Re: Lion - step backwards?

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On 22/07/2011, at 11:40 AM, Tim Law wrote:

> Do I assume that the swiping and dragging feature is only relevant to
> laptop users?
> And that desktop users don't get any benefit from this particular part of 
> Lion?
> 
> Tim

Gestures are only part of the feature set. Of more importance IMHO are the big 
hitters such as Versions, Mission Control (wonderful once you get used to it), 
Autosave, Launchpad (which initially I could not see a use for on a non-iOS 
device) and lots and lots of small yet important improvements (folder merge, 
for just one example).

Gestures can easily be emulated by judicial use of function keys and/or screen 
corners if you don't go go out and get a Magic Trackpad. They are by no means 
the only benefit of Lion. 


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Re: Lion - step backwards?

[John Thompson]

Just a small input - I do not have the Magic Mouse but instead do have and use 
the older wireless Mighty Mouse, under my left hand, and a Magic Trackpad, 
under my right hand.  Both work and integrate extremely well.  I would 
recommend a Trackpad for anyone who uses a Mac Mini or other desktop unit.

Regards

John Thompson
On 22/07/2011, at 4:29 PM, cm wrote:

> I just wanted to add that new iMacs ship with the option of either a Magic 
> Mouse or a Magic Trackpad. So in principle they are alternatives. However, 
> someone at the last meeting did tell me that they were using both,  and two 
> more purchase radio buttons on the Apple Store allow the user to buy either 
> both the Magi Mouse and the Magic Trackpad or a standard Apple mouse and a 
> Magic Trackpad -- the latter choice presumably for those who wish to cut down 
> on the number of touch surfaces. Some designers I know switched to the 
> Trackpad exclusively almost a year ago.
> 
> I have no experience myself with the Magic Trackpad as I use my notebook 
> exclusively so I will have to leave it to others to answer your usability 
> question.
> 
> Cheers,
> Carlo
> 
> On 2011-07-22, at 15:03, Clinton Ducas wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've been using Lion since Wednesday night on my iMac and so far it is 
>> impressive. 
>> 
>> One question I have for other desktop users is this:
>> 
>> Is it worth buying a Magic Trackpad to use with Lion for the multi-touch 
>> gestures? I have a Magic Mouse at the moment and it works fine, but am 
>> considering the purchase of a Magic Trackpad to use in conjunction with the 
>> mouse. What are your thoughts?
>> 
>> Regards, Clinton
>> 
>> 
>> On 22/07/2011, at 12:08 PM, Skehan Adrian wrote:
>> 
>>> It works great on my iMac.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Adrian
>>> adrianske...@me.com
>>> 
>>> On 22/07/2011, at 11:53 AM, Rod Lavington wrote:
>>> 
 Unless you have a magic trackpad :)
 
 Cheers
 
 Rod
 On Jul 22, 2011 11:46 AM, "Tim Law"  wrote:
 > 
 > Do I assume that the swiping and dragging feature is only relevant to
 > laptop users?
 > And that desktop users don't get any benefit from this particular part 
 > of Lion?
 > 
 > Tim
 > 
 > On Friday, 22 July 2011, cm  wrote:
 >>
 >> Hi all,
 >>
 >> I guess liking or not liking a piece of software is a personal choice 
 >> affected by many factors, but speaking for myself I think Lion is 
 >> fantastic! I have been using it for about four weeks now and the 
 >> gestures have become second nature. Also Mission Control gives a superb 
 >> overview of all running applications -- I personally hardly ever use 
 >> Dashboard, so I unchecked the System Preference "Show Dashboard as a 
 >> space". I can still access Dashboard using the F4 key on my MacBook Pro 
 >> (it's a different key on an iMac). Another setting that I have become 
 >> used to, even during the Snow Leopard era, is the three finger drag. 
 >> This means that switching spaces in Mission control has been bumped for 
 >> me to a four finger gesture.
 >>
 >> The graphics are hyper responsive! Switching desktops is an 
 >> instantaneous operation and once can even move the screen across in 
 >> slow motion. The inertia and responsiveness of the two finger scroll is 
 >> reminiscent of an iPad. I also use Launchpad often and access it via 
 >> the three finger plus thumb pinch.
 >>
 >> I think that another clever aspect of Lion is that Apple has maintained 
 >> backward compatibility of keystrokes and mouse clicks. If you don't 
 >> want to use the new gestures, or if you want to phase them in 
 >> gradually, you can still get by using the old keystroke combinations.
 >>
 >> I like the full screen view for some apps, like Safari, but prefer to 
 >> run Mail on its own desktop so that responding to an email does not tie 
 >> up the main interface. Pages and Numbers are better in full screen mode 
 >> for me. Unless I need to work on multiple documents, full screen 
 >> removed distractions. The automatic versioning and saving is a 
 >> breakthrough and I have already benefited from versions.
 >>
 >> There are some rough edges that I hope will be fixed in OS X 10.7.1. 
 >> There was a lot of pressure to get Lion out the door because it was 
 >> holding up the release of new hardware, so a few things are not as 
 >> polished as they should be. The problems, however, a likely easily 
 >> fixed over the coming weeks.
 >>
 >> * Mail has become unstable. I find that when overloaded it will crash. 
 >> This happens to me about once every two days. Fortunately automatic 
 >> saving means that the most I have lost is two words.
 >> * Safari in full screen mode does not behave properly when one reverse 
 >> pinch zooms in. The text, rather than being laid out afresh and 
 >> wrap

