[discuss] Release 1.4 with only generics and stop support for 1.3
This thread is the accompanying discussion thread for the ongoing vote on the same subject. Please use this discussion thread for voicing your opinion or asking questions. This makes counting the votes much easier. The discussion on our development list makes it clear that a lot of folks are anxious for generified models. Most users if not all wish us to release a quick release which is 1.3 + generics. The consequence is that the core team will stop to support 1.3, and that everybody that wishes updates will have to migrate to 1.4, and upgrade to Java 5. Why should we keep supporting 1.3 and JDK 1.4? Why only a generified release, and not a full release with more Java5 conversions? Martijn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Release 1.4 with only generics and stop support for 1.3
Hi, I was wondering to what extent it is possible to have generics added to 1.3 but have it compile to 1.4 if necessary? Isn't that a just a question of not using other Java 1.5 constructs such as enums and new JDK classes? Wouldn't that solve most people's problems that need to stick to Java 1.4? Regards, Sebastiaan Martijn Dashorst wrote: This thread is the accompanying discussion thread for the ongoing vote on the same subject. Please use this discussion thread for voicing your opinion or asking questions. This makes counting the votes much easier. The discussion on our development list makes it clear that a lot of folks are anxious for generified models. Most users if not all wish us to release a quick release which is 1.3 + generics. The consequence is that the core team will stop to support 1.3, and that everybody that wishes updates will have to migrate to 1.4, and upgrade to Java 5. Why should we keep supporting 1.3 and JDK 1.4? Why only a generified release, and not a full release with more Java5 conversions? Martijn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [discuss] Release 1.4 with only generics and stop support for 1.3
Response inline On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Martijn Dashorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why should we keep supporting 1.3 and JDK 1.4? Would 1.3 + Java 5 still be supported, or will support for 1.3 be dropped totally? If so, it would then be nice that an upgrade from 1.3 with Java5 will just be a matter of updating the version number. Why only a generified release, and not a full release with more Java5 conversions? Maybe only the generified release will ease the upgrade for wicket 1.3 and Java 1.4 users? - Lars
Re: [discuss] Release 1.4 with only generics and stop support for 1.3
Hmm... bummer. :-) How hard can it be to throw out all references to generics and insert the casts where necessary? :-) But you're right... at least in eclipse it complains if you put the source compliance level higher than the class file compliance level... Regards, Sebastiaan Johan Compagner wrote: dont think you can compile java 5 source (with generics) to 1.4 you have to use something like retroweaver then On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Sebastiaan van Erk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I was wondering to what extent it is possible to have generics added to 1.3 but have it compile to 1.4 if necessary? Isn't that a just a question of not using other Java 1.5 constructs such as enums and new JDK classes? Wouldn't that solve most people's problems that need to stick to Java 1.4? Regards, Sebastiaan Martijn Dashorst wrote: This thread is the accompanying discussion thread for the ongoing vote on the same subject. Please use this discussion thread for voicing your opinion or asking questions. This makes counting the votes much easier. The discussion on our development list makes it clear that a lot of folks are anxious for generified models. Most users if not all wish us to release a quick release which is 1.3 + generics. The consequence is that the core team will stop to support 1.3, and that everybody that wishes updates will have to migrate to 1.4, and upgrade to Java 5. Why should we keep supporting 1.3 and JDK 1.4? Why only a generified release, and not a full release with more Java5 conversions? Martijn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [discuss] Release 1.4 with only generics and stop support for 1.3
dont think you can compile java 5 source (with generics) to 1.4 you have to use something like retroweaver then On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Sebastiaan van Erk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I was wondering to what extent it is possible to have generics added to 1.3 but have it compile to 1.4 if necessary? Isn't that a just a question of not using other Java 1.5 constructs such as enums and new JDK classes? Wouldn't that solve most people's problems that need to stick to Java 1.4? Regards, Sebastiaan Martijn Dashorst wrote: This thread is the accompanying discussion thread for the ongoing vote on the same subject. Please use this discussion thread for voicing your opinion or asking questions. This makes counting the votes much easier. The discussion on our development list makes it clear that a lot of folks are anxious for generified models. Most users if not all wish us to release a quick release which is 1.3 + generics. The consequence is that the core team will stop to support 1.3, and that everybody that wishes updates will have to migrate to 1.4, and upgrade to Java 5. Why should we keep supporting 1.3 and JDK 1.4? Why only a generified release, and not a full release with more Java5 conversions? Martijn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Release 1.4 with only generics and stop support for 1.3
