Re: >> RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-12-01 Thread Ben Goertzel
>We cannot > ask Feynman, but I actually asked Deutsch. He does not only think QM > is our most basic physical reality (he thinks math and computer > science lie in quantum mechanics), but he even takes quite seriously > his theory of parallel universes! and he is not alone. Speaking by > myself, I

Re: >> RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-12-01 Thread Philip Hunt
2008/12/1 Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > And, science cannot tell us whether QM or some empirically-equivalent, > wholly randomness-free theory is the right one... If two theories give identical predictions under all circumstances about how the real world behaves, then they are not two sepa

Re: >> RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-12-01 Thread Ben Goertzel
> If two theories give identical predictions under all circumstances > about how the real world behaves, then they are not two separate > theories, they are merely rewordings of the same theory. And choosing > between them is arbitrary; you may prefer one to the other because > human minds can visu

Re: [agi] AIXI

2008-12-01 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Philip Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can someone explain AIXI to me? AIXI models an intelligent agent interacting with an environment as a pair of interacting Turing machines. At each step, the agent outputs a symbol to the environment, and the environment outputs a sy

Re: [agi] AIXI

2008-12-01 Thread Jim Bromer
I really appreciate Matt's comments about this even though I am wary of the field. It is important to have some ideas about why the AI problem is so hard, and that insight is best told with some descriptive information like Matt's message. Of course, if no one is asking why then the poster has to

Re: [agi] AIXI

2008-12-01 Thread Philip Hunt
That was helpful. Thanks. 2008/12/1 Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Philip Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Can someone explain AIXI to me? > > AIXI models an intelligent agent interacting with an environment as a pair of > interacting Turing machines. At each step,

Re: [agi] AIXI

2008-12-01 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The value of AIXI is not that it solves the general intelligence problem, but > rather > it explains why the problem is so hard. It doesn't explain why it's hard (is impossible "hard"?). That you can't solve a problem exa

Re: [agi] Seeking CYC critiques

2008-12-01 Thread Steve Richfield
Steve, The KRAKEN paper was quite interesting, and has a LOT in common with my own Dr. Eliza. However, I saw no mention of Dr. Eliza's "secret sauce", that boosts it from answering questions to solving problems given symptoms. The secret sauce has two primary ingredients: 1. The syntax of differe

Re: [agi] Seeking CYC critiques

2008-12-01 Thread Mike Tintner
Steve: I finally gave up on having Dr. Eliza answer questions, because the "round trip error rate" seemed to be inescapably high. This is the product of: ... x.5 English's shortcomings in providing a platform to accurately state the knowledge, question, or answer. Steve, I wonder whether

Re: [agi] Seeking CYC critiques

2008-12-01 Thread Trent Waddington
Is there some reason why so many people on this list can't quote? I guess I should just be thankful that you didn't top post. Trent --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/

Re: [agi] Seeking CYC critiques

2008-12-01 Thread Steve Richfield
Mike, On 12/1/08, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I wonder whether you'd like to outline an additional list of > "English/language's shortcomings" here. I've just been reading Gary Marcus' > Kluge - he has a whole chapter on language's shortcomings, and it would be > v. interesting to

Re: [agi] Seeking CYC critiques

2008-12-01 Thread Stephen Reed
Steve Richfield said: KRAKEN contains lots of good ideas, several of which were already on my wish list for Dr. Eliza sometime in the future. I suspect that a merger of technologies might be a world-beater. I wonder if the folks at Cycorp would be interested in such an effort? If you can find

Re: [agi] Seeking CYC critiques

2008-12-01 Thread Mike Tintner
Steve, Thanks. I was just looking for a systematic, v basic analysis of the problems language poses for any program, which I guess mainly come down to multiplicity - multiple -word meanings -word pronunciations -word spellings -word endings -word fonts -word/letter layout/design -languages [mixe

Re: [agi] Seeking CYC critiques

2008-12-01 Thread Steve Richfield
Mike, More than multiplicity is the issue of discrete-point semantics vs. continuous real-world possibilities. Multiplicity could potentially be addressed by requiring users to put (clarifications) following unclear words (e.g. in response to diagnostic messages to clarify input). Dr. Eliza alread

Re: [agi] Seeking CYC critiques

2008-12-01 Thread Steve Richfield
Steve, If I understand you correctly, Cycorp's code should be *public domain*, and as such, I should be able to simply mine for the features that I am looking for. It sounds like Cycorp doesn't have a useful product (yet) whereas it looks like I do, so it is probably I who should be doing this, no

Re: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-12-01 Thread Eric Burton
Ed, they used to combine ritalin with lsd for psychotherapy. It assists in absorbing insights achieved from psycholitic doses, which is a term for doses that are not fully psychedelic. Those are edifying on their own but are less organized. I don't know if you can get this in a clinical setting tod