Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU pattern matching
I've had to do what you did with the Windows policies. Unfortunately, Unix has much better pattern matching than Windows, so you are stuck with the way you mentioned. Includes and excludes are in the registry on Windows. You could still accomplish your goal by creating a .reg file to import your changes, but unless you are making a lot of these policies continuously, it's probably quicker just to manually create them. You can copy/paste the first entry and then edit that line each time, or use something like notepad or excel to create the file list and edit to your liking. Once that's done you can copy/paste each line into the policy. It's going to be a pain any way you look at it, but hopefully you aren't going to be changing things once they are setup. One recommendation I have is to create separate policies for each group of files instead of a single policy with multiple streams. If one of the streams fails, you or the monitoring admins have to restart the job which in turn starts all the streams. The streams that did not fail have to be manually killed creating false failures. Hope this helps, Rusty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 10:29 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] NBU pattern matching Hi all, NBU5.0mp3 on Solaris 9. I'm having a difficult time setting up a Policy using pattern matching so that I can chop up large file systems into multiple streams. Specifically, I am trying to use [a-zA-Z] pattern matching arguments against a Windows machine, but can't seem to make it work properly. I have been successful using C:\a*, C:\b*, etc..., but would prefer not to create 36 entries in the backup selections. Another I that I thought might work is to populate the Include list programmatically, via an LS or DIR? Does anyone know where that file resides on a Windows box? Thanks in advance, Bob ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] anyone would like to share or exchange?
While this is a really good tool, it is NOT freeware. If you want to license it from the company, go for it. Otherwise you're going to have to wait for the results from Symantec. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Ruslan Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:05 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] anyone would like to share or exchange? Dear masters... anyone had the apparentnet (www.apparentnetworks.com) XML translator result and kindly want to share? or maybe exchange with another tools maybe? usually, when using this apparentnet software to checking the network traffic, I have to give the result to Symantec support guy to translate the XML result, so we can investigate the result regarding netbackup connection issue. Since need some times to wait the result, so maybe anyone can share it? It's a great tools to check what happened in your network, which hop causing some problems, which NIC card had firmware problem, etc... hopefully there's a good people to share this.. ;) Kind Regard, Martin. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Poll: Windows Communications Buffer Size?
Justin, I believe the default is 32k. We try to get as many of our clients to 512k as possible. I don't have any definitive numbers for you other than "it's noticeably faster" and also that "switch cpu usage dropped noticeably". Our network is most certainly different than yours so YMMV. I would try upping a few of the ones you can test on and see what happens. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:39 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Poll: Windows Communications Buffer Size? The default is either 16 KiB or 32 KiB, I was wondering if anyone tested various sizes such as 64,128,256,512,1024 KiB and how that had an impact on performnace? I believe in the tuning doc they recommend you set it to 128 KiB.. Justin. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Slow media server after nbu 6.0mp4 upgrade
I assume you did the nbpushdata -modify_5x_hosts command? If you go into Devices>Media Servers, does it show all servers and the proper version? To me it sounds like you might have a name resolution problem. Things were probably working fine before, but I've found that NBU 6.x (6.5 for me) and pbx is even more picky about name resolution, especially reverse. Verify all that is working. BTW, why don't you upgrade the media servers to 6.0mp4 as well? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:23 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Slow media server after nbu 6.0mp4 upgrade Guys i have just upgraded my master server to nbu 6.0mp4 running on solaris 9. I have 3 media servers which are SSO and back themselves up. All connected via fibre to shared drives. Master server and 2 of the media servers backup fine and at good speeds but one media server now runs like a dog. < 2mb/sec Initially running a vmoprcmd on the master said that the problem media server was Not Avaiable under the drives where it lists the /dev/rmt devices. Now i have kicked jobs off that seems to be ok and it has found a link for it, but the speed is horrendous. Im new to 6 so has anyone got any ideas? I've ran the nbpushdata -add command so all the configuration seems to be ok and scanning for drives has all been ok too, apart from this media server not showing up next to the drives to start with. Media servers are all at 5.0mp7 and nothing has changed on any of them Cheers ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] 6.5 restoring legacy 5.1 NDMP backup issue?
