Re: Asante Ethernet card

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From: "Marco van de Voort" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Asante Ethernet card


> > My Reply follows quote. On 21/10/2004 15:16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> >
> > >to transfer over from my PC via PC exchange.
> > >
> > My guess is that you have a 10/100 Autosensing router. Asante cards
> > are notorious for not working well with autosensing switches and
> > routers. I have gotten around this problem by sticking a "dumb
> > hub" in the network between Asante cards and autosensing devices.
>
> Is it possible to explicitely set media type? I have some cards in my
pmacs
> with the same problem (dec cards), and that can be solved by telling linux
> to use a certain media type.
>
Are the 10/100 card full duplex?



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Re: Asante Ethernet card

[Marco van de Voort]

> My Reply follows quote. On 21/10/2004 15:16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:  
> 
> >to transfer over from my PC via PC exchange.
> >
> My guess is that you have a 10/100 Autosensing router. Asante cards
> are notorious for not working well with autosensing switches and
> routers. I have gotten around this problem by sticking a "dumb
> hub" in the network between Asante cards and autosensing devices.

Is it possible to explicitely set media type? I have some cards in my pmacs
with the same problem (dec cards), and that can be solved by telling linux
to use a certain media type.
 

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Re: Asante Ethernet card

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Thomas Burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a question about an Asante Ethernet card in a
> Mac IIci
> I installed it and there's a green blinking light on
> the back. It's hooked 
> up to my Lynksys router, but on the router the
> lights are not on showing a computer is connected.

Sure you have a regular cable and not a crossover
cable?

Most hubs/routers/switches have an uplink or cascade
port which is made so that it's crossed over
internally
so you can plug a standard cable from it to any
regular port on another hub etc. _Some_ of those
ports will work as a normal port to a computer if you
plug a crossover cable in. Some have a switch for that
port so either type of cable will work.

Many of the newest switches/routers have auto sensing
ports that'll work with either standard or crossover
cables.

If it's the AsanteFast 10/100 NuBus NIC you can try
downloading the drivers from Asante. Most other
Asante NICs work with Apple's drivers in System 7.1
and up. (Or is it 7.5 and up?)

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Re: Asante Ethernet card

[Ken]

My Reply follows quote. On 21/10/2004 15:16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:  

>I have a question about an Asante Ethernet card in a Mac IIci
>I installed it and there's a green blinking light on the back. It's hooked 
>up to my Lynksys router, but on the router the lights are not on showing a 
>computer is connected.
>
>Do I need drivers for this card? I'm in the pickle of not being able to get 
>on the internet with the Mac IIci to get anything for it and nothing seems 
>to transfer over from my PC via PC exchange.
>
>Thanks
>
>Thomas 
-
My guess is that you have a 10/100 Autosensing router. Asante cards
are notorious for not working well with autosensing switches and
routers. I have gotten around this problem by sticking a "dumb
hub" in the network between Asante cards and autosensing devices.

You probably do need drivers for this card, but you can get them
from the Asante website. Some of the best support on the web, in
my opinion.

Ken

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Asante Ethernet card

[Thomas Burns]

I have a question about an Asante Ethernet card in a Mac IIci
I installed it and there's a green blinking light on the back. It's hooked 
up to my Lynksys router, but on the router the lights are not on showing a 
computer is connected.

Do I need drivers for this card? I'm in the pickle of not being able to get 
on the internet with the Mac IIci to get anything for it and nothing seems 
to transfer over from my PC via PC exchange.

Thanks
Thomas 

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Re: IIci and Asante Ethernet Card

[Ray Bearfield]

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
Can I run a line
>> from that card directly
>> to the router, or do I need to install a hub?
> 
> on 2/11/03 6:49 AM, Gregg Eshelman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> To make certain, post here the make and model of your
> router and I or someone will look it up on the net
> to see what it can do with connecting other hubs etc.
> 

Router is SMC Barricade SMC7004VWBR. FYI, an RJ45 ethernet cable from the
router to a RJ45/AAUI transceiver provides flawless internet connectivity
with a 6100. I'm going to re-install the 7>0 SO on the ci before checking
the connections again.




