Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2

2017-05-05 Thread Ozi Traveller
Hi - free and non-free firmware packages are now included in desktop-live and minimal-live isos. A script to remove all non-free firmware packages from running live images is provided in /root Does this also mean that the non-free packages are in the non-free repo? Ozi On Fri, May 5, 2017 a

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2

2017-05-05 Thread Dan Purgert
On 05/04/2017 11:54 PM, Veteran Unix Admins wrote: > > Dear Init Freedom Lovers, > > Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! > > Just two weeks after the release of Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC, we are > happy to announce Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2. Thanks to the very good > feedback received from

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2

2017-05-05 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 5 May 2017 05:54:32 +0200, Veteran wrote in message <20170505035432.htqylwtk7bef35hn@reflex>: > > Dear Init Freedom Lovers, > > Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! > > Just two weeks after the release of Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC, we are > happy to announce Devuan Jessie 1.0.0

[DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2

2017-05-04 Thread Veteran Unix Admins
Dear Init Freedom Lovers, Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! Just two weeks after the release of Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC, we are happy to announce Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2. Thanks to the very good feedback received from the community, this release candidate is one step closer to our fi

Re: [DNG] devuan install experience

2017-04-28 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 11:01:11AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: [cut] > > ..I disagree on your implied "just fallback", it's good enough as > > The Standard for production systems, has anyone seen it fail? > > AFAIK no, but needs more battle-testing and experienced opinions > before we reach a conclus

Re: [DNG] devuan install experience

2017-04-28 Thread Jaromil
On Thu, 27 Apr 2017, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 00:13:43 +0200, Jaromil wrote in message > <20170426221343.5xrmd2uyhoxa3mmr@reflex>: > > > On Wed, 26 Apr 2017, KatolaZ wrote: > > > > > in Devuan minimal-live there is a simple dialog tool called > > > "setnet.sh" which helps with

Re: [DNG] devuan install experience

2017-04-26 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 00:13:43 +0200, Jaromil wrote in message <20170426221343.5xrmd2uyhoxa3mmr@reflex>: > On Wed, 26 Apr 2017, KatolaZ wrote: > > > in Devuan minimal-live there is a simple dialog tool called > > "setnet.sh" which helps with basic network setup. It's not yet in > > the Devuan repo

Re: [DNG] devuan install experience

2017-04-26 Thread Jaromil
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017, KatolaZ wrote: > in Devuan minimal-live there is a simple dialog tool called > "setnet.sh" which helps with basic network setup. It's not yet in the > Devuan repos (and that's mainly my fault: wil put it in experimental > tonight), but you can get the deb package here: > >

Re: [DNG] devuan install experience

2017-04-26 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:37:13PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: > Devuan Jessie installed without an issue on my Panasonic Toughbook CF-19. > The main user experience issue so far is that it doesn't seem to install > any way to handle wifi, and *wicd* doesn't seem ready for prime time as a > WiFi man

Re: [DNG] devuan install experience

2017-04-26 Thread Joachim Fahrner
Am 2017-04-26 21:37, schrieb Bruce Perens: Devuan Jessie installed without an issue on my Panasonic Toughbook CF-19. The main user experience issue so far is that it doesn't seem to install any way to handle wifi, and WICD doesn't seem ready for prime time as a WiFi manager. wicd works fine

[DNG] devuan install experience

2017-04-26 Thread Bruce Perens
Devuan Jessie installed without an issue on my Panasonic Toughbook CF-19. The main user experience issue so far is that it doesn't seem to install any way to handle wifi, and *wicd* doesn't seem ready for prime time as a WiFi manager. Am I missing something? In particular, it's not as easy to use

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

2017-04-24 Thread golinux
On 2017-04-24 23:43, Joachim Fahrner wrote: Am 2017-04-21 18:14, schrieb Veteran Unix Admins: # Downloads Official Devuan images are distributed via the website (https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_rc/) To ease the load on our bandwidth we kindly ask you to use one of the following mirrors