Why does a quick release imply dropping 1.3? IMO if we do a 1.4m1 release and then slowly add additional stuff to 1.4 we could continue to support 1.3. Not that i need 1.3 but it just seems odd to throw away 1.3 so quickly after we released it. AFAIK we have the following branches: 1.2.x : critical bugs only? 1.3.x: current 2.x: dead 1.4.x: future so by doing a quick release of 1.4-m1 we would have to support 1.3 and 1.4 but we only actively need to develop 1.4. please correct me if i am wrong. Maurice On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Sebastiaan van Erk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm... bummer. :-) How hard can it be to throw out all references to generics and insert the casts where necessary? :-) But you're right... at least in eclipse it complains if you put the source compliance level higher than the class file compliance level... Regards, Sebastiaan Johan Compagner wrote: dont think you can compile java 5 source (with generics) to 1.4 you have to use something like retroweaver then On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Sebastiaan van Erk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I was wondering to what extent it is possible to have generics added to 1.3 but have it compile to 1.4 if necessary? Isn't that a just a question of not using other Java 1.5 constructs such as enums and new JDK classes? Wouldn't that solve most people's problems that need to stick to Java 1.4? Regards, Sebastiaan Martijn Dashorst wrote: This thread is the accompanying discussion thread for the ongoing vote on the same subject. Please use this discussion thread for voicing your opinion or asking questions. This makes counting the votes much easier. The discussion on our development list makes it clear that a lot of folks are anxious for generified models. Most users if not all wish us to release a quick release which is 1.3 + generics. The consequence is that the core team will stop to support 1.3, and that everybody that wishes updates will have to migrate to 1.4, and upgrade to Java 5. Why should we keep supporting 1.3 and JDK 1.4? Why only a generified release, and not a full release with more Java5 conversions? Martijn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Release 1.4 with only generics and stop support for 1.3
If you read the planning thread, you see that a lot of folks want to move to the generified Wicket version and don't want to wait 6-8 months to deploy on their production boxes. Martijn On 3/17/08, Maurice Marrink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why does a quick release imply dropping 1.3? IMO if we do a 1.4m1 release and then slowly add additional stuff to 1.4 we could continue to support 1.3. Not that i need 1.3 but it just seems odd to throw away 1.3 so quickly after we released it. AFAIK we have the following branches: 1.2.x : critical bugs only? 1.3.x: current 2.x: dead 1.4.x: future so by doing a quick release of 1.4-m1 we would have to support 1.3 and 1.4 but we only actively need to develop 1.4. please correct me if i am wrong. Maurice On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Sebastiaan van Erk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm... bummer. :-) How hard can it be to throw out all references to generics and insert the casts where necessary? :-) But you're right... at least in eclipse it complains if you put the source compliance level higher than the class file compliance level... Regards, Sebastiaan Johan Compagner wrote: dont think you can compile java 5 source (with generics) to 1.4 you have to use something like retroweaver then On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Sebastiaan van Erk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I was wondering to what extent it is possible to have generics added to 1.3 but have it compile to 1.4 if necessary? Isn't that a just a question of not using other Java 1.5 constructs such as enums and new JDK classes? Wouldn't that solve most people's problems that need to stick to Java 1.4? Regards, Sebastiaan Martijn Dashorst wrote: This thread is the accompanying discussion thread for the ongoing vote on the same subject. Please use this discussion thread for voicing your opinion or asking questions. This makes counting the votes much easier. The discussion on our development list makes it clear that a lot of folks are anxious for generified models. Most users if not all wish us to release a quick release which is 1.3 + generics. The consequence is that the core team will stop to support 1.3, and that everybody that wishes updates will have to migrate to 1.4, and upgrade to Java 5. Why should we keep supporting 1.3 and JDK 1.4? Why only a generified release, and not a full release with more Java5 conversions? Martijn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Buy Wicket in Action: http://manning.com/dashorst Apache Wicket 1.3.2 is released Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3.2 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Release 1.4 with only generics and stop support for 1.3