Re: Lion - step backwards?

[cm]

I just wanted to add that new iMacs ship with the option of either a Magic 
Mouse or a Magic Trackpad. So in principle they are alternatives. However, 
someone at the last meeting did tell me that they were using both,  and two 
more purchase radio buttons on the Apple Store allow the user to buy either 
both the Magi Mouse and the Magic Trackpad or a standard Apple mouse and a 
Magic Trackpad -- the latter choice presumably for those who wish to cut down 
on the number of touch surfaces. Some designers I know switched to the Trackpad 
exclusively almost a year ago.

I have no experience myself with the Magic Trackpad as I use my notebook 
exclusively so I will have to leave it to others to answer your usability 
question.

Cheers,
Carlo

On 2011-07-22, at 15:03, Clinton Ducas wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I've been using Lion since Wednesday night on my iMac and so far it is 
> impressive. 
> 
> One question I have for other desktop users is this:
> 
> Is it worth buying a Magic Trackpad to use with Lion for the multi-touch 
> gestures? I have a Magic Mouse at the moment and it works fine, but am 
> considering the purchase of a Magic Trackpad to use in conjunction with the 
> mouse. What are your thoughts?
> 
> Regards, Clinton
> 
> 
> On 22/07/2011, at 12:08 PM, Skehan Adrian wrote:
> 
>> It works great on my iMac.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Adrian
>> adrianske...@me.com
>> 
>> On 22/07/2011, at 11:53 AM, Rod Lavington wrote:
>> 
>>> Unless you have a magic trackpad :)
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Rod
>>> On Jul 22, 2011 11:46 AM, "Tim Law"  wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > Do I assume that the swiping and dragging feature is only relevant to
>>> > laptop users?
>>> > And that desktop users don't get any benefit from this particular part of 
>>> > Lion?
>>> > 
>>> > Tim
>>> > 
>>> > On Friday, 22 July 2011, cm  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi all,
>>> >>
>>> >> I guess liking or not liking a piece of software is a personal choice 
>>> >> affected by many factors, but speaking for myself I think Lion is 
>>> >> fantastic! I have been using it for about four weeks now and the 
>>> >> gestures have become second nature. Also Mission Control gives a superb 
>>> >> overview of all running applications -- I personally hardly ever use 
>>> >> Dashboard, so I unchecked the System Preference "Show Dashboard as a 
>>> >> space". I can still access Dashboard using the F4 key on my MacBook Pro 
>>> >> (it's a different key on an iMac). Another setting that I have become 
>>> >> used to, even during the Snow Leopard era, is the three finger drag. 
>>> >> This means that switching spaces in Mission control has been bumped for 
>>> >> me to a four finger gesture.
>>> >>
>>> >> The graphics are hyper responsive! Switching desktops is an 
>>> >> instantaneous operation and once can even move the screen across in slow 
>>> >> motion. The inertia and responsiveness of the two finger scroll is 
>>> >> reminiscent of an iPad. I also use Launchpad often and access it via the 
>>> >> three finger plus thumb pinch.
>>> >>
>>> >> I think that another clever aspect of Lion is that Apple has maintained 
>>> >> backward compatibility of keystrokes and mouse clicks. If you don't want 
>>> >> to use the new gestures, or if you want to phase them in gradually, you 
>>> >> can still get by using the old keystroke combinations.
>>> >>
>>> >> I like the full screen view for some apps, like Safari, but prefer to 
>>> >> run Mail on its own desktop so that responding to an email does not tie 
>>> >> up the main interface. Pages and Numbers are better in full screen mode 
>>> >> for me. Unless I need to work on multiple documents, full screen removed 
>>> >> distractions. The automatic versioning and saving is a breakthrough and 
>>> >> I have already benefited from versions.
>>> >>
>>> >> There are some rough edges that I hope will be fixed in OS X 10.7.1. 
>>> >> There was a lot of pressure to get Lion out the door because it was 
>>> >> holding up the release of new hardware, so a few things are not as 
>>> >> polished as they should be. The problems, however, a likely easily fixed 
>>> >> over the coming weeks.
>>> >>
>>> >> * Mail has become unstable. I find that when overloaded it will crash. 
>>> >> This happens to me about once every two days. Fortunately automatic 
>>> >> saving means that the most I have lost is two words.
>>> >> * Safari in full screen mode does not behave properly when one reverse 
>>> >> pinch zooms in. The text, rather than being laid out afresh and wrapping 
>>> >> correctly, just extends beyond the edge of the screen.
>>> >> * I have had some initial trouble reconnecting to my router on wake up, 
>>> >> but this problem seems to have disappeared by itself. I think the 
>>> >> release version may have corrected this as I was using the developer GM 
>>> >> version until yesterday.
>>> >>
>>> >> I have submitted reports to Apple for the first two of the above defects 
>>> >> -- the Mail crash report being automatically generated.
>>> >>
>>> 