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

2017-04-24 Thread Joachim Fahrner
Am 2017-04-21 18:14, schrieb Veteran Unix Admins: # Downloads Official Devuan images are distributed via the website (https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_rc/) To ease the load on our bandwidth we kindly ask you to use one of the following mirrors: Is there no longer a torrent for download

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

2017-04-23 Thread メット
On 2017年4月23日 16:19:10 JST, Jaromil wrote: > > >On 23 April 2017 04:35:55 CEST, "メット" wrote: >> >> >>On 2017年4月22日 23:26:47 JST, Thaddeus Nielsen >>wrote: >>>On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 18:14:08 +0200 >>>Veteran Unix Admins wrote: >>> Dear Init Freedom Lovers, >>> >> >> >>>Please advise if

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

2017-04-23 Thread Jaromil
On 23 April 2017 04:35:55 CEST, "メット" wrote: > > >On 2017年4月22日 23:26:47 JST, Thaddeus Nielsen >wrote: >>On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 18:14:08 +0200 >>Veteran Unix Admins wrote: >> >>> Dear Init Freedom Lovers, >>> >> > > >>Please advise if there is any difference between this release >candidate >>and

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

2017-04-22 Thread メット
On 2017年4月22日 23:26:47 JST, Thaddeus Nielsen wrote: >On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 18:14:08 +0200 >Veteran Unix Admins wrote: > >> Dear Init Freedom Lovers, >> >> Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! >> >> Our April 2017 gift to you is the long-awaited release of Devuan >> Jessie stable relea

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

2017-04-22 Thread Thaddeus Nielsen
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 18:14:08 +0200 Veteran Unix Admins wrote: > Dear Init Freedom Lovers, > > Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! > > Our April 2017 gift to you is the long-awaited release of Devuan > Jessie stable release candidate (1.0.0-RC). If all goes as planned, > this will be

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

2017-04-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 18:14:08 +0200, Veteran wrote in message <20170421161408.ngq4cc7ee2lsy43a@reflex>: > Official Devuan images are distributed via the website > (https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_rc/) ..er, try a new upload of devuan_jessie_1.0.0-RC_amd64_DVD.list.gz, zless output: " 302 F

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

2017-04-21 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Dear Veteran Unix Admins, dear Devuan developers and testers, Veteran Unix Admins - 21.04.17, 18:14: > Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! > > Our April 2017 gift to you is the long-awaited release of Devuan > Jessie stable release candidate (1.0.0-RC). If all goes as planned, > this w

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

2017-04-21 Thread Emiliano Marini
Great work!! On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Svante Signell wrote: > On Fri, 2017-04-21 at 18:14 +0200, Veteran Unix Admins wrote: > > Dear Init Freedom Lovers, > > > > Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! > > > > Our April 2017 gift to you is the long-awaited release of Devuan > > Je

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

2017-04-21 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2017-04-21 at 18:14 +0200, Veteran Unix Admins wrote: > Dear Init Freedom Lovers, > > Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! > > Our April 2017 gift to you is the long-awaited release of Devuan > Jessie stable release candidate (1.0.0-RC). If all goes as planned, > this will be ou

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

2017-04-21 Thread Don Wright
Veteran Unix Admins wrote: >Our April 2017 gift to you is the long-awaited release of Devuan >Jessie stable release candidate (1.0.0-RC). If all goes as planned, >this will be our first Devuan stable release and our first long term >support (LTS) release as well. \o/ dance-dance-dance \o/ -- Thank

[DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

2017-04-21 Thread Veteran Unix Admins
Dear Init Freedom Lovers, Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! Our April 2017 gift to you is the long-awaited release of Devuan Jessie stable release candidate (1.0.0-RC). If all goes as planned, this will be our first Devuan stable release and our first long term support (LTS) release

Re: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 RC and DistroWatch

2017-04-16 Thread Jaromil
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote: > How can you advertise to Devuan 1.0 RC in DistroWatch? the release canidate is not yet out. I will be announced on tuesday. Distrowatch journalists pick up regularly on our announcements which are circulated via the official devian-announce ma

[DNG] Devuan 1.0 RC and DistroWatch

2017-04-15 Thread Ismael L. Donis Garcia
How can you advertise to Devuan 1.0 RC in DistroWatch? Best Regrards | ISMAEL | ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry-Pi ?

