Look, this flame bait is really kind of over the top now, isn't it?
Obviously there's a history here, but frankly what that history is
applies only because those involved are choosing to make it do so.
I don't think goading or coy allusions to prior misdeeds by
(apparently) now-banned posters i
On 5/4/05, Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On May 3, 2005, at 8:17 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
>
> > At 09:25 PM Tuesday 5/3/2005, Dave Land wrote:
> >> On May 3, 2005, at 6:32 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
> >>
> >>> At 03:30 PM Tuesday 5/3/2005, Dave Land wrote:
> On May 3, 2005, at 10
On May 3, 2005, at 8:17 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 09:25 PM Tuesday 5/3/2005, Dave Land wrote:
On May 3, 2005, at 6:32 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 03:30 PM Tuesday 5/3/2005, Dave Land wrote:
On May 3, 2005, at 10:45 AM, Horn, John wrote:
Behalf Of God
Try this: ask people like Nick, Erik and
At 09:25 PM Tuesday 5/3/2005, Dave Land wrote:
On May 3, 2005, at 6:32 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 03:30 PM Tuesday 5/3/2005, Dave Land wrote:
On May 3, 2005, at 10:45 AM, Horn, John wrote:
Behalf Of God
Try this: ask people like Nick, Erik and JDG some questions that would
force them to serious
On May 3, 2005, at 6:32 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 03:30 PM Tuesday 5/3/2005, Dave Land wrote:
On May 3, 2005, at 10:45 AM, Horn, John wrote:
Behalf Of God
Try this: ask people like Nick, Erik and JDG some questions that
would
force them to seriously rethink their attitudes and opinions; hold
At 03:30 PM Tuesday 5/3/2005, Dave Land wrote:
On May 3, 2005, at 10:45 AM, Horn, John wrote:
Behalf Of God
Try this: ask people like Nick, Erik and JDG some questions that would
force them to seriously rethink their attitudes and opinions; hold them
accountable for what they say and do on this lis
Dan:
>Frank:
> > The US does not rule the world, the US is not a pappa,
> > and the US is not a police force. The US is just the
> > strongest nation today. An alliance of other nations
> > can be stronger than the US, but at present these
> > nations have different goals. If the US pushes harder,
On Apr 25, 2005, at 10:15 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
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From: "Frank Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The US does not rule the world, the US is not a pappa,
and the US is not a police force. The US is just the
strongest nation today. An alliance of other nations
can be stronger t
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From: "Frank Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 4:36 PM
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> Dan:
> >dland:
>
> > > Dan
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From: "Dave Land" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 8:53 PM
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> In the final analysis, we're not th
At 09:01 PM 4/24/2005 -0700, Dave Land wrote:
>> Now that we've let the DPRK gain nuclear weapons,
>
>Assuming, that is, that the US rules the world, and therefore is in a
>position to "let" or "not let" nations like the DPRK gain nuclear weapons.
The US is the most powerful country in the world.
On Apr 25, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
So, if your argument is that Bush tends to be pigheaded and plow ahead
without regard to other views when he is certain, then I will agree.
But, if it that, for the US to properly consider the views of other
nations, that it must give veto rights over
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From: "Dave Land" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 5:57 PM
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> Your question reminds me that the metaph
On Apr 25, 2005, at 3:16 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
OK, I never meant to advance the criminal justice model for
international relationships. I was merely pointing out a counter
example to the notion that interfering with the actions of another
country presupposes that the leaders of the other country
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From: "Dave Land" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 5:11 PM
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> On Apr 25, 2005, at 2:30 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
&g
On Apr 25, 2005, at 2:30 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:32:37 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
Preventing someone from causing grave harm to us and our allies is
not codependant behavior.
Of course. But how do we decide that someone is about to cause grave
harm?
That's the hard question, n
Dan:
>dland:
> > Dan Wrote:
> >
> > >> On Apr 24, 2005, at 4:03 PM, JDG wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Now that we've let the DPRK gain nuclear weapons,
> > >>
> > >> Assuming, that is, that the US rules the world, and
> > >> therefore is in a position to "let" or "not let"
> > >> nations like the DPRK g
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:32:37 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
> We are lucky in that we can collectively, within the nation, intervene
> with professionals by calling 911 in those cases or reporting suspected
> abuse to authorities.
