RE: Where is the setting so app updates Will download an update on their own

[Simon A Fogarty]

And why is that an issue?

If you were to just stay with the same OS and apps all the time without 
updating 
You'd go no where quickly,
Infact it wouldn't take long for your apps to stop working on the older os 
version you run.

Without the trialing of new apps or new os you'll go backwards quickly.

No adventure 
To me equals a very shelterd and boring life.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Monday, 21 December 2020 9:54 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Where is the setting so app updates Will download an update on 
their own

People should think about this carefully.  If an update breaks you have no way 
to go back to the previous version.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna 
Dresner
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 11:24 AM
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Subject: Re: Where is the setting so app updates Will download an update on 
their own

Hi Jen,


It's in App Store Settings.

Best,
Anna


> On Dec 20, 2020, at 10:18 AM, Jen .  wrote:
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> Hi what setting do I have to turn on or change so that my app updates will 
> install on their own when there are updates available.
> Jen
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Ipad mini latest gen case

[Vicki W.]

Hi,

Does anyone have the SEYMAC stock Case for iPad Mini 4/5, Full-Body Shock-Proof 
Case with 360 Degrees Rotating Stand Pencil Holder Screen Protector Hand Strap 
for iPad Mini for the IPad Mini latest gen? I assume that to place the IPad in 
the case, you just loosen the corner, but it's very difficult and I don't want 
to break something.

Does anyone know how to separate the front from the back on this particular 
model, the front having the built-in screen protector? 

Thanks.

Vicki

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Re: Iphone and voice control

[doug parisian]

Not sure I agree that voice recognition can be made to work perfectly 
with VoiceOver without headphones.  I think that, in order to be certain 
of no conflicts between voice control and VoiceOver, Voice Control will 
need to recognize and filter out any spoken information given by 
voiceover regardless of which voice the user selects.  I love using 
voice control when wearing some type of head set.


On 2020-12-20 2:13 p.m., Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

You definitely get better results if you wear headphones, in my opinion Voice 
Control which is primarily designed for people who can't control their phone 
due to physical reasons but who can see the screen is amazing, but it's not 
quite ready for prime time for visually impaired users who rely on Voiceover. 
Whether it will ever be is hard to say, one should never say never, but I found 
it is way too much trouble to be worth it for me.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Edward 
Przybylek
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 11:25 AM
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Subject: RE: Iphone and voice control

Hi,

Can Voice Control and VoiceOver be used at the same time or does one need to 
wear headphones to do this?  Thank you.

Take care,
Ed Przybylek


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Joseph Hudson
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 11:26 PM
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Subject: Re: Iphone and voice control

You can do just about anything because with voice control, left right and 
double tap. Turn it on and try it for yourself. I don't know if you can tell 
it's a triple tap


On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:09 AM, Ketan Kothari  wrote:

Hi friends,

I wish to know as to what all can we do using voice control function
of our Iphone?  Can I operate apps?  Can I try booking an Uber ride?
The work with Siri is not upto the mark.  I will appreciate some help.

With best wishes,

Ketan

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Re: Restoring from backup

[Anna Dresner]

Hi alex,

First, check your final page of apps to see if apps are still being downloaded. 
If it seems like all of your apps are there, try restarting your phone, and 
then try updating again.

HTH,
Anna



> On Dec 20, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
> 
> I had to have my phone replaced last week due to a fault. I’ve restored from 
> a backup, which as far as I can tell has completed successfully. However now 
> I want to upgrade to the latest iOS. When I try to do this, I’m told the 
> restore from backup hasn’t completed. Is there anything I can do about this, 
> or do I have to start from scratch again?
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RE: Adding to VoiceDreamReader From Bookshare?

[Richard Turner]

If you changed it for Bookshare, you only need to change it in Voice Dream 
Reader.
Open Voice Dream Reader.
At the bottom right, open Settings.
Select Content Sources.
ON Bookshare, double tap on settings, and update your account information with 
the new password.
That should solve it.



Richard, in the U.S.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 11:31 AM
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Subject: Adding to VoiceDreamReader From Bookshare?

Hi, list.
I get an error message from Bookshare when I try to add a title to Voice Dream 
Reader from within Voice Dream Reader.
One of the reason for this is probably that I had changed my password in 
Bookshare.
What should I tell Bookshare in order to make it realize that I have changed my 
password and I am a genuine subscriber
Thanks!
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RE: Where is the setting so app updates Will download an update on their own

[Dennis Long]

People should think about this carefully.  If an update breaks you have no way 
to go back to the previous version.

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Dresner
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 11:24 AM
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their own

Hi Jen,


It's in App Store Settings.