2017-03-27 Thread Ron
On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 15:36:13 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > > > > > > https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/embedded/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta2_arm64_raspi3.img.xz > > > > > Would it run on the RP-2 ? > Nope, since that one is an arm64 image. For the rpi2 you should use: > devuan_jessie_1.0

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry-Pi ?

2017-03-27 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 10:21:27AM -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 14:21:58 +0100 > KatolaZ wrote: > > > > > https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/embedded/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta2_arm64_raspi3.img.xz > > Would it run on the RP-2 ? > Nope, since that one is an arm6

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry-Pi ?

2017-03-27 Thread Ron
On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 14:21:58 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > > https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/embedded/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta2_arm64_raspi3.img.xz Would it run on the RP-2 ? Cheers, Ron. -- Physics is like sex: sure, it may gi

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry-Pi ?

2017-03-27 Thread Stefan Mark
On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 14:21:58 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 09:12:11AM -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > ISTR having seen a mention of this go past, I now have a Raspberry > > Pi, and cannot find where to download it ;-3( > > > > Does it still exist ? > > Hi Renaud, > > It s

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry-Pi ?

2017-03-27 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 09:12:11AM -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > ISTR having seen a mention of this go past, I now have a Raspberry Pi, and > cannot find where to download it ;-3( > > Does it still exist ? Hi Renaud, It should still be there: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/em

[DNG] Devuan for Raspberry-Pi ?

2017-03-27 Thread Ron
ISTR having seen a mention of this go past, I now have a Raspberry Pi, and cannot find where to download it ;-3( Does it still exist ? Cheers, Ron. -- Toddlers are the stormtroopers of the Lord of Entropy.

Re: [DNG] Devuan on a qemu VM guest

2017-03-23 Thread Ralph Ronnquist
Steve Litt wrote on 2017-03-23 06:02: [snip] NETWORKING DOESN'T WORK --- [snip] I've found it easiest to set up a host "tap", owned by user, for networking, with a couple of iptables rules, and a dnsmasq for dhcp service (not dns) on the tap. Then I can run my qemu VM as

Re: [DNG] Devuan on a qemu VM guest

2017-03-23 Thread Miroslav Rovis
On 170322-18:35-1000, Joel Roth wrote: > Hi Steve, > > Thanks for the pointers. > > Steve Litt wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > By the time you take into account host OS distro and hardware, every > > setup is unique. For those whose situation is anything like mine, > > running Devuan as a Qemu guest

Re: [DNG] Devuan on a qemu VM guest

2017-03-23 Thread Joel Roth
Joel Roth wrote: > > 1. Mouse pointer won't leave VM window, even if you press Right+Ctrl > > When I run qemu, Ctrl+Alt is the key combination to leave the VM. > > The option '-usbdevice tablet' permits the guest to get the > cursor position without grabbing the mouse. In practice, I > can click

Re: [DNG] Devuan on a qemu VM guest

2017-03-22 Thread Joel Roth
Hi Steve, Thanks for the pointers. Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > By the time you take into account host OS distro and hardware, every > setup is unique. For those whose situation is anything like mine, > running Devuan as a Qemu guest VM is difficult. So let me tell you two > must-know difficu

[DNG] Devuan on a qemu VM guest

2017-03-22 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, By the time you take into account host OS distro and hardware, every setup is unique. For those whose situation is anything like mine, running Devuan as a Qemu guest VM is difficult. So let me tell you two must-know difficulties I've learned, and the workaround for each: 1. Mouse pointer

[DNG] Devuan on Odroid C2

2017-02-16 Thread Joachim Fahrner
I just installed Devuan on Odroid C2 with success. Install Maverics Debian Jessie: http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?t=19403 Then follow this guide: https://talk.devuan.org/t/migrating-from-debian-to-a-minimalist-devuan/181 -- Mit besten Grüßen Joachim Fahrner __

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

2017-02-06 Thread Jochen Fahrner
Am 06.02.2017 um 12:11 schrieb Jaromil: > The main reasons why Devuan acts like Debian in this case is that in > Jessie we only operate to remove systemd, nothing else changes, while > we still rely heavily on Debian for the bulk of binary builds. > Ok, I see it's Debians fault for the improper ar

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

2017-02-06 Thread Jaromil
dear Jochen, tl;dr - just like Debian does, we do recommend using Raspian on rpi1 boards version 1 to take full advantage of their rather strange architecture. > On Mon, Feb 06, 2017 at 11:18:41AM +0100, Jochen Fahrner wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > The only option I have: install from scratch wi

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

2017-02-06 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Feb 06, 2017 at 11:18:41AM +0100, Jochen Fahrner wrote: [cut] > > The only option I have: install from scratch with Devuans "armel" Image. > But this is not really an option, I will loose hardfloat, making my PI > even more slower than it already is. So I stay with Raspbian Jessie. >

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

2017-02-06 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Feb 06, 2017 at 11:18:41AM +0100, Jochen Fahrner wrote: > Am 06.02.2017 um 09:22 schrieb KatolaZ: > > Like, for the same reason why you use packages compiled for amd64 with > > your shiny Intel i5, despite you could have used packages compiled for > > an i486 back in 1994? :) > > > > That'

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

2017-02-06 Thread Jochen Fahrner
Am 06.02.2017 um 09:22 schrieb KatolaZ: > Like, for the same reason why you use packages compiled for amd64 with > your shiny Intel i5, despite you could have used packages compiled for > an i486 back in 1994? :) > That's exactly the point. Nobody comes up with the idea to compile packages for the

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

2017-02-06 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Feb 06, 2017 at 06:32:54AM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote: > Am 05.02.2017 um 22:34 schrieb KatolaZ: > > Because that image is an armv6 + hard float, so it works > > everywhere. > > > > > > So why are the Devuan Images not compiled the same way? > Like, for the same reason why you use packages

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

2017-02-05 Thread J. Fahrner
Am 05.02.2017 um 22:34 schrieb KatolaZ: > Because that image is an armv6 + hard float, so it works > everywhere. > > So why are the Devuan Images not compiled the same way? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/m

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

2017-02-05 Thread KatolaZ
On Sun, Feb 05, 2017 at 10:02:21PM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote: [cut] > > But thats without hardfloat. What I need is ARMv6 with hardfloat. I'm > wondering why Raspbian has only one Image that works with all. How do > they do that? > https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/ > Because that image is a

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

2017-02-05 Thread Florian Zieboll
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 22:02:21 +0100 "J. Fahrner" wrote: > But thats without hardfloat. What I need is ARMv6 with hardfloat. I'm > wondering why Raspbian has only one Image that works with all. How do > they do that? > https://www.raspberrypi.org/dow

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

2017-02-05 Thread J. Fahrner
Am 05.02.2017 um 18:58 schrieb Florian Zieboll: > > "Raspbian armhf" is a special build for rpi1: ARMv6 with hardfloat > support. This is the actual reason for Raspian's existence, as the > common "armhf" builds are compiled for ARMv7. ok, that explains the segmentation faults on my PI1 model B.

