Re: [blackbelly] thistle

2006-05-27 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
Thanks for the insight, Terry! I agree that building up the soil makes much better since. We've been bringing in horse manure and doing some other things to try to create a better soil. It will take some time, but I'm not giving up. I did wonder when the rains came, if all was for not! -Renee

Re: [blackbelly] thistle

2006-05-27 Thread Terry Wereb
Be aware, using vinegar ismjust like using anyother herbicide-- if the day is not dry, warm, and sunny, you are wasting the effort-- you kinda have to follow the directions of a the commercial herbicides-- this from an arborist who [refers to use "natural" mathods Terry --- Paul & Renee Bai

Re: [blackbelly] scrapie testing

2006-05-27 Thread Stephanie Parrish
While what you say about only the best surviving difficult environments has merit, I believe there are better ways to select for resistant sheep than overcrowding them. Such as culling the ones that need deworming or frequent medical assistance. I don't know the genetics of all the sheep we h

Re: [blackbelly] thistle

2006-05-27 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
We have very rocky terrain so thistles love certain areas of our property. In the past, Paul has sprayed with Roundup, but I wouldn't let him spray the areas the animals graze. Of course, now the places he sprayed years ago looks greatand the animal grazing areas have thistles! Yes, my sheep

Re: [blackbelly] thistle

2006-05-27 Thread hlang
Keep the sheep in the thistle field and nothing other to eat.They dig even the roots out - Original Message - From: "Nancy Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 2:31 PM Subject: [blackbelly] thistle > We have a field with allot of thistle in it. How do we get

Re: [blackbelly] scrapie testing

2006-05-27 Thread hlang
Why do you think that the Barbados sheep are so fragile, as we see on this list week by week? Because the selection is very difficult if raised in small number. Once the animal is raised in large number, only the best survive. That's why the African sheep, always in contact with wildlife, are ex

Re: [blackbelly] thistle

2006-05-27 Thread Barb Lee
> Another thing you could do disc/rototill the field, then plant > buckwheat to smother out the weeds. You can mow or disc to kill the > buckwheat, then plant more. You can get 2 or 3 plantings of buckwheat > before the frosts come, then re-seed your pasture. This is what I'm > doing this s

[blackbelly] Making Soap

2006-05-27 Thread Barb Lee
Last week, when we butchered our first lamb, I stupidly threw out all that snow white visceral fat with the innards. However when cutting and packaging, I got a brain and saved what was left. Rendered, it ended up being 3 pounds of pure tallow - three pounds of grain, grass, hay and a year's

Re: [blackbelly] thistle

2006-05-27 Thread Julian Hale
At 02:31 PM 5/27/2006, you wrote: >We have a field with allot of thistle in it. How do we get rid of it short >of a shovel and hoe? without hurting the sheep. Is there a spray etc that >can be put on it? Thanks for any ideas. Nancy Well, 2-4,D should kill thistles while leaving the grass alive,

Re: [blackbelly] thistle

2006-05-27 Thread Barb Lee
Nancy, can you mow it to keep it from going to seed? Thistle is an indicator of several soil conditions, depending on what type of thistle you have. Generally speaking it indicates a low to very low level of calcium, high potassium, low humus, and a few other variables. If you can get your s

Re: [blackbelly] scrapie testing/Johnes Long

2006-05-27 Thread Terry Wereb
Barb-- you need to join the "Living off the alnd list" you have it down pat!!! Soil health IS super important to OUR health-- The is an environmental re=term-- called "primary production" which refers to the amount of energy produced directly from the sunlight interaction with plants. If the pl

Re: [blackbelly] thistle

2006-05-27 Thread Cecil Bearden
Some of my sheep eat thistles. If they will eat it, it should be OK... Cecil in Okla - Original Message - From: "Nancy Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: [blackbelly] thistle > > We have a field with allot of thistle in it. How do we get

[blackbelly] thistle

2006-05-27 Thread Nancy Richardson
We have a field with allot of thistle in it. How do we get rid of it short of a shovel and hoe? without hurting the sheep. Is there a spray etc that can be put on it? Thanks for any ideas. Nancy ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Vis

Re: [blackbelly] scrapie testing

2006-05-27 Thread Stephanie Parrish
Well, why would you want to raise any sheep that are crowded and under stress? There really is no reason to raise sheep that way. Stephanie On May 27, 2006, at 12:21 PM, hlang wrote: > I read article of > farmers with small and well protected flocks, how parasite resistant > those > sheep are.

Re: [blackbelly] scrapie testing/Johnes Long

2006-05-27 Thread hlang
Don't like to border too much with my writing. But for years, and Carol remembers that, I tell one thing: Blackbellies need much more copper, up to three times more than wool sheep. For example, with a copper level where a BB just drives well, a Texel would die in a time of three weeks. Now, if

Re: [blackbelly] scrapie testing

2006-05-27 Thread hlang
Very good information, thank you. But: They seem to do better on forage that the woolies do not fare well on. Working with a few thousand hair sheep in different breeds, and on side a 300 wool sheep in different breeds, no way that the average hair sheep even would come close to the production

Re: [blackbelly] scrapie testing/Johnes Long

2006-05-27 Thread Barb Lee
I got sort of heckled off the Shedders list for bringing up mineral imbalances as causes for certain health problems. I got scoffed at because I might be reading Pat Coleby's books on natural animal care. Well, I do read Pat Coleby and she was the one who alerted me to the lack of copper in t

Re: [blackbelly] scrapie testing

2006-05-27 Thread Terry Wereb
Whoa! Are we not trying to breed out the influence of other breeds in the BB? The AB, by accidental design, is a mixed breed, with many of the physical characteristics of the original BB. There are SOME AB breeders wanting to breed for more than just trophy horns-- overall structure, carcass qua

Re: [blackbelly] scrapie testing

2006-05-27 Thread hlang
See, all my African sheep are resistant. And that's enough for me to know.To follow a Government enforced scrapie program, something very different. Wait and see.Johnes disease, which is spreading in Mexico in large and Caribbean breeds not able to cope with, much more important to look at. Ca