spacing.
> 
> Appreciate any assistance I can get
> 
> Richard

Before you start to write your thesis, read up on how to use Styles.  This 
short text aimed at University students will be helpful:
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Writer_for_Students

-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

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Double line spacing

[Richard Beeston]

Hi

Is there anyone who can help me

I need to write a thesis and the requirement is to have double line spacing on 
each page of a document of approximately 150 pages. Ratber than hit the enter 
button twice each time especially as I could be writing long sentences and not 
wanting to interrupt my thought process can I set any part of OO to 
automatically do double line spacing.

Appreciate any assistance I can get

Richard

Re: Conveting files from Word Perfect x7

[Don Daugherty]

Just be aware that Libreofice can't re-save as .wpd after editing.  
Expect to open .wpd and then after editing, save as .odt or any other 
format that Libreoffice can write.



On 7/30/2016 1:33 PM, toki wrote:

Grethe wrote:



i would like to insure, that it is possible to convert files from Word

Perfectx7 to Apache.

Apache OpenOffice won't open WordPerfect files.

LibreOffice will open WordPerfect files.

As such, depending upon the rest of your use case, LibreOffice might be
a more appropriate solution than Apache OpenOffice.

jonathon

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Re: Opening Open Document files [was: How to open zipped file]

[Brian Barker]

At 11:38 31/07/2016 -0700, Ron Patterson wrote:
I am just curious. I had no idea that the Open Office documents were 
'zipped' when saved.


You are talking as if this is somehow a separate process: that the 
document is first saved in some format or other and then afterwards 
zipped. But no: documents in Open Document formats - .odt, .ods, and 
so on - are saved as a series of files, including Extensible Markup 
Language (XML) files, and these are then zipped into an archive. That 
archive *is* the zipped document file. Any application software 
capable of opening Open Document format files will be able to unzip 
the archive, of course.


Does this mean that if I email an Open Office document (as an 
attachment) it could not be opened by someone running Microsoft Word 
as that program could not unzip the document?


The question is simpler than this: just whether the relevant version 
of Microsoft Word can handle Open Document format document files. See

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Application_support for the answer.

Of course, you may prefer to send documents to users of Microsoft 
Word in .doc format or - if, as is often the case, they don't need to 
edit your documents - exported to PDF.


I trust this helps.

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Re: How to open zipped file

[Hagar Delest]

No, it doesn't.
Even OOXML (.docx, ...) is a zipped file. But ODF is a human readable file 
format.
Make a copy of an ODF file and rename it to .zip, you'll see what's inside your 
file. That's the advantage of such an open file format.

MS Word (if not too old) knows how to open ODF files.

Hagar

Le 31/07/2016 à 20:38, Ron Patterson a écrit :

I am just curious.   I had no idea that the Open Office documents were 'zipped' 
when saved.  Does this mean that if I email an Open Office document (as an 
attachment) it could not be opened by someone running Microsoft Word as that 
program could not unzip the document?


On 7/31/2016 10:21 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

The problem appears to be that the iCloud Drive recognizes that OpenOffice 
documents are in a special form of Zip.  They are not meant to be unzipped, 
however.  They must be opened by an application, such as OpenOffice, that 
recognizes the special form and treats them correctly as OpenDocument Format 
documents.

Are you attempting to reuse these back on your Windows 10 machine or your iPad?

If you are downloading them from iCloud back to a Windows machine, change the 
name from extension .zip to the correct form for OpenOffice (.odt for Text, 
.ods for Spreadsheet, .odp for Presentation).  And have OpenOffice installed on 
the machine you are doing this on.  (There is no OpenOffice for the iPad but 
other applications might work.)

If you cannot see the .zip extension (or .odt and the others) on the files, there is a 
setting you need to make in Windows 10 to reveal them.  In the File Explorer, on the View 
tab, check the "File name extensions" box in the Show/hide section (or however 
those are identified in your language).

  - Dennis


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To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: How to open zipped file

Hi
My open office documents were sent to iCloud Drive iPad from PC Windows
10.
But I had no idea these files are zipped. I installed app for unzip but
these couldn't adjust open office files. Please help me how to unzip my
files.

