Re: Experimental Python packages

2001-09-07 Thread dman
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 10:00:26AM -0500, Ben Burton wrote: | | > The real problem is making assumptions about what /usr/bin/python is | > beyond what the RefMan says. The same sort of problem occurs if a | > script writer assumes /bin/sh is bash and uses bash-isms rather than | > sticking to the

Re: Experimental Python packages

2001-09-07 Thread Ben Burton
> The real problem is making assumptions about what /usr/bin/python is > beyond what the RefMan says. The same sort of problem occurs if a > script writer assumes /bin/sh is bash and uses bash-isms rather than > sticking to the POSIX specification because /bin/sh could be any POSIX > compliant sh

Re: Experimental Python packages

2001-09-07 Thread dman
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 08:33:28AM -0500, Ben Burton wrote: | | > In any case, Jython and CPython really do need to be able to co-exist | > peacfully. | | They certainly coexist peacefully. No problem there. All I'm saying is that | it doesn't support *.so CPython modules. And this is somehow

Re: Experimental Python packages

2001-09-07 Thread Ben Burton
> In any case, Jython and CPython really do need to be able to co-exist > peacfully. They certainly coexist peacefully. No problem there. All I'm saying is that it doesn't support *.so CPython modules. And this is somehow unavoidable since jython is pure java. So my concern is that if an ad

Re: Experimental Python packages

2001-09-07 Thread dman
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 05:32:12PM -0500, Ben Burton wrote: | | > I think the admin should be able to choose which python implementation | > is referred to by /usr/bin/python independent of which python (or | > python-base if you prefer) packages are installed (the alternatives | > mechanism may b

Re: Experimental Python packages

2001-09-07 Thread dman
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 05:27:18PM -0600, Bruce Sass wrote: | On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Neil Schemenauer wrote: | > dman wrote: | > > I think the admin should be able to choose which python implementation | > > is referred to by /usr/bin/python independent of which python (or | > > python-base if you pre

Re: Experimental Python packages

2001-09-06 Thread Carey Evans
Bruce Sass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > Does Perl go through the same pains as Python with respect to how it > handles code breaking changes? The Perl packages have it both easier and harder. Easier, because Perl users seem to accept more code breakage; harder, because parts of the packa

Re: Experimental Python packages

2001-09-06 Thread Bruce Sass
On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Neil Schemenauer wrote: > Bruce Sass wrote: > > The python-base package gives me python->python2.1, from Python-2.1.1. > > What happens when I point python to python3.0, will pydoc still work. > > What happens when I point /usr/bin/perl to Perl 4? I think I've just > screwed up

Re: Experimental Python packages

2001-09-06 Thread Bruce Sass
On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Neil Schemenauer wrote: > dman wrote: > > I think the admin should be able to choose which python implementation > > is referred to by /usr/bin/python independent of which python (or > > python-base if you prefer) packages are installed (the alternatives > > mechanism may be a g

Re: Experimental Python packages

2001-09-06 Thread Neil Schemenauer
Bruce Sass wrote: > The python-base package gives me python->python2.1, from Python-2.1.1. > What happens when I point python to python3.0, will pydoc still work. What happens when I point /usr/bin/perl to Perl 4? I think I've just screwed up the system pretty badly. Use /usr/local for site spec

Re: Experimental Python packages

2001-09-06 Thread Ben Burton
> I think the admin should be able to choose which python implementation > is referred to by /usr/bin/python independent of which python (or > python-base if you prefer) packages are installed (the alternatives > mechanism may be a good idea for this). [snip] > o Jython or Stackless Just as

Re: Experimental Python packages

2001-09-06 Thread Neil Schemenauer
dman wrote: > I think the admin should be able to choose which python implementation > is referred to by /usr/bin/python independent of which python (or > python-base if you prefer) packages are installed (the alternatives > mechanism may be a good idea for this). There can be any number of > reas

Re: Experimental Python packages

2001-09-06 Thread Bruce Sass
On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Neil Schemenauer wrote: > Bruce Sass wrote: > > On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Neil Schemenauer wrote: > > > Again the package is python-base, not python2.2-base. pydoc depends on > > > python-base_2.1.1 and uses #!/usr/bin/python. I don't see a problem > > > with that. > > > > Except yo