Following up on my own finding, it appears that I can successfully restore from other 5.1 backup types (Windows, Standard), but NDMP still has the issue. I am not able to test if the 6.5 NDMP backups can successfully be restored until after the holiday. I'm still wondering if anyone else has run into this issue? Still waiting on a call back from support. -Rusty _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rusty R Major Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:30 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] 6.5 restoring legacy 5.1 NDMP backup issue? Has anyone that's upgraded to 6.5 from 5.1 (Specifically MP3AS2) run into an issue restoring NDMP backups? I have discovered that the status of the NDMP restore is successful, but it will not restore anything in a sub-directory unless each file/directory in the sub-directory(ies) is/are manually selected. I have not yet tried to restore an NDMP backup made under 6.5. No case yet with Veritas, but that will be opened tomorrow. Thanks, Rusty ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Upgrade 5.1 MP6 to 6.5
I also was a little confused by this, but as long as the NetBackup install itself is not clustered on any of the servers, then this does not apply to you. -Rusty _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clooney, David Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 10:47 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Upgrade 5.1 MP6 to 6.5 Hi All I am imminently upgrading a Solaris 8 master server from 5.1 MP6 to 6.5 in preparation for the rest of our environments I have been reading through all the documentation and there are a lot of references to clustered environments, now I am taking that the documentation id referring to the master server being clustered. Environment 1 X Master - Solaris 8 - standalone 2 X Media - windows 2003 - standalone 2 X Media - windows 2003 - Microsoft clustered. I have checked all vm.conf's across all and made sure there are no REQUIRED_INTERFACE or MM_SERVER_NAME entries of which there are none. Even though two of the media servers are clustered, can I proceed as normal as I am just upgrading the master server. If someone could clarify this for me it would be much appreciated Regards Dave _ Notice to recipient: The information in this internet e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended addressee please notify the sender immediately by telephone. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to external clients any opinions or advice contained in this internet e-mail are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in any applicable governing terms of business or client engagement letter issued by the pertinent Bank of America group entity. If this email originates from the U.K. please note that Bank of America, N.A., London Branch and Banc of America Securities Limited are authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. _ ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] 6.5 restoring legacy 5.1 NDMP backup issue?
Has anyone that's upgraded to 6.5 from 5.1 (Specifically MP3AS2) run into an issue restoring NDMP backups? I have discovered that the status of the NDMP restore is successful, but it will not restore anything in a sub-directory unless each file/directory in the sub-directory(ies) is/are manually selected. I have not yet tried to restore an NDMP backup made under 6.5. No case yet with Veritas, but that will be opened tomorrow. Thanks, Rusty ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] My First 6.5 Upgrade Experience
Upgraded my first environment over the last two days. For the most part, it was pretty painless, but there were a couple of issues we ran into. First, overview of the environment: Solaris Master 5.1MP3 2 Windows Media 5.1MP3 4 Windows SAN Media (2 were 5.1MP3 and 2 were 5.0GA) ADIC i2000 8 LTO3 drives I spent a couple weeks reading the Upgrade, Install, and Admin Guides and doing ALL of the various checks of all the systems. I HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend that for ANY 6.x upgrade that EVERY SINGLE STEP in the upgrade checklist be followed/investigated. The first issue I ran into was transferring many gigs of data to the servers as I am remote to the site. The next time I do this, I'm copying them and mailing them to the site before hand! NBCC was, surprisingly, pretty clean, so I didn't have to spend much time with that. I do like the improvements they have made in this area over the last couple of years. After that I had the support rep do a pre-upgrade WebEx session. At Symantec Forum, the Engineers talking about the upgrade actually recommend doing the WebEx, so if the engineer balks on it, continue to request it. In my WebEx, it actually turned out that I had missed two Media servers that were not at the required patch level. Don't know how I missed them, but I had to patch them before upgrading those two. I upgraded the Master and two Media Servers I manage directly without any issue. I was actually surprised at how quickly and easily it upgraded. Much to my chagrin, though, the next server I tried failed on nbpushdata -add because of communication problems. I did not understand this as 5.1 had worked just fine and I had performed all of the network communication verifications in the checklist. It turns out that PBX does additional communication and the Media server was not aware of the Master server's alias. This will be a problem for anyone who has multiple interfaces and subnets setup. Right now there is no way to verify how PBX communicates, so Engineering is looking into this and hopefully something will come out of it. After the upgrade, I noticed the max number of copies was reset to 2, which caused some problems with duplications. It also appears that it is trying to duplicate all