On 2011-05-18 21:52, Mehrdad wrote:
> On 5/18/2011 9:22 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> > On 2011-05-18 20:55, %u wrote:
> >> Hi!
> >>
> >> Is this a bug, or is it intentional that this fails? I can't come up
> >> with any case where it would cause a problem, but the compiler doesn't
> >>
> >> like
On 5/18/2011 9:22 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
On 2011-05-18 20:55, %u wrote:
Hi!
Is this a bug, or is it intentional that this fails? I can't come up
with any case where it would cause a problem, but the compiler doesn't
like the fact that there's a const in the structure:
struct Temp { c
On May 18, 2011, at 5:21 PM, Piotr Szturmaj wrote:
> Jose Armando Garcia wrote:
>>>
>>> If serialization will be clever enough, these fibers could even be shared
>>> across different servers! This is really a requirement in load balanced
>>> environments.
>>>
>>
>> A very old research paper (I
On May 18, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Piotr Szturmaj wrote:
> Sean Kelly wrote:
>>
>> On May 18, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Piotr Szturmaj wrote:
>>
>>> Sean Kelly wrote:
On May 17, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Piotr Szturmaj wrote:
>
> But couldn't Fiber's stack be scanned for references to itself and
>
On 2011-05-18 21:09, Jesse Phillips wrote:
> Jonathan M Davis Wrote:
> > The huge advantage of assert over writeln is that it shows you what the
> > result is supposed to be. If you're reading the code or documentation,
> > that's extremely valuable, whereas writeln is useless. However, if what
> >
On 2011-05-18 20:55, %u wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Is this a bug, or is it intentional that this fails? I can't come up
> with any case where it would cause a problem, but the compiler doesn't
> like the fact that there's a const in the structure:
>
> struct Temp { const int a; int b; }
>
> auto r
Jonathan M Davis Wrote:
> The huge advantage of assert over writeln is that it shows you what the
> result
> is supposed to be. If you're reading the code or documentation, that's
> extremely valuable, whereas writeln is useless. However, if what you're
> concerned about is running the code an
Hi!
Is this a bug, or is it intentional that this fails? I can't come up
with any case where it would cause a problem, but the compiler doesn't
like the fact that there's a const in the structure:
struct Temp { const int a; int b; }
auto ref foo(Temp* t) { return *t; } //Error
On 2011-05-18 12:37, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
> On Wed, 18 May 2011 00:36:26 -0400, Jonathan M Davis
>
> wrote:
> > A minor update with a few corrections: http://is.gd/GNELTZ
> >
> > Naturally, it's also up on my github account:
> > https://github.com/jmdavis/d-
> > programming-language.org/t
On 05/18/2011 08:07 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
I haven't spent the time to figure out github yet!
Hopefully you'll do that soon. You've done great work, and integrating
it is top priority.
Thanks,
Andrei
I haven't spent the time to figure out github yet!
We should finalize the testable doc snippets. Adam, do you think you
could work on a pull request to integrate your work with
d-programming-language.org? You've done some great work that deserves
finalization.
Thanks,
Andrei
Jose Armando Garcia wrote:
If serialization will be clever enough, these fibers could even be shared
across different servers! This is really a requirement in load balanced
environments.
A very old research paper (I think it was for the amoeba project)
wrote a long time ago (I don't remember
> Steven Schveighoffer Wrote:
> > I always wonder about that. One of the issues with assert for people
> > "feeling" out the language is, a passing assert doesn't seem to do
> > anything.
> >
> > For instance, in this example, if you take the code I wrote, and compile
> > it, you'll get a loud ass
1. Background
Hi all, first time posting.
This message is in response to Andrei's first call for feedback on the
proposed std.log interface.
I'm piping up on the log topic because of recent experience using a
logging library ("log4cxx") on a project at work.
I'll attempt to identify our tea
Sean Kelly wrote:
On May 18, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Piotr Szturmaj wrote:
Sean Kelly wrote:
On May 17, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Piotr Szturmaj wrote:
But couldn't Fiber's stack be scanned for references to itself and readjusted?
Without type information, there's no way to be sure that something is ac
Steven Schveighoffer Wrote:
> I always wonder about that. One of the issues with assert for people
> "feeling" out the language is, a passing assert doesn't seem to do
> anything.
>
> For instance, in this example, if you take the code I wrote, and compile
> it, you'll get a loud assertion
Andrei:
> One possibility that I hadn't thought before is to use ";" for
> separating tuple elements. Upon a casual inspection, it turns out no
> statement can be enclosed directly in "(" and ")" so there's no
> ambiguity. It would also take care of the issue "did you mean to pass
> them as fu
On 5/18/11 5:29 PM, jdrewsen wrote:
Den 18-05-2011 16:53, Andrei Alexandrescu skrev:
On 5/18/11 6:07 AM, Jonas Drewsen wrote:
Select will wait for data to be ready and ask curl to handle the data
chunk. Curl in turn calls back to a registered callback handler with the
data read. That handler fi
On 5/18/11 5:34 PM, jdrewsen wrote:
Den 18-05-2011 19:59, Walter Bright skrev:
On 5/18/2011 10:50 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
I sat down to write an announcement to the libcurl mailing list that
we have
support for it starting with 2.053. To my surprise, when I tried to
provide a
link to the
Den 18-05-2011 19:59, Walter Bright skrev:
On 5/18/2011 10:50 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
I sat down to write an announcement to the libcurl mailing list that
we have
support for it starting with 2.053. To my surprise, when I tried to
provide a
link to the documentation, there wasn't any avai
Den 18-05-2011 16:53, Andrei Alexandrescu skrev:
On 5/18/11 6:07 AM, Jonas Drewsen wrote:
Select will wait for data to be ready and ask curl to handle the data
chunk. Curl in turn calls back to a registered callback handler with the
data read. That handler fills the buffer provided by the user.
http://bellard.org/jslinux/
Written in JS, emulates x86 CPU without FPU/MMX/SSE. Linux 2.6.20. Even
has C compiler (tcc)!
Anyone to run some D code on the client side? ;)
On 5/18/11 5:12 PM, Timon Gehr wrote:
Timon Gehr:
Library code should make use of the language to implement its semantics.
Not the other way round.
Why?
Short story: Obvious?
Do you really want to make some non-built-in types more equal than others? Why
would you want to have a dependency
> Timon Gehr:
>
> > Library code should make use of the language to implement its semantics.
> > Not the other way round.
>
> Why?
Short story: Obvious?
Do you really want to make some non-built-in types more equal than others? Why
would you want to have a dependency cycle between std and the com
On 5/18/2011 2:03 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
Having seen quite a few incorrect descriptions of how D slices work
(particularly regarding appending), I wrote an article that tries to
describe how D slices work, and why they behave the way they do.
Being one of the only places where I have we
Asserts are kind of like going to court and interpreting the silence
of the jury as a not guilty verdict. :p
On Wed, 18 May 2011 16:47:47 -0400, Alex_Dovhal
wrote:
Nice article, very pleasured to read. One thing that strained my mind -
this
exaple:
import std.stdio;
char[] fillAs(char[] buf, size_t num)
{
if(buf.length < num)
buf.length = num; // increase buffer length to be able to hold
On Wed, 18 May 2011 16:37:49 -0400, Jesse Phillips
wrote:
Steven Schveighoffer Wrote:
Having seen quite a few incorrect descriptions of how D slices work
(particularly regarding appending), I wrote an article that tries to
describe how D slices work, and why they behave the way they do.
S
Den 18-05-2011 14:52, Johannes Pfau skrev:
Jonas Drewsen wrote:
On 18/05/11 10.09, Johannes Pfau wrote:
jdrewsen wrote:
Please see comments below.
Den 17-05-2011 16:42, Andrei Alexandrescu skrev:
Thanks for the response! A few more answers and comments within
(everything deleted counts as "s
On Wed, 18 May 2011 16:22:50 -0400, Andrej Mitrovic
wrote:
Well consider me enlightened. From all the things I've read before
this article, I thought a slice is a special feature that is only
introduced when you take an [n..m] from an array, e.g. my
understanding was something like:
int[] a
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> Having seen quite a few incorrect descriptions of how D slices work
> (particularly regarding appending), I wrote an article that tries to
> describe how D slices work, and why they
Steven Schveighoffer Wrote:
> Having seen quite a few incorrect descriptions of how D slices work
> (particularly regarding appending), I wrote an article that tries to
> describe how D slices work, and why they behave the way they do.
Still reading, but the example should use assertions whic
Well consider me enlightened. From all the things I've read before
this article, I thought a slice is a special feature that is only
introduced when you take an [n..m] from an array, e.g. my
understanding was something like:
int[] a = new int[5]; // a is definitely a dynamic array
auto b = a[1..3
On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:44:33 -0400, David Gileadi
wrote:
I do have a couple of nits:
Fixed
-Steve
On 5/18/11, David Gileadi wrote:
> There is at least one other place in the document that also make this mistake.
The first sentence! :]
On Wed, 18 May 2011 15:11:56 -0400, Adrien Chauve
wrote:
Hi,
anyone on the alias difference?
I have a feeling that alias needs to be a symbol, and int is a keyword.
a template alias can be any symbol, including a variable, function,
delegate, etc.
Though it does seem unintuitive that
On Wed, 18 May 2011 00:36:26 -0400, Jonathan M Davis
wrote:
A minor update with a few corrections: http://is.gd/GNELTZ
Naturally, it's also up on my github account:
https://github.com/jmdavis/d-
programming-language.org/tree/article_datetime
One comment:
'It should be noted however tha
I'm challenging to fix title issue.
Related issues in bug tracking system:
http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3680
http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4053
http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4253
I think that follows are correct behavior of dmd.
Please point out to
I sat down to write an announcement to the libcurl mailing list that we
have support for it starting with 2.053. To my surprise, when I tried to
provide a link to the documentation, there wasn't any available.
Furthermore, when I tried to generate documentation it came messed up.
Obviously ddo
On 5/18/2011 10:50 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
I sat down to write an announcement to the libcurl mailing list that we have
support for it starting with 2.053. To my surprise, when I tried to provide a
link to the documentation, there wasn't any available.
Furthermore, when I tried to generat
Having seen quite a few incorrect descriptions of how D slices work
(particularly regarding appending), I wrote an article that tries to
describe how D slices work, and why they behave the way they do.
Being one of the only places where I have web space, it's on my
dcollections site, I prob
Can you build a simple hello world program with just:
dmd hello.d
The build can't find the phobos/druntime libraries for linking.
Chris Molozian Wrote:
[Stuff]
Timon Gehr:
> Library code should make use of the language to implement its semantics.
> Not the other way round.
Why?
> Another reason I dislike it: it looks different to other "tuple literals"
> that are already built-in:
>
> foo (note, how, this, is, a, tuple, "!");
Looking different from
Hi,
anyone on the alias difference?
Thanks,
Adrien
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 20:12, Adrien Chauve wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've been playing with templates and I get some (really dumb) questions.
> By the way, I'm using dmd 2.053 64 bits on linux 64 bits.
>
>
> First, I didn't really get the difference b
On 5/18/11 11:03 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
Please, if you have any comments or recommendations, let me know.
First off, this is a fantastic article. Thanks for clearly explaining a
fairly subtle concept. I'm especially happy to finally understand how
appending to a slice can avoid rea
On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:44:33 -0400, David Gileadi
wrote:
On 5/18/11 11:03 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
Please, if you have any comments or recommendations, let me know.
First off, this is a fantastic article. Thanks for clearly explaining a
fairly subtle concept. I'm especially happ
On May 18, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Piotr Szturmaj wrote:
> Sean Kelly wrote:
>> On May 17, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Piotr Szturmaj wrote:
>>>
>>> But couldn't Fiber's stack be scanned for references to itself and
>>> readjusted?
>>
>> Without type information, there's no way to be sure that something is
>
On 5/18/11 8:00 AM, Jose Armando Garcia wrote:
I also think that having competing logging module is a good thing.
This process will result in a better module for phobos and as a result
a better module for the user.
Clearly there are advantages to competing proposals, but I have mixed
feelings
Thanks to everyone for the help and advice on choosing a build tool for
my D+LLVM project. I settled on Jam (ftjam) in the end, the major factor
being cross-platform support and prebuilt binaries for a variety of
operating systems.
The documentation for Jam I've found is very lacking but have
On 2011-05-18 10:46:19 -0400, Timon Gehr said:
Given that reference types do not support the semantics asked for at all (with
transitive const/immutable), I think this is as consistent as it can get. (also
way better than "obj" all over the place.)
Am I correct when I assume that, if Foo is a c
Sean Kelly wrote:
On May 17, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Piotr Szturmaj wrote:
Sean Kelly wrote:
On May 11, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Piotr Szturmaj wrote:
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
* can you implement save() to make this a forward range (e.g. by
creating a new fiber that has its own state)?
It is not tha
On 5/18/11 6:07 AM, Jonas Drewsen wrote:
Select will wait for data to be ready and ask curl to handle the data
chunk. Curl in turn calls back to a registered callback handler with the
data read. That handler fills the buffer provided by the user. If not
enough data has been receive an new select
> On 2011-05-17 23:48:35 -0400, Andrej Mitrovic
> said:
>
> > So how do functions which take such a parameter look like?
>
> What do you mean by what they'll look like? They'll look like how you
> wrote them. I'm not sure I understand the question... but I'll still
> try to answer.
>
>
> > void ba
On 5/16/2011 10:37 PM, Matthew Ong wrote:
Hi All,
The reason I am starting this thread is to gather some valid/experience that
people do not like about using Go or even Java. Naturally D-programming might
not wants to repeat the same error.
Java:
1) Swing API --- The inheritance tree is too dee
On 2011-05-17 23:48:35 -0400, Andrej Mitrovic
said:
So how do functions which take such a parameter look like?
What do you mean by what they'll look like? They'll look like how you
wrote them. I'm not sure I understand the question... but I'll still
try to answer.
void bar(ref Foo a, c
This is a review of std.log. Overall, I really like the API exposed by
this module because it allows efficient compile time and run time
configuration. I have limited the review to the API and how the API
affects the implementation. I will review the implementation once the
API is close to final.
> Timon Gehr:
>
>> Tuple literals would indeed be very nice.
>
> I have asked for tuple unpacking syntax (and other things like some support
> from
the type system). Tuple literals are less needed.
>
>> (having syntactic sugar for phobos functionality in the language
>> seems like a very bad desig
std.logging is still alive! After posting my first attempt at a
logging module I went back and spent a lot of time on how I could
improve the API. I would like to say that Andrei's std.log module had
a great influence on the final outcome. There are some aspect of
std.log's API that I really like.
Jonas Drewsen wrote:
>On 18/05/11 10.09, Johannes Pfau wrote:
>> jdrewsen wrote:
>>> Please see comments below.
>>>
>>> Den 17-05-2011 16:42, Andrei Alexandrescu skrev:
Thanks for the response! A few more answers and comments within
(everything deleted counts as "sounds great").
On Wed, 18 May 2011 02:20:16 -0400, Christopher the Magnificent
wrote:
On 5/17/11 9:07 PM, Michel Fortin wrote:
For
another, it's perfectly in line with how you do it for pointers. Also,
it'll work for 'shared' and 'inout' too (once 'inout' works properly).
Are you saying that objconst and
On 2011-05-18 12:32, gölgeliyele wrote:
On 5/18/11 5:30 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
You can have a look at my serialization library, Orange:
http://www.dsource.org/projects/orange
I don't think it works with the latest compilers but you have have a
look at the source:
http://www.dsource.org/proj
On Tue, 17 May 2011 21:26:38 -0400, Jesse Phillips
wrote:
Syntax has definitely been a major problem for this feature. Walter's
stance has been that he has tried many times to get the semantics and
syntax to work and has given up. michelf (Sorry don't know his real
name) has created a b
On 18.05.2011 12:12, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> To my knowledge, using the system's monotonic clock is the absolute best that
> you're going to get for stuff like benchmarking.
It depends. If system is not busy, then it doesn't really matter - which
clock to use, especially if you take average
On 18/05/11 10.09, Johannes Pfau wrote:
jdrewsen wrote:
Please see comments below.
Den 17-05-2011 16:42, Andrei Alexandrescu skrev:
Thanks for the response! A few more answers and comments within
(everything deleted counts as "sounds great").
On 5/17/11 3:50 AM, Jonas Drewsen wrote:
14. Isn'
On 5/18/11 5:30 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
You can have a look at my serialization library, Orange:
http://www.dsource.org/projects/orange
I don't think it works with the latest compilers but you have have a
look at the source:
http://www.dsource.org/projects/orange/browser/orange/util/Reflectio
const(deref(Object)) ref obj;
deref(Object) a; //hehe.
On 2011-05-18 02:13, Alexander wrote:
> On 18.05.2011 01:18, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> > A monotonic clock is as good as you're going to get for accurate
> > stopwatch functionality. The system cannot possibly do any better than
> > that. Context switching can always get in the way. Increasing prec
On 2011-05-18 01:47, Mehrdad wrote:
Is there any (hacky) way of accessing a private field from outside a
data type? (The equivalent of reflection in managed languages.)
I'm trying to write a piece of marshaling code that needs access to a
data type's fields, but can't access them because it's no
On 18.05.2011 01:18, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> A monotonic clock is as good as you're going to get for accurate stopwatch
> functionality. The system cannot possibly do any better than that. Context
> switching can always get in the way. Increasing precision doesn't help that.
Probably, you
On 2011-05-17 22:15, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 5/17/11 4:02 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On 2011-05-16 02:05, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Thanks for your work.
I think there's an important distinction to be made. There are two
"API"s being discussed. One is the client interface and the other i
jdrewsen wrote:
>Please see comments below.
>
>Den 17-05-2011 16:42, Andrei Alexandrescu skrev:
>> Thanks for the response! A few more answers and comments within
>> (everything deleted counts as "sounds great").
>>
>> On 5/17/11 3:50 AM, Jonas Drewsen wrote:
14. Isn't the max redirect configu
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