Re: Experimental Python packages

2001-09-06 Thread dman
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 12:38:42PM -0700, Neil Schemenauer wrote: | Bruce Sass wrote: | > On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Neil Schemenauer wrote: | > > Again the package is python-base, not python2.2-base. pydoc depends on | > > python-base_2.1.1 and uses #!/usr/bin/python. I don't see a problem | > > with t

Re: Experimental Python packages

2001-09-06 Thread Neil Schemenauer
Bruce Sass wrote: > On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Neil Schemenauer wrote: > > Again the package is python-base, not python2.2-base. pydoc depends on > > python-base_2.1.1 and uses #!/usr/bin/python. I don't see a problem > > with that. > > Except you don't know which Python /usr/bin/python is. Please thi

Re: Experimental Python packages

2001-09-06 Thread Bruce Sass
On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Neil Schemenauer wrote: > Again the package is python-base, not python2.2-base. pydoc depends on > python-base_2.1.1 and uses #!/usr/bin/python. I don't see a problem > with that. Except you don't know which Python /usr/bin/python is. If you do: /usr/bin/python2.1 or /usr/bin

Re: Experimental Python packages

2001-09-06 Thread Gregor Hoffleit
* Neil Schemenauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010906 16:27]: > Gregor Hoffleit wrote: > > Have you looked at my experimental Python packages, at > > http://people.debian.org/~flight/python/snapshot/ ? I haven't yet tried > > your packages, but it sounds like you started

Re: Experimental Python packages

2001-09-06 Thread Neil Schemenauer
Gregor Hoffleit wrote: > Have you looked at my experimental Python packages, at > http://people.debian.org/~flight/python/snapshot/ ? I haven't yet tried > your packages, but it sounds like you started from scratch ? No, I based them on your python and python2 packages. I've m

Re: Experimental Python packages

2001-09-06 Thread Gregor Hoffleit
* Neil Schemenauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010906 16:01]: > Carey Evans wrote: > > I've had a look at these packages myself. Can you tell us what stage > > they're at, i.e. what still needs to be done, what problems you know > > about and what you want to hear about? > > I thought my first message e

Re: Experimental Python packages

2001-09-06 Thread Neil Schemenauer
Carey Evans wrote: > I've had a look at these packages myself. Can you tell us what stage > they're at, i.e. what still needs to be done, what problems you know > about and what you want to hear about? I thought my first message explained that. Mostly the Depends, Conflicts, Replaces, Provides i

Re: Experimental Python packages

2001-09-06 Thread Carey Evans
Gregor Hoffleit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Have you looked at my experimental Python packages, at > http://people.debian.org/~flight/python/snapshot/ ? I've had a look at these packages myself. Can you tell us what stage they're at, i.e. what still needs to be done,

Re: Experimental Python packages

2001-09-06 Thread Mikael Hedin
Neil Schemenauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > python_2.1.1 > python1.5_1.5.2 > zope2.3.3 Why not python-1.5_1.5.2, zope-2.3.3 and similar binary packages? I think this namenumber scheme is ugly and it looks strange. name-version is more clear IMO. > These create the following binary

Re: Experimental Python packages

2001-09-06 Thread Gregor Hoffleit
opinion since he maintains a lot of these packages. Have you looked at my experimental Python packages, at http://people.debian.org/~flight/python/snapshot/ ? I haven't yet tried your packages, but it sounds like you started from scratch ? Gregor

Experimental Python packages

2001-09-05 Thread Neil Schemenauer
See here: http://people.debian.org/~nas/woody/ The source packages I have are: python_2.1.1 python1.5_1.5.2 zope2.3.3 These create the following binary packages: python-base python-dev python-elisp python-examples python-gdbm python-mpz python-regrte

Second edition of experimental Python packages

1999-06-17 Thread Gregor Hoffleit
There were two significant problems in the first round of the packages I announced yesterday, therefore an silent update: Again, http://www.debian.org/~flight/python/ or deb http://www.debian.org/~flight/python ./ First, I have removed the superfluous idle.1 man pages from all other packag

Experimental Python packages

1999-06-16 Thread Gregor Hoffleit
I have prepared a new revision of Python packages. I would have uploaded them to master, but I'm running into problems with dpkg upgrading (apt seems to work fine). The packages are available via http: http://www.debian.org/~flight/python/ apt should also work: deb http://www.debian.org/~fl