images off of the DSSUs again. I haven't had much time to look into this, yet. Oh, there is also an issue where the Windows Java Client wants to cache data from every client in Host Properties. Anytime I clicked on that, it would lock up the java client. There is a fix to turn off this 'functionality', but I found it ridiculous that the Engineers would want to have the java client do this by default. Things I took away from this upgrade that I offer as advice to anyone doing an upgrade: -Run the NBCC check. -Perform ALL of the upgrade steps - they are there for a reason!! -Keep your case open with Veritas until the upgrade is done. -Run the NBCC check. -If you are not comfortable with the upgrade steps, hire a consultant with experience! -Run the NBCC check. -If you are not local, save yourself time and burn the media and send to the site. -Run the...well you get the idea. -Verify you have root/admin access to EVERY Master/Media server. -If you can, talk the support rep into a pre-upgrade WebEx session for a final go/no-go decision. Another pair of eyes is always goood. -Note all your failures before you begin the upgrade, that way you aren't troubleshooting something that was failing before the upgrade. This is one of the smaller environments I support and I'm glad I started with this one. Overall, the upgrade was pretty smooth. Once I got the Master and the two main media servers upgraded, I knew I was on the path out of the woods. Pretty much it boils down to RTFM. If you do that and follow instructions, you should be in pretty good shape. That's all, good luck to anyone else. Rusty Major, MCSE, BCFP Sr. Data Assurance Engineer (281) 584-4693 VeriCenter, Inc.___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] aptare forum?
You can split your portal and database servers. This will probably help with both pieces if you're having performance issues. I have asked Aptare about this and there are some users that have it in place, however we have not yet had a need to do that. I have almost that many clients, but not even close to that number of jobs/day. I'm running 6.0.24 and it handles what I have fine on all one Solaris 9 server. Rusty Major, MCSE, BCFP Sr. Data Assurance Engineer (281) 584-4693 VeriCenter, Inc. "Tharp, Trey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/07/2007 01:24 PM To cc Subject Re: [Veritas-bu] aptare forum? We have just over 6500 clients and 35,000 jobs per day and our database server is getting buried right now. We plan to upgrade it at the beginning of next year and hope that will help with the response times and slowness. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nardello, John Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:10 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] aptare forum? Since you've brought this to mind then, anyone want to reveal the largest number of clients they're reporting on through Aptare ? Just curious if some of our Aptare slowness is due to the several thousand clients we report on or something on our server. - John Nardello From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:01 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] aptare forum? Probably a good thing. It'd be like a convocation of iMac users, just a public love-in. ;-) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:13 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] aptare forum? On 11/6/07, X_S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: does anyone know of an aptare forum out there? i am a new user to aptare and it would be nice if there was a forum to discuss features, issues, reports, etc. This is it. There are a number of us who are Aptare users and are willing to help. Aptare also reads this mailing list but has yet to post to it. They have been known to respond privately to public postings although this list is not an official support channel for Aptare (obviously). .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Dilemma...need some info.
First, I'd say that you shouldn't judge a product just because it's made by one vendor or another. I'm sure your management team won't like it when you tell them you don't want to support it because "it's Microsoft". So, with that said, what's the extra cost of going to another product? You and/or other admins will have to learn the product and possibly go to training -what is this cost? Does this product support libraries and will it 'share' the library with NBU or another backup product? I have't heard of this product so I assume it's relatively new. Many on this list don't even trust GA releases of NBU versions and this product has been around for many years. I would really look at what the reasons are for moving off of the backup product and attack those. Just because it's too expensive isn't a good enough reason for me (but then I'm not a manager). If it's too expensive, try to negotiate with your reseller. Also try to explain to your manager that NBU may be pricey, but it does the job very well. Data protection (the act, not the product) is rarely taken seriously until there is a disaster. Play up the fact that you trust NBU, it's tried and true, and you can get data restored quicker. Also, what support does MS offer for this product? In my experience, when there are backup/restore problems, Veritas is pretty amenable to assisting until the problem is resolved. Will MS give you this kind of support when you need it most? Rusty Major, MCSE, BCFP Sr. Data Assurance Engineer (281) 584-4693 VeriCenter, Inc. "Cruice, Daniel \(US - Glen Mills\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/08/2007 10:59 AM To cc Subject [Veritas-bu] Dilemma...need some info. Well, I have a dilemma and need my fella NBU guys to provide me some ammo. My management is looking into alternative backup solutions. I am ok