Re: Differing scores on spamassassin checks
On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 13:39:31 -0500 Computer Bob wrote: > Update: > For this location, it is ok to have a central bayes database, so I > turned off AWL, adjusted local.cf to contain: > bayes_path /Central_Path/bayes_db/bayes > bayes_file_mode 0777 Don't set 0777. If that's still in the wiki someone with access should remove it. All setting bayes_path buys you here is the ability to run sa-learn and spamassassin as root, something you should *never* do anyway. If you run spamd as the unix user spamd, with "-u spamd", then spamd look for files in ~spamd which is where it was finding them when you (correctly) ran spamassassin as spamd. On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 13:39:46 -0500 Computer Bob wrote: > I still am a bit puzzled how bayes db gets handled when using virtual > users and domains. I see no trace of bayes or .spamassassin files in > any of the virtual locations or in the sql databases. It doesn't do that by default.
Re: Differing scores on spamassassin checks
On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 11:08:35 -0700 (PDT) John Hardin wrote: > On Sun, 15 Apr 2018, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > > > On 15.04.18 11:55, Computer Bob wrote: > >> Here is a root scan: https://pastebin.com/qdXMRzKb > > > > X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=10.2 required=4.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, > >RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100,RAZOR2_CHECK,RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS,SPF_HELO_PASS, > >URIBL_DBL_SPAM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 > > > >> Here is the same run under spamd: https://pastebin.com/SvvYptYv > > > > X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.5 required=4.0 > > tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, > > RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100,RAZOR2_CHECK,RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS,SPF_HELO_PASS > > autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 > > > > the main two differences are AWL and BAYES_00 which means > > > > 1. your spamd' bayes database is mistrained > > 2. you apparently should disable AWL at least until you train bayes > > properly. > > Actually, it's using user-specific (vs. global) bayes databases, and > apparently only root's database is being trained. No that's not correct. The version run as spamd is using files under ~spamd and has BAYES_00, the version run as root is using files under ~root and hasn't been trained.
Re: Differing scores on spamassassin checks
On 15.04.18 11:55, Computer Bob wrote: Here is a root scan: https://pastebin.com/qdXMRzKb On Sun, 15 Apr 2018, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=10.2 required=4.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100,RAZOR2_CHECK,RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS,SPF_HELO_PASS, URIBL_DBL_SPAM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Here is the same run under spamd: https://pastebin.com/SvvYptYv X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.5 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100,RAZOR2_CHECK,RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 the main two differences are AWL and BAYES_00 which means 1. your spamd' bayes database is mistrained 2. you apparently should disable AWL at least until you train bayes properly. On Sun, 15 Apr 2018, John Hardin wrote: Actually, it's using user-specific (vs. global) bayes databases, and apparently only root's database is being trained. Define a shared Bayes database that all users can read and use that. On 15.04.18 11:13, John Hardin wrote: ...or train as spamd rather than as root... the root's BAYES DB seems untrained. the spamd's is trained, but badly (re-training should help there). the question is: how is spamassassin used? running spamd? does spamd run with "-u" option? -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm.
Re: Differing scores on spamassassin checks
On Sun, 15 Apr 2018, John Hardin wrote: On Sun, 15 Apr 2018, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 15.04.18 11:55, Computer Bob wrote: Here is a root scan: https://pastebin.com/qdXMRzKb X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=10.2 required=4.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100,RAZOR2_CHECK,RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS,SPF_HELO_PASS, URIBL_DBL_SPAM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Here is the same run under spamd: https://pastebin.com/SvvYptYv X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.5 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100,RAZOR2_CHECK,RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 the main two differences are AWL and BAYES_00 which means 1. your spamd' bayes database is mistrained 2. you apparently should disable AWL at least until you train bayes properly. Actually, it's using user-specific (vs. global) bayes databases, and apparently only root's database is being trained. Define a shared Bayes database that all users can read and use that. ...or train as spamd rather than as root... -- John Hardin KA7OHZhttp://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/ jhar...@impsec.orgFALaholic #11174 pgpk -a jhar...@impsec.org key: 0xB8732E79 -- 2D8C 34F4 6411 F507 136C AF76 D822 E6E6 B873 2E79 --- Our government should bear in mind the fact that the American Revolution was touched off by the then-current government attempting to confiscate firearms from the people. --- 4 days until the 243rd anniversary of The Shot Heard 'Round The World
Re: Differing scores on spamassassin checks
On Sun, 15 Apr 2018, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 15.04.18 11:55, Computer Bob wrote: Here is a root scan: https://pastebin.com/qdXMRzKb X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=10.2 required=4.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100,RAZOR2_CHECK,RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS,SPF_HELO_PASS, URIBL_DBL_SPAM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Here is the same run under spamd: https://pastebin.com/SvvYptYv X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.5 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100,RAZOR2_CHECK,RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 the main two differences are AWL and BAYES_00 which means 1. your spamd' bayes database is mistrained 2. you apparently should disable AWL at least until you train bayes properly. Actually, it's using user-specific (vs. global) bayes databases, and apparently only root's database is being trained. Define a shared Bayes database that all users can read and use that. -- John Hardin KA7OHZhttp://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/ jhar...@impsec.orgFALaholic #11174 pgpk -a jhar...@impsec.org key: 0xB8732E79 -- 2D8C 34F4 6411 F507 136C AF76 D822 E6E6 B873 2E79 --- Our government should bear in mind the fact that the American Revolution was touched off by the then-current government attempting to confiscate firearms from the people. --- 4 days until the 243rd anniversary of The Shot Heard 'Round The World
Re: Differing scores on spamassassin checks
On 15.04.18 11:55, Computer Bob wrote: Here is a root scan: https://pastebin.com/qdXMRzKb X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=10.2 required=4.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100,RAZOR2_CHECK,RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS,SPF_HELO_PASS, URIBL_DBL_SPAM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Here is the same run under spamd: https://pastebin.com/SvvYptYv X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.5 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100,RAZOR2_CHECK,RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 the main two differences are AWL and BAYES_00 which means 1. your spamd' bayes database is mistrained 2. you apparently should disable AWL at least until you train bayes properly. On 4/15/18 11:34 AM, Computer Bob wrote: Greeting all, * *I have had some issues with spam getting low scores and in troubleshooting I have found that if I run a command line check with "spamassassin -D -x < test" on a mail in question, I get a very high score when run under user root. When run under user spamd it gets a low passing score. This is on obvious spam mail. Any advice on how to determine what is the difference ? * * -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
Re: Differing scores on spamassassin checks
Here is a root scan: https://pastebin.com/qdXMRzKb Here is the same run under spamd: https://pastebin.com/SvvYptYv On 4/15/18 11:34 AM, Computer Bob wrote: Greeting all, * *I have had some issues with spam getting low scores and in troubleshooting I have found that if I run a command line check with "spamassassin -D -x < test" on a mail in question, I get a very high score when run under user root. When run under user spamd it gets a low passing score. This is on obvious spam mail. Any advice on how to determine what is the difference ? * *
Differing scores on spamassassin checks
Greeting all, * *I have had some issues with spam getting low scores and in troubleshooting I have found that if I run a command line check with "spamassassin -D -x < test" on a mail in question, I get a very high score when run under user root. When run under user spamd it gets a low passing score. This is on obvious spam mail. Any advice on how to determine what is the difference ? * *