Best,
Anna


> On Dec 20, 2020, at 10:18 AM, Jen .  wrote:
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> Hi what setting do I have to turn on or change so that my app updates will 
> install on their own when there are updates available.
> Jen
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RE: Described images

[Dennis Long]

I will.  Apple keeps inventing new features  Google sadly doesn’t.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 11:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Described immages

 

I may be wrong, but I think some of the features under Voiceover Recognition 
are not available on the iPhone 8.

For those who have newer phones, definitely iPhone 11 which is what I have and 
possibly iPhone XR, you can turn image and screen recognition on or off in 
Voiceover Settings under Voiceover Recognition. If you turn it on you then get 
a list of all your apps where you can turn it on or off and you can, of course, 
add it to the rotor.

I use a VoIP phone app called 3CX which is set up to work with my business 
telephone system. This app was completely inaccessible on my old iPhone 8 and 
also on newer phones with screen recognition turned off. However, with screen 
recognition turned on the app becomes almost completely accessible, not 
perfect, but I can access recent calls, the keypad, settings and other areas. I 
therefore turned on Screen Recognition in Voiceover Settings > Voiceover 
Recognition, but then I went through my list of apps and turned it off for all 
apps except for 3CX, this way whenever I open 3CX it is on and for other apps I 
can turn it as well as image recognition on using the rotor if I want it. It's 
a fantastic new feature of iOS 14.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Debbie Downey
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Described immages

 

That is what I’m wondering about; I can’t find image recognition in voice 
recognition under voiceover;  that is why I think that maybe this is available 
in a newer iPhone than I have.   

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mike 
B
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Described immages

 

I just tested this out and apparently if you turn on Image Description in 
Voiceover Recognition this will turn it on for all apps.  The Describe Images 
option on the rotor controls its function per individual application.  If I'm 
wrong someone please correct me.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: Malcolm Parfitt   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 2:25 AM

Subject: Re: Described immages

 

If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition you 
will find it there. 

 

Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override the 
setting here?

Malcolm Parfitt

 

On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Debbie,

 

I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning this 
on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do this is 
to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you highlight 
it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: Debbie Downey   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM

Subject: Described immages

 

Hi,

I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, isn’t 
there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find it. Is 
that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just missing 
something which is highly likely?

Thanks!

Debbie

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Re: Iphone and voice control

[Joseph Hudson]

Hello, I tried in a while back on my iPhone SE and I had no problem. Without 
headphones or with voiceover using voice control. Maybe one day when you're not 
busy working, I can help you gain confidence. If it is something that you're 
wondering about learning.

> On Dec 20, 2020, at 2:13 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> You definitely get better results if you wear headphones, in my opinion Voice 
> Control which is primarily designed for people who can't control their phone 
> due to physical reasons but who can see the screen is amazing, but it's not 
> quite ready for prime time for visually impaired users who rely on Voiceover. 
> Whether it will ever be is hard to say, one should never say never, but I 
> found it is way too much trouble to be worth it for me.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Edward 
> Przybylek
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 11:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Iphone and voice control
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Can Voice Control and VoiceOver be used at the same time or does one need to 
> wear headphones to do this?  Thank you.
> 
> Take care,
> Ed Przybylek
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Joseph Hudson
> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 11:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Iphone and voice control
> 
> You can do just about anything because with voice control, left right and 
> double tap. Turn it on and try it for yourself. I don't know if you can tell 
> it's a triple tap
> 
>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:09 AM, Ketan Kothari  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi friends,
>> 
>> I wish to know as to what all can we do using voice control function 
>> of our Iphone?  Can I operate apps?  Can I try booking an Uber ride?
>> The work with Siri is not upto the mark.  I will appreciate some help.
>> 
>> With best wishes,
>> 
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RE: Described immages

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I think described images is a feature on older phones, but screen recognition 
is not and if I remember correctly there is no Voiceover Recognition section on 
phones like the iPhone 8, the describe images is somewhere else.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Malcolm 
Parfitt
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Described immages

If Describe Images was not a feature supported by your phone then you would not 
expect it to be available under the Rotor too?

Do you have Screen Recognition available in your Rotor as well?

Confusing!
Malcolm Parfitt


On 20 Dec 2020, at 17:19, Debbie Downey  wrote:

I should say that I found described images under roter not image recognition.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debbie 
Downey
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Described immages

I think that Sieghard may be right; I don’t even have voice recognition under 
voiceover settings on my iPhone 8 but I did turn image
recognition off under the roter and then do it for each app that I encounter 
where I don’t wish to have that information conveyed.

Thanks for everyone’s help on this!

Debbie

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Described immages

Hi Debbie,

On my old SE 1st generation phone if you go to Settings / Accessibility / 
Voiceover / Rotor and open Rotor, now swipe all the way through, Describe 
Images,  and Reorder Describe Images, are the last 2 options.
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
- Original Message -
From: Debbie Downey
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: Described immages

That is what I’m wondering about; I can’t find image recognition in voice 
recognition under voiceover;  that is why I think that maybe this is available 
in a newer iPhone than I have.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Described immages

I just tested this out and apparently if you turn on Image Description in 
Voiceover Recognition this will turn it on for all apps.  The Describe Images 
option on the rotor controls its function per individual application.  If I'm 
wrong someone please correct me.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
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From: Malcolm Parfitt
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: Described immages

If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition you 
will find it there.

Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override the 
setting here?
Malcolm Parfitt

On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B 
mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Debbie,

I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning this 
on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do this is 
to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you highlight 
it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
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From: Debbie Downey
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM
Subject: Described immages

Hi,
I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, isn’t 
there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find it. Is 
that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just missing 
something which is highly likely?
Thanks!
Debbie
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RE: Iphone and voice control

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You definitely get better results if you wear headphones, in my opinion Voice 
Control which is primarily designed for people who can't control their phone 
due to physical reasons but who can see the screen is amazing, but it's not 
quite ready for prime time for visually impaired users who rely on Voiceover. 
Whether it will ever be is hard to say, one should never say never, but I found 
it is way too much trouble to be worth it for me.

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Subject: RE: Iphone and voice control

Hi,

Can Voice Control and VoiceOver be used at the same time or does one need to 
wear headphones to do this?  Thank you.

Take care,
Ed Przybylek


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joseph Hudson
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 11:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Iphone and voice control

You can do just about anything because with voice control, left right and 
double tap. Turn it on and try it for yourself. I don't know if you can tell 
it's a triple tap

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:09 AM, Ketan Kothari  wrote:
> 
> Hi friends,
> 
> I wish to know as to what all can we do using voice control function 
> of our Iphone?  Can I operate apps?  Can I try booking an Uber ride?
> The work with Siri is not upto the mark.  I will appreciate some help.
> 
> With best wishes,
> 
> Ketan
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Re: Can’t get Back to Watch Face After Updating

[Feliciano Godoy]

If you updated to watchOS 7.2 on your Apple Watch,. close the whats  new 
screen, swipe up with two fingers and locate the OK button and done.


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> On Dec 20, 2020, at 10:27 AM, rick.alf...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Same thing here with the same solution with my wife. Actually, rebooting the 
> watch did not remedy it. In fact, I actually went through the process of 
> unpairing and re-pairing my watch which didn't fix it either.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Warmest regards
> 
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 11:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Can’t get Back to Watch Face After Updating 
> 
> Same happened for me, I turned off Voiceover and my wife was able to tap the 
> OK button. I assume you could probably power off your watch and then turn it 
> back on and this would also resolve it.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ron 
> Pelletier
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:07 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Can’t get Back to Watch Face After Updating 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I had the same problem. It definitely is a bug. You should be able to flick 
> right to the OK button but you can't. I called Apple care and spent 2 hours 
> on the phone trying to figure it out and couldn't do it either. After all 
> this, I found it myself by trial and error. 
> I reported it to Apple but, if I'm the only one, it won't get fixed. I urge 
> everyone who has had that problem to call and report it so they can fix it.
> 
> Ron & Danvers
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joney 
> Owen
> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 11:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can’t get Back to Watch Face After Updating 
> 
> I have messed with this thing all day long. Then save a reset. Then save a 
> hard reset. End it was this easy. Definitely should’ve looked here first. 
> Thanks for the info. :-) First time I’ve ever had a problem with an update 
> with the watch.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
>> 
>> Good instructions. Just wish I’d had them before updating. Next time I’ll 
>> check my email before updating anything to see if there’s anything different.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Dec 15, 2020, at 7:09 PM, blindfait...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had this issue as well and it appears that the solution is to do a 2 
>>> finger swipe up on your watch. You may have to do it several times to get 
>>> it to work. Once you hear Voice Over say something like first row simply 
>>> flick right and you should land on an ok button which when you double tap 
>>> on it will dismiss the what's new screen.
>>> 
>>> I hope that his helps.
>>> 
>>> Scott
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Re: Restoring from backup

[Mickey Quenzer]

I would suggest based on my experiences that you use iTunes and windows and 
make a encrypted backup.
Then when you install when you restore you Will end up with a message at on 
your iPhone that says swipe up to upgrade.


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Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 1:38:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Restoring from backup

I had to have my phone replaced last week due to a fault. I’ve restored from a 
backup, which as far as I can tell has completed successfully. However now I 
want to upgrade to the latest iOS. When I try to do this, I’m told the restore 
from backup hasn’t completed. Is there anything I can do about this, or do I 
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Re: Described immages

[Andy Baracco]

This was the case for me.  Turning it off didn't really turn it off, and i had 
to add it to the roter and then take it out of the roter for each app. What a 
pain in the butt!

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Malcolm Parfitt 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:44 AM
  Subject: Re: Described immages


  I understand exactly what you’re saying.  However, some people have commented 
here that even though Describe Images is turned off under VoiceOver Recognition 
the night sky issue was not resolved until it was turned off in the Rotor.  
This may be a bug of course which lead me to question the relation to the 
options for enabling and disabling this feature.


  Malcolm Parfitt


On 20 Dec 2020, at 16:38, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


 
I may be wrong, but I think some of the features under Voiceover 
Recognition are not available on the iPhone 8.

For those who have newer phones, definitely iPhone 11 which is what I have 
and possibly iPhone XR, you can turn image and screen recognition on or off in 
Voiceover Settings under Voiceover Recognition. If you turn it on you then get 
a list of all your apps where you can turn it on or off and you can, of course, 
add it to the rotor.

I use a VoIP phone app called 3CX which is set up to work with my business 
telephone system. This app was completely inaccessible on my old iPhone 8 and 
also on newer phones with screen recognition turned off. However, with screen 
recognition turned on the app becomes almost completely accessible, not 
perfect, but I can access recent calls, the keypad, settings and other areas. I 
therefore turned on Screen Recognition in Voiceover Settings > Voiceover 
Recognition, but then I went through my list of apps and turned it off for all 
apps except for 3CX, this way whenever I open 3CX it is on and for other apps I 
can turn it as well as image recognition on using the rotor if I want it. It's 
a fantastic new feature of iOS 14.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Debbie Downey
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Described immages



That is what I’m wondering about; I can’t find image recognition in voice 
recognition under voiceover;  that is why I think that maybe this is available 
in a newer iPhone than I have.   



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
B
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Described immages



I just tested this out and apparently if you turn on Image Description in 
Voiceover Recognition this will turn it on for all apps.  The Describe Images 
option on the rotor controls its function per individual application.  If I'm 
wrong someone please correct me.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: Malcolm Parfitt 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 2:25 AM

Subject: Re: Described immages



If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition 
you will find it there. 



Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override 
the setting here?

Malcolm Parfitt



  On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B  wrote:

   

  Hi Debbie,



  I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning 
this on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do 
this is to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you 
highlight it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.


  Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

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  From: Debbie Downey 

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM

  Subject: Described immages



  Hi,

  I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, 
isn’t there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find 
it. Is that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just 
missing something which is highly likely?

  Thanks!

  Debbie

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Restoring from backup

[Alex Stone]

I had to have my phone replaced last week due to a fault. I’ve restored from a 
backup, which as far as I can tell has completed successfully. However now I 
want to upgrade to the latest iOS. When I try to do this, I’m told the restore 
from backup hasn’t completed. Is there anything I can do about this, or do I 
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Adding to VoiceDreamReader From Bookshare?

[Fazil]

Hi, list.

I get an error message from Bookshare when I try to add a title to Voice
Dream Reader from within Voice Dream Reader.

One of the reason for this is probably that I had changed my password in
Bookshare.

What should I tell Bookshare in order to make it realize that I have changed
my password and I am a genuine subscriber

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RE: Iphone and voice control

[Edward Przybylek]

Hi,

Can Voice Control and VoiceOver be used at the same time or does one need to 
wear headphones to do this?  Thank you.

Take care,
Ed Przybylek


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Subject: Re: Iphone and voice control

You can do just about anything because with voice control, left right and 
double tap. Turn it on and try it for yourself. I don't know if you can tell 
it's a triple tap

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RE: Can’t get Back to Watch Face After Updating

[rick.alfaro]

Same thing here with the same solution with my wife. Actually, rebooting the 
watch did not remedy it. In fact, I actually went through the process of 
unpairing and re-pairing my watch which didn't fix it either.





Warmest regards

Rick Alfaro

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Weitzel
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Subject: RE: Can’t get Back to Watch Face After Updating 

Same happened for me, I turned off Voiceover and my wife was able to tap the OK 
button. I assume you could probably power off your watch and then turn it back 
on and this would also resolve it.


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Can’t get Back to Watch Face After Updating 

Hi all,

I had the same problem. It definitely is a bug. You should be able to flick 
right to the OK button but you can't. I called Apple care and spent 2 hours on 
the phone trying to figure it out and couldn't do it either. After all this, I 
found it myself by trial and error. 
I reported it to Apple but, if I'm the only one, it won't get fixed. I urge 
everyone who has had that problem to call and report it so they can fix it.