with looking at other vendors that specialize in one or two products…we are looking into CommVault and dare I say it…Microsoft’s Data Protection Manager. I saw a demo of DPM quite some time ago and almost instantly was not a fan. It is a total Microsoft support platform so it will work well with other MS applications. At the moment I cannot remember all of the down falls I thought it had but the few I can remember are: Won’t backup Oracle Won’t backup SAP Won’t backup ESX hosts And while I was in this demo, I drifted off since I really did not realize that management was seriously considering it. And as most Executive managers, they see the bottom line. Their main driving focus is the fact that since we pay so much for MOM and SMS, we would be getting DPM for free. GREAT! But my philosophy is you get what you paid for. So I reach out to all of you to help a guy out and start throwing me items that I can punch holes into DPM. I really, really do not want to support another Microsoft product. I beg all of you, please help me out. My environment is mostly MS servers, Oracle, SQL, VMware, SAP, Exchange, some UNIX. Thanks Dan Cruice Deloitte Technology Service Deloitte & Touche Tohmatsu Direct: +1 610-479-5179 Fax: +1 610-479-6179 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.deloitte.com This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] AVR on drive status
Also verify someone didn't leave robtest or some 3rd party verification tool running - I can't remember the name of the HP library diagnostics tool. Rusty Major, MCSE, BCFP Sr. Data Assurance Engineer (281) 584-4693 VeriCenter, Inc. "Paul Keating" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/01/2007 10:28 AM To "Cruice, Daniel (US - Glen Mills)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, cc Subject Re: [Veritas-bu] AVR on drive status The master (or whichever server is defined as "robotoic control host") cannot communicate with the robot. if the server that "owns" the AVR drives is the robotic control host, then there's probably a problem between the server and the robot (in your FC or SCSI connectivity, or a daemon.) if the drives are attached to a different server, ie, attached to a media server, adn the master is the robotic control host, then it could be a network connectivity issue between the 2 servers, or again a daemon. Paul -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cruice, Daniel (US - Glen Mills) Sent: November 1, 2007 11:20 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] AVR on drive status A totally Windows Environment, I came in this morning an found two bad LTO3 in my ESL712e Library, and all my drives under Activity Monitor à drives are list as AVR for the “Control”…what is this and how do I get rid of it? Thanks Dan Cruice This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. La version française suit le texte anglais. This email may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and the Bank of Canada does not waive any related rights. Any distribution, use, or copying of this email or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this email in error please delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by email that you have done so. Le présent courriel peut contenir de l'information privilégiée ou confidentielle. La Banque du Canada ne renonce pas aux droits qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le ou les destinataires désignés est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez le supprimer immédiatement et envoyer sans délai à l'expéditeur un message électronique pour l'aviser que vous avez éliminé de votre ordinateur toute copie du courriel reçu. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] How to calculate following ?
Actually, all of the requests are possible with the native NetBackup commands, with the one requirement that all the images are still active. Once the images expire, that data is purged from the NBU catalogs. You cannot do SQL queries against the database (at least not prior to 6.x). So, as Ed said, you either have to grab this data yourself, or look into a reporting/trending/historical analysis package. Some that come to mind are (in no particular order): NOM (Symantec freebie) VBR (Symantec add on) Aptare/HBSM (3rd party) Boccada (3rd party) Wysdm (3rd party) etc. Rusty Major, MCSE, BCFP Sr. Data Assurance Engineer (281) 584-4693 VeriCenter, Inc. "Martin, Jonathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/01/2007 02:03 PM To <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject Re: [Veritas-bu] How to calculate following ? I wish. -Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] How to calculate following ? I am TSM guy. In tsm there are numerous tables so u can run sql select statement and get various kind of out put. Can we run query against catalog and get report ? THX From: Ed Wilts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:30 PM To: Maurya, Anil PH/US/EXT Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] How to calculate following ? Unless you have a reporting package in place or want to the keep the job history for a long time, NetBackup won't do this out of the box, except perhaps for #2 - if you mean an active job, then the activity monitor will give you the info. Look at one of the many add-on reporting packages, from the free NOM to the many commercial alternatives. You can check the list archives for opinions on the various choices. #3 can be done with some scripts and they've been posted on the list too. On 11/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Here my question in NBU 6.5 ? 1). How to calculate how much data backed up last month ? 2). How much data backed up by a client so far ? 3). How much data backed up in last 24 hours ? -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu