Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-16 Thread Aidan Skinner
On 1/15/09, Robert Greig wrote: > I buy the argument that a full java multi-protocol bonanza is not > achievable in M5 timeline. And I also agree that one of the key things > users want is a stable product even in unforseen production > circumstances, so flow to disk would seem to be an impor

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-16 Thread Marnie McCormack
Probably not. On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote: > > Is the updated ACL for Java going to be committed for 5? > > Carl. >

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-16 Thread Carl Trieloff
Is the updated ACL for Java going to be committed for 5? Carl.

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-16 Thread Marnie McCormack
I agree, very well put RG ! In terms of the details, can people start assigning Release 5 JIRAs to themselves and scoping them in, please? We can then update the roadmap/feature list from the JIRAs people have identified for inclusion. Regards, Marnie On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Robert Grei

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-15 Thread Carl Trieloff
Robert Greig wrote: 2009/1/15 Aidan Skinner : On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Gordon Sim wrote: If the features on the page for M5 are more, shall we say, aspirational - let's use them as a roadmap for 2009. I'm certainly keen on understanding how our roadmap will take us

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-15 Thread Carl Trieloff
And I really think we should bin this silly Mx release numbering convention:-) +1 For 5 I vote we drop the M. Carl.

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-15 Thread Robert Greig
2009/1/15 Aidan Skinner : > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Gordon Sim wrote: > >>> If the features on the page for M5 are more, shall we say, aspirational - >>> let's use them as a roadmap for 2009. >> >> I'm certainly keen on understanding how our roadmap will take us to the >> point where all

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-15 Thread Aidan Skinner
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Marnie McCormack wrote: > Let's try to narrow this list down a bit for a target M5 timescale ? > > As we've chatted about, I agree we should timebox our releases. But I think > the Doctor might struggle with that lot before end March :-) Obviously it depends on h

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-15 Thread Marnie McCormack
Let's try to narrow this list down a bit for a target M5 timescale ? As we've chatted about, I agree we should timebox our releases. But I think the Doctor might struggle with that lot before end March :-) Bfn, Marnie On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Aidan Skinner wrote: > On Thu, Jan 15, 200

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-15 Thread Aidan Skinner
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Marnie McCormack wrote: > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Aidan Skinner wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Gordon Sim wrote: >> >> >> If the features on the page for M5 are more, shall we say, aspirational >> - >> >> let's use them as a roadmap for 200

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-15 Thread Marnie McCormack
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Aidan Skinner wrote: > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Gordon Sim wrote: > > >> If the features on the page for M5 are more, shall we say, aspirational > - > >> let's use them as a roadmap for 2009. > > > > I'm certainly keen on understanding how our roadmap wil

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-15 Thread Gordon Sim
Aidan Skinner wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Gordon Sim wrote: If the features on the page for M5 are more, shall we say, aspirational - let's use them as a roadmap for 2009. I'm certainly keen on understanding how our roadmap will take us to the point where all Qpid components inte

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-15 Thread Aidan Skinner
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Gordon Sim wrote: >> If the features on the page for M5 are more, shall we say, aspirational - >> let's use them as a roadmap for 2009. > > I'm certainly keen on understanding how our roadmap will take us to the > point where all Qpid components interoperate with

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-15 Thread Carl Trieloff
Gordon Sim wrote: Marnie McCormack wrote: The build window for a March release is around 55 days (allowing for some testing time). Not a huge amount, given utilisation etc. Maybe March is too soon? I would say end April at the latest. Carl.

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-15 Thread Marnie McCormack
Hi, I think (and some of this I wasn't around for) that we had agreed that more was more on the release front. Certainly it gives us more confidence/motivation to keep everything in good shape on trunk (i.e. test it !). For the Java releases, I'd personally rather keep an early & frequent approac

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-15 Thread Gordon Sim
Marnie McCormack wrote: The build window for a March release is around 55 days (allowing for some testing time). Not a huge amount, given utilisation etc. Maybe March is too soon? If the features on the page for M5 are more, shall we say, aspirational - let's use them as a roadmap for 2009.

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-15 Thread Marnie McCormack
Reading this, I think we're danger of being a little over-optimistic for M5 scope. I'd be keen to take a more considered approach to scoping M5, with estimates (very much ballpark) on the existing JIRAs we're looking at implementing. On the Java broker side, we need to focus on robustness and reli

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-15 Thread Aidan Skinner
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Gordon Sim wrote: > One specific question I'd like to raise is getting interop between all > components. I think that is a very important goal. Can we manage it for the > next release? I think the best way to do that would be 0-10 support for the > java broker. A

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-14 Thread Robert Greig
2009/1/14 Gordon Sim : > On the c++ side I would personally like to see a relatively light list of > features (selectors, priorities) with more focus on consolidation (e.g. > ensuring that federation, clustering, ssl, sasl security layers, rdma etc > all work well in combination) and perhaps some

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-14 Thread Gordon Sim
Carl Trieloff wrote: We need to pick a close down date for M5, and then it would be good for everyone to list the key things they want to do for it. I have started a list here: http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/qpid/looking+to+pitch+in Please add / edit as needed. I am thinking close

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-13 Thread Danushka Menikkumbura
Hi Steve, This can also be customized with the MPC tool... Let's talk more about what the ultimate goal of this effort is. The idea is to let anybody having an Express Edition of VS and the Platform SDK installed on his system manage Qpid build with nmake. I strongly believe we should have

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-13 Thread Carl Trieloff
Danushka Menikkumbura wrote: We need to pick a close down date for M5, and then it would be good for everyone to list the key things they want to do for it. I have started a list here: http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/qpid/looking+to+pitch+in Please add / edit as needed. I am thin

RE: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-13 Thread Steve Huston
Hi Danushka, > > We need to pick a close down date for M5, and then it would > be good for > > everyone to list the key things they want to do for it. I > have started a > > list here: > > http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/qpid/looking+to+pitch+in > > > Hi Carl, > > I have started to

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-13 Thread Danushka Menikkumbura
We need to pick a close down date for M5, and then it would be good for everyone to list the key things they want to do for it. I have started a list here: http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/qpid/looking+to+pitch+in Please add / edit as needed. I am thinking close down for M5 in Marc

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-13 Thread Carl Trieloff
Aidan Skinner wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote: We need to pick a close down date for M5, and then it would be good for everyone to list the key things they want to do for it. I have started a list here: http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/qpid/looking+to+p

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-13 Thread Aidan Skinner
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote: > We need to pick a close down date for M5, and then it would be good for > everyone to list the key things they want to do for it. I have started a > list here: > http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/qpid/looking+to+pitch+in Is there a

Re: Planning M5/ or whatever we call it

2009-01-13 Thread Marnie McCormack
Hi Carl, Will update once I've completed some final planning this end. My impression is that the list is large on the Java side with some complex pieces of work. >From my pov, Flow To Disk is getting urgent and more compelling than some other changes - this'd be my choice of big ticket item. Ill