Re: Lion - step backwards?

[Clinton Ducas]

Hi all,

I've been using Lion since Wednesday night on my iMac and so far it is 
impressive. 

One question I have for other desktop users is this:

Is it worth buying a Magic Trackpad to use with Lion for the multi-touch 
gestures? I have a Magic Mouse at the moment and it works fine, but am 
considering the purchase of a Magic Trackpad to use in conjunction with the 
mouse. What are your thoughts?

Regards, Clinton


On 22/07/2011, at 12:08 PM, Skehan Adrian wrote:

> It works great on my iMac.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Adrian
> adrianske...@me.com
> 
> On 22/07/2011, at 11:53 AM, Rod Lavington wrote:
> 
>> Unless you have a magic trackpad :)
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Rod
>> On Jul 22, 2011 11:46 AM, "Tim Law"  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Do I assume that the swiping and dragging feature is only relevant to
>> > laptop users?
>> > And that desktop users don't get any benefit from this particular part of 
>> > Lion?
>> > 
>> > Tim
>> > 
>> > On Friday, 22 July 2011, cm  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> I guess liking or not liking a piece of software is a personal choice 
>> >> affected by many factors, but speaking for myself I think Lion is 
>> >> fantastic! I have been using it for about four weeks now and the gestures 
>> >> have become second nature. Also Mission Control gives a superb overview 
>> >> of all running applications -- I personally hardly ever use Dashboard, so 
>> >> I unchecked the System Preference "Show Dashboard as a space". I can 
>> >> still access Dashboard using the F4 key on my MacBook Pro (it's a 
>> >> different key on an iMac). Another setting that I have become used to, 
>> >> even during the Snow Leopard era, is the three finger drag. This means 
>> >> that switching spaces in Mission control has been bumped for me to a four 
>> >> finger gesture.
>> >>
>> >> The graphics are hyper responsive! Switching desktops is an instantaneous 
>> >> operation and once can even move the screen across in slow motion. The 
>> >> inertia and responsiveness of the two finger scroll is reminiscent of an 
>> >> iPad. I also use Launchpad often and access it via the three finger plus 
>> >> thumb pinch.
>> >>
>> >> I think that another clever aspect of Lion is that Apple has maintained 
>> >> backward compatibility of keystrokes and mouse clicks. If you don't want 
>> >> to use the new gestures, or if you want to phase them in gradually, you 
>> >> can still get by using the old keystroke combinations.
>> >>
>> >> I like the full screen view for some apps, like Safari, but prefer to run 
>> >> Mail on its own desktop so that responding to an email does not tie up 
>> >> the main interface. Pages and Numbers are better in full screen mode for 
>> >> me. Unless I need to work on multiple documents, full screen removed 
>> >> distractions. The automatic versioning and saving is a breakthrough and I 
>> >> have already benefited from versions.
>> >>
>> >> There are some rough edges that I hope will be fixed in OS X 10.7.1. 
>> >> There was a lot of pressure to get Lion out the door because it was 
>> >> holding up the release of new hardware, so a few things are not as 
>> >> polished as they should be. The problems, however, a likely easily fixed 
>> >> over the coming weeks.
>> >>
>> >> * Mail has become unstable. I find that when overloaded it will crash. 
>> >> This happens to me about once every two days. Fortunately automatic 
>> >> saving means that the most I have lost is two words.
>> >> * Safari in full screen mode does not behave properly when one reverse 
>> >> pinch zooms in. The text, rather than being laid out afresh and wrapping 
>> >> correctly, just extends beyond the edge of the screen.
>> >> * I have had some initial trouble reconnecting to my router on wake up, 
>> >> but this problem seems to have disappeared by itself. I think the release 
>> >> version may have corrected this as I was using the developer GM version 
>> >> until yesterday.
>> >>
>> >> I have submitted reports to Apple for the first two of the above defects 
>> >> -- the Mail crash report being automatically generated.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Carlo
>> >>
>> >> On 2011-07-21, at 23:18, rkor...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Guys
>> >>>
>> >>> I have installed it on a new 15" MBP at the office and I will use that 
>> >>> for testing, I have only had it up and running for about 2
>> >>> hours now and haven't really formed an opinion as of yet.
>> >>>
>> >>> Somethings are quite different and on first impressions I don't like 
>> >>> them but I want to see if it grows on me, at the moment I
>> >>> am trying to get our VPN working on it so far its not haha.
>> >>>
>> >>> I can imagine that things like the autosave and resume will be very 
>> >>> welcome here so will see how I go over the next few
>> >>> weeks testing the applications CS suite, Office and our legacy stuff!!
>> >>>
>> >>> Roger
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu Jul 21 23:10 , Daniel Kerr  sent:
>> >>>
>> 
>>  Hi Steven
>> 
>>  I must ad