Kazuko


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Re: problem

[Hagar Delest]

Hi,

Are you a Mac user? If so, see: 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17=53884

As a courtesy I have sent a copy of this reply to you as well as to the mailing list. 
Do Not reply to me personally but just to the list at 
 - replies to my personal email address will be 
ignored.

Since you are not subscribed to this list you may not see all the replies to 
your query.
To subscribe Apache OpenOffice mailing lists go to
http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html

Regards,
Hagar


Le 30/07/2016 à 18:43, Emma Daigrepont a écrit :

Hi. I opened the openoffice app on my computer after my computer had died and it pulled up a window that says, 
"The last time you opened OpenOffice, it unexpectedly quit while reopening windows. Do you want to try to reopen 
its windows again?" I clicked "Don't reopen" and nothing happened. Then I clicked "Reopen" and 
nothing happened. Now the window will not go away. No matter how many times I click "reopen and don't reopen" 
the window just stays there. Please help my problem. Please.

Thanks

Re:How to open zipped file

[Ron Patterson]

I am just curious.   I had no idea that the Open Office documents were 
'zipped' when saved.  Does this mean that if I email an Open Office 
document (as an attachment) it could not be opened by someone running 
Microsoft Word as that program could not unzip the document?



On 7/31/2016 10:21 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

The problem appears to be that the iCloud Drive recognizes that OpenOffice 
documents are in a special form of Zip.  They are not meant to be unzipped, 
however.  They must be opened by an application, such as OpenOffice, that 
recognizes the special form and treats them correctly as OpenDocument Format 
documents.

Are you attempting to reuse these back on your Windows 10 machine or your iPad?

If you are downloading them from iCloud back to a Windows machine, change the 
name from extension .zip to the correct form for OpenOffice (.odt for Text, 
.ods for Spreadsheet, .odp for Presentation).  And have OpenOffice installed on 
the machine you are doing this on.  (There is no OpenOffice for the iPad but 
other applications might work.)

If you cannot see the .zip extension (or .odt and the others) on the files, there is a 
setting you need to make in Windows 10 to reveal them.  In the File Explorer, on the View 
tab, check the "File name extensions" box in the Show/hide section (or however 
those are identified in your language).

  - Dennis


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From: kazuko [mailto:kazuko.ino...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:24
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: How to open zipped file

Hi
My open office documents were sent to iCloud Drive iPad from PC Windows
10.
But I had no idea these files are zipped. I installed app for unzip but
these couldn't adjust open office files. Please help me how to unzip my
files.

Kazuko


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Win 10

[John Gregson]

I am having problems installing Open Office (Apache) on my new 
ACER laptop., running Win 10. 
I also have a copy on my new desktop, (with Win 10) but it works well. 
I am an older guy; with minimal computer knowledge. 


John. 



J. Gregson 
jfgreg...@shaw.ca 

RE: Possible Scam

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

The "tech support guy" would not have been anyone representing the Apache 
OpenOffice project.  It sounds like the "clean up" program may have been 
malware of some form.  That is a common ploy to convince users that they need 
to install what is in fact unnecessary and unwanted software.  How did you 
locate and communicate with that person?

You need to find a way to have that software removed from your machine.  I 
recommend getting advice at an Apple store.  If you have concerns that the copy 
of OpenOffice that you installed is also not legitimate, you can have that 
removed also (or uninstall it yourself), and then download and install one via 
.  Check that you obtain one that works on the 
version of OS X on your Macbook Pro.

Note that Apple, Microsoft and others do not "cold call" users, and those who 
pass themselves off as some sort of support don't know if you really have a 
computer, that it has problems, etc.  It could be that scammers have you listed 
as a Macbook user by virtue of the original call and/or the clean-up program 
being installed.