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

2017-02-05 Thread Florian Zieboll
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 18:36:29 +0100 "J. Fahrner" wrote: > Strange. Mine is a PI 1 Model B. (armhf architecture). Maybe the > current packages are not compatible with that? But original Raspbian > Jessie (armhf) works fine. Only Devuan has segmentatio

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

2017-02-05 Thread KatolaZ
On Sun, Feb 05, 2017 at 05:51:54PM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote: > Hello, > > has someone had success in installing Devuan on Raspberry Pi? > > My first attempt was to upgrade from Raspbian Wheezy following this guide: > > https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Upgrade-to-Devu

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

2017-02-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Feb 05, 2017 at 06:36:29PM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote: > > > Am 05.02.2017 um 18:23 schrieb Florian Zieboll: > > > > > > Both ways it worked like a charm. > > > > Strange. Mine is a PI 1 Model B. (armhf architecture). Maybe the current > packages are not compatible with that? But original R

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

2017-02-05 Thread J. Fahrner
Am 05.02.2017 um 18:23 schrieb Florian Zieboll: > > > Both ways it worked like a charm. > Strange. Mine is a PI 1 Model B. (armhf architecture). Maybe the current packages are not compatible with that? But original Raspbian Jessie (armhf) works fine. Only Devuan has segmentation faults. -- Mit

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

2017-02-05 Thread Florian Zieboll
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 17:51:54 +0100 "J. Fahrner" wrote: > has someone had success in installing Devuan on Raspberry Pi? I have Devuan armhf running on a rpi2, installed from the first Beta image - here the link to my li'l HOWTO [1]. Some time bef

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

2017-02-05 Thread etech3
On 02/05/2017 11:51 AM, J. Fahrner wrote: [snip] has someone had success in installing Devuan on Raspberry Pi? Havn't gotten around to Pi yet, But did have a Acer laptop with no cd/dvd. I installed from a external usb cd/dvd, and I copyies the beta2 iso to usb and installed that way. justmy2c

[DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

2017-02-05 Thread J. Fahrner
Hello, has someone had success in installing Devuan on Raspberry Pi? My first attempt was to upgrade from Raspbian Wheezy following this guide: https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan Did not work, segmentation fault in some package installation script.

Re: [DNG] Devuan and oss(4)

2017-02-03 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Fr den 3. Feb 2017 um 23:32 schrieb KatolaZ: > > Am Fr den 3. Feb 2017 um 11:12 schrieb KatolaZ: > > > Meaning: help supporting what you would like to see working in Devuan, > > > whatever it is. If you have working OSS packages, it would be goo

Re: [DNG] Devuan and oss(4)

2017-02-03 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 09:57:03PM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Am Fr den 3. Feb 2017 um 11:12 schrieb KatolaZ: > > Meaning: help supporting what you would like to see working in Devuan, > > whatever it is. If you have working OSS packages, it

Re: [DNG] Devuan and oss(4)

2017-02-03 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Fr den 3. Feb 2017 um 11:12 schrieb KatolaZ: > Meaning: help supporting what you would like to see working in Devuan, > whatever it is. If you have working OSS packages, it would be good to > upload them on the Devuan gitlab, and then help integr

Re: [DNG] Devuan and oss(4)

2017-02-03 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 10:12:41AM +, KatolaZ wrote: [cut] > > I want to see angband-4 in Debian. I will be packaging it shortly, and I actually meant Devuan, but the .deb will be installable on any Debian-based system, indeed :) HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT

Re: [DNG] Devuan and oss(4)

2017-02-03 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 10:45:26AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hi Folks, > > Am Fr den 3. Feb 2017 um 8:51 schrieb KatolaZ: > > > Compared to that, OSS always work with high quality sound. > > > > > > I wonder if Devuan will stay with free

Re: [DNG] Devuan and oss(4)

2017-02-03 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi Folks, Am Fr den 3. Feb 2017 um 8:51 schrieb KatolaZ: > > Compared to that, OSS always work with high quality sound. > > > > I wonder if Devuan will stay with free software like debian was long > > time ago and let the user choose what to use

Re: [DNG] Devuan and oss(4)

2017-02-03 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Klaus Ethgen writes: I wonder if Devuan will stay with free software like debian was long time ago and let the user choose what to use or if it follows debian in only supporting one (non-working) sound system. There are two questions here. Open source support is limited by a) volunteer availab