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Re: IIci and Asante Ethernet card

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Ray Bearfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I see a number of Asante hubs on eBay that look like
> they could be had for
> anywhere from $6 up to $20 (including shipping
> charges).
> 
> Am I correct in assuming that a hub like the Asante
> FH10T8, which is not a
> 10/100 sensing hub, would work? Or is the number of
> ports an issue?

Number of ports is not an issue unless you have enough
computers plugged in and downloading or transferring
so many files it saturates the available bandwidth.
All data incoming to a hub on any port is "broadcast"
to all the other ports. It's up to the "client" to
sift through the datastream and pick out which packets
are meant for it.

Switches direct the incoming data packets to the one
port where the computer they're assigned to is
connected. There is much less traffic on the network
when switches are used and overall speed is better
than hubs when there are several computers
transferring
data at the same time. Doesn't mean that packets don't
get dropped or misdirected or collide, just happens a
whole lot less than with hubs.

Hubs are half duplex, like the majority of NuBus and
LC ethernet cards. Putting the 10 megabit hub in
between the IIci and the fancy router will ensure that
port detects that what's plugged in is 10 megabit,
half duplex.

Some of the Asante cards that predate the 100 megabit
standard do not properly identify their capabilities
so many 10/100 hubs etc try to establish a 100meg,
full duplex connection by default.

Check your router's documentation to see if the
ethernet ports can be manually set individually.
Some 10/100 switches and routers have problems with
some 100meg devices hogging bandwidth when the ports
are set to automatic detection.

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Re: IIci and Asante Ethernet Card

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Ray Bearfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My next goal is to add a IIci running 7.0 Updated. I
> have installed an
> Asante MC3NB Nubus Ethernet card. Can I run a line
> from that card directly
> to the router, or do I need to install a hub?

Try it direct and if it doesn't work with all the
settings correct, stick a 10 megabit hub between the
IIci and the router, or a 10/100 managed switch or
hub that can have the ports' speed and duplex settings
manually set individually. 4 or 5 port, half duplex,
10
megabit hubs are quite cheap, even brand new.

Make sure you aren't using a crossover cable when
connecting direct to your router. :)

How many ports does your router have? Is one labled
cascade, uplink or something different from the
others? If there is, connect a normal ethernet
cable between that port and any normal port on the
hub. If the router doesn't have the different port,
connect the hub to any port on the router using a
crossover cable.

To make certain, post here the make and model of your
router and I or someone will look it up on the net
to see what it can do with connecting other hubs etc.

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Re: IIci and Asante Ethernet Card

[the pickle]

At 13:37 -0500 on 10/02/03, Steve Cunningham wrote:

>connection? I have heard of a lot of problems between Macs and DSL modems
>based on the fact that they use a PPP protocol rather than a simple
>ethernet connection. If that is the case, the problem may not be the

The PPPoE can't be (well) handled by a 68K Mac, so direct connections don't
normally work well.  Basically, if you avoid Asanté cards, you should be OK,
and if you use a hub between the card and the router, that should also work.
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Re: IIci and Asante Ethernet Card

[Steve Cunningham]

Can you connect directly from the IIci to the DSL modem and establish a 
connection? I have heard of a lot of problems between Macs and DSL modems 
based on the fact that they use a PPP protocol rather than a simple 
ethernet connection. If that is the case, the problem may not be the 
Asante card or the hub.

Just a thought.

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Re: IIci and Asante Ethernet card

[KADaggett]

My Reply follows quote. On 10/02/2003 07:33 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:  

>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray Bearfield)
>Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>I see a number of Asante hubs on eBay that look like they could be had for
>anywhere from $6 up to $20 (including shipping charges).
>
>Am I correct in assuming that a hub like the Asante FH10T8, which is not a
>10/100 sensing hub, would work? Or is the number of ports an issue?
>
>I'm wary because the earlier posting called for an "older" hub, and the 10T8
>shows up on Asante's website and is available as a current item for sale.

As long as the FH10T8 is only 10BaseT, it should work. By "older" I meant 
"non-autosensing" 10/100 types.

Ken

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IIci and Asante Ethernet card

[Ray Bearfield]

I see a number of Asante hubs on eBay that look like they could be had for
anywhere from $6 up to $20 (including shipping charges).

Am I correct in assuming that a hub like the Asante FH10T8, which is not a
10/100 sensing hub, would work? Or is the number of ports an issue?

I'm wary because the earlier posting called for an "older" hub, and the 10T8
shows up on Asante's website and is available as a current item for sale.




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Re: IIci and Asante Ethernet Card

[KADaggett]

My Reply follows quote. On 09/02/2003 22:36 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:  

>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Samuel Davies)
>> It is possible that you have experienced the oft stated problem that
>> Asante cards (at least the earlier ones) do not work will with "auto
>> sensing" switches or routers. I have some that will only work if there 
>> is
>> a "plain ol' hub" between the card and the router/switch.
>>
>> Ken
>
>I have a hub in-between them.  What differentiates a "plain-old" hub 
>from a hub?  Is there something special to look out for?
>
>My network goes like this:
>
>DSL Modem -> DSL Router (DHCP) -> Hub -> Asante Card -> IIci
>
>Sam

I was referring to a "plain 'ol hub" as a 10bT hub as opposed to one of 
the 4-port, autosensing switches, without the built in router. They look 
similiar, but Asante cards often have problems with the "autosensing" 
feature of the 10/100 switches. They can't "negotiate" the speed.

Ken

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Re: IIci and Asante Ethernet Card

[Ray Bearfield]

on 2/10/03 6:35 AM, Samuel Davies at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> My network goes like this:
> 
> DSL Modem -> DSL Router (DHCP) -> Hub -> Asante Card -> IIci
> 
> Sam
> 

I am in the process of setting up a network myself. At present I have a
cable modem connected to a SMC Barricade wireless router. An Ethernet cable
connects that to a Power Tower Pro running 8.6, and that works fine. A USB
card on a Windows XP machine also works fine for internet sharing, although
I haven't attempted any file sharing between those two platforms.

My next goal is to add a IIci running 7.0 Updated. I have installed an
Asante MC3NB Nubus Ethernet card. Can I run a line from that card directly
to the router, or do I need to install a hub?

If so, what would you recommend?

Thanks for your response.


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Re: IIci and Asante Ethernet Card

[Marten van de Kraats]

To avoid those auto sensing problems, one needs to put a relatively 
old 10 mbit hub between the computer with the IIci and the 
router/switch. With a modern 100 mbit hub the problem won't go away.

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Re: IIci and Asante Ethernet Card

[RonMiller558]

Is this setup really designed to hand out IP address's, or should you be 
using a static address?

Ron

In a message dated 2/9/03 11:10:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Hello list,

I posted awhile back with the same problem but I have yet to resolve it:

I have a Mac IIci with a MacCon nubus ethernet card from Asante.  It 
also has a Radius card in one of the other Nubus slots.  The machine is 
running 7.5.5 and I installed the open transport I downloaded from 
Apple's site.  My network is set-up to have my DSL shared through a 
router doing DHCP.

I plug one end of the ethernet cable into the router port and the other 
to an intake of an ethernet hub.  I then connect the asante card to the 
hub.  The indicator light on the asante card is a solid green, which 
should mean that I am connecting (I think).  I have the TCP/IP control 
panel set to DHCP, but it never receives an IP address.

What do you all think?  I'm hoping your expert guidance can help me 
through my ignorance of the older systems.

-What are the minimum extensions that would be needed for this set-up 
to work?  Is there an Asante driver I need from somewhere I haven't 
looked yet (I downloaded the one from their site, but it didn't look 
like it installed anything).

I am desperate for help and would appreciate any insights.  If you have 
any more questions or need more specifics, feel free to e-mail me.

Thanks,

Sam Davies
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Re: IIci and Asante Ethernet Card

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Samuel Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello list,
> 
> I posted awhile back with the same problem but I
> have yet to resolve it:
> 
> I have a Mac IIci with a MacCon nubus ethernet card
> from Asante.  It 
> also has a Radius card in one of the other Nubus
> slots.  The machine is 
> running 7.5.5 and I installed the open transport I
> downloaded from Apple's site.

Did you install Open Transport 1.1.1 _then_ 1.1.2?
You must install 1.1.1 first. 1.1.2 is only an update
even though it will install without 1.1.1 already
installed.

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Re: IIci and Asante Ethernet Card

[Samuel Davies]

> It is possible that you have experienced the oft stated problem that
> Asante cards (at least the earlier ones) do not work will with "auto
> sensing" switches or routers. I have some that will only work if there 
> is
> a "plain ol' hub" between the card and the router/switch.
>
> Ken

I have a hub in-between them.  What differentiates a "plain-old" hub 
from a hub?  Is there something special to look out for?

My network goes like this:

DSL Modem -> DSL Router (DHCP) -> Hub -> Asante Card -> IIci

Sam


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Re: IIci and Asante Ethernet Card

[KADaggett]

My Reply follows quote. On 09/02/2003 20:10 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:  

>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Samuel Davies)
>Hello list,
>
>I posted awhile back with the same problem but I have yet to resolve it:
>
>I have a Mac IIci with a MacCon nubus ethernet card from Asante.  It 
>also has a Radius card in one of the other Nubus slots.  The machine is 
>running 7.5.5 and I installed the open transport I downloaded from 
>Apple's site.  My network is set-up to have my DSL shared through a 
>router doing DHCP.
>
>I plug one end of the ethernet cable into the router port and the other 
>to an intake of an ethernet hub.  I then connect the asante card to the 
>hub.  The indicator light on the asante card is a solid green, which 
>should mean that I am connecting (I think).  I have the TCP/IP control 
>panel set to DHCP, but it never receives an IP address.
>
>What do you all think?  I'm hoping your expert guidance can help me 
>through my ignorance of the older systems.
>
>-What are the minimum extensions that would be needed for this set-up 
>to work?  Is there an Asante driver I need from somewhere I haven't 
>looked yet (I downloaded the one from their site, but it didn't look 
>like it installed anything).
>
>I am desperate for help and would appreciate any insights.  If you have 
>any more questions or need more specifics, feel free to e-mail me.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Sam Davies
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It is possible that you have experienced the oft stated problem that 
Asante cards (at least the earlier ones) do not work will with "auto 
sensing" switches or routers. I have some that will only work if there is 
a "plain ol' hub" between the card and the router/switch.

Ken

Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without.


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IIci and Asante Ethernet Card

[Samuel Davies]

Hello list,

I posted awhile back with the same problem but I have yet to resolve it:

I have a Mac IIci with a MacCon nubus ethernet card from Asante.  It 
also has a Radius card in one of the other Nubus slots.  The machine is 
running 7.5.5 and I installed the open transport I downloaded from 
Apple's site.  My network is set-up to have my DSL shared through a 
router doing DHCP.

I plug one end of the ethernet cable into the router port and the other 
to an intake of an ethernet hub.  I then connect the asante card to the 
hub.  The indicator light on the asante card is a solid green, which 
should mean that I am connecting (I think).  I have the TCP/IP control 
panel set to DHCP, but it never receives an IP address.

What do you all think?  I'm hoping your expert guidance can help me 
through my ignorance of the older systems.

-What are the minimum extensions that would be needed for this set-up 
to work?  Is there an Asante driver I need from somewhere I haven't 
looked yet (I downloaded the one from their site, but it didn't look 
like it installed anything).

I am desperate for help and would appreciate any insights.  If you have 
any more questions or need more specifics, feel free to e-mail me.

Thanks,

Sam Davies
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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