Ron & Danvers


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Owen
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can’t get Back to Watch Face After Updating 

I have messed with this thing all day long. Then save a reset. Then save a hard 
reset. End it was this easy. Definitely should’ve looked here first. Thanks for 
the info. :-) First time I’ve ever had a problem with an update with the watch.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 15, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
> 
> Good instructions. Just wish I’d had them before updating. Next time I’ll 
> check my email before updating anything to see if there’s anything different.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2020, at 7:09 PM, blindfait...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> I had this issue as well and it appears that the solution is to do a 2 
>> finger swipe up on your watch. You may have to do it several times to get it 
>> to work. Once you hear Voice Over say something like first row simply flick 
>> right and you should land on an ok button which when you double tap on it 
>> will dismiss the what's new screen.
>> 
>> I hope that his helps.
>> 
>> Scott
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Re: Described immages

[Malcolm Parfitt]

If Describe Images was not a feature supported by your phone then you would not 
expect it to be available under the Rotor too?

Do you have Screen Recognition available in your Rotor as well?

Confusing!

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 20 Dec 2020, at 17:19, Debbie Downey  wrote:
> 
> 
> I should say that I found described images under roter not image recognition.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debbie 
> Downey
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Described immages
>  
> I think that Sieghard may be right; I don’t even have voice recognition under 
> voiceover settings on my iPhone 8 but I did turn image
> recognition off under the roter and then do it for each app that I encounter 
> where I don’t wish to have that information conveyed.
>  
> Thanks for everyone’s help on this!
>  
> Debbie 
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Described immages
>  
> Hi Debbie,
>  
> On my old SE 1st generation phone if you go to Settings / Accessibility / 
> Voiceover / Rotor and open Rotor, now swipe all the way through, Describe 
> Images,  and Reorder Describe Images, are the last 2 options.
> Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
> - Original Message -
> From: Debbie Downey
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:25 AM
> Subject: RE: Described immages
>  
> That is what I’m wondering about; I can’t find image recognition in voice 
> recognition under voiceover;  that is why I think that maybe this is 
> available in a newer iPhone than I have.   
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Described immages
>  
> I just tested this out and apparently if you turn on Image Description in 
> Voiceover Recognition this will turn it on for all apps.  The Describe Images 
> option on the rotor controls its function per individual application.  If I'm 
> wrong someone please correct me.
> 
> Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
> - Original Message -
> From: Malcolm Parfitt
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 2:25 AM
> Subject: Re: Described immages
>  
> If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition 
> you will find it there.
>  
> Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override the 
> setting here?
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
>  
> 
> On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Debbie,
>  
> I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning 
> this on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do 
> this is to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you 
> highlight it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.
> 
> Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
> - Original Message -
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM
> Subject: Described immages
>  
> Hi,
> I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, 
> isn’t there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find 
> it. Is that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just 
> missing something which is highly likely?
> Thanks!
> Debbie
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RE: Described immages

[Debbie Downey]

I should say that I found described images under roter not image recognition.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debbie 
Downey
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Described immages

 

I think that Sieghard may be right; I don’t even have voice recognition under 
voiceover settings on my iPhone 8 but I did turn image 

recognition off under the roter and then do it for each app that I encounter 
where I don’t wish to have that information conveyed.

 

Thanks for everyone’s help on this!

 

Debbie  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mike 
B
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Described immages

 

Hi Debbie,

 

On my old SE 1st generation phone if you go to Settings / Accessibility / 
Voiceover / Rotor and open Rotor, now swipe all the way through, Describe 
Images,  and Reorder Describe Images, are the last 2 options.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: Debbie Downey   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:25 AM

Subject: RE: Described immages

 

That is what I’m wondering about; I can’t find image recognition in voice 
recognition under voiceover;  that is why I think that maybe this is available 
in a newer iPhone than I have.   

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mike 
B
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Described immages

 

I just tested this out and apparently if you turn on Image Description in 
Voiceover Recognition this will turn it on for all apps.  The Describe Images 
option on the rotor controls its function per individual application.  If I'm 
wrong someone please correct me.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: Malcolm Parfitt   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 2:25 AM

Subject: Re: Described immages

 

If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition you 
will find it there. 

 

Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override the 
setting here?

Malcolm Parfitt

 

On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Debbie,

 

I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning this 
on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do this is 
to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you highlight 
it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: Debbie Downey   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM

Subject: Described immages

 

Hi,

I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, isn’t 
there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find it. Is 
that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just missing 
something which is highly likely?

Thanks!

Debbie

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RE: Described immages

[Debbie Downey]

I think that Sieghard may be right; I don’t even have voice recognition under 
voiceover settings on my iPhone 8 but I did turn image 

recognition off under the roter and then do it for each app that I encounter 
where I don’t wish to have that information conveyed.

 

Thanks for everyone’s help on this!

 

Debbie  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Described immages

 

Hi Debbie,

 

On my old SE 1st generation phone if you go to Settings / Accessibility / 
Voiceover / Rotor and open Rotor, now swipe all the way through, Describe 
Images,  and Reorder Describe Images, are the last 2 options.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: Debbie Downey   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:25 AM

Subject: RE: Described immages

 

That is what I’m wondering about; I can’t find image recognition in voice 
recognition under voiceover;  that is why I think that maybe this is available 
in a newer iPhone than I have.   

