On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 23:31 -0500, Christopher Aillon wrote:
> On 01/13/2006 04:40 PM, Murray Cumming wrote:
> > Yes, any spec would need to be supported by the major players. If GNOME
> > and KDE follow it, there's no reason to think that Firefox and
> > OpenOffice wouldn't. And Firefox uses GTK+
Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 22:38 +0100, Murray Cumming a écrit :
> On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 15:23 +0100, Frederic Crozat wrote:
> > Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 14:56 +0100, Murray Cumming a écrit :
> > > By the way, I think Apple translate in the UI (maybe in the Shell too),
> > > but not on dis
fre, 13 01 2006 kl. 15:00 +0100, skrev Stanislav Brabec:
> Frederic Crozat wrote:
>
> > > The shell is strange, and always will be, whatever we do.
> >
> > Problem is not really shell by itself (well, it can be for support /
> > admin people) but shell scripts..
>
> > Well, we no longer translat
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:21:50 +1100
> From: Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org
> Subject: Re: My Folders [Re: Special folders in gnome]
>
>
>
> > Microsoft have finally [1] said t
On 01/13/2006 04:40 PM, Murray Cumming wrote:
Yes, any spec would need to be supported by the major players. If GNOME
and KDE follow it, there's no reason to think that Firefox and
OpenOffice wouldn't. And Firefox uses GTK+ anyway, so they'd get a lot
for free.
Firefox aims for support with the
Frederic Crozat wrote:
>>I have tried ~/Pictures/.directory, but it seems not to be interpreted.
>>
>>
>
>It is a KDE only stuff, which is quite bad in term of performance,
>because, when reading a directory, it forces file manager to try to open
>each directory in that directory and tries to
On Sad, 2006-01-14 at 04:43 +0800, Abel Cheung wrote:
> About translating on-disk folder name, is there an assumption that
> users either know exactly 1 native language, or bilingual with english
> as 2nd language? How about those who are bilingual in 2 non-english
> languages or those using 3rd lo
> Microsoft have finally [1] said they will drop the patronising "my"
> prefix. I hope you were using it only for example.
>
> I'd much prefer if we could have
> ~/Documents/
> /Templates/
> /Pictures/
> /Videos/
They're also dropping the way they have everything rooted on "My Docu
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 13:16 -0600, Shaun McCance wrote:
[snip]
> Lots of people *do* have "foreign" applications on their system.
> I know we all like to talk about dear old Aunt Tilly, but one of
> the places we've made inroads is the old UNIX workstation market.
> In those markets, the third-part
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 16:59 +0100, Mattias Eriksson wrote:
> fre 2006-01-13 klockan 14:10 + skrev Richard Hughes:
>
> > If the person uses a shell script, or KDE program, and it comes up
> > with /Photos rather than %translation%, then the user should understand
> > it's because they are not u
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 15:23 +0100, Frederic Crozat wrote:
> Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 14:56 +0100, Murray Cumming a écrit :
> > Yeah, you're going to have huge problems with shell scripts if you
> > multiple possible names for folders, which might change underneath them.
> > I wouldn't trust sh
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, HC Brugmans wrote:
> >>Name=My Pictures
> > ^^^
> > Microsoft have finally [1] said they will drop the patronising "my"
> > prefix. I hope you were using it only for example.
> > I'd much prefer if we could have
> > ~/Documents/
> > /Templates/
> > /Pictu
On 1/13/06, Mattias Eriksson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Not translating the on disk folder will result in a strange behavior for
> users of both gnome and non-gnome applications. For those users the
> folder name would be in english in one application and in their native
> language in another a
Alan Horkan wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Stanislav Brabec wrote:
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:15:19 +0100
From: Stanislav Brabec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Frederic Crozat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: Special folders in gnome
Frederic Crozat wr
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 14:10 +, Richard Hughes wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 14:56 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote:
> >
> > By the way, I think Apple translate in the UI (maybe in the Shell
> > too),
> > but not on disk. I'm not sure how that looks when you ssh into an
> > Apple
> > box. Maybe it'
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 14:56 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote:
> > > But if an application's (non-GTK+, non-Qt) file chooser doesn't
> > > translate it, the effect is only that a Chinese person sees an English
> > > folder name. Not the end of the world.
> >
> > I don't agree with you. I think it is ver
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Stanislav Brabec wrote:
> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:15:19 +0100
> From: Stanislav Brabec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Frederic Crozat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org
> Subject: Re: Special folders in gnome
>
> Frederic Cr
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 16:59 +0100, Mattias Eriksson wrote:
> fre 2006-01-13 klockan 14:10 + skrev Richard Hughes:
>
> > If the person uses a shell script, or KDE program, and it comes up
> > with /Photos rather than %translation%, then the user should understand
> > it's because they are not u
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 09:21 +0100, Mattias Eriksson wrote:
> In gnome we currently have a situation where some folders are special,
> like Templates, Pictures and Music. Those are user visible folders that
> in some case have the folder names hard coded in English.
This made me think of something
fre 2006-01-13 klockan 14:10 + skrev Richard Hughes:
> If the person uses a shell script, or KDE program, and it comes up
> with /Photos rather than %translation%, then the user should understand
> it's because they are not using a GNOME program.
>
> Users are not stupid, but that is just my
Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 16:15 +0100, Stanislav Brabec a écrit :
> Frederic Crozat wrote:
> > > - Not translate folder names in filesystem
> > > - Translate them in File selector and Nautilus bookmarks
>
> > I'm still seeing an inconsistency in the file browser. I think they
> > should be tra
Frederic Crozat wrote:
> > - Not translate folder names in filesystem
> > - Translate them in File selector and Nautilus bookmarks
> I'm still seeing an inconsistency in the file browser. I think they
> should be translated there too and not displayed as english folder (same
> as Apple).
We alre
Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 15:41 +0100, Stanislav Brabec a écrit :
> Frederic Crozat wrote:
> > Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 15:00 +0100, Stanislav Brabec a écrit :
>
> > > What about a compromise - translate GTK+/Nautilus bookmarks, something
> > > like places:// but not folder names in /home
Frederic Crozat wrote:
> Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 15:00 +0100, Stanislav Brabec a écrit :
> > What about a compromise - translate GTK+/Nautilus bookmarks, something
> > like places:// but not folder names in /home/user. We do it for Desktop
> > already, and it seems that nobody complains abou
Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 15:00 +0100, Stanislav Brabec a écrit :
> Frederic Crozat wrote:
>
> > > The shell is strange, and always will be, whatever we do.
> >
> > Problem is not really shell by itself (well, it can be for support /
> > admin people) but shell scripts..
>
> > Well, we no lo
Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 14:56 +0100, Murray Cumming a écrit :
> > > > If you don't use the same name on disk and in the UI, you get incorrect
> > > > result as soon as people don't use apps which are able to get the name
> > > > of applications : shell,
> > >
> > > The shell is strange, and
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 14:56 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote:
>
> By the way, I think Apple translate in the UI (maybe in the Shell
> too),
> but not on disk. I'm not sure how that looks when you ssh into an
> Apple
> box. Maybe it's a filesytem thing.
Maybe being a realist here, but we don't currentl
Hi !
> By the way, I think Apple translate in the UI (maybe in the Shell too),
> but not on disk. I'm not sure how that looks when you ssh into an Apple
> box. Maybe it's a filesytem thing.
No, you're right, they only translate in the UI. In the shell, or with
an ssh connexion, you see the untr
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 23:26 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> It's not so much about translation as configuration and known locations.
Yes, I like that feature. I'd just like it to be opt-in, so you know
when there's a chance that the path might be different, so you know that
you are possibly letting yo
Frederic Crozat wrote:
> > The shell is strange, and always will be, whatever we do.
>
> Problem is not really shell by itself (well, it can be for support /
> admin people) but shell scripts..
> Well, we no longer translate Desktop anymore in the latest version of
> GTK File selector.
What abo
> > > If you don't use the same name on disk and in the UI, you get incorrect
> > > result as soon as people don't use apps which are able to get the name
> > > of applications : shell,
> >
> > The shell is strange, and always will be, whatever we do.
>
> Problem is not really shell by itself (we
Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 14:14 +0100, Murray Cumming a écrit :
> On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 13:52 +0100, Frederic Crozat wrote:
> > Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 11:37 +0100, Murray Cumming a écrit :
> > > On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 21:29 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I know that
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 13:52 +0100, Frederic Crozat wrote:
> Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 11:37 +0100, Murray Cumming a écrit :
> > On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 21:29 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > I know that this have been discussed in the past, but no solution was
> > > > reached then.
Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 11:37 +0100, Murray Cumming a écrit :
> On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 21:29 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> >
> >
> > > I know that this have been discussed in the past, but no solution was
> > > reached then. I hope it will be different this time.
> >
> > I strongly agree that
Stanislav Brabec wrote:
Nautilus already has a special folder heuristics - ~/Desktop is
displayed with a different icon.
Let's enhance this, make special icons for them and Add Real name in
Properties.
Perhaps is it the occasion for giving the emblems a real meaning : each
emblem could corre
fre 2006-01-13 klockan 11:37 +0100 skrev Murray Cumming:
> On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 21:29 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> >
> >
> > > I know that this have been discussed in the past, but no solution was
> > > reached then. I hope it will be different this time.
> >
> > I strongly agree that we need a s
> On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 21:29 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> >
> >
> > > I know that this have been discussed in the past, but no solution was
> > > reached then. I hope it will be different this time.
> >
> > I strongly agree that we need a solution for this (something GConf
> > defined would be
Murray Cumming wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 21:29 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> >
> >
> > > I know that this have been discussed in the past, but no solution was
> > > reached then. I hope it will be different this time.
> >
> > I strongly agree that we need a solution for this (something GConf d
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 21:29 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
>
>
> > I know that this have been discussed in the past, but no solution was
> > reached then. I hope it will be different this time.
>
> I strongly agree that we need a solution for this (something GConf defined
> would be perfect for deskto
Mattias Eriksson wrote:
In gnome we currently have a situation where some folders are special,
like Templates, Pictures and Music. Those are user visible folders that
in some case have the folder names hard coded in English.
Also bear in mind that Vista has a standard set of VFolders for these
> I know that this have been discussed in the past, but no solution was
> reached then. I hope it will be different this time.
I strongly agree that we need a solution for this (something GConf defined
would be perfect for desktop/network administrators). Let's do it for 2.16?
Rock on,
- Jeff
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 09:21 +0100, Mattias Eriksson wrote:
> I don't have a perfect solution. But one (not totaly sucky) solution
> could be a solution where special folders are defined in a gconf-setting
> (system/gnome/folders/Pictures are set to the path to the Pictures
> folder, or a list of p
In gnome we currently have a situation where some folders are special,
like Templates, Pictures and Music. Those are user visible folders that
in some case have the folder names hard coded in English.
* Templates need to be called Templates, I think it is nautilus that
requires this. It is not con
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