I think Dave's point was that you can't solve somebody else's problem
I wonder if people forget that China is just next door to North Korea, and
that they even have an alliance. Not that the Chinese like Kim Jong Il so
much, but they'd never tolerate an invasion like the US did in Afghanistan
or Iraq. However the Chinese might topple Kim Jong Il themselves if the USA
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 12:57 AM
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> Dan, et al,
>
> OK, I wrote the whole message below, then real
Dan, et al,
OK, I wrote the whole message below, then realized that I'm getting way
too much into argumentation and not nearly enough into being simple and
clear.
So go ahead and read and tear apart the message that begins with "Dan
Wrote:", but consider this my reply:
The main thing that promte
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful
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> On Apr 24, 2005, at 4:03 PM, JDG wrote:
>
> > Now that we've let the DPRK gain nuclear weap
On Apr 24, 2005, at 4:03 PM, JDG wrote:
> Now that we've let the DPRK gain nuclear weapons,
Assuming, that is, that the US rules the world, and therefore is in a
position to "let" or "not let" nations like the DPRK gain nuclear
weapons. Perhaps we might consider other nations as adults, instead
o
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From: "JDG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 6:03 PM
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> Pray.
>
> Now that we've let the DPRK gain n
At 10:13 PM 4/22/2005 +1000, Andrew Paul wrote:
>JDG wrote
>>
>> At 01:34 PM 4/22/2005 +1000, Andrew Paul wrote:
>> >Dan, it was a rhetorical question. I know why he isn't, and frankly
>very
>> >glad he isn't. But thank you for the refresher. I must learn to put
>more
>> >umm, nuance in my typing
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From: "Andrew Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 1:45 AM
Subject: RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3
Dan Minette wrote
> > From: "Andrew Paul" <[EMAIL PROTE
JDG wrote
>
> At 01:34 PM 4/22/2005 +1000, Andrew Paul wrote:
> >Dan, it was a rhetorical question. I know why he isn't, and frankly
very
> >glad he isn't. But thank you for the refresher. I must learn to put
more
> >umm, nuance in my typing tone.
>
> It clearly wasn't a very good rhetorical ques
At 01:34 PM 4/22/2005 +1000, Andrew Paul wrote:
>Dan, it was a rhetorical question. I know why he isn't, and frankly very
>glad he isn't. But thank you for the refresher. I must learn to put more
>umm, nuance in my typing tone.
It clearly wasn't a very good rhetorical question - and it wasn't the
Dan Minette wrote
> > From: "Andrew Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Poor George, no wonder he looks tired, tossing all night, crying over
> > >the starving Koreans kiddies etc...
> >
> > What I don't understand is, given that I'm pretty sure I already
> mentioned
> > this to you in an earlier di
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From: "Andrew Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 10:34 PM
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Dan Minette
> From: "Andrew Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
&
Dan Minette
> From: "Andrew Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3
>
>
>
> >And why isn't the US invading North Korea?
> >Why is it, as you put it "doing nothing"?
>
> As JDG said, the
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From: "Andrew Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 12:29 AM
Subject: RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3
>And why isn't the US invading North Korea?
>Why is it, as you
On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:23:43 -0400, JDG wrote
> I would respond by noting that you seem to agree that Christians are
> called to do justice. I think that Christians should stop
> dictators if to do so would be justice. For example, if a dictator
> is killing his own citizens, and we have th
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of JDG
>>And why isn't the US invading North Korea?
>>Why is it, as you put it "doing nothing"?
>The calculation has to include the probability of success. While "doing
>nothing' in the DPRK is clearly resulting in the deaths of North Koreans,
>the probabili
At 03:29 PM 4/21/2005 +1000, Andrew Paul wrote:
>> Thus, Nick, we have the situation where choosing to continue
>condemnation
>> and sanctions, etc. would result in the deaths of innocent Iraqis and
>war
>> would result in the death of innocent Iraqis. I think that a great
>many
>> people were ab
JDG
>
> elsewhere.
>
> Thus, Nick, we have the situation where choosing to continue
condemnation
> and sanctions, etc. would result in the deaths of innocent Iraqis and
war
> would result in the death of innocent Iraqis. I think that a great
many
> people were able to judge that war would mos
At 06:54 PM 4/17/2005 -0700, Nick wrote:
>> When, according to our best
>> understanding, we have an opportunity to decrease human suffering
>> and death, when does God call us to let things unfold instead,
>> increasing human suffering and death? When does God call us to say
>> no when people
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