Re: Lion - step backwards?

[Skehan Adrian]

It works great on my iMac.


Regards,

Adrian
adrianske...@me.com

On 22/07/2011, at 11:53 AM, Rod Lavington wrote:

> Unless you have a magic trackpad :)
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Rod
> On Jul 22, 2011 11:46 AM, "Tim Law"  wrote:
> > 
> > Do I assume that the swiping and dragging feature is only relevant to
> > laptop users?
> > And that desktop users don't get any benefit from this particular part of 
> > Lion?
> > 
> > Tim
> > 
> > On Friday, 22 July 2011, cm  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I guess liking or not liking a piece of software is a personal choice 
> >> affected by many factors, but speaking for myself I think Lion is 
> >> fantastic! I have been using it for about four weeks now and the gestures 
> >> have become second nature. Also Mission Control gives a superb overview of 
> >> all running applications -- I personally hardly ever use Dashboard, so I 
> >> unchecked the System Preference "Show Dashboard as a space". I can still 
> >> access Dashboard using the F4 key on my MacBook Pro (it's a different key 
> >> on an iMac). Another setting that I have become used to, even during the 
> >> Snow Leopard era, is the three finger drag. This means that switching 
> >> spaces in Mission control has been bumped for me to a four finger gesture.
> >>
> >> The graphics are hyper responsive! Switching desktops is an instantaneous 
> >> operation and once can even move the screen across in slow motion. The 
> >> inertia and responsiveness of the two finger scroll is reminiscent of an 
> >> iPad. I also use Launchpad often and access it via the three finger plus 
> >> thumb pinch.
> >>
> >> I think that another clever aspect of Lion is that Apple has maintained 
> >> backward compatibility of keystrokes and mouse clicks. If you don't want 
> >> to use the new gestures, or if you want to phase them in gradually, you 
> >> can still get by using the old keystroke combinations.
> >>
> >> I like the full screen view for some apps, like Safari, but prefer to run 
> >> Mail on its own desktop so that responding to an email does not tie up the 
> >> main interface. Pages and Numbers are better in full screen mode for me. 
> >> Unless I need to work on multiple documents, full screen removed 
> >> distractions. The automatic versioning and saving is a breakthrough and I 
> >> have already benefited from versions.
> >>
> >> There are some rough edges that I hope will be fixed in OS X 10.7.1. There 
> >> was a lot of pressure to get Lion out the door because it was holding up 
> >> the release of new hardware, so a few things are not as polished as they 
> >> should be. The problems, however, a likely easily fixed over the coming 
> >> weeks.
> >>
> >> * Mail has become unstable. I find that when overloaded it will crash. 
> >> This happens to me about once every two days. Fortunately automatic saving 
> >> means that the most I have lost is two words.
> >> * Safari in full screen mode does not behave properly when one reverse 
> >> pinch zooms in. The text, rather than being laid out afresh and wrapping 
> >> correctly, just extends beyond the edge of the screen.
> >> * I have had some initial trouble reconnecting to my router on wake up, 
> >> but this problem seems to have disappeared by itself. I think the release 
> >> version may have corrected this as I was using the developer GM version 
> >> until yesterday.
> >>
> >> I have submitted reports to Apple for the first two of the above defects 
> >> -- the Mail crash report being automatically generated.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Carlo
> >>
> >> On 2011-07-21, at 23:18, rkor...@iinet.net.au wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Guys
> >>>
> >>> I have installed it on a new 15" MBP at the office and I will use that 
> >>> for testing, I have only had it up and running for about 2
> >>> hours now and haven't really formed an opinion as of yet.
> >>>
> >>> Somethings are quite different and on first impressions I don't like them 
> >>> but I want to see if it grows on me, at the moment I
> >>> am trying to get our VPN working on it so far its not haha.
> >>>
> >>> I can imagine that things like the autosave and resume will be very 
> >>> welcome here so will see how I go over the next few
> >>> weeks testing the applications CS suite, Office and our legacy stuff!!
> >>>
> >>> Roger
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu Jul 21 23:10 , Daniel Kerr  sent:
> >>>
> 
>  Hi Steven
> 
>  I must admit I do agree with you with some of this.
>  Some thing stand out as being slightly better, but some of it, like you
>  say,..I just can't put my finger on it. For some of it, I thought, it 
>  didn't
>  seem as "Apple polished" as it should be. Some things seemed a bit 
>  "chunky"
>  or not finished off,..or just something.
>  I can't quite put my finger on it,..but it doesn't seem the "Apple 
>  smooth"
>  go the extra mile stand out graphics (or something) that it should be.
>  (And I'm running it on a MacPro with 18GB RAM, 5770 1GB Video card o