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mike 
B
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Described immages

 

I just tested this out and apparently if you turn on Image Description in 
Voiceover Recognition this will turn it on for all apps.  The Describe Images 
option on the rotor controls its function per individual application.  If I'm 
wrong someone please correct me.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: Malcolm Parfitt   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 2:25 AM

Subject: Re: Described immages

 

If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition you 
will find it there. 

 

Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override the 
setting here?

Malcolm Parfitt

 

On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Debbie,

 

I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning this 
on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do this is 
to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you highlight 
it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: Debbie Downey   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM

Subject: Described immages

 

Hi,

I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, isn’t 
there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find it. Is 
that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just missing 
something which is highly likely?

Thanks!

Debbie

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Re: Described immages

[Mike B]

Hi Debbie,

On my old SE 1st generation phone if you go to Settings / Accessibility / 
Voiceover / Rotor and open Rotor, now swipe all the way through, Describe 
Images,  and Reorder Describe Images, are the last 2 options.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 
From: Debbie Downey
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: Described immages


That is what I’m wondering about; I can’t find image recognition in voice 
recognition under voiceover;  that is why I think that maybe this is 
available in a newer iPhone than I have.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
B
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Described immages



I just tested this out and apparently if you turn on Image Description in 
Voiceover Recognition this will turn it on for all apps.  The Describe 
Images option on the rotor controls its function per individual application. 
If I'm wrong someone please correct me.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: Malcolm Parfitt

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 2:25 AM

Subject: Re: Described immages



If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition 
you will find it there.



Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override 
the setting here?

Malcolm Parfitt





  On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B  wrote:

  

  Hi Debbie,



  I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning 
this on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do 
this is to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you 
highlight it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.


  Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

  - Original Message - 

  From: Debbie Downey

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com

  Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM

  Subject: Described immages



  Hi,

  I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, 
isn’t there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find 
it. Is that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just 
missing something which is highly likely?

  Thanks!

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RE: Described immages

[Fazil]

Is Voice-Recognition available in iPhone8 too?

Thanks!

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Malcolm 
Parfitt
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 2:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Described immages

 

If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition you 
will find it there.

 

Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override the 
setting here?

Malcolm Parfitt





On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Debbie,

 

I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning this 
on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do this is 
to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you highlight 
it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM

Subject: Described immages

 

Hi,

 

 

I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, isn’t 
there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find it. Is 
that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just missing 
something which is highly likely?

 

Thanks!

 

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Re: Can’t get Back to Watch Face After Updating

[Mary Otten]

If you scroll up with two fingers, you will find an OK button which will take 
you out of that screen and return you to the watch face.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 20, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Same happened for me, I turned off Voiceover and my wife was able to tap the 
> OK button. I assume you could probably power off your watch and then turn it 
> back on and this would also resolve it.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ron 
> Pelletier
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:07 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Can’t get Back to Watch Face After Updating 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I had the same problem. It definitely is a bug. You should be able to flick 
> right to the OK button but you can't. I called Apple care and spent 2 hours 
> on the phone trying to figure it out and couldn't do it either. After all 
> this, I found it myself by trial and error. 
> I reported it to Apple but, if I'm the only one, it won't get fixed. I urge 
> everyone who has had that problem to call and report it so they can fix it.
> 
> Ron & Danvers
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joney 
> Owen
> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 11:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can’t get Back to Watch Face After Updating 
> 
> I have messed with this thing all day long. Then save a reset. Then save a 
> hard reset. End it was this easy. Definitely should’ve looked here first. 
> Thanks for the info. :-) First time I’ve ever had a problem with an update 
> with the watch.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
>> 
>> Good instructions. Just wish I’d had them before updating. Next time I’ll 
>> check my email before updating anything to see if there’s anything different.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Dec 15, 2020, at 7:09 PM, blindfait...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had this issue as well and it appears that the solution is to do a 2 
>>> finger swipe up on your watch. You may have to do it several times to get 
>>> it to work. Once you hear Voice Over say something like first row simply 
>>> flick right and you should land on an ok button which when you double tap 
>>> on it will dismiss the what's new screen.
>>> 
>>> I hope that his helps.
>>> 
>>> Scott
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Re: Described immages

[Malcolm Parfitt]

I understand exactly what you’re saying.  However, some people have commented 
here that even though Describe Images is turned off under VoiceOver Recognition 
the night sky issue was not resolved until it was turned off in the Rotor.  
This may be a bug of course which lead me to question the relation to the 
options for enabling and disabling this feature.