Re: [DNG] Devuan and oss(4)

2017-02-02 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 08:28:10AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: [cut] > > Compared to that, OSS always work with high quality sound. > > I wonder if Devuan will stay with free software like debian was long > time ago and let the user choose what to use or if it follows debian in > only supporting

[DNG] Devuan and oss(4)

2017-02-02 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hello folks, debian stopped working oss under most current wine. That brings me to the question which way Devuan is going respective fredom to choose sound system. Backround is, that alsa never worked for me. The best I was able to get out was some

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-12-05 Thread fsmithred
On 12/04/2016 10:26 PM, Robert Storey wrote: > I wrote: > >> Refracta saved the day! Thank goodness it exists, or else I would >> not be able to install Devuan on any of my machines. Please note >> that with Refracta, I did not need to set up networking at all >> during the installation, but Wicd

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-12-04 Thread Robert Storey
I wrote: > Refracta saved the day! Thank goodness it exists, or else I would > not be able to install Devuan on any of my machines. Please note > that with Refracta, I did not need to set up networking at all > during the installation, but Wicd was there on the first boot and > getting wifi workin

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-12-04 Thread Robert Storey
It pains me to say this, but the installation program for Devuan Beta2 is seriously broken. And I say this not as some kind of troll, but rather as a Devuan enthusiast who has already been running Devuan as my main system for six months. The whole problem is getting networking set up either during

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-12-04 Thread Ralph Ronnquist
Yes, it's cute but sad to see all those defensive systemd-ers making their usual nonsense fuss. Ralph. Florian Zieboll wrote on 05/12/16 05:31: For those who haven't noticed yet: The Beta2 has hit slashdot (via theregister.co.uk), low level pillow fight included. https://linux.slashdot.org/s

[DNG] Devuan Distrowatch - Development Release: Devuan GNU+Linux 1.0.0 Beta 2

2016-12-04 Thread Ozi Traveller
https://distrowatch.com/ https://distrowatch.com/?newsid=09654 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-12-04 Thread Florian Zieboll
For those who haven't noticed yet: The Beta2 has hit slashdot (via theregister.co.uk), low level pillow fight included. https://linux.slashdot.org/story/16/12/04/0142242/devuans-systemd-free-linux-hits-beta-2 Libre Grüße, Florian ___ Dng mailing list

[DNG] Devuan 1.0 Jessie beta 2: That’s Debian Jessie minus systemd

2016-12-03 Thread Ozi Traveller
Hi I thought I'd post this in case anyone missed it! http://linuxbsdos.com/2016/12/01/devuan-1-0-jessie-beta-2-thats-debian-jessie-minus-systemd/ Ozi! :) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-11-30 Thread Dan Purgert
On 11/30/2016 05:24 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 08:53:41AM -0500, Dan Purgert wrote: >> Just to make sure I've not made a mess of things (been a while since >> I've done the debian-style inplace update), someone mind >> double-checking the result of my dist-upgrade / source

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-11-30 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 08:53:41AM -0500, Dan Purgert wrote: > Just to make sure I've not made a mess of things (been a while since > I've done the debian-style inplace update), someone mind > double-checking the result of my dist-upgrade / sources.list? Looks good to me. Greg -- web site: htt

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-11-30 Thread Philippe Baret
I trust this is not recommanded to upgrade from a Debian Testing system using “Ascii” in the source list Have a nice day Philippe Le mer. 30 nov. 2016 à 14:53, Dan Purgert a écrit : Quoting Emiliano Marini : Sorry: https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/home Bril

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-11-30 Thread Dan Purgert
Quoting Emiliano Marini : Sorry: https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/home Brilliant! Thanks! Must've missed it in my perusal of the info. Looks like there were only about 45 things that needed updated here. Just to make sure I've not made a mess of things (be