Re: Lion - step backwards?

[Susan Hastings]

You can swipe from side to side and up and down using the Magic Mouse, I 
haven't tried other stuff.
On 22/07/2011, at 11:53 AM, Rod Lavington wrote:

> Unless you have a magic trackpad :)
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Rod
> On Jul 22, 2011 11:46 AM, "Tim Law"  wrote:
> > 
> > Do I assume that the swiping and dragging feature is only relevant to
> > laptop users?
> > And that desktop users don't get any benefit from this particular part of 
> > Lion?
> > 
> > Tim
> > 
> > On Friday, 22 July 2011, cm  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I guess liking or not liking a piece of software is a personal choice 
> >> affected by many factors, but speaking for myself I think Lion is 
> >> fantastic! I have been using it for about four weeks now and the gestures 
> >> have become second nature. Also Mission Control gives a superb overview of 
> >> all running applications -- I personally hardly ever use Dashboard, so I 
> >> unchecked the System Preference "Show Dashboard as a space". I can still 
> >> access Dashboard using the F4 key on my MacBook Pro (it's a different key 
> >> on an iMac). Another setting that I have become used to, even during the 
> >> Snow Leopard era, is the three finger drag. This means that switching 
> >> spaces in Mission control has been bumped for me to a four finger gesture.
> >>
> >> The graphics are hyper responsive! Switching desktops is an instantaneous 
> >> operation and once can even move the screen across in slow motion. The 
> >> inertia and responsiveness of the two finger scroll is reminiscent of an 
> >> iPad. I also use Launchpad often and access it via the three finger plus 
> >> thumb pinch.
> >>
> >> I think that another clever aspect of Lion is that Apple has maintained 
> >> backward compatibility of keystrokes and mouse clicks. If you don't want 
> >> to use the new gestures, or if you want to phase them in gradually, you 
> >> can still get by using the old keystroke combinations.
> >>
> >> I like the full screen view for some apps, like Safari, but prefer to run 
> >> Mail on its own desktop so that responding to an email does not tie up the 
> >> main interface. Pages and Numbers are better in full screen mode for me. 
> >> Unless I need to work on multiple documents, full screen removed 
> >> distractions. The automatic versioning and saving is a breakthrough and I 
> >> have already benefited from versions.
> >>
> >> There are some rough edges that I hope will be fixed in OS X 10.7.1. There 
> >> was a lot of pressure to get Lion out the door because it was holding up 
> >> the release of new hardware, so a few things are not as polished as they 
> >> should be. The problems, however, a likely easily fixed over the coming 
> >> weeks.
> >>
> >> * Mail has become unstable. I find that when overloaded it will crash. 
> >> This happens to me about once every two days. Fortunately automatic saving 
> >> means that the most I have lost is two words.
> >> * Safari in full screen mode does not behave properly when one reverse 
> >> pinch zooms in. The text, rather than being laid out afresh and wrapping 
> >> correctly, just extends beyond the edge of the screen.
> >> * I have had some initial trouble reconnecting to my router on wake up, 
> >> but this problem seems to have disappeared by itself. I think the release 
> >> version may have corrected this as I was using the developer GM version 
> >> until yesterday.
> >>
> >> I have submitted reports to Apple for the first two of the above defects 
> >> -- the Mail crash report being automatically generated.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Carlo
> >>
> >> On 2011-07-21, at 23:18, rkor...@iinet.net.au wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Guys
> >>>
> >>> I have installed it on a new 15" MBP at the office and I will use that 
> >>> for testing, I have only had it up and running for about 2
> >>> hours now and haven't really formed an opinion as of yet.
> >>>
> >>> Somethings are quite different and on first impressions I don't like them 
> >>> but I want to see if it grows on me, at the moment I
> >>> am trying to get our VPN working on it so far its not haha.
> >>>
> >>> I can imagine that things like the autosave and resume will be very 
> >>> welcome here so will see how I go over the next few
> >>> weeks testing the applications CS suite, Office and our legacy stuff!!
> >>>
> >>> Roger
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu Jul 21 23:10 , Daniel Kerr  sent:
> >>>
> 
>  Hi Steven
> 
>  I must admit I do agree with you with some of this.
>  Some thing stand out as being slightly better, but some of it, like you
>  say,..I just can't put my finger on it. For some of it, I thought, it 
>  didn't
>  seem as "Apple polished" as it should be. Some things seemed a bit 
>  "chunky"
>  or not finished off,..or just something.
>  I can't quite put my finger on it,..but it doesn't seem the "Apple 
>  smooth"
>  go the extra mile stand out graphics (or something) that it should be.
>  (And I'm running it on a MacPro wi