> -Original Message-
> From: James Knott [mailto:james.kn...@rogers.com]
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 18:41
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org; wagar...@msu.edu
> Subject: Re: Possible Scam
> 
> On 07/30/2016 05:20 PM, Wagar, Hannah Lee wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> > I downloaded Open Office on my Macbook Pro a couple years ago. I was
> on the phone with a tech support guy who helped me complete the
> download, then he had me download a program that was supposed to "clean
> up" my computer, and rid it of viruses etc. In the past year I've
> received 2-3 unlisted no caller ID calls from a man (seemingly from
> India or another foreign country to me) asking me about this download
> and telling me to call a toll free number. I'm concerned that I've been
> scammed, and have read a forum from 2011 about possible credit card
> fraud using Apache Open Office's name. I would really appreciate it if
> someone could help me with this issue, as I am concerned about my
> privacy when using Open Office or even making online purchases.
> >
> >
> 
> Where did you download from?  You should only download from
> www.openoffice.org.  Also, to my knowledge, OO does not offer support,
> though 3rd parties do.  BTW, you posted on a mail list for users of
> OpenOffice.  We're just users, like you.
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RE: How to open zipped file

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

The problem appears to be that the iCloud Drive recognizes that OpenOffice 
documents are in a special form of Zip.  They are not meant to be unzipped, 
however.  They must be opened by an application, such as OpenOffice, that 
recognizes the special form and treats them correctly as OpenDocument Format 
documents.  

Are you attempting to reuse these back on your Windows 10 machine or your iPad?

If you are downloading them from iCloud back to a Windows machine, change the 
name from extension .zip to the correct form for OpenOffice (.odt for Text, 
.ods for Spreadsheet, .odp for Presentation).  And have OpenOffice installed on 
the machine you are doing this on.  (There is no OpenOffice for the iPad but 
other applications might work.)

If you cannot see the .zip extension (or .odt and the others) on the files, 
there is a setting you need to make in Windows 10 to reveal them.  In the File 
Explorer, on the View tab, check the "File name extensions" box in the 
Show/hide section (or however those are identified in your language).

 - Dennis

> -Original Message-
> From: kazuko [mailto:kazuko.ino...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:24
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: How to open zipped file
> 
> Hi
> My open office documents were sent to iCloud Drive iPad from PC Windows
> 10.
> But I had no idea these files are zipped. I installed app for unzip but
> these couldn't adjust open office files. Please help me how to unzip my
> files.
> 
> Kazuko
> 
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Re: How to open zipped file

[James Plante]

kazuko, change the file extension to .zip, and the unzip utility will work. At 
present, the file extension is probably .odt; just change that to .zip, and you 
can open it with the unzip utility. 

Jim Plante
> On Jul 31, 2016, at 3:24 AM, kazuko  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> My open office documents were sent to iCloud Drive iPad from PC Windows 10.
> But I had no idea these files are zipped. I installed app for unzip but these 
> couldn't adjust open office files. Please help me how to unzip my files.
> 
> Kazuko
> 
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Fehler

[Ton Veerkamp]

Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

ich habe versucht, die neueste Version von Open Office herunterladen. 
Der Download wird immer wieder rückgängig gemacht: "Fehler 1316: Das 
angegebene Konto ist bereits vorhanden." Ich habe dann versucht , die 
alte Version zu öfnen, gelingt aber nicht mehr. Diese Version kann nicht 
entfernt werden, gleiche Fehleranzeige. Da ich seit Jahren zu meiner 
voller Zufriedenheit gearbeitet habe, möchte ich gerne mit ihrer 
Software weiterarbeiten können. Können Sie mir helfen?


Freundliche Grüße,

Ton Veerkamp

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Re: How to open zipped file

[Robert Funnell]

On Sun, 31 Jul 2016, kazuko wrote:


Hi
My open office documents were sent to iCloud Drive iPad from PC Windows 10.
But I had no idea these files are zipped. I installed app for unzip but these 
couldn't adjust open office files. Please help me how to unzip my files.

Kazuko


I'm not sure what you mean. Do the file names end in .zip now, or 
still .odt? If they end in .zip, your unzip utility should be able to 
unzip them. If they end in .odt, why do you want to unzip them? It's 
true that .odt files are actually zipped files, but there's normally 
no need to unzip them yourself. OpenOffice unzips them itself when it 
opens them and zips them again when it saves them.