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 20 Dec 2020, at 16:38, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> I may be wrong, but I think some of the features under Voiceover Recognition 
> are not available on the iPhone 8.
> For those who have newer phones, definitely iPhone 11 which is what I have 
> and possibly iPhone XR, you can turn image and screen recognition on or off 
> in Voiceover Settings under Voiceover Recognition. If you turn it on you then 
> get a list of all your apps where you can turn it on or off and you can, of 
> course, add it to the rotor.
> I use a VoIP phone app called 3CX which is set up to work with my business 
> telephone system. This app was completely inaccessible on my old iPhone 8 and 
> also on newer phones with screen recognition turned off. However, with screen 
> recognition turned on the app becomes almost completely accessible, not 
> perfect, but I can access recent calls, the keypad, settings and other areas. 
> I therefore turned on Screen Recognition in Voiceover Settings > Voiceover 
> Recognition, but then I went through my list of apps and turned it off for 
> all apps except for 3CX, this way whenever I open 3CX it is on and for other 
> apps I can turn it as well as image recognition on using the rotor if I want 
> it. It's a fantastic new feature of iOS 14.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debbie 
> Downey
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Described immages
>  
> That is what I’m wondering about; I can’t find image recognition in voice 
> recognition under voiceover;  that is why I think that maybe this is 
> available in a newer iPhone than I have.   
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Described immages
>  
> I just tested this out and apparently if you turn on Image Description in 
> Voiceover Recognition this will turn it on for all apps.  The Describe Images 
> option on the rotor controls its function per individual application.  If I'm 
> wrong someone please correct me.
> 
> Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
> - Original Message -
> From: Malcolm Parfitt
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 2:25 AM
> Subject: Re: Described immages
>  
> If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition 
> you will find it there.
>  
> Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override the 
> setting here?
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
>  
> 
> On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Debbie,
>  
> I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning 
> this on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do 
> this is to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you 
> highlight it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.
> 
> Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
> - Original Message -
> From: Debbie Downey
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM
> Subject: Described immages
>  
> Hi,
> I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, 
> isn’t there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find 
> it. Is that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just 
> missing something which is highly likely?
> Thanks!
> Debbie
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RE: Can’t get Back to Watch Face After Updating

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Same happened for me, I turned off Voiceover and my wife was able to tap the OK 
button. I assume you could probably power off your watch and then turn it back 
on and this would also resolve it.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ron 
Pelletier
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Can’t get Back to Watch Face After Updating 

Hi all,

I had the same problem. It definitely is a bug. You should be able to flick 
right to the OK button but you can't. I called Apple care and spent 2 hours on 
the phone trying to figure it out and couldn't do it either. After all this, I 
found it myself by trial and error. 
I reported it to Apple but, if I'm the only one, it won't get fixed. I urge 
everyone who has had that problem to call and report it so they can fix it.

Ron & Danvers


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joney 
Owen
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 11:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can’t get Back to Watch Face After Updating 

I have messed with this thing all day long. Then save a reset. Then save a hard 
reset. End it was this easy. Definitely should’ve looked here first. Thanks for 
the info. :-) First time I’ve ever had a problem with an update with the watch.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 15, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
> 
> Good instructions. Just wish I’d had them before updating. Next time I’ll 
> check my email before updating anything to see if there’s anything different.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2020, at 7:09 PM, blindfait...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> I had this issue as well and it appears that the solution is to do a 2 
>> finger swipe up on your watch. You may have to do it several times to get it 
>> to work. Once you hear Voice Over say something like first row simply flick 
>> right and you should land on an ok button which when you double tap on it 
>> will dismiss the what's new screen.
>> 
>> I hope that his helps.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
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RE: Described immages

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I may be wrong, but I think some of the features under Voiceover Recognition 
are not available on the iPhone 8.
For those who have newer phones, definitely iPhone 11 which is what I have and 
possibly iPhone XR, you can turn image and screen recognition on or off in 
Voiceover Settings under Voiceover Recognition. If you turn it on you then get 
a list of all your apps where you can turn it on or off and you can, of course, 
add it to the rotor.
I use a VoIP phone app called 3CX which is set up to work with my business 
telephone system. This app was completely inaccessible on my old iPhone 8 and 
also on newer phones with screen recognition turned off. However, with screen 
recognition turned on the app becomes almost completely accessible, not 
perfect, but I can access recent calls, the keypad, settings and other areas. I 
therefore turned on Screen Recognition in Voiceover Settings > Voiceover 
Recognition, but then I went through my list of apps and turned it off for all 
apps except for 3CX, this way whenever I open 3CX it is on and for other apps I 
can turn it as well as image recognition on using the rotor if I want it. It's 
a fantastic new feature of iOS 14.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debbie 
Downey
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Described immages

That is what I’m wondering about; I can’t find image recognition in voice 
recognition under voiceover;  that is why I think that maybe this is available 
in a newer iPhone than I have.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Described immages

I just tested this out and apparently if you turn on Image Description in 
Voiceover Recognition this will turn it on for all apps.  The Describe Images 
option on the rotor controls its function per individual application.  If I'm 
wrong someone please correct me.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
- Original Message -
From: Malcolm Parfitt
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: Described immages

If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition you 
will find it there.

Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override the 
setting here?
Malcolm Parfitt

On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B 
mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Debbie,

I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning this 
on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do this is 
to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you highlight 
it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
- Original Message -
From: Debbie Downey
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM
Subject: Described immages

Hi,
I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, isn’t 
there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find it. Is 
that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just missing 
something which is highly likely?
Thanks!
Debbie
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RE: Described immages

[Debbie Downey]

That is what I’m wondering about; I can’t find image recognition in voice 
recognition under voiceover;  that is why I think that maybe this is available 
in a newer iPhone than I have.   

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Described immages

 

I just tested this out and apparently if you turn on Image Description in 
Voiceover Recognition this will turn it on for all apps.  The Describe Images 
option on the rotor controls its function per individual application.  If I'm 
wrong someone please correct me.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: Malcolm Parfitt   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 2:25 AM

Subject: Re: Described immages

 

If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition you 
will find it there. 

 

Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override the 
setting here?

Malcolm Parfitt





On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Debbie,

 

I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning this 
on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do this is 
to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you highlight 
it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

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Subject: Described immages

 

Hi,

I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, isn’t 
there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find it. Is 
that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just missing 
something which is highly likely?

Thanks!

Debbie

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Re: Where is the setting so app updates Will download an update on their own

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Jen,


It's in App Store Settings.

Best,
Anna


> On Dec 20, 2020, at 10:18 AM, Jen .  wrote:
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> Hi what setting do I have to turn on or change so that my app updates will 
> install on their own when there are updates available.
> Jen
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Where is the setting so app updates Will download an update on their own

[Jen .]

Hi what setting do I have to turn on or change so that my app updates will 
install on their own when there are updates available.
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I no longer am receiving iMessages on all my devices

[Jen .]

Hi I am suddenly not able to receive iMessages on all my devices since both my 
email address and phone number are not selected on these devices now.
I can receive messages for my phone number on my phone and iMessages from my 
email on my iPad iPod touch and MacBook Air but wondering how I get it so that 
I will receive all messages from both phone number and email address on all 
devices and how and where I would put a second address if one is needed since I 
only see my phone number on my phone and email on everything else not both.
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RE: Can’t get Back to Watch Face After Updating

[Ron Pelletier]

Hi all,

I had the same problem. It definitely is a bug. You should be able to flick 
right to the OK button but you can't. I called Apple care and spent 2 hours on 
the phone trying to figure it out and couldn't do it either. After all this, I 
found it myself by trial and error. 
I reported it to Apple but, if I'm the only one, it won't get fixed. I urge 
everyone who has had that problem to call and report it so they can fix it.

Ron & Danvers


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Owen
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 11:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can’t get Back to Watch Face After Updating 

I have messed with this thing all day long. Then save a reset. Then save a hard 
reset. End it was this easy. Definitely should’ve looked here first. Thanks for 
the info. :-) First time I’ve ever had a problem with an update with the watch.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 15, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
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> Good instructions. Just wish I’d had them before updating. Next time I’ll 
> check my email before updating anything to see if there’s anything different.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 15, 2020, at 7:09 PM, blindfait...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> I had this issue as well and it appears that the solution is to do a 2 
>> finger swipe up on your watch. You may have to do it several times to get it 
>> to work. Once you hear Voice Over say something like first row simply flick 
>> right and you should land on an ok button which when you double tap on it 
>> will dismiss the what's new screen.
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>> I hope that his helps.
>> 
>> Scott
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Re: Described immages

[Mike B]

I just tested this out and apparently if you turn on Image Description in 
Voiceover Recognition this will turn it on for all apps.  The Describe 
Images option on the rotor controls its function per individual application. 
If I'm wrong someone please correct me.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 
From: Malcolm Parfitt
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Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: Described immages


If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition 
you will find it there.


Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override 
the setting here?


Malcolm Parfitt


  On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B  wrote:


  
  Hi Debbie,

  I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning 
this on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do 
this is to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you 
highlight it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.

  Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Debbie Downey
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM
  Subject: Described immages


  Hi,





  I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, 
isn’t there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find 
it. Is that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just 
missing something which is highly likely?



  Thanks!



  Debbie


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Re: Described immages

[Malcolm Parfitt]

If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition you 
will find it there.

Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override the 
setting here?

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Debbie,
>  
> I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning 
> this on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do 
> this is to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you 
> highlight it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.
> 
> Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
> - Original Message -
> From: Debbie Downey
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM
> Subject: Described immages
> 
> Hi,
>  
>  
> I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, 
> isn’t there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find 
> it. Is that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just 
> missing something which is highly likely?
>  
> Thanks!
>  
> Debbie
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