Re: Lion - step backwards?

[Rod Lavington]

Unless you have a magic trackpad :)

Cheers

Rod
 On Jul 22, 2011 11:46 AM, "Tim Law"  wrote:
>
> Do I assume that the swiping and dragging feature is only relevant to
> laptop users?
> And that desktop users don't get any benefit from this particular part of
Lion?
>
> Tim
>
> On Friday, 22 July 2011, cm  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I guess liking or not liking a piece of software is a personal choice
affected by many factors, but speaking for myself I think Lion is fantastic!
I have been using it for about four weeks now and the gestures have become
second nature. Also Mission Control gives a superb overview of all running
applications -- I personally hardly ever use Dashboard, so I unchecked the
System Preference "Show Dashboard as a space". I can still access Dashboard
using the F4 key on my MacBook Pro (it's a different key on an iMac).
Another setting that I have become used to, even during the Snow Leopard
era, is the three finger drag. This means that switching spaces in Mission
control has been bumped for me to a four finger gesture.
>>
>> The graphics are hyper responsive! Switching desktops is an instantaneous
operation and once can even move the screen across in slow motion. The
inertia and responsiveness of the two finger scroll is reminiscent of an
iPad. I also use Launchpad often and access it via the three finger plus
thumb pinch.
>>
>> I think that another clever aspect of Lion is that Apple has maintained
backward compatibility of keystrokes and mouse clicks. If you don't want to
use the new gestures, or if you want to phase them in gradually, you can
still get by using the old keystroke combinations.
>>
>> I like the full screen view for some apps, like Safari, but prefer to run
Mail on its own desktop so that responding to an email does not tie up the
main interface. Pages and Numbers are better in full screen mode for me.
Unless I need to work on multiple documents, full screen removed
distractions. The automatic versioning and saving is a breakthrough and I
have already benefited from versions.
>>
>> There are some rough edges that I hope will be fixed in OS X 10.7.1.
There was a lot of pressure to get Lion out the door because it was holding
up the release of new hardware, so a few things are not as polished as they
should be. The problems, however, a likely easily fixed over the coming
weeks.
>>
>> * Mail has become unstable. I find that when overloaded it will crash.
This happens to me about once every two days. Fortunately automatic saving
means that the most I have lost is two words.
>> * Safari in full screen mode does not behave properly when one reverse
pinch zooms in. The text, rather than being laid out afresh and wrapping
correctly, just extends beyond the edge of the screen.
>> * I have had some initial trouble reconnecting to my router on wake up,
but this problem seems to have disappeared by itself. I think the release
version may have corrected this as I was using the developer GM version
until yesterday.
>>
>> I have submitted reports to Apple for the first two of the above defects
-- the Mail crash report being automatically generated.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Carlo
>>
>> On 2011-07-21, at 23:18, rkor...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Guys
>>>
>>> I have installed it on a new 15" MBP at the office and I will use that
for testing, I have only had it up and running for about 2
>>> hours now and haven't really formed an opinion as of yet.
>>>
>>> Somethings are quite different and on first impressions I don't like
them but I want to see if it grows on me, at the moment I
>>> am trying to get our VPN working on it so far its not haha.
>>>
>>> I can imagine that things like the autosave and resume will be very
welcome here so will see how I go over the next few
>>> weeks testing the applications CS suite, Office and our legacy stuff!!
>>>
>>> Roger
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu Jul 21 23:10 , Daniel Kerr  sent:
>>>