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-11-30 Thread Dan Purgert
Quoting Clarke Sideroad : Thank you and the whole community for this. I feel this distribution is crucial to the future of freedom of choice in Linux. Agreed, I couldn't have said it better myself. There are of course other sans-systemd distros, but IMHO this one has the potential to have t

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-11-30 Thread Emiliano Marini
Of course: https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/homeç ;) On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: > Quoting Clarke Sideroad : > > Thank you and the whole community for this. >> I feel this distribution is crucial to the future of freedom of choice >> in Li

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-11-30 Thread Emiliano Marini
Sorry: https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/home On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Emiliano Marini < emilianomarin...@gmail.com> wrote: > Of course: > > https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/homeç > > ;) > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Dan

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-11-29 Thread Clarke Sideroad
Thank you and the whole community for this. I feel this distribution is crucial to the future of freedom of choice in Linux. There are of course other sans-systemd distros, but IMHO this one has the potential to have the greatest, most widespread impact in the battle to maintain Linux freedom. I'

Re: [DNG] Devuan docker base image

2016-11-29 Thread Ozi Traveller
Ok thanks Jaromil. I can make my own. Ozi On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Jaromil wrote: > On Tue, 29 Nov 2016, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > > On 2016-11-29 15:00, Ozi Traveller wrote: > > >Do we have an official Devuan docker base image? > > > > I would say unlikely since jaromil posted this

[DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-11-29 Thread Veteran Unix Admins
Dear Init Freedom Lovers, Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! After some important fixes and updates, we continue down our path of providing Debian without systemd by announcing the release of Devuan Jessie Beta2. This interim Beta2 release is another milestone as Devuan continues tow

Re: [DNG] Devuan docker base image

2016-11-29 Thread Jaromil
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2016-11-29 15:00, Ozi Traveller wrote: > >Do we have an official Devuan docker base image? > > I would say unlikely since jaromil posted this on #devuan earlier today: > > don't use docker? > agree, trash docker, use LXC directly this is just

Re: [DNG] Devuan docker base image

2016-11-29 Thread golinux
On 2016-11-29 15:00, Ozi Traveller wrote: Hi Do we have an official Devuan docker base image? Ozi ___ I would say unlikely since jaromil posted this on #devuan earlier today: don't use docker? agree, trash docker, use LXC directly golinux ___

[DNG] Devuan docker base image

2016-11-29 Thread Ozi Traveller
Hi Do we have an official Devuan docker base image? Ozi ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] devuan on RPi2

2016-11-28 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Adding a note on the beta2 image: # apt get install xorg terminator xdm fvwm .. this crashes the RPi. After fixing the filesystem and running "dpkg --configure -a" I found that systemd was running. Why the hell ?!? Upgrading from raspbian wheezy to devuan jessie + angband.pl and installing the

Re: [DNG] devuan on RPi2

2016-11-28 Thread Jaromil
dear Nikolaus, On Mon, 28 Nov 2016, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Hi all! This weekend I tried to get devuan working on RPi 2. I used > this image: > https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_armhf_raspi2.img.xz whenever you have time, can you please test this new im

[DNG] devuan on RPi2

2016-11-28 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Hi all! This weekend I tried to get devuan working on RPi 2. I used this image: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_armhf_raspi2.img.xz The RPi boots fine, but it crashes reliably while installing xorg + terminator. "crashing" means, the kernel thinks the sd-ca

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

2016-11-24 Thread golinux
On 2016-11-23 05:06, hellekin wrote: I feel like every time I'm trying to touch something, nobody cares, or resist for some obscure reason. In these conditions, I'm very much doubting my own capacity to bring anything worth to this community. I'd like that it's made clear, so I can better or

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

2016-11-24 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 12:06:34PM +0100, hellekin wrote: > > Come on, it's a linear discussion, much like email. Moreover nobody > gave it a chance to work all the way from conversation to discussion to > wiki to static page with comments looping back to conversation. > Resistance has spoken. T

