[sabayon-dev] Next Round of Hardened

2012-11-09 Thread Mitch Harder
We need to decide on our next step for rolling out hardened Sabayon. My proposal would be (1) Add all the @system packages to the white list and rebuild them. (2) Add Xorg to the white list during a time period we'll be able to react to any issues. If no issues, (3) From here, go from white-lis

Re: [sabayon-dev] Next Round of Hardened

2012-11-09 Thread Joost Ruis
Fine with me. On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Mitch Harder wrote: > We need to decide on our next step for rolling out hardened Sabayon. > > My proposal would be > > (1) Add all the @system packages to the white list and rebuild them. > (2) Add Xorg to the white list during a time period we'll be

Re: [sabayon-dev] Next Round of Hardened

2012-11-09 Thread Steven Cristian
You sure there won't be any optimization of the code breakage and no performance cost? I'm kinda scared of hardening almost all packages of the system On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Joost Ruis wrote: > Fine with me. > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Mitch Harder > wrote: > > We need to decide

Re: [sabayon-dev] Next Round of Hardened

2012-11-09 Thread Mitch Harder
I've never been able to discern a performance difference between my hardened systems, and my non-hardened systems. I've built up several systems side-by-side, one hardened and the other vanilla, specifically for the purpose of picking up signs of systematic performance issues. But, I'm sure we'll

Re: [sabayon-dev] Next Round of Hardened

2012-11-09 Thread Anthony G. Basile
Can you try a full blown hardening and pass bugs my way, ie open gentoo bug reports. I wouldn't just start black/white listing because somethings might be easy fixes. On 11/09/2012 11:09 AM, Mitch Harder wrote: We need to decide on our next step for rolling out hardened Sabayon. My proposal

Re: [sabayon-dev] Next Round of Hardened

2012-11-09 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On amd64, the perf hit will be minimal. On x86 it will be substantial. On 11/09/2012 02:08 PM, Steven Cristian wrote: You sure there won't be any optimization of the code breakage and no performance cost? I'm kinda scared of hardening almost all packages of the system On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:

Re: [sabayon-dev] Next Round of Hardened

2012-11-09 Thread Steven Cristian
Well, and the gains is more security, should I understand? On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: > On amd64, the perf hit will be minimal. On x86 it will be substantial. > > > On 11/09/2012 02:08 PM, Steven Cristian wrote: > >> You sure there won't be any optimization of the

Re: [sabayon-dev] Next Round of Hardened

2012-11-09 Thread Mitch Harder
Yes, the purpose of hardened sources is enhanced security. On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Steven Cristian wrote: > Well, and the gains is more security, should I understand? > > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Anthony G. Basile > wrote: >> >> On amd64, the perf hit will be minimal. On x86 i

Re: [sabayon-dev] Next Round of Hardened

2012-11-09 Thread Anthony G. Basile
Will you be benchmarking both amd64 and x86? On 11/09/2012 04:12 PM, Mitch Harder wrote: Yes, the purpose of hardened sources is enhanced security. On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Steven Cristian wrote: Well, and the gains is more security, should I understand? On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:07

Re: [sabayon-dev] Next Round of Hardened

2012-11-09 Thread Mitch Harder
At this time, I don't have any specific benchmarking agenda planned. But I do have a x86 and two amd64 side-by-side reference systems for evaluating issues. In the past, I haven't been able to observe a significant performance issue unless I utilized a specially crafted benchmark designed to high