 Hi Steven

 I must admit I do agree with you with some of this.
 Some thing stand out as being slightly better, but some of it, like you
 say,..I just can't put my finger on it. For some of it, I thought, it
didn't
 seem as "Apple polished" as it should be. Some things seemed a bit
"chunky"
 or not finished off,..or just something.
 I can't quite put my finger on it,..but it doesn't seem the "Apple
smooth"
 go the extra mile stand out graphics (or something) that it should be.
 (And I'm running it on a MacPro with 18GB RAM, 5770 1GB Video card on
an
 Apple 24" LED "current" minDisplay monitor.) So it's not like it's "old
 gear". And right beside that is the same 24" LED monitor hooked up to
my
 2011 MacBookPro running Snow Leopard. So it's "same same"),

 But yes,..something just doesn't seem as crystal clear.
 Maybe there's some "tweak settings" or just getting used to the
different
 feel of it.
 Don't get me wrong,..there's lots of cool things it has and will
do.
 But yes, I do have to admit t

Re: Lion - step backwards?

[cm]

Hi all,

I guess liking or not liking a piece of software is a personal choice affected 
by many factors, but speaking for myself I think Lion is fantastic! I have been 
using it for about four weeks now and the gestures have become second nature. 
Also Mission Control gives a superb overview of all running applications -- I 
personally hardly ever use Dashboard, so I unchecked the System Preference 
"Show Dashboard as a space". I can still access Dashboard using the F4 key on 
my MacBook Pro (it's a different key on an iMac). Another setting that I have 
become used to, even during the Snow Leopard era, is the three finger drag. 
This means that switching spaces in Mission control has been bumped for me to a 
four finger gesture.

The graphics are hyper responsive! Switching desktops is an instantaneous 
operation and once can even move the screen across in slow motion. The inertia 
and responsiveness of the two finger scroll is reminiscent of an iPad. I also 
use Launchpad often and access it via the three finger plus thumb pinch.

I think that another clever aspect of Lion is that Apple has maintained 
backward compatibility of keystrokes and mouse clicks. If you don't want to use 
the new gestures, or if you want to phase them in gradually, you can still get 
by using the old keystroke combinations.

I like the full screen view for some apps, like Safari, but prefer to run Mail 
on its own desktop so that responding to an email does not tie up the main 
interface. Pages and Numbers are better in full screen mode for me. Unless I 
need to work on multiple documents, full screen removed distractions. The 
automatic versioning and saving is a breakthrough and I have already benefited 
from versions.

There are some rough edges that I hope will be fixed in OS X 10.7.1. There was 
a lot of pressure to get Lion out the door because it was holding up the 
release of new hardware, so a few things are not as polished as they should be. 
The problems, however, a likely easily fixed over the coming weeks.

* Mail has become unstable. I find that when overloaded it will crash. This 
happens to me about once every two days. Fortunately automatic saving means 
that the most I have lost is two words.
* Safari in full screen mode does not behave properly when one reverse pinch 
zooms in. The text, rather than being laid out afresh and wrapping correctly, 
just extends beyond the edge of the screen.
* I have had some initial trouble reconnecting to my router on wake up, but 
this problem seems to have disappeared by itself. I think the release version 
may have corrected this as I was using the developer GM version until yesterday.

I have submitted reports to Apple for the first two of the above defects -- the 
Mail crash report being automatically generated.

Cheers,
Carlo

On 2011-07-21, at 23:18, rkor...@iinet.net.au wrote:

> 
> Hi Guys
> 
> I have installed it on a new 15" MBP at the office and I will use that for 
> testing, I have only had it up and running for about 2 
> hours now and haven't really formed an opinion as of yet.
> 
> Somethings are quite different and on first impressions I don't like them but 
> I want to see if it grows on me, at the moment I 
> am trying to get our VPN working on it so far its not haha.
> 
> I can imagine that things like the autosave and resume will be very welcome 
> here so will see how I go over the next few 
> weeks testing the applications CS suite, Office and our legacy stuff!!
> 
> Roger
> 
> 
> On Thu Jul 21 23:10 , Daniel Kerr  sent:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Steven
>> 
>> I must admit I do agree with you with some of this.
>> Some thing stand out as being slightly better, but some of it, like you
>> say,..I just can't put my finger on it. For some of it, I thought, it didn't
>> seem as "Apple polished" as it should be. Some things seemed a bit "chunky"
>> or not finished off,..or just something.
>> I can't quite put my finger on it,..but it doesn't seem the "Apple smooth"
>> go the extra mile stand out graphics (or something) that it should be.
>> (And I'm running it on a MacPro with 18GB RAM, 5770 1GB Video card on an
>> Apple 24" LED "current" minDisplay monitor.) So it's not like it's "old
>> gear". And right beside that is the same 24" LED monitor hooked up to my
>> 2011 MacBookPro running Snow Leopard. So it's "same same"),
>> 
>> But yes,..something just doesn't seem as crystal clear.
>> Maybe there's some "tweak settings" or just getting used to the different
>> feel of it.
>> Don't get me wrong,..there's lots of cool things it has and will do.
>> But yes, I do have to admit the same thought as you mentioned.
>> 
>> /Start flame war here :o) lol/
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> 
>> On 21/7/11 4:05 AM, "Steven Knowles" emai...@knowles.net.au> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> After a preliminary play with Lion, my first impression was that it seems to
>>> have taken a step or two backwards in terms of slick Apple interface.
>>> 
>>> I can't put my finger on it, but it ju

Re: Lion - step backwards?