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

2016-11-23 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 23/11/2016 at 12:06, hellekin wrote: [...] > I feel like every time I'm trying to touch something, nobody cares, or > resist for some obscure reason. In these conditions, I'm very much > doubting my own capacity to bring anything worth to this community. I'd > like that it's made clear, so I

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

2016-11-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:06:34 +0100 hellekin wrote: > On 11/09/2016 11:05 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > The final documentation should be done on something more permanent, > > based on the back-and forth in email. The talk.devuan.org would be a > > great place to put the finished docs. My problem

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

2016-11-23 Thread Miroslav Rovis
On 161123-13:15+0100, hellekin wrote: > On 11/23/2016 01:12 PM, Simon Hobson wrote: > > hellekin wrote: > > > >> ... nobody cares > > > > As someone who is not really in a position to contribute much at all, let > > me say that I'm grateful to all who are working towards making Devuan > > "hap

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

2016-11-23 Thread hellekin
On 11/23/2016 01:12 PM, Simon Hobson wrote: > hellekin wrote: > >> ... nobody cares > > As someone who is not really in a position to contribute much at all, let me > say that I'm grateful to all who are working towards making Devuan "happen" - > regardless of the size of their contribution. >

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

2016-11-23 Thread Simon Hobson
hellekin wrote: > ... nobody cares As someone who is not really in a position to contribute much at all, let me say that I'm grateful to all who are working towards making Devuan "happen" - regardless of the size of their contribution. I watch (or at least, skim) most of the discussions, mostl

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

2016-11-23 Thread hellekin
On 11/09/2016 11:05 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > The final documentation should be done on something more permanent, > based on the back-and forth in email. The talk.devuan.org would be a > great place to put the finished docs. My problem with talk.devuan.org > is when I used it for brainstorming. I

[DNG] Devuan stickers now on sale!

2016-11-15 Thread hellekin
Our friends at UnixStickers put out Devuan stickers \o/ 10% of the sales go to the Devuan project, so it's a great way to show your support. Single copies are $2.69, down to $1.79 per 10 or more. They come in two colors: Black on white for clear surfaces: http://www.unixstickers.com/stickers/li

[DNG] Devuan KVM guest install using ISO, virt-install and text based installation

2016-11-12 Thread Miroslav Rovis
The email tp which I reply is itself a reply to this email of mine: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20161110.172443.c36c6124.en.html so I'll fake the In-Reply-To header to get it to appear in this thread: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/thread/20161110.172443.c36c6124.en.html#20161110.172443.c3

Re: [DNG] Devuan KVM guest install using ISO, virt-install and text based installation

2016-11-10 Thread Miroslav Rovis
Hi Andrew! Thanks for replying. However, my attempts got bogged down at: virt-install playing poorly with grsecurity-hardened https://forums.grsecurity.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4609 (maybe some of grsecurity users among you Devuan can tell why such poor play of virt=install with a (heavily) grse

Re: [DNG] Devuan KVM guest install using ISO, virt-install and text based installation

2016-11-09 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, On 10/11/16 01:55, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > On 161109-14:31+0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote: >> Hi! >> >> I'll be looking into this tutorial, if... (see below) : ;-) >> On 161107-02:08+1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > ... >> If this: >>> Once the install was done, I dumped the xml, edited it, undef

Re: [DNG] Devuan KVM guest install using ISO, virt-install and text based installation

2016-11-09 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Okay, doing a reply all to make sure that Miroslav gets this okay On 10/11/16 00:31, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > ... > I said would [be looking into this tutorial, if...]. > If this: >> Once the install was done, I dumped the xml, edited it, undefined the >> guest and then re-created it from the a

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

2016-11-09 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 09 Nov 2016 11:55:35 -0600 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2016-11-08 13:55, Jaromil wrote: > > > > I also very much appreciate the talk.devuan.org documentation > > platform and it is true that's better communicated as such, rather > > than a forum > > Agreed. This is a much better descr

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