i had read that thread, but i guess i did not realize they do not want a milestone release on production. personally i have no problem with that. Thanks for clearing that up. Maurice On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Martijn Dashorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you read the planning thread, you see that a lot of folks want to move to the generified Wicket version and don't want to wait 6-8 months to deploy on their production boxes. Martijn On 3/17/08, Maurice Marrink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why does a quick release imply dropping 1.3? IMO if we do a 1.4m1 release and then slowly add additional stuff to 1.4 we could continue to support 1.3. Not that i need 1.3 but it just seems odd to throw away 1.3 so quickly after we released it. AFAIK we have the following branches: 1.2.x : critical bugs only? 1.3.x: current 2.x: dead 1.4.x: future so by doing a quick release of 1.4-m1 we would have to support 1.3 and 1.4 but we only actively need to develop 1.4. please correct me if i am wrong. Maurice On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Sebastiaan van Erk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm... bummer. :-) How hard can it be to throw out all references to generics and insert the casts where necessary? :-) But you're right... at least in eclipse it complains if you put the source compliance level higher than the class file compliance level... Regards, Sebastiaan Johan Compagner wrote: dont think you can compile java 5 source (with generics) to 1.4 you have to use something like retroweaver then On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Sebastiaan van Erk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I was wondering to what extent it is possible to have generics added to 1.3 but have it compile to 1.4 if necessary? Isn't that a just a question of not using other Java 1.5 constructs such as enums and new JDK classes? Wouldn't that solve most people's problems that need to stick to Java 1.4? Regards, Sebastiaan Martijn Dashorst wrote: This thread is the accompanying discussion thread for the ongoing vote on the same subject. Please use this discussion thread for voicing your opinion or asking questions. This makes counting the votes much easier. The discussion on our development list makes it clear that a lot of folks are anxious for generified models. Most users if not all wish us to release a quick release which is 1.3 + generics. The consequence is that the core team will stop to support 1.3, and that everybody that wishes updates will have to migrate to 1.4, and upgrade to Java 5. Why should we keep supporting 1.3 and JDK 1.4? Why only a generified release, and not a full release with more Java5 conversions? Martijn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Buy Wicket in Action: http://manning.com/dashorst Apache Wicket 1.3.2 is released Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3.2 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Release 1.4 with only generics and stop support for 1.3
Just curious what experiences people had with serialization and generics, never having played there myself... On Mar 17, 2008, at 4:13 AM, Martijn Dashorst wrote: This thread is the accompanying discussion thread for the ongoing vote on the same subject. Please use this discussion thread for voicing your opinion or asking questions. This makes counting the votes much easier. The discussion on our development list makes it clear that a lot of folks are anxious for generified models. Most users if not all wish us to release a quick release which is 1.3 + generics. The consequence is that the core team will stop to support 1.3, and that everybody that wishes updates will have to migrate to 1.4, and upgrade to Java 5. Why should we keep supporting 1.3 and JDK 1.4? Why only a generified release, and not a full release with more Java5 conversions? Martijn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Release 1.4 with only generics and stop support for 1.3
what do those 2 have to do with each other? On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 11:31 PM, Alex Jacoby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious what experiences people had with serialization and generics, never having played there myself... On Mar 17, 2008, at 4:13 AM, Martijn Dashorst wrote: This thread is the accompanying discussion thread for the ongoing vote on the same subject. Please use this discussion thread for voicing your opinion or asking questions. This makes counting the votes much easier. The discussion on our development list makes it clear that a lot of folks are anxious for generified models. Most users if not all wish us to release a quick release which is 1.3 + generics. The consequence is that the core team will stop to support 1.3, and that everybody that wishes updates will have to migrate to 1.4, and upgrade to Java 5. Why should we keep supporting 1.3 and JDK 1.4? Why only a generified release, and not a full release with more Java5 conversions? Martijn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Release 1.4 with only generics and stop support for 1.3
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Alex Jacoby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious what experiences people had with serialization and generics, never having played there myself... No particular issues; just works like it would work with non-generified code. Eelco - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