[rkor...@iinet.net.au]

Hi Guys

I have installed it on a new 15" MBP at the office and I will use that for 
testing, I have only had it up and running for about 2 
hours now and haven't really formed an opinion as of yet.

Somethings are quite different and on first impressions I don't like them but I 
want to see if it grows on me, at the moment I 
am trying to get our VPN working on it so far its not haha.

I can imagine that things like the autosave and resume will be very welcome 
here so will see how I go over the next few 
weeks testing the applications CS suite, Office and our legacy stuff!!

Roger


On Thu Jul 21 23:10 , Daniel Kerr  sent:

>
>Hi Steven
>
>I must admit I do agree with you with some of this.
>Some thing stand out as being slightly better, but some of it, like you
>say,..I just can't put my finger on it. For some of it, I thought, it didn't
>seem as "Apple polished" as it should be. Some things seemed a bit "chunky"
>or not finished off,..or just something.
>I can't quite put my finger on it,..but it doesn't seem the "Apple smooth"
>go the extra mile stand out graphics (or something) that it should be.
>(And I'm running it on a MacPro with 18GB RAM, 5770 1GB Video card on an
>Apple 24" LED "current" minDisplay monitor.) So it's not like it's "old
>gear". And right beside that is the same 24" LED monitor hooked up to my
>2011 MacBookPro running Snow Leopard. So it's "same same"),
>
>But yes,..something just doesn't seem as crystal clear.
>Maybe there's some "tweak settings" or just getting used to the different
>feel of it.
>Don't get me wrong,..there's lots of cool things it has and will do.
>But yes, I do have to admit the same thought as you mentioned.
>
>/Start flame war here :o) lol/
>
>Kind regards
>Daniel
>
>
>On 21/7/11 4:05 AM, "Steven Knowles" emai...@knowles.net.au> wrote:
>
>> 
>> After a preliminary play with Lion, my first impression was that it seems to
>> have taken a step or two backwards in terms of slick Apple interface.
>> 
>> I can't put my finger on it, but it just seems to have lost a little of that
>> smooth rounded aqua finesse and polish that I've become used to with Snow
>> Leopard. Somehow Lion seems to be a tad clunkier, maybe just a tiny bit tacky
>> in places. No doubt I'll get used to it. Maybe my expectations were set too
>> high. I'm only talking aesthetics at this stage, I haven't had chance to play
>> with the under-the-hood changes.
>> 
>> Steven
>> 
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Re: Lion - step backwards?

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Steven

I must admit I do agree with you with some of this.
Some thing stand out as being slightly better, but some of it, like you
say,..I just can't put my finger on it. For some of it, I thought, it didn't
seem as "Apple polished" as it should be. Some things seemed a bit "chunky"
or not finished off,..or just something.
I can't quite put my finger on it,..but it doesn't seem the "Apple smooth"
go the extra mile stand out graphics (or something) that it should be.
(And I'm running it on a MacPro with 18GB RAM, 5770 1GB Video card on an
Apple 24" LED "current" minDisplay monitor.) So it's not like it's "old
gear". And right beside that is the same 24" LED monitor hooked up to my
2011 MacBookPro running Snow Leopard. So it's "same same"),

But yes,..something just doesn't seem as crystal clear.
Maybe there's some "tweak settings" or just getting used to the different
feel of it.
Don't get me wrong,..there's lots of cool things it has and will do.
But yes, I do have to admit the same thought as you mentioned.

/Start flame war here :o) lol/

Kind regards
Daniel


On 21/7/11 4:05 AM, "Steven Knowles"  wrote:

> 
> After a preliminary play with Lion, my first impression was that it seems to
> have taken a step or two backwards in terms of slick Apple interface.
> 
> I can't put my finger on it, but it just seems to have lost a little of that
> smooth rounded aqua finesse and polish that I've become used to with Snow
> Leopard. Somehow Lion seems to be a tad clunkier, maybe just a tiny bit tacky
> in places. No doubt I'll get used to it. Maybe my expectations were set too
> high. I'm only talking aesthetics at this stage, I haven't had chance to play
> with the under-the-hood changes.
> 
> Steven
> 
> 
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