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Re: Problem mit: Einfügen-Bild-Scannen-Anfordern

[Wolfgang Jäth]

Am 31.07.2016 um 03:02 schrieb Wagner:
> 
> ich komme allein nicht weiter. Folgende Konfigurationen (2 Rechner)
> Windows 10 und Windows XP
> OpenOffice 4.1.2 und OpenOffice 4.0.2
> Canon Drucker/Scanner/Fax MB2350 über Lan an die Rechner angeschlossen
> Von beiden Rechnern kann ich drucken und faxen und aus anderen 
> Anwendungen auch scannen.

Das Problem kenn ich, auch mit Cannon-Scanner, und zwar schon seit Win
XP ( oder noch früher? ), und auch teilweise mit
anderen Programmen; in 90% aller Fälle hängt sich ScanGear auf. Ich
benutze stattdessen grundsätzlich nur noch die WIA-Schnittstelle
[1](Einfügen => Bild = Scannen => Quelle auswählen). Die ist zwar nicht
so opulent ausgestattet, aber wenigstens funktioniert sie.

[1] WIA (Windows Image Acquisition) wurde von M$ entwickelt und steht in
direkter Konkurenz zu TWAIN. Ein Schelm, wer böses dabei denkt ...

> Bei anderen Anwendungen, wie z.B. Ashampoo Photo Commander oder der 
> Toolbox (auch im Lieferumfang des Druckers) funktioniert Scangear 
> einwandfrei.

Ich würde sagen Zufall; bei mir funktioniert ScanGear auch mit anderen
diversen Programmen nur sehr bedingt (vorsichtig ausgedrückt).

Wolfgang
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Re: Problem mit: Einfügen-Bild-Scannen-Anfordern

[Dave]

Hallo Matthias,

keine direkte Antwort, aber ich arbeite grundsätzlich mit folgendem
Workaround: Ich scanne das Bild ein, bearbeite es in irgendeinem Programm
(Gimp oder was einfacheres), vor allem, um es zuzuschneiden auf das, was
ich tatsächlich brauche, und füge es erst dann ein.

Grüße
Dave

Am 31. Juli 2016 um 03:02 schrieb Wagner :

> Hallo liebes Team,
>
> ich komme allein nicht weiter. Folgende Konfigurationen (2 Rechner)
> Windows 10 und Windows XP
> OpenOffice 4.1.2 und OpenOffice 4.0.2
> Canon Drucker/Scanner/Fax MB2350 über Lan an die Rechner angeschlossen
> Von beiden Rechnern kann ich drucken und faxen und aus anderen Anwendungen
> auch scannen.
>
> Folgende Aussagen beziehen sich auf beide Rechner und Office-Versionen:
>
> Über die Funktion in OpenOffice: Einfügen-Bild-Scannen-Quelle auswählen
> kann ich die Twain-Schnittstelle einstellen
> Über die Funktion in OpenOffice: Einfügen-Bild-Scannen-Anfordern öffnet
> sich ScanGear (im Lieferumfang des Druckers)
>
> Nun kann ich in Scangear alles nach meinen Wünschen einstellen, sogar die
> Vorschau funktioniert,
> aber 2 Buttons funktionieren im Zusammenhang mit OpenOffice in Scangear
> nicht, nämlich scannen und schließen. Das heißt, ich bekomme mein zu
> scannendes Bild nicht in das OpenOffice-Dokument und ScanGear lässt sich
> nur noch durch den Taskmanager abschalten, worauf sich auch OpenOffice
> schließt.
>
> Bei anderen Anwendungen, wie z.B. Ashampoo Photo Commander oder der
> Toolbox (auch im Lieferumfang des Druckers) funktioniert Scangear
> einwandfrei.
>
> Was muss ich im OpenOfficeWriter einstellen damit ScanGear auch hier
> einwandfrei funktioniert?
>
> Die Antwort bitte senden an: wagner@arcor.de
>
> Herzlichen Dank im voraus,
> Matthias Wagner
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How to open zipped file

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But I had no idea these files are zipped. I installed app for unzip but these 
couldn't adjust open office files. Please help me